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znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
More from Sean McVay on Matthew Stafford’s injury, including how/when it occurred. Rams will look into adding to room quickly, McVay also indicated. No concern about previously repaired thumb injury but there is scar tissue and enough swelling to be concerned about gripping ball.
znModeratorfrom https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/30/rams-matthew-stafford-injury-tendon-update-week-8/
Adam Schefter said on ESPN’s “NFL Live” this afternoon that Stafford has a tendon issue in his right thumb and the Rams will need a few days to determine his exact availability and status moving forward.
“Matthew Stafford is dealing with a tendon issue in his right thumb that the Rams believe will take a couple of days to figure out whether or not he can come back,” Schefter said.
Schefter didn’t rule out the possibility of Stafford playing on Sunday against the Packers, saying “we’ll see” if he can go in that game.
With the Rams having a bye in Week 10, it’s possible they’ll give Stafford this week off to heal and hope he can return in Week 11 when the Rams host the Seahawks.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Matthew Stafford has a UCL sprain and is day to day, per Sean McVay.
UCL 👇🏼👍🏼 pic.twitter.com/1kM2DyRav6
— RAMZILLA (@elitster) October 30, 2023
znModeratorGreg Beacham@gregbeachamStetson Bennett is “doing well,” but Sean McVay says it’s more likely than not that Bennett will not be back with the Rams this season.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueMatthew Stafford has a UCL sprain and is day to day, per Sean McVay..HoldenCantor@HoldenCantorX-Rays on Staffords thumb were negative, no breakOctober 30, 2023 at 5:36 pm in reply to: Dallas game: analysts, twitter, some plays, + the big articles #146538
znModeratorRodrigue: Multiple disasters sink Rams at Dallas and foreshadow ominous future
Jourdan Rodrigue
ARLINGTON, Texas — Sunday’s Los Angeles Rams were a portrait of pure disaster, the kind of disaster that lingers in the air long after the moment passes like a too-heavy breaking of wind.
They were embarrassed by the Dallas Cowboys 43-20. Their quarterback, Matthew Stafford, hurt his thumb in the third quarter — the exact time stamp depends on whom you ask, although coach Sean McVay said the injury occurred on a diving two-point conversion catch off a trick play (the first drive of the third quarter) — and Stafford’s status for the weeks ahead is unknown. The Rams head to Green Bay next week and then have a bye.
“I don’t have any more information on Matthew,” said McVay, who in his postgame comments indicated Stafford had received an initial evaluation from team medical personnel but declined to share what they said and indicated Stafford will undergo further testing. “I don’t want to speculate until I have full clarification from the doctors.”
McVay acknowledged Stafford had banged his thumb on a throw earlier in the game, but reiterated, “It looked like he did (hit it) when he was finishing a throw, that wasn’t the injury that limited him. … Unfortunately, it looked like that injury occurred, that kept him out for the rest of the game, it did occur when he ended up catching the two-point attempt.”
Backup quarterback Brett Rypien said he was alerted he was going into the game after the first drive of the second half, and that Stafford had “reaggravated the thumb.”
Things weren’t going well even when Stafford was in the game, though. In a truly mad three-minute sequence, between 45 seconds remaining in the first quarter and 12:50 remaining in the second quarter, events unfolded as such:
• Stafford threw a pick six. Receiver Cooper Kupp — who has “options” on his routes depending on how the defender plays him — broke outward on the play, and Stafford threw inside and right to cornerback DaRon Bland.
“On the interception, we ended up recognizing that they were in a pressure situation,” McVay said, “we had a miscommunication between Matthew and Cooper there, in regards to a route concept that has been one we’ve activated and had a lot of success with (in the past).”
Score, 17-3.
• Rookie Ethan Evans’ punt protection broke down and his leg swing was slow. His punt got blocked, and the ball dribbled through the back of the end zone for a safety.
“I take full responsibility for that as well,” Evans said. “Just wasn’t my best day playing. I gotta do better for my teammates. That’s about all I have to say about it.”
Score, 19-3.
• The Rams allowed a 63-yard kickoff return, to their 13-yard line. Dallas quarterback Dak Prescott threw a touchdown pass to receiver CeeDee Lamb two plays later.
Score, 26-3.
