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znModeratorman. if the rams have a knack for finding wrs in the lower rounds (see kupp and nacua). and defensive backs… well that’s a good knack to have. hahahaha.
Actually if you list all the great Rams receivers from 1970s on, only 1 was a 1st rounder (Holt). Ellard and Bruce were 2nd rounders, as was Anderson. Harold Jackson was a 12th rounder.
In the deeper past, a couple of great Rams WRs were 1st rounders: Hirsch and Snow.
znModeratorInside the demise of Chargers’ Brandon Staley: ‘Too smart for his own good’
Daniel Popper
https://theathletic.com/5141270/2023/12/15/brandon-staley-chargers-demise/
The beginning of the end for Brandon Staley came at a news conference in Wisconsin.
It was Nov. 19. The Los Angeles Chargers had just lost to the Green Bay Packers, 23-20, to fall to 4-6. A season with the highest of stakes was slipping through Staley’s fingers, and the Chargers coach could not hide the emotion of the moment.
His defense had imploded on the Packers’ game-winning touchdown drive. The Chargers committed a pass interference penalty on a third-and-20. Two plays later, two defenders collided, leading to a missed tackle on a 35-yard catch-and-run. Two plays after that, the defense failed to line up quickly enough pre-snap, and a blown coverage allowed receiver Romeo Doubs to run free for the go-ahead 24-yard touchdown.
At the lectern after the loss, Staley reiterated that he had “full confidence” in himself as the defensive play caller. The Chargers had given up the most passing yards in the league through 11 weeks. When asked about the apparent disconnect between his confidence and the product on the field, Staley said the quiet part out loud: “I know we give ourselves a chance to win every single week with the game plans that we have.”
The Chargers fired Staley on Friday morning, less than a month after he uttered these words. The team also fired general manager Tom Telesco, who was in his 11th season. Giff Smith takes over as interim coach. JoJo Wooden is the interim general manager. This amounts to a full-blown organizational reset. “We are clearly not where we expect to be,” owner Dean Spanos said in a statement, “and we need new vision.”
In the end, Staley’s greatest strength — an unwavering belief in himself — became his downfall. The news conference moment in Green Bay revealed this for the world to see. In the same answer, without another question being asked, Staley said he was “fully responsible” for the defensive performance. His true feelings, though, were rooted in his initial statement: The plan was good enough; the execution was not.
There is a fine line between conviction and arrogance, between confidence and hubris. At times, Staley toed that line with an admirable deftness. Too often, however, he crossed it, both publicly and privately.
“He’s a good, smart f—ing coach,” a team source said of Staley. “Too smart for his own good sometimes.” This was a sentiment shared by multiple team sources throughout Staley’s three seasons as head coach. Each was granted anonymity so that they could speak freely.
On the broadest of levels, ownership’s decision to fire Staley and Telesco came down to a clear case of missed expectations. There was no ambiguity in the organizational goals for this season. Push for the franchise’s first AFC West title since 2009. Make the playoffs. Win a playoff game. Contend for a Super Bowl.
The Chargers, from the Spanos family to Telesco to Staley, believed they had a championship-caliber team. It is why they restructured four contracts in the offseason — Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Mike Williams and Keenan Allen — pushing almost $40 million in cap charges into 2024. They felt like 2022 had been derailed by injuries. They wanted one more shot with their existing nucleus.
It was a gross miscalculation — of the roster and of Staley. The Chargers have not come close to reaching any of their goals.
They are 5-9.
Staley’s defense ranked 29th in EPA per drive this season, according to TruMedia. They ranked 31st in EPA per drive over his entire stint as head coach and defensive play caller.
Staley drove the decision to fire offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi in January and replace him with Kellen Moore. Through 13 weeks, before quarterback Justin Herbert’s season-ending finger injury, the Chargers offense ranked 18th in success rate, according to TruMedia. Moore was supposed to fix the run game. The Chargers rank 30th in rushing success rate.
