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    I heard an interview on a pod from one of the organizers of the senior bowl. They had to move Fiske the day of the game to the other team due to injuries to the DL. That was the one guy the orgnaizer knew wouldnt freak out if he had to tell him that. Also said if you got to watch the game film of the Senior Bowl to determine MVP of the game, Fiske would have won it.

    February 3, 2024…from https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/03/nfl-draft-braden-fiske-shines-senior-bowl/

    Braden Fiske’s NFL draft stock keeps climbing. In a recent article, I highlighted his compelling performance throughout the Senior Bowl practice week, particularly noting his dynamic presence in practice sessions and one-on-one reps. His prowess, characterized by a unique blend of speed, power, and aggression, established him as a standout force on the line.

    Despite facing challenges in a few reps against Miami’s Javion Cohen, Fiske’s overall dominance, especially in team exercises, underscored his ability to disrupt plays and command the line of scrimmage. Even with a relatively lighter frame, his explosive talent shone through, unequivocally affirming his readiness for the NFL stage. He simply gets off the ball like he was shot out of a cannon at 6’4 295 lbs.

    This readiness was further validated during the Senior Bowl game, where Fiske’s performance silenced any lingering doubts about his capability to excel at a higher level. His relentless drive resulted in a constant presence in the backfield, a fact that did not go unnoticed. The game’s commentators frequently mentioned his name, at times dedicating minutes to laud his substantial impact on the game, particularly during the third quarter. NFL analysts Charles Davis and Brian Baldinger both raved about his performance postgame.

    Fiske’s performance in the game speaks volumes: a sack, numerous stops in the backfield, and consistent pressure on the offense whenever he was on the field. His initial burst, among the fastest I’ve observed from an ACC interior lineman in recent years, was a persistent nightmare for the opposition. His exceptional play even sparked discussions among spectators and analysts about him being a deserving candidate for the game’s MVP, a remarkable consideration given that he switched teams at the last minute due to roster requirements.

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    in reply to: Rams off-season assessments & depth charts #150717
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    in reply to: our own takes on this draft #150716
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    The more I read and hear about this draft and look into it, the more I am convinced–at this admittedly very early point–that this was one of the Rams best drafts ever, and certain the best overall in the McVay era.

    IR and I debated that (and I respect his disagreement, what I am saying is in fact that something unusual and rare happened with this draft, and that’s kind of going out on a limb.) I tried to make it clear that I am saying that because of the number of very viable hits they could have in this draft, that is future starters who will be considered at least good (and not guys like Reeder who start because there’s no one else). Also very significant overall contributors, like Whittington, who is not just a 4th WR type, but also a potential star on several special team units.

    They may not have anyone who will reach the status of Nacua. But they could very well have up to 6 or 7 genuine hits. I don’t think any one of them will reach Nacua-level superstar status, but that will be very good players–real hits–such as what the Ram have in Jones or Avila.

    A lot of this depends on how far Verse develops. I see him not as a magic, bendy pass rusher like you got with Robert Quinn, Von Miller, or that type. He’s more of a smasher and brawler in the mold of Kevin Greene or JT Watt. In fact if you compare their profiles, Verse has a lot of what makes Watt effective, and if anything Verse may be a bit more physically gifted than Watt (faster and maybe stronger). Watt sets the recent standard to measure Verse by. He had 10 sacks as a rookie and has averaged 13-14 sacks a year.

    Anway that aside, a public service message. Be sure and use the guide to draft threads I provided (here: guide to 2024 draft threads). There are so far 13 different threads dedicated to this draft and it’s a kind of minor little chore to find the one you want just by scrolling through the page. It’s far easier to use the links I put in the “guide.” I keep finding different material on different draft picks I want to post here and when I do I don’t even bother to scroll down looking for the right thread, instead I go straight to the links in the guide.

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    Jess Piper@piper4missouri
    I know we hear a lot about how difficult it is to give birth in America when we don’t have paid maternity leave, but I’m goning to paint that picture.

    I went back to work when my first son was 14 days old. I worked at Walmart. I soaked through my first shirt within hours

    and soaked through my Walmart vest a few minutes later. I kept cashiering with my hair strategically placed over my breasts. I was still using a peri bottle at every bathroom visit. I bled so much that first day, that I had to wear Depends underwear lined with two pads.