Lamb, by the way, chopped up the Rams. In the first half alone, he had nine catches for 122 yards and two touchdowns. On the second of the two scored, Lamb was so wide open in the end zone that I was looking around for penalties, someone tripping, a flag or something on the play. Astoundingly, inexcusably open. The Rams tried switching cornerbacks, for Cobie Durant to replace Derion Kendrick on the outside. Durant hurt his shoulder and left the game, and he did not return.
“Personally, I didn’t play good,” Kendrick said candidly after the game. “For myself, I gave up a touchdown. I gave up another big play at the end. I lost the ball in the lights. I didn’t play well on my end, but I’m going to come back next week, for sure.”
And yes, the Rams were again on the wrong end of a weird call. An illegal contact penalty against defensive back Quentin Lake gave Dallas a fresh set of downs on what otherwise would have been a third-down sack, and the second sack in three plays. Instead of a three-and-out, Dallas marched down the field for a game-opening touchdown.
That call is far from the reason the Rams lost — and frankly, is futile to argue. There is no fairness — players and coaches are not allowed to publicly complain about officiating, or else they are fined by the league even if the officiating is as poor as it was near the end of last Sunday’s loss to the Steelers. The organization is allowed to communicate with the league privately on this matter, though. That can be true. It’s also true the Rams are not playing good football, and that is why they are losing games.
For example, the Rams had not allowed that many points in a single half (33) since Nov. 4, 2018, against the New Orleans Saints. Sunday’s loss was the second worst of the McVay era, according to ESPN Stats and Info.
“It was a good, humbling day for us,” McVay said. “These adverse moments provide opportunities for us to be the men that we want to be and the people that we want to be.”
The person Rypien might be next is starting quarterback. Rypien finished Sunday’s game for the Rams and said if he is called upon to start in Green Bay, he will be ready.
The Rams, it should be noted, selected quarterback Stetson Bennett in the fourth round of this year’s draft intending to make him their long-term backup, but Bennett has been on the non-football illness list and away from the facility since the start of the regular season. McVay has declined to expand on Bennett’s status, because of the sensitive nature of the situation. If Stafford is out, and Bennett is not back in the team facilities this week, the Rams will have to make a move because they’ll only have one active quarterback.
Rypien had a little momentum building behind him early in the transition when he converted on a fourth-and-2 to rookie receiver Puka Nacua. Rypien had another fourth down a couple of plays later, but his pass to Kupp was incomplete.
But he and Kupp don’t get many reps together. The concept, in which Kupp has a lot of autonomy to run his route based on how the defender is playing him, failed when Rypien thought Kupp was doing one thing, and Kupp did another based on what he saw from the defender.
That prompts some thought about another problem that shouldn’t get lost in Sunday’s more pressing news: Kupp and Stafford haven’t seemed to have their typical connection even before Stafford’s injury. For the last two weeks, there have been drops and timing issues between the two, including Sunday’s interception. Kupp has been targeted 17 times over the last two games, for just six catches and 50 yards.
“What’s going through my mind after the last two games? I don’t know. Losing sucks,” Kupp said morosely after the game. “You put a lot of time working and don’t get the result you want, it’s not fun. There’s no easy answer. If there was an easy answer, obviously we would be doing it. So, just keep working … have solutions to things, make plays when you’re supposed to make them and do what you’re asked to do.”
I asked Kupp about the timing/option plays. Anybody who has been around this team for the last couple of years understands how odd it is when he and Stafford aren’t connecting, no matter what a defense is doing.
“I think there’s a lot of layers to it and everyone’s got a hand in it,” he said. “I certainly do. I can only control what I can control. I just need to look at the film and see how I can be better and in the right spots for those guys. There’s lots of layers to it. Obviously, it’s something we’ve been doing for a long time. It’s a lot of trust involved in it. We just weren’t on it today.”
Yes, the Rams have an injury problem with Stafford. They also have an offense that ranks No. 16 in scoring in weeks 2-8 (omitting their stellar season opener against the Seattle Seahawks) and is tied at No. 19 in second-half scoring with the 1-6 Carolina Panthers.
This, from a front office and coaching staff that openly — publicly! — committed to gutting its defense and special teams units in part to keep intact and even add to an offense that was supposed to lift the other phases, not get mired down along with them.
