Kobie Turner

Enh.  I’ve seen all this too many times now.   Somebody doing really well on a line with Aaron Donald.

I dunno how good Turner really is.

He’s certainly played well, and he’s ‘solid’ and he was a great draft pick.   But more than that, I dunno.

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wv wrote:

Enh. I’ve seen all this too many times now. Somebody doing really well on a line with Aaron Donald. I dunno how good Turner really is. He’s certainly played well, and he’s ‘solid’ and he was a great draft pick. But more than that, I dunno. w v

This is undeniably true and it does make me wonder as well. However, there have been enough lineman who have not made had similar success while playing beside Donald. Suh for example had 4.5 sacks in 2018. I’m not sure how his role under  Wade Phillips compared to what Turner is doing for Morris though. Probably not fair to compare guys like Brockers, Robinson, Gaines and Joseph-Day as they are different body types and different players. No doubt Leonard Floyd and Donte Fowler benefited. Although Floyd is having a decent season in Buffalo this year.  Turner may not show as well once Donald retires, but I am thrilled with how well he has played as a rookie.

wv wrote:

Enh. I’ve seen all this too many times now. Somebody doing really well on a line with Aaron Donald. I dunno how good Turner really is. He’s certainly played well, and he’s ‘solid’ and he was a great draft pick. But more than that, I dunno. w v

Agreed.

Turner has 1 more sack than Donald but 8 fewer QB hits and a lot fewer QB hurries.

This might suggest that Turner isn’t great at producing consistent pressure on his own, but instead is taking advantage of the attention Donald receives.

That’s not necessarily a rip on Turner. As already pointed out there have been plenty of guys who have lined up beside Donald and not performed as well as he has.

But I’m not ready to say he’s anything more than a solid player yet either.

also. donald his rookie year played next to quinn and long. the same quinn who had 19 sacks the year before. and long who had two consecutive seasons of double digit sacks before donald came on board. again. i’m not trying to compare turner to prime donald. just rookie donald.

but yeah. you have to wonder how much of it is playing next to a guy who is in the legit conversation of greatest defensive player ever.

a correction. long only had 8.5 sacks the year before. and 24.5 total sacks the two years before that. and he was injured most for a lot of the 2014 season which was donald’s rookie year. but quinn has 10.5 sacks in 2014. to go along with 20 qb hits.

aaron donald in 2014. 38 solo tackles 9 sacks. 18 tfl. 13 qb hits. played next to quinn who was coming off what was at the time a historic season.

kobie turner. 29 solo tackles 9 sacks. 8 tfl. 15 qb hits.  playing next to a lawrence taylor level hof player.

again not trying to say he’s the next aaron donald. but i think he should be considered a contender for droy. i don’t know that he should actually win it. but he should be in the convo.

https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1069285

in this thread from the herd. don’t know how to upload just the pics here. but there’s two instances of turner getting double teamed while ad is getting single teamed. these are just two isolated instances. but i’m wondering if defenses are having to account for turner more. it’d be interesting to know.

just going along with wv’s question about how offensive coordinators view turner when they look at game film.

whatever the case he’s only 24. so i’m hoping there’s still a lot of potential left in him. not just so he can realize his potential. but also so that he hopefully can take some pressure off donald as he is starting to enter his post-prime years.

it’s also why i think they need to make a blue chip signing on defense. they can’t continue to expect donald to be prime donald. he needs help.

Please tell me how his numbers are so crazy ?

Kobie Turner has more sacks, more total pressures, more run stops, and more TFLs than Jalen Carter btw pic.twitter.com/VTR1rW0XB5

— Brandon (@BrandonJBranden) January 3, 2024

i have no way of verifying if this is true, but turner’s double team rate is higher than aaron donald’s??? one thing i can verify is eight of turner’s sacks have come in the last eight games. wow.

Kobie Turner moved into the top-20 in pass-rush win-rate this week.

Turner's 11% PRWR ranks 17th.

Also worth-noting, Turner has a double-team rate of 71%. Jalen Carter's double-team rate is just 59%. Turner also has a higher double-team rate than Aaron Donald (63%).

— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) January 2, 2024

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