Nothing has gone according to plan for the Chargers this season. Some of it was predictable. Some of it was unforeseen.
Cornerback J.C. Jackson, whom the Chargers signed to a five-year, $82.5 million contract in the 2022 offseason, made a remarkable comeback from a ruptured patellar tendon. He rehabbed quickly enough to be back on the field for training camp and the season opener. Physically, he was ready to contribute. Mentally, he was not committed in meetings and his day-to-day preparation, team sources said. The Chargers made Jackson a healthy scratch in Week 3 as an attempted wake-up call. The next week, team sources said, Jackson refused to enter the game against the Las Vegas Raiders when Michael Davis suffered an injury. The Chargers traded Jackson to the New England Patriots three days later for a late-round pick swap.
They will wear a $20.83 million dead-money charge for Jackson on the 2024 cap, according to Over the Cap.
The Chargers whiffed on their character evaluation of Jackson. Staley and Telesco both bear the blame.
Then there are the mitigating factors. Center Corey Linsley has not played since Week 3 because of a heart-related medical issue. He is expected to miss the remainder of the season. Williams suffered a torn ACL in Week 3 and is out for the season. Receiver Joshua Palmer missed six games with a knee sprain. Herbert broke his left middle finger in Week 4 trying to make a tackle after an interception. That injury affected his play.
And yet as left tackle Rashawn Slater said Thursday night, “This is the f—ing NFL. People get hurt. S— happens.”
The painful truth: The Chargers had their chance to make a deep postseason run in 2022. They battled through an injury-riddled season before rattling off four straight wins in December and January to make the playoffs. As the Chargers prepared to kick off their Week 18 matchup at the Denver Broncos, they had already locked in fifth place in the AFC. The result of the game did not matter for seeding. Staley, though, played his starters into the third quarter of the meaningless game. Williams suffered a back injury in the second quarter. He missed the collapse in Jacksonville, when the Chargers’ season ended after they blew a 27-point lead to the Jaguars.
This decision was the clear line of demarcation in Staley’s Chargers tenure. Williams could have been the difference in the second half of the playoff loss, when the offense was struggling to move the ball. Staley ultimately acknowledged he played his starters to try to maintain momentum and rhythm. He likened his decision to Tom Coughlin’s playing his New York Giants starters in the regular-season finale in 2007 against the then-undefeated Patriots. The Giants lost that game but went on to win the title, beating New England in the Super Bowl.
Still, this choice from Staley befuddled many in the organization, from the top down.
The Chargers never truly recovered from that entire week — the Williams injury, the second-half meltdown in Jacksonville, all of it.
Five of the Chargers’ first six losses in 2023 were by 3 points or less. Their failure in late-game situations, offensively and defensively, became a defining characteristic of this version of the team.
“We have to look at ourselves in the mirror and be real with ourselves,” defensive lineman Sebastian Joseph-Day said.
Staley was hired to produce an elite defense. He had done so in his lone season as an NFL coordinator, with the Los Angeles Rams in 2020. He failed to come close to that with the Chargers in three seasons.
Staley is a brilliant schematic coach. He can develop a game plan on the whiteboard capable of stopping any offense. The only problem is the game is not played on a whiteboard. There were weeks when this brilliance shone through, like in a win over the Miami Dolphins in Week 14 last season. But more often, the scheme and plans were too layered and complex for the players to grasp and execute consistently. Players detailed how Staley and his defensive staff would try to build in answers and rules for every minute facet of opposing offenses — every route, every motion. At times, players said, this bogged down the unit as a whole.
They were overthinking, and they could not play fast as a result. That showed up in some noteworthy losses this season — Miami in Week 1, Kansas City in Week 7, Detroit in Week 10.
Staley’s inexperience was exposed in this stubborn commitment to a defensive vision that simply was not working. There was a disconnect between how some players wanted to play and how Staley wanted to play.
Telesco’s demise, meanwhile, was a gradual culmination over 11 years. He produced just two playoff wins, and one of those came in 2013, his first year on the job.