Worse, the Rams have been competitive in chances against the NFL’s elite teams this season — despite most on the outside believing they’d look, um, pretty much like this for all 17 games in 2023.
Sunday, as disaster after disaster struck, they only reeled.
znModeratorInteresting how many Rams that have been rightfully getting praise before this game suddenly tanked against Dallas…almost as if they were reading and believing their own press.
That includes
Witherspoon
Young
Dotson
Higbee
znModeratorRams Week 8 OL PFF Grades:
Alaric Jackson: 75.2 PBLK | 60.8 RBLK
Steve Avila: 34.2 | 57.6
Coleman Shelton: 43.7 | 74.8
Kevin Dotson: 62.3 | 66.3
Joe Noteboom: 44.1 | 38.115 pressures allowed.
— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) October 30, 2023
October 30, 2023 at 1:56 pm in reply to: Dallas game: analysts, twitter, some plays, + the big articles #146532
znModeratorA true battle of the greats!
Aaron Donald beats future Hall Of Fame Guard, Zack Martin for his 2nd sack of the day. pic.twitter.com/aWaKaEdmsl
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) October 30, 2023
znModeratorsuch as the time you referred to Kurt Warner as a poor man’s Matt Hasselbeck.
Don’t distort my words. I said “he wasn’t even a poor man’s Matt Hasselbeck.”
And also don’t question my loyalties. I know more about the Rams than anyone you can name. From legends like Deacon “The Refrigerator” Olsen to present greats like Kopper Coop, I know the Rams and Rams history inside and out.
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThe Rams are evaluating a range of potential scenarios with QB Matthew Stafford and his thumb injury, per source, and he’ll have further testing plus assessment on how he’s gripping the ball through the week. Chillier conditions in GB combined with a bye after are some details in.consideration for the short term, but Rams also are not ruling out injured reserve at this point as they are still gathering information that helps discern a larger timeline for Stafford.October 30, 2023 at 9:47 am in reply to: Dallas game: analysts, twitter, some plays, + the big articles #146522
znModeratorPuka running hard even when the play isn’t blocked up well pic.twitter.com/YUpoWzTUXs
— RAMZILLA (@elitster) October 30, 2023
znModeratorThe wheels have come off. Starting to look like another lost season especially if Stafford misses multiple games. On the bright side, the 49’ers have lost three straight. That’s something anyway.
With this difference. 2023 was never a goal in itself and wins this year were always going to be gravy. Next year they will have a more experienced secondary, LB corps, edge rushers, DL, OL, and offense generally. They will be able to self-scout weak points and areas which will have developed. They can add to that in a very informed way via both free agency and the draft, including a 1st round pick that will more than likely be higher than 20th.
Not long ago, some thought the Rams were deliberately tanking. Then, turns out they’re better than that. But then on the 2nd “turns out,” turns out not so much better that they can afford a young team’s mistakes against top teams.
Yet they can still win some. This year will not be a slaughter-fest like 2022.
Here’s the Rams new slogan–we’ll see in 23, and then get more in 24.