    I worked 7 hours that day and 36 hours the first week back. I was married and my husband worked full-time, but we could not make it without the minimum wage I was paid at Walmart.

    I was 20 years old. I hope that picture sticks.

    in reply to: round 2: Rams trade up for DT Braden Fiske #150714
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    in reply to: round 6, pick 217… Rams take C Beaux Limmer #150713
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    in reply to: Rams 1st pick (19) is Jared Verse #150712
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    in reply to: Rams tweets etc. … 4/28 – 4/30 #150710
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    in reply to: draft assessments, grades, and analysis #150707
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    from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/5/1/24145892/rams-draft-results-jared-verse-braden-fiske-schematic-fit

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    The Athletic’s Ted Nguyen put together a list of best schematic fits of the 2024 class. Included in that list were Verse and Fiske with the Rams who are an odd front, pattern match team on defense.

    Needing an edge rusher, Verse made too much sense after falling to 19. The Florida State edge rusher has quick get off and tested really well in explosive drills. He wins with both speed and power and should be able to provide a boost to the Rams pass rush. Said Nguyen,

    “Losing one of the greatest interior pass rushers ever is tough. No one can replace Aaron Donald. But the Rams have to do something to mitigate the gaping hole left by his absence. Asking one rookie to try to fill his shoes is an impossible task, so the Rams are asking two Seminoles to try…The Rams use odd fronts with two stand-up edge rushers and Verse has experience rushing standing up or with his hand in the ground. Verse fits what they typically look for in an edge linebacker more than incumbent starter Michael Hoecht, who is a converted nose tackle. Verse has some experience dropping back, which he’ll be asked to do.”’

    The Rams didn’t just add one Florida State defender, but took a second by trading up to 39 and selecting Braden Fiske. Fiske was a player pre-draft that I determined a fit due to his quick get off, elite explosiveness, and displayed good later movement. However, he is a scheme fit as well as a single gap penetrator. Nguyen said of Fiske,

    “Fiske has one of the quickest get-offs in the draft. He was one of the best testers at the combine and that athleticism pops off the film. Fiske is an explosive, violent and unrelenting defender but he’s undersized at 292 pounds and has short arms. In the Rams’ odd fronts, he can kick out and line up at four-technique (head up on tackles) so he doesn’t have to hold his ground in the A and B gaps too often. It’ll remain to be seen how Fiske will hold up against the run, but the Rams hope the pair will be able to contribute to their pass rush immediately.”

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    JimYoungblood53
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    When Rams went to 4-2-5

    Donald still a 3-tech and Turner was at 2i or 1-tech
    sometimes the 2i is called “G” don;t know why maybe because
    no one likes saying 2i over and over. 1-tech is often called “shade”
    because they will shade to the left or right of the center, not a true “0-tech”

    I envision Fiske at the “G” and Turner at the 3-tech this year.

    in reply to: Rams 1st pick (19) is Jared Verse #150703
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    in reply to: Rams tweets etc. … 4/28 – 4/30 #150702
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    in reply to: round 6, pick 196 … Rams take DT Tyler Davis #150701
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    in reply to: round 2: Rams trade up for DT Braden Fiske #150700
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    in reply to: draft assessments, grades, and analysis #150699
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    alyoshamucci

    This is my favorite Rams draft ever. I’m used to having to take a day because of a pick or 3 that I disagree with … some reach of some sort that I have to trust them on … This year? Liked or loved every pick.

    I will say I wanted a WR … but I don’t know how healthy Kupp is (They do) … and if we have edge taken care of we can spend money on that if we need to after next year.

    1) Jared Verse, Edge, FSU Transfer from Albany, could have come out last year and actually been drafted higher. Gotta have a chip on his shoulder for that. Powerful, the kind of powerful that has recorded sacks by plowing the OT into the QB. Strength is ready for the pro game. Used to run track. How well can he change direction? We’ll find out.

    2) Braden Fiske, DT, FSU Transfer from WMU (Marshawn Kneeland was his running mate there) … got better as the season progressed and completely killed the postseason. His Senior Bowl is a story that will likely be told for years, due to injuries he switched teams the morning of the game and still won DPOG. His 1:1 drills were unfair. His combine short shuttle was like an average DB (4.32). Ran a 4.78 but a 1.58 split. At 292 lbs. There’s a chance that the most AD like was not Jerzawhn Newton, but him.