Telesco was a decent drafter: Allen, Bosa, Hunter Henry, Williams, Desmond King, Derwin James Jr., Uchenna Nwosu, Justin Jones, Drue Tranquill, Alohi Gilman, Slater, Asante Samuel Jr., Palmer, Tuli Tuipilotu. And, of course, Herbert. He also had his blemishes: Jerry Tillery, Quentin Johnston, Tre’ McKitty, Kenneth Murray Jr., Nasir Adderley, Forrest Lamp, Dan Feeney, D.J. Fluker.
He had his free-agency wins, like Casey Hayward. And he had plenty of losses, like Jackson and Bryan Bulaga.
On the aggregate, Telesco has a solid eye for talent. But he failed in two primary areas: Building a consistent offensive line and developing depth from spots 23 to 53 on the roster. Telesco inherited Philip Rivers. He acquired Herbert. He certainly did not prioritize protecting Rivers. With Herbert, Staley urged the organization to invest in the trenches when he was hired in 2021. The Chargers signed Linsley and guard Matt Feiler in free agency that year and drafted Slater and Zion Johnson in the first round in back-to-back years in 2021 and 2022. The offensive line, however, was never the strength of this roster over Telesco’s 11 seasons.
For this season in particular, the Chargers desperately needed a functional run-blocking tight end. Despite a loaded draft class, the Chargers did not add a tight end to their room. It has dramatically affected their rushing offense. McKitty was supposed to be that player, but the Chargers cut the 2021 third-round pick on Halloween of this year.
“Building and maintaining a championship-caliber program remains our ultimate goal,” Spanos said. “And reimagining how we achieve that goal begins today.”
The Chargers overestimated what they had this season, and it all went up in flames Thursday night in Las Vegas.
It was not every player, but there was a clear, discernible lack of effort as the Chargers wilted against the Raiders.
The locker room Staley and Telesco had built was fractured.
And together, they paid the price.
znModeratorThere was no bigger steal in the NFL draft this year than Puka Nacua. As a fifth-round pick, he’s already turned in an 1,100-yard season and still has four games remaining, putting him in striking distance of the single-season rookie receiving record.
The Rams selected him with the third of their three fifth-round picks, the final selection in Round 5 at No. 177 overall. Though they clearly liked Nacua more than the other 31 teams, they very easily could’ve missed out on the rookie sensation.
Needless to say, Sean McVay wouldn’t have been a very happy camper if that happened. He joked on Friday that he might’ve choked out Les Snead if the Rams didn’t draft Nacua when they had.
“When it was getting down to it, I might’ve choked Les out if we had missed out on Puka when we were waiting so long to be able to take him,” McVay said with a smile. “But he’s a stud and we’re really grateful to have him.”
Nacua was injured often in college, which McVay admits was “maybe a reason he was available when he was” in the fifth round. Had Nacua put together a healthy career in college, he might’ve gone much sooner because there was a lot to like about his game.
“The toughness, the aggressive hands, just the competitor,” McVay said. “And you could see with a lot of the different things he was asked to do, the football acumen and IQ, you had to guess was really high before you even talked to him based on the versatility of his game.”
znModeratorAdam Schefter@AdamSchefterRams’ WR Tutu Atwell, listed as questionable for Sunday due to a concussion, is unlikely to play vs. the Commanders, per source.
znModeratorroberto clemente@rclemente2121
under mcvay the rams are:47-7 when rams qb is sacked once or less
29.1 offensive pts per game
108 pass tds, 35 int
103.0 qb rating26-41 when rams qb is sacked 2+ times
19.8 offensive pts per game
83 pass tds, 63 int
83.2 qb ratingsince stafford arrived the rams are:
17-2 when stafford is sacked once or less
28.0 offensive pts per game
39 pass tds, 15 int
102.3 qb rating8-15 when stafford is sacked 2+ times
20.3 offensive pts per game
40 pass tds, 23 int
89.6 qb rating
znModeratorJared Goff's first 5-TD game since 2018!