October 29, 2023 at 4:38 pm in reply to: Dallas game: analysts, twitter, some plays, + the big articles #146507
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothersPuka Nacua leads the NFL in drops. But he is the second highest targeted player as a damn rookie. His hands have time to get better, and they will..roberto clemente@rclemente2121you know it was a tough day at the office when your leading receiver was hendo: hendo – 3 catches, 54 yards higbee – 5 catches, 45 yards nacua – 3 catches, 43 yards kupp – 4 catches, 21 yards atwell – 2 catches, 21 yards skowronek – 1 catch, 20 yards.Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTnot how the Rams would have liked this one to go. Big questions about Stafford’s health going forward. Rams sit at 3-5. Same record through 8 games as last season. Today an example of this team not being good enough to overcome a series of mistakes. I still think they can win 9 games if Stafford is healthy. Can they get a win at GB before the byeOctober 29, 2023 at 4:24 pm in reply to: Dallas game: analysts, twitter, some plays, + the big articles #146502
znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long“It doesn’t seem like it’s good, but we’ll wait for full clarification…” -Rams HC Sean McVay on with us@ESPNLosAngeles regarding the status of Matthew Stafford’s injured hand.Stu Jackson@StuJRamsSean McVay said he doesn’t have any more information on Matthew Stafford’s thumb injury. Doesn’t want to speculate until he has more clarity. McVay said injury occurred on the 2-point conversion catch.-
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October 29, 2023 at 4:21 pm in reply to: Dallas game: analysts, twitter, some plays, + the big articles #146501
znModeratorroberto clemente@rclemente2121dating back to 1940, the rams are 1-19 when trailing by 24 or more at the half – @Jim_Everettis the only rams qb to overcome a 24+ halftime deficit. in 1992, down 3-27 at the half, the rams outscored the bucs 28-0 in the second half for the winOctober 29, 2023 at 12:05 pm in reply to: injuries going into Dallas game… + inactives list (10/29) #146496
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueRams starting RT Rob Havenstein is inactive today in Dallas..JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGEN#Rams RB Myles Gaskin will be ACTIVE today. Zach Evans INACTIVE. Gaskin expected to make his Ram debut could see some opportunities in the offense behind Darrell Henderson and Royce Freeman..Both teams #Rams and #Cowboys will be without their top tackles Rob Havenstein and Tyron Smith ruled out respectively.October 29, 2023 at 11:57 am in reply to: injuries going into Dallas game… + inactives list (10/29) #146495
znModeratorFrom https://www.therams.com/news/rams-cowboys-inactives-week-8-rob-havenstein-tyron-msith
Below are the inactives for both teams.
LOS ANGELES RAMS
RB Zach Evans
OLB Nick Hampton
OL Zach Thomas
OL Rob Havenstein
DE Earnest Brown IV
DALLAS COWBOYS
QB Trey Lance
CB Noah Igbinoghene
CB Eric Scott
RB Deuce Vaughn
OT Tyron Smith
WR Jalen Brooks
DL Villiami Fehoko
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znModeratorGetting the weekend started with @DKSportsbook. #DKPartner pic.twitter.com/s0B15SEPGr
— Colin Cowherd (@ColinCowherd) October 28, 2023
znModeratorRams fans: “Please get AD some help and trade for Chase Young or Montez Sweat!!”
Les Snead: pic.twitter.com/mzBhPkWPca
— Cesar (@CesarsBurner) October 28, 2023
znModerator100% Agreed!#RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/14RyOSunhW
— Allen Sales (@AllenSales) October 29, 2023
znModeratorbeat the cowboys! pic.twitter.com/vvezOF1SFW
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) October 28, 2023
znModeratorFrom Rodrigue, https://theathletic.com/4998815/2023/10/26/rams-trade-deadline-strategy/?source=emp_shared_article
Kicker economics
Yet again, the Rams are firing up the kicker carousel.
Previous kicker Brett Maher missed two field goals and an extra point in Sunday’s seven-point loss, and was cut Tuesday morning. The Rams signed second-year kicker Lucas Havrisik off the Browns practice squad Tuesday. Havrisik has familiarity with assistant special teams coordinator Jeremy Springer from their time at the University of Arizona, as well as with former veteran Rams kicker Matt Gay, who put in a good word. They’ll also continue to work out kickers and potentially sign someone to the practice squad, McVay said. The Rams also had two undrafted free-agent kickers competing for the spot pre-Maher, but neither panned out.
Maher missed field goal tries of 53 and 51 yards in the loss to the Steelers. McVay praised Maher for handling his release with class.
“There were some tough situations that I put him in, that doesn’t (get) lost on me,” McVay said. “It wasn’t like, easy spots that he was put in, with some of these 50-yarders.”
A study by Ben Baldwin, who builds, studies and shares NFL analytics models, found that McVay and the Rams have lost the fourth-highest amount of total win probability per game this season, by kicking or punting in “go” (what the model perceives as necessary conversion attempts on fourth down) scenarios. The results his model finds are not dependent on whether a field goal is made or missed, but on the decision itself:
Pulled this from @benbbaldwin, found it interesting. People fairly raised eyebrows at the “still evaluating” quote in kicker situation – needs to make his kicks, yeah. But to me that also means evaluating situations in which kicker is being asked to kick. (Make/miss not factored) pic.twitter.com/P7bZxdtAKC
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) October 24, 2023
Sunday, the Rams faced three “medium go” scenarios, which resulted in a missed field goal (first quarter) and two punts (fourth quarter).