    Combo) FSU Teammates that played right next to one another, wearing 5 and 55. Gained cohesion and capacity to read each other on the field to adjust rushes, which led to heavier production at the end of the year … which is why the rolled through undefeated even though J Travis went down with an injury. They were good friends, and FSU as a team went through the most depressing end to a college season likely ever. Undefeated, and robbed of an opportunity to play for a national championship because of an injury. That’s mental toughness through adversity and bonding that simply makes them a synergistic value.

    Final note … having watched them and not only how they win, but how they lose … as an offensive player you’re often not planning how to win, but how to lose without the play being destroyed. Because you’re going to lose a lot.

    3) Blake Corum, RB, Michigan … I am not a Michigan guy. I am not usually into guys who run like him. He reminds me of a smaller Nick Chubb … who oddly is not my cup of tea, but has carved out a huge role for himself in the NFL. Why am I a fan of this? I had him around this area for value, but his mentality and leadership were the grounding force for the entire Michigan team that won the championship. Discipline, team first, hard nosed (seen the poster?), finisher. Comes into a stable room with a stable O line built to blow people off the line with the expectation of keeping him fresh not just for games but for years in case Kyren walks.

    4) Kam Kinchens, S, Miami This is all about playing centerfield … and making QBs pay for being late. One note on Corum and Kinchens, both were likely first rounders going into 2023, and fell as others rose. Kinchens was a 2022 All American, Miami had a rough year and he fell to 99. Instincts are on point and he arrives to take the ball away.

    5) Brennan Jackson, Edge, WSU One of my draft crushes/sleepers. I honestly had a mock in my head where we would take a WR, DT, the him in the third and I felt solid about him being the only Edge we took. Just to make a note here … Verse is 257 and ran a 4.58. Jackson is 266 and ran a 4.69. 10 lbs. and .1 off the 40. I feel fine with him going any direction because he’s a smooth athlete. I think someone quoted me as saying “This is a great player that could somehow slide to the 5th in this class” and he did.

    6) Tyler Davis, DT, Clemson I was not suspecting another DT, but … I didn’t have him graded but maybe steps below many of the kids that went in rounds 2 and 3. Value is nuts, but so is his determination. He had an amazing start to his career, then battled injuries and went for 5 years. He was a mainstay on a powerful defense and I doubt he has much of an adjustment to make based on the talent that Clemson faces (Best in ACC plus ND, UGA, and SC).

    6) Josh Karty, K, Stanford Kicker. Kicks stuff. Confident kid.

    6) Jordan Whittington, WR, Texas So … the story for this kid is wild. He was a leading WR that got jumped by Worthy and Mitchell and Sanders without really losing any shine on his talent. What’s his talent? Middle of the field and pile driving through tacklers. He catches the ball and then becomes a TE. Seeing his burst and agility numbers made that make sense … changes angles and drives with power through the weak points of tackles. 2nd in after the catch power to only Corley, he honestly gives us the 3 hardest WR combos to tackle in the NFL. Like with Puka and Kupp, after he has the ball, he has the advantage no matter who you are. He was on my list for the 6th most of the year.

    6) Beaux Limmer, IOL, Arkansas This kid was on my list in the middle of the year for OC possibilities, and I felt like he got lost a bit in the process, but then got remembered for a flash when he broke the combine (physical traits) … this is the exact person you want backing up a hundred million dollars of beef. He’s not going to be outmatched physically, and he has an obvious work ethic from his gym work. Arkansas is power running, but they did more pass pro with Jefferson this year. Hole filled with an interior swing with an athletic fit. Can we pay him at the end of his contract? I like the set up for that.

    7) KT Leveston, OL, K State … First, I like K State players. I feel like he battles McClendon, but doesn’t make the roster and sticks on the PS for a redshirt of getting into better shape. Maybe he jumps up a few games from the PS. He’s got length at 34.5 inches to his arms, but he’s only 6-4 so he’s gotta get quicker to survive on the edge … but I figure he’s a solid pickup regardless.

    I pay more attention here since the NFL changed the rules for the PS, because it’s a legit job and you can realistically participate in games and get paid.

    UDFA1) Omar Speights, LB, LSU I followed him from Oregon State, where I had a solid eye on him for his ability to play sideline to sideline. He’s a classic chase and cover LB that can thump if given the opportunity. 30 reps is no joke. 4.62 is the going rate. He may not make the team off the bat, no need, he’ll be there by the end of the year I’d wager.