📺: #DENvsDET on @NFLNetwork
📱: Stream on #NFLPlus https://t.co/vtmfEKvOLy pic.twitter.com/R3srOrkaHw— NFL (@NFL) December 17, 2023
znModeratorThe Rams should put up over 30 points, and the Redskins shouldn’t score over 20. But, you know, football.
I don’t know, man. What is the Rams historical record against teams named after a military rank?
Tone deaf choice of replacement names from Washington ownership. Someone in that organization must have read Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale, or have seen the Hulu adaptation. Rams 30 Gilead 17
The name that was bandied about that I liked best was ‘Red Tails’ – the name of a squadron of P51 Mustangs flown by the Tuskegee airmen.
I like the Rams. A simple, forceful name derived from military history, referring to a siege weapon used to assault fortifications, a fitting description of a football team.
Sometimes, as shown in the pic, rams would be carved with the images of goat’s heads.

znModerator3 games today, and 4 of the 6 teams played without their starting qb.…Steve Wyche@wyche89Why, in this era of QB whisperers, are so many backup QBs not being whispered to?.Ross Tucker@RossTuckerNFL2023: The year everyone who didn’t already know it realized just how important your team’s backup QBs are..Dave Dameshek@Dameshekthey’d almost certainly have won a game (or two? three?) more w Pickett in there…but it’s hard to shrug off w Jake Browning, Bailey Zappe & Joe Flacco doing what they’ve done lately. Feels like the issue is more systematic (& it seems like the team’s just plain quit)..NFL Network@nflnetworkMinshew’s efficiency keeps the @Colts in the AFC playoff race
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilvaMatt Gay is now 2-for-5 on FGs and 3-for-4 on PATs the last two weeks
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilvaMatt Gay is now 2-for-5 on FGs and 3-for-4 on PATs the last two weeks
znModeratorTexans to start veteran QB Case Keenum against Titans on Sunday, per @JamesPalmerTV https://t.co/wEt0txP7it pic.twitter.com/X5AtVktXaP
— Around The NFL (@AroundTheNFL) December 17, 2023
znModeratorThe Steelers have had a lot of embarrassing moments this month. This loss to the Colts, and how it unfolded in losing to an Indy offense that was basically a preseason lineup, shows how little fight they have left to save their season. https://t.co/3enWKuvyJ7
— Frank Schwab (@YahooSchwab) December 17, 2023
znModeratorWell done, Cincinnati.
So Jake Browning out duels Nick Mullens for the 27-24 win. As was written in the prophecies.
The key thing here is that both Green Bay and Minnesota have 1-game losing streaks, and are trending in the right direction.
Yep. (My snark about Mullens and Browning was not aimed at your comment, it was just a snide reference to the unbelievable level of qb injuries this year. Sry, that wasn’t clear. I was thinking along the lines of comments like this, from twitter:
Ross Tucker@RossTuckerNFL2023: The year everyone who didn’t already know it realized just how important your team’s backup QBs are.)Anyway. Back to different snark.
GB and Minn losing puts the Rams in a good position, which just once again goes to show–the Rams just absolutely cluelessly suck at tanking. They do not have the first clue how to tank.
Next thing you know they will not only be in the playoffs but on a super bowl run.
The very OPPOSITE of tanking.
Say goodbye to all those great high draft picks–which they could have used to help them build a playoff team.
znModeratorWell done, Cincinnati.
So Jake Browning out duels Nick Mullens for the 27-24 win.
As was written in the prophecies.
December 16, 2023 at 9:40 am in reply to: mass shootings & guns … including Trump getting shot at #147556
znModeratorWow.
This ad is excellent. Watch this.