The Rams actually have an excellent overall fourth-down conversion rate of 75 percent. This ranks No. 2 in the NFL. However, they have only gone for it on fourth down eight times (18th in the league), and have faced fourth down with less than five yards to gain 25 times (fifth-most). The Rams have a decision EPA of -0.05 on fourth-down plays, which is third-worst in the NFL (this statistic also ignores the result of the play itself such as whether or not a field goal is made).
Further, according to TruMedia, no team has opted to kick field goals on a higher percentage of its fourth-down plays, with 3 yards or fewer to go and inside the opponent’s 45-yard line, than the Rams since McVay’s first season in 2017 (58.3 percent). The NFL average over that span is 42.7 percent.
Based on the above, the kicking position is actually quite important to the Rams from a coaching perspective (and McVay said as much in his Wednesday news conference).
Yet from a roster-building perspective (where, to be clear, McVay also has input), it is not: The Rams cited limited finances as the reason to not extend Gay, who now draws the second-highest annual paycheck among NFL kickers from the Indianapolis Colts ($5.625 million). This was also a factor in moving on from Greg Zuerlein in 2020, who now makes the 16th-most per year ($2.6 million; still more than the Rams have been looking to pay).
Evaluating kickers is a difficult science to master. Dallas Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy, who has been through a kicking carousel or two himself (including with Maher), loaned some insight when speaking with Los Angeles beat writers Wednesday morning about the process: “I think, in some ways, kicking and punting and quarterbacks throwing — I think those are clearly three positions from a skill development, the fine motor skill that is involved in throwing a football, kicking a football and punting a football — you really have to see them live. To me, that’s an extremely difficult evaluation to make on film. As we know, that’s not always the case from an availability standpoint.
“The technique, the fine motor skill for how they play and what they do is very high. I would say an in-person evaluation is very important in evaluating kickers, from their skill and their mechanics. Hearing and feeling the ball come off their foot, all of those things. Then there’s the other research that you have to use resources (on), and that’s the emotional dynamic of how these guys are put together. It is a position that is difficult to evaluate.”
To me, it’s simple math for the Rams: You don’t want to pay an elite kicker? Fine. Then make more aggressive (within reason) decisions on the fourth downs that would otherwise lead to 50-yards-plus kicks for non-elite kickers who aren’t costing you any money. Do you want to be a “kick-it guy” in “go” situations in those parts of the field? OK, then you probably have to pay an elite kicker.
“That’s an exact conversation that I’ve had with myself, and with other members of the staff as we move forward,” McVay said of the contrast between the caliber of kicker the Rams are willing to bring in, and his in-game decision-making.
You just can’t kick your cake, and eat it too.
znModeratorHere’s the play that cost Jaylen Warren, wearing No. 30 and pass blocking here, a $48,556 fine for lowering the helmet. https://t.co/vBgXIlyVIu pic.twitter.com/YjJJOrdvq1
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) October 28, 2023
znModeratorTeams with the most passes dropped this season…
Chiefs – 15
Rams – 13
Lions – 12
Cowboys – 11
Colts – 11
Vikings – 11
Jaguars – 11Fewest dropped…
Broncos – 4
Cardinals – 4
Buccaneers – 4
Chargers – 4
Dolphins – 4
49ers – 4— NFL Stats (@NFL_Stats) October 28, 2023
znModeratorElvis
Trade deadline is 1PM Tuesday October 31st.
Will the Rams make any moves?
Jourdan says the Rams have gotten some interest for Noteboom.
It sure doesn’t seem like the Rams are gonna be bringing anyone in, certainly no big moves.
Ditto on having a fire sale.
But they’ve surprised us before.
3 Days to go…
znModeratorGary Klein@LATimeskleinMcVay on watching tape to prepare for the challenge of facing Micah Parsons and Cowboys defense: “As excited as I was yesterday, man, maybe I should have stayed at the hospital.”
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueRaheem Morris noted being impressed with Cobie Durant’s opps on the outside and Quentin Lake’s opps on the inside, albeit limited. He reiterated that, situational plan aside, when guys are successful in opps like that team certainly takes a closer look at those combinations. -
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