    UDFA2) Tuli Letuligasanoa, DT, UW …. Another kid from a championship team … I’ve followed him since freshman year … he lost weight every year, which is rare. I’ve never seen anyone really successfully move him. He doesn’t rack up stats, but he can hold the point. I figure he’s a PS and call up possibility when we hit injuries. It’s a solid NT pickup.

    UDFA3) Drake Stoops, WR, OK … They love him in OK. Reminds me of Renfrow because if it’s third down or goal to go, the defense had to find him and try to cover him. They failed … a lot. They always talked about him walking on as the coach’s son, then they had to start talking about the fact that he was the toughest kid on the roster. I expect him to be working in at PR for us. He could legitimately be a slot after a year. Don’t count him out.

    UDFA4) Josh Wallace, CB, Mich… Championship kid who transferred in from Umass and had the unfortunate job of playing opposite the best CB in the nation. Had a weak long time but better burst/agility/split #s. He is well trained and should be a solid kid to kick the tires on.

    UDFA5) Cam Lampkin, CB, WSU Note .. WSU almost beat UW. Held them to 3 scores until a final FG. Jackson and Lampkin are a part of that, and though Smith-Wade got more press, I liked Lampkin basically just as much. That secondary was for real … honestly the whole D was.

    in reply to: draft assessments, grades, and analysis #150698
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    Deadpool

    1.19 Jared Verse – EDGE – FSU – 6′-4″ 254 lbs. – Twitched up, speed to power merchant that can really apply pressure to OL early in the rep. Solid setting an edge as well.

    He was my 15th overall rated prospect, and my 7th overall Rams specific board prospect (and the top one available at 19) He was also my 3rd rated EDGE.
    He was in my other names to watch in my 2nd mock with the 19th pick, but I didn’t expect him to be there.

    From a post I made 11 months ago on prospects to watch for next year, since the Rams had a 1st round pick:
    Jared Verse, FSU – Shocked he didn’t come out, he had to have had a 1st round grade. Played for Albany, then transferred to FSU, so maybe he wanted 2 years of production at a high end school 6′-4″ 250 lbs of relentlessness. In the run and pass game. Flexible enough to flatten around the corner to the QB, but strong enough to hold his own at the PoA.

    He is strong, athletic with a nonstop motor and high character marks. His RAS score was 9.60, putting him in the “Elite” category. His speed and explosion grades “Elite”
    He can set an edge in the run game and is a speed to power QB hunter. His explosion off the snap combined with violent hands put OL on the defensive immediately. He needs to add some pass rush moves, but he is further along in development than Byron Young was last year. And stronger. My only question is can he drop into coverage?

    I love the value of this pick meeting need and I think fit. We can thank all the QBs going, pushing down the defensive guys. In a normal year 6 QBs and 3 WRs in the top 10 will not happen and Verse is gone my 12 at the latest IMO.

    I truly think if Verse is gone, the Rams trade out or at the least down. Did they like Robinson? Maybe. Would have they traded down and went Fiske early in the 2nd and then went edge rusher later? That’s the most likely scenario, followed by trading back to the end of the 1st and grabbing a WR, then moving back up for Fiske. I like how it worked out TBH.

    2.39 Braden Fiske – IDL – FSU – 6′-5″ 292 lbs. – Good athlete that is a super smooth mover, big time motor and quick.

    He was my 35th overall ranked prospect, my 25th ranked Rams specific prospect and my 4th overall ranked IDL (top 3 were off the board ) He was also in my other names to watch in my mock 2.0 second round.

    From 2 months ago on my 1st round prospects after the combine:
    Fiske is having himself an offseason, I oriiginally had him as 3rd rounder, because his play speed seemed sluggish, but he dominated the Senior Bowl and the combine and I will have him locked in as 2nd rounder, he could, in theory push himself into the back of 1st.