— Angry Staffer 🌻 (@Angry_Staffer) December 15, 2023
December 16, 2023 at 1:05 am in reply to: praise for Stafford after TNF (definitive article posted 1/9) #147555
znModeratorNFL Rumors@nflrumsLos Angeles Rams Matthew Stafford NFL Stats in his last 3 games:• 63.1 Comp %• 802 Passing yards• 10 TD 1 INT• 111.0 Passer rating
znModeratorRams Week 15 rooting guide: 4 games that can impact LA's playoff hopes https://t.co/akuZFhrXX5 pic.twitter.com/FxLRgfN1DW
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) December 15, 2023
znModeratorThey discuss the Rams starting at 2:04 in.
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znModeratorroberto clemente@rclemente2121
the rams are currently -6.5 vegas home favorites vs washington.since mcvay has been hc, the rams are 19-5 when -6.5 or greater home faves, and 7-1 since stafford has been in horns.
December 15, 2023 at 3:09 am in reply to: plays, highlights, etc … visuals from the Ravens game #147538
znModeratorI think Stafford's throwing style might be best described as "Lucha libre" pic.twitter.com/XRj1vzDgpV
— Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) December 14, 2023
December 15, 2023 at 2:55 am in reply to: Rams on the radar this year who weren’t before the season #147537
znModeratorOnly 3 of these guys would have been on this list before the season (Stafford, Donald, Jones).
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8 Rams who are playing like Pro Bowlers in 2023
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Matthew StaffordWhen healthy, Stafford is one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the league. We’re seeing that this season with Stafford putting together an impressive campaign despite battling through hip and thumb injuries that clearly hindered him for several weeks.
Stafford ranks fifth in the NFL in big-time throws, according to Pro Football Focus, and his nine turnover-worthy plays are the fourth-fewest at the position. His passing grade of 80.3 is the ninth-best among all quarterbacks and he’s doing it with a young supporting cast that’s not exactly littered with stars.
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Puka NacuaNacua was already in the top 10 of wide receiver vote-getters after the first round of voting, but he deserves to be selected for the Pro Bowl as a rookie this season. He has the 10th-most receptions among all wideouts, fifth-most yards and the 10th-most targets. And like Stafford, that’s despite playing through countless nicks, bumps and bruises all season.
Nacua has already cemented himself as one of the best young receivers in football and is unquestionably the top performer at the position from his 2023 draft class.
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Kyren WilliamsOnly one player in the NFL is averaging more rushing yards per game than Williams this season, and that’s Christian McCaffrey. If McCaffrey is a lock for the Pro Bowl with his 90.5 rushing yards per game, why shouldn’t Williams be with his 89-yard average? Williams is scoring a bunch of touchdowns like McCaffrey, too, finding the end zone 10 times in just nine games.
Had Williams not gotten hurt and missed four games, he might just be the league’s leading rusher. He has four games with 100-plus rushing yards, six games with 100-plus yards from scrimmage and four games with two touchdowns. He deserves to be a Pro Bowler in a year where there’s no elite class of running backs outside of McCaffrey.
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Kevin DotsonDotson’s Pro Football Focus grade dropped off a little bit after putting together two subpar performances in a row the last two weeks, but he’s still the 11th-highest-graded lineman in football and the third-best guard. He’s only allowed 16 total pressures at right guard and has been called for only two penalties. His addition to the offensive line has done wonders for the Rams’ unit up front and he should absolutely be getting attention as a potential Pro Bowler.
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Aaron DonaldIs there really any surprise that Donald is playing like a Pro Bowler again this year? He has 70 total pressures, which are the most of any interior defender and fifth overall. He might “only” have six sacks, but that’s largely because A) he’s getting doubled and tripled more than most players and B) teams are getting the ball out quickly to avoid Donald.
If Donald isn’t a Pro Bowler, it would be a massive letdown and a failure on the part of voters because there aren’t many defensive tackles playing better than him right now, if any at all.
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Kobie TurnerLet’s preface this by saying Turner isn’t going to make the Pro Bowl. No matter how well he’s played, he’s simply not a big enough name to generate buzz from non-Rams fans, and he plays a position that doesn’t get much love to begin with. However, that doesn’t mean he isn’t playing like a Pro Bowler.