    Really active hands
    Explosive out of his stance
    Agile enough to be effective in stunts
    Red hot motor
    Won’t eat double teams, but is quick enough to split them
    Bigger, longer OL can neutralize him

    This was a pick I was hoping they would make after Friday night. I knew they would have to move up for him, but like I said in trade section above, with the way WRs and DTs were going, they were going to have to move up for a target, or take the best fitting CB. Adding Fiske with his relentless motor to guys like Turner, Young and Verse, and you have 4 high motor, relentless QB hunters. Its going to be a fun front 7 to watch. I think

    3.83 Blake Corum – RB – Mich. – 5′-8″ 205 lbs. – He will wear you down and grind out yards despite his size. Excellent contact balance and good vision. Lacks a HR gear, seemed to have a down season.

    He was my 106th overall prospect on my 220 big board, my 86th prospect on my Rams specific board and my 6th rated RB.

    I had heard someone comment on NFL radio (cannot remember who) that he may have played the season dinged, accounting for his down year from the previous year.

    45 TDs in last 2 seasons, he has a nose for the endzone
    Great contact balance
    good vision
    Good patience for the most part
    Long speed is missing
    Not the shiftiest or most elusive RB
    Solid hands as a pass catcher, not a dynamic route runner
    Pass blocking is a work in progress

    He’s more of the same with Williams, I guess if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. Fans will love him the same way I said fans will love Williams when htey drafted him. He is just an angry, tough runner with a lot of dog in him. I was hoping for a HR style back for a change of pace, but he will work really well in the Rams offense. Overall, in a weak RB class, I’m happy with this pick, considering who was available.

    3.99 Kamren Kinchens – SAF – Miami – 5′-11″ 203 lbs. – Turnover machine, brings it when in the box. Not the rangiest SAF in the class.

    He was my 85th rated prospect on my 220 big board, my 64th rated prospect on my Rams specific board and my 6th rated safety.

    Excellent instincts
    Ballhawk
    tough and willing to do work in the box
    Likes to punish ball carriers
    lacks the range to play single high
    Can work in man or zone, but I liked him better in zone

    He was in contention for the top SAF taken in the draft with Nubin, but a sub-optimal combine really dropped him down a few pegs on the safety rung. And really, the Rams aren’t that concerned with 40 times, its play speed, and he is more than athletic and fast enough to play in a split zone system, he can also play big nickel. He plays a smart brand of football and his ability to create turnovers is 2nd to none in the safety class. I was working on a 3rd mock before I ran out of time, but he was going to be my pick at the end of the 3rd round. Love this value.

    5.154 Brennan Jackson – EDGE – Washington State – 6′-4″ 264 lbs.

    I had no ranking on him in my top 220 prospects, he was on my list but missed the cut by 10 or so names, so I had a late 6th, early 7th round rating on him.

    Great power and size for the position
    Really powerful – combines that with a devastating bull rush
    Excellent edge setter against the run
    Another red hot motor
    Lacks fluid change of direction, a bit stiff in his lower half.
    Needs to develop more pass rsh moves and a pass rush plan

    I missed on him. Alyo nailed this kid, which is not surprising, since he is the best at this. I struggle with the guys in that upper 260 lb range to 275ish. That said, this is an interesting pick. They announced him as a LBer, so they are planning on him playing standing up on the edge, maybe he can reduce down to a 5t on passing downs. I can see a front 3 of Jackson, Fiske and Turner with Verse and Young on obvious passing downs. Thats a relentless front 5.

    6.196 112. Tyler Davis – IDL – Clemson – 6′-2″ 301 lbs. – Explosive NT with powerful hands and a good understanding of leverage. Pass rush needs refinement.

    My 112th ranked prospect on my 220 big board, my 91st ranked prospect on my Rams specific board and my 11th rated IDL.

    Nose tackle
    Team captain
    Non-stop motor
    Grown man strong
    Powerful and active hands
    intelligent, understands leverage and angles
    Explosive first step
    Can eat up double teams
    On the small side for a NT
    Pass rush is lacking

    He is a fun pick. Smart, leader on and off the field, productive and relentless. He will fit right in with the new Rams DL. I imagine he will rotate Brown at NT. This pick had tremendous value to match need and fit. Big fan of this pick.

    6.209 Joshua Karty – K – Stanford – 6′-2″ 207 lbs. – Big time range with improved accuracy year after year.

    My 175th overall prospect on my big board, my 173rd ranked player on my Rams specific board and my top rated K.

    Big leg (career long of 61)
    Accuracy has improved year over year

    My favorite kicker since the season started. Love the value, love the fit. This was one of the most important picks in the Rams draft IMO. I think htey nailed down their punter and kicker for a while, and that feels good.

    6.213 Jordan Whittington – WR – Texas – 6′-1″ 205 lbs. – Physical before and after the catch. Good run blocker and could be a monster on STs with the new rules. Lacks route running and HR gear.

    He was my 205th rated player on my big board, my 160th player on my Rams spercific board and my 34th rated WR.

    Team first guy willing to block, go over the middle, take jet sweeps
    tough to tackle with the ball in his hands
    Route running is a work in progress
    good hands
    PR/KR value
    Lacks homerun speed
    Works as an X or slot WR

    I love this kid. I actually mocked him to us in my first mock draft at the end of the 5th round. He just has that Rams WR vibe. Tough, smart team oriented that is willing to block. Fun fact: he worked with Ricky Proehl to get ready for the draft. His teammates apparently love him. He is a hard worker. He is a beast after the catch and he adds ST value, which I hope lands him a spot on the roster. He won’t take the top off a defense, but he will do everything he can to help his team win on Sundays and thats good enough for me with a round 6 pick. I hope he makes the roster.

    6.217 Beaux Limmer – OC – Arkansas – 6′-5″ 302 lbs. – Most of his experience is at RG, last year OC. He is an excellent run blocker that needs to improve his pass sets.

    He was my 143rd rated prospect on my big board, and my 5th ranked OC. He did not make my Rams specific board (no OCs did)

    Athletic OC with great length (9.80 RAS score)
    A little light and could use some good weight
    Has OC/OG flexibility
    For all that athleticism, he isn’t the smoothest mover in space
    Smart, can call line calls

    After years of mocking OCs to the Rams, I finally quit doing it and they draft one. If I knew that was all it took, i would have quit drafting OCs years ago. This is a depth pc that most likely ends up on the PS. He needs to get stronger/bigger and work on his pass sets. His run blocking is good. Good news is he seems like a hard worker and smart, so he has a chance to carve out a nice IOL depth piece. I thought he would work better in a zone scheme, but he has heavy feet so maybe a gap/power scheme is his ticket. I had him pegged at 143, so late 4th, early 5th, so great value at the end of round 6.

    7.254 KT Leveston – OG – Kansas St. – 6′-4″ 326 lbs. – OT that will probably end up as an OG. Mauler style that needs technical improvement. gap/power scheme.

    He was my 169th rated prospect on my big board, my 143rd rated player on my Rams specific board, and my 17th ranked IOL.

    Most of his snaps came at LT, but did have snaps at LG
    He is a finisher, nasty personality
    Can get a bit upright and has a tendency to lunge
    A good mover, but not the smoothest
    Has the length to stay at OT, but not the movement skills to survive on an island

    He was one of the few OL I put on my Rams vertically stacked board because he fits what the Rams like. Positional versatility, nasty demeanor, lots of experience. He most likely lands on the PS. But I do like this pick.

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    Overall, this may be my favorite draft since I’ve been following it. Time will tell how it actually shakes out.

    As the the picks themselves, they are all team first, hard working, relentless on the field types. They all have plenty of experience as well, The Fiske/Verse paring is amazing as both should start, too bad they didn’t sign FSU NT Fabian Lovett to an UDFA contract. Instead they went with a NT thats a bit undersized, but relentless and a team leader, he will fit right in. Karty was my top kicker. Corum and Whittington both bring punt and kick return experience with them as well as flawless fits inside the offense, the 2 OL add depth and developmental OL. Kinchens was a steal in the 3rd and should push for starter minutes early and Jackson is a early down edge with the ability to squeeze down to the 5t on passing downs.

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    from https://clutchpoints.com/meet-rams-2024-nfl-draft-class-grades-all-10-picks

    Beaux Limmer, OL, Arkansas

    Grade: A

    Limmer’s late-round availability was unexpected given his athleticism. His versatility in playing multiple positions on the line, combined with his impressive combine performance, makes him a valuable pick.

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    from https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-grades-for-every-team-eagles-patriots-chiefs-deliver-cowboys-panthers-receive-poor-marks/

    Les Snead is one of the most underrated GMs in the NFL. He proved that again with this draft. The Florida State duo with the first two picks — spectacular. Older but instant-impact types. Neither Corum nor Kinchens are premier athletes; they just handle their jobs at a high level. Jackson has some upside as a thick but sleek edge rusher, and Davis is one of the preeminent run-stopping defensive tackles in this class.