He has the 21st-best PFF grade among all defensive tackles, his 28 total pressures are the third-most among rookies at his position and his seven sacks are not only tied for the most of any rookie, but his seven credited sacks by Pro Football Focus are sixth among all defensive tackles. Again, he’s not going to make it, but Turner is shining for the Rams.
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Ernest JonesThere are few linebackers in the NFL with the all-around skill set that Jones has. He leads all inside linebackers with 23 total pressures this season, while his run defense grade of 82.0 ranks 10th at his position. He’s had some lapses in coverage, resulting in his 59.5 coverage grade from PFF, but he’s a do-it-all player for Los Angeles who’s playing at a very high level.
It’s hard to make the Pro Bowl as a linebacker with players such as Fred Warner, Demario Davis and Bobby Wagner all in the NFC, but Jones is playing really well for Los Angeles and deserves Pro Bowl recognition.
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Ahkello WitherspoonWitherspoon was brought in this offseason to compete for a roster spot, and what the Rams got was a high-caliber starting cornerback who’s played just about every snap. He has three interceptions on the year and is allowing a completion rate of only 46.7 (3rd among CBs), giving up a passer rating of only 64.1 when targeted, the seventh-lowest at his position.
Witherspoon will need to make more big plays down the stretch if he’s going to have any shot at making the Pro Bowl, but he’s been a stud for the Rams all season, aside from a couple of poor performances against the Seahawks and Steelers.
znModeratorThe Rams should put up over 30 points, and the Redskins shouldn’t score over 20. But, you know, football.
I don’t know, man. What is the Rams historical record against teams named after a military rank?
znModeratorWe have 2 threads on this! I am closing this one and sending people to the other, which is here: Wild Card race
December 14, 2023 at 5:12 pm in reply to: plays, highlights, etc … visuals from the Ravens game #147527
znModeratorRemember when Matthew Stafford was washed and gonna retire?
Nice job avoiding pressure and finding Demarcus Robinson in the end zone. pic.twitter.com/GJx8cjXQNg
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) December 14, 2023
znModerator“It still shocks me to see some of the throws he makes. Glad he’s on our side” — the greatest defensive lineman ever on Matthew Stafford pic.twitter.com/dedjN2VVRt
— Rams Brothers (@RamsBrothers) December 14, 2023
December 14, 2023 at 5:08 pm in reply to: plays, highlights, etc … visuals from the Ravens game #147525
znModeratorThe sack numbers aren't there for Aaron Donald, but he's just as good as ever for the Rams defense.
At one point, three different players are blocking him and he's still 5-7 yards in the backfield and almost gets through. pic.twitter.com/bguCsnQgNT
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) December 14, 2023
December 14, 2023 at 5:07 pm in reply to: plays, highlights, etc … visuals from the Ravens game #147524
znModeratorLove the 'bearhug' blocking technique here from the Ravens.
If the double team isn't working on Aaron Donald. You might as well just grab on to him like a Teddy Bear and hope for the best. pic.twitter.com/YRrgcTNyI6
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) December 14, 2023
znModeratorThe most impressive thing @AndrewWhitworth saw in the NFL? Sean McVay's first OTAs as a head coach where he only taught character. Great insight on McVay's success. "A lot of teams that suck right now it's because their head coaches are scared to challenge their players as men." pic.twitter.com/0fP0pGw5Pa
— Kevin Clark (@bykevinclark) December 13, 2023
December 14, 2023 at 2:15 am in reply to: plays, highlights, etc … visuals from the Ravens game #147518
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znModeratorMost passes defended this season:
Charvarius Ward – 20
Darious Williams – 19
Devon Witherspoon – 16
Darius Slay – 15
Benjamin St-Juste – 15
Paulson Adebo – 14
DaRon Bland – 14 pic.twitter.com/Ep7xFuy68g— NFL Stats (@NFL_Stats) December 13, 2023
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