    Oh, and Limmer is an eventual starter given his time destroying worlds in the SEC as an explosive and powerful pivot.

    Grade: B+

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    in reply to: Rams 1st pick (19) is Jared Verse #150694
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    from https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-draft-ranking-7-best-pass-rushers-in-this-years-class/

    JARED VERSE, FLORIDA STATE

    Jared Verse starts the list of the 6.7 and above grades that represent true three-down starting edge rushers. Originally starting in the FCS ranks at Albany, Verse made the jump to Florida State in 2022 and immediately stood out.

    In 2023, he ranked third among edge prospects in SIS’s Pressure Rate Above Expectation stat, which adjusts pressure rate for game situations and the player’s alignment.

    SIS scout Nathan Cooper gave Verse a 7 in pass rush, hand use, play strength and pass rush repertoire. He also wrote, “Verse is a top-tier pass rusher with heavy hands and a bag of tricks that makes it difficult for linemen to block him.”

    from https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-draft-ranking-top-11-edge-rushers-prospects/

    Jared Verse Verse projects as a high-end starting edge rusher who fits best in an even front where he can rush with his hand in the ground, but there really isn’t a reason he can’t stand up on the edge as well. His pass rush ability is already at a very good level and with a little refinement and coaching at the next level, it can become elite.

    On third downs, he’ll be most effective and do the most damage with his power and repertoire as a wide-9 on the edge. He could also reduce down inside to use his length on interior linemen. He can stand in here and there on special teams, but with stamina, motor and tackling concerns, it’s likely not something to waste reps on.

    From https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jared-Verse-DE-FloridaState

    SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS

    Verse brings a seasoned pass-rush plan to the table, executing a myriad of initial and counter moves with polished technique and shrewd decision-making.
    The explosive first step is a cornerstone of his game, dictating pass-rush scenarios by imposing his will and disrupting offensive linemen’s rhythm off the snap.
    Elite athletic skills — Made Bruce Feldman’s 2023 ‘Freaks List’ at number 26. He wrote: “another year at FSU has enabled him to continue to develop, both physically and in his on-field skill set. At 6-3 1/2, 260 pounds, Verse power-cleans 360 pounds, squats 555 and benches 455, but he also has excellent burst, running 21.14 MPH in a game with a max acceleration of 5.85m/s with a max deceleration of -6.98m/s.”
    Exceptional bend and flexibility allow Verse to exploit the edge, dipping under offensive tackles and maintaining a tight, efficient path to the quarterback.
    Natural athletic gifts are evident in his lateral agility, enabling effective redirection and counter moves that continue to confound protective schemes.
    His functional strength shouldn’t be understated – Verse consistently delivers powerful punches and showcases the ability to hold his ground against heavier opponents.
    The motor on Verse runs incessantly, reflecting a high-effort player who brings relentless energy and pursuit from snap to whistle on every down.
    Hand usage is a notable strength, displaying rapid and potent strikes that effectively navigate through opposing linemen’s blocks to disrupt the backfield.
    A hallmark of his game, the palpable explosiveness, permeates through his every move, asserting dominance in gap penetration and providing a perpetual disruptive presence.

    SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES

    Verse, while maintaining exterior leverage, occasionally overshoots, enabling offensive schemes to exploit created lanes, undermining the run defense’s integrity and effectiveness.
    Despite a robust and physical approach to run defense, there’s a discernible lack of control in his tackling, often resulting in missed opportunities in the backfield.
    While the collegiate tackle-for-loss numbers are there, skepticism arises regarding the translatability of those statistics to the NFL, demanding further refinement in his approach.
    Anticipation and mental processing in run scenarios require elevation; enhancing block recognition and reactionary quickness out of his stance remains a pivotal area for development.
    Verse’s effective hand usage in pass-rush scenarios demands translation into run defense, ensuring that generated power and jolt are equivalently impactful across all play types.

     

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    from https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-draft-grading-every-teams-draft-class/
     LOS ANGELES RAMS: B+

    Following Aaron Donald’s retirement, the Los Angeles Rams focused on the defensive front seven with their first two picks of two Florida State teammates — EDGE Jared Verse and DT Braden Fiske. The Rams were without a first-round pick since 2016 before taking Verse, who has speed and power as one of the top edge rushers. He was taken at the bargain spot of No. 19.

    The Rams paid a high price (No. 2 picks in 2024 and 2025 and a 2024 fifth-rounder) to move up 13 spots in the second round) for Fiske, who is strong and quick but needs to become more consistent as a pass rusher.

    RB Blake Corum is an excellent third-round pick with great vision, and he had 27 TDs for Michigan last season. He’ll split time with Kyren Williams in Sean McVay’s offense. Fellow third-round pick Kamren Kinchens is a playmaking safety (11 interceptions over the last two seasons).

    On Day 3, the Rams added Brennan Jackson, who has pass-rushing skill from the edge, while DT Tyler Davis is a strong run-stopper up front. Joshua Karty fills the need for a new accurate kicker. Beaux Limmer should stick as a solid center.

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    from PFF, Most and least improved units after the 2024 NFL Draft:  https://www.pff.com/news/draft-most-and-least-improved-units-after-the-2024-nfl-draft

    LOS ANGELES RAMS DEFENSIVE LINE

    One of the sayings that we heard all offseason for the Rams was that they can’t replace Aaron Donald. The Rams certainly believed that to be true, and their response was to draft a plethora of new defensive linemen. They drafted Jared Verse in the first, traded up for Braden Fiske in the second, then brought in Brennan Jackson and Tyler Davis on Day 3. Combine those four with Kobie Turner and Byron Young from last year’s draft, and you have a completely new defensive line in Los Angeles.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Can confirm the reports that RB Boston Scott and the Rams have agreed to a one-year deal, per source.
    Didn’t expect that. Perhaps they see him as a return guy with the kickoff? Could spell trouble for Evans and/or Rivers. Although, McVay seems to genuinely like Rivers.

    I think Evans is on thin ice.

    The hit rate on backs taken after round 3 is remarkably bad. In terms of RBs the Rams have drafted, KW is the only successful one taken after round 3 in their entire history. (Yep, entire history. Unless you count Zack Stacy, which I don’t.)

    So now they have KW, Corum, Rivers, and Scott.

    They need Scott cause if they’re going to run 1A and 1B backs to keep the 1A fresher, than they need a 3rd guy to step in if either KW or Corum misses time. And/or, they don’t know how quickly Corum will learn to play on 3rd down so Scott covers it till Corum is up to snuff when it comes to that.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Can confirm the reports that RB Boston Scott and the Rams have agreed to a one-year deal, per source.
    Photo of Boston Scott

    Boston Scott

    Position: RB

    5-6, 203lb

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    General manager Les Snead, whose stepson is a long snapper at Texas (Whittington’s alma mater), gushed about the receiver and said everybody in the building referred to him as the Longhorns’ “heartbeat.”

    I take that pretty seriously, and that’s encouraging insight. And…on another note, I look at the CB depth chart, and it occurs to me that the Rams must like the look of that. Also encouraging. Because there were guys they could have drafted, but didn’t. Their safeties are suddenly looking pretty damn good with the additions of Curl and Kinchens, and their versatility is important. If they get competent work from Williams and White, any growth Durant and Kendrick show will be bonus.

    Whittington strikes me as being a great pick. Not for his WR skills alone–he’s not fast and he’s not quick though he does break tackles at a high rate and has what looks to be excellent open field vision on runs after the catch. A 3rd or 4th WR type who doesn’t challenge the defense on his own but makes clutch plays when he’s out there with other WRs drawing the attention. Kind of what everyone thought Proehl was (though truth is Proehl was actually a very good receiver in his own right.)

    But beyond all that, everything you hear about him indicates 2 things that are of value.

    * He’s a poster-child of team culture intangibles. Leadership and positivity everywhere. Not just on the team–he reportedly became the team’s representative figure for the entire campus. Pretty much everyone who assessed him talked about his high football IQ. It’s as if he is a future coach who already knows how to “build culture.”

    * He has all the signs of being a special teams ace. On every unit. He can do returns; he’s known for his blocking; he’s famously ready and willing to do whatever dirty work that needs to be done; and he seems to be heady, physical, and aggressive when he needs to tackle someone. So he would potentially shine in pretty much every single special teams unit that can use someone of his body type–including a blocker on the LOS for on punts and kicks, a blocker downfield for returns on punts and kickoffs, and a gunner type making tackles in coverage on both punts and kickoffs.

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