http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/119043/justin-bethel-says-flag-debate-in-south-carolina-hits-close-to-home
Maybe this was posted but I didnt see it.

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BTW, fwiw, I, personally,
dont think much of the American flag,
either.

To me it just represents Tribalism, as well as,
genocide, ethnic cleansing, corporate-power,
consumerism, and slavery. Wage slavery.

The only flag i will ever salute is the one
that shows the picture of the whole EARTH
with no divisions, countries or tribes.

Have a nice day 🙂

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waterfield wrote:

WV: “You know i wrote a letter to the LA Times way back in the 80’s and it got
published. You probably read it, many years ago. They titled it “A View from Afar”.
I was complaining about the LA fans booing the Rams after a playoff loss or somethin.
I’ve tried to find a copy of that letter but i cant seem to find it.”

That was probably the Giant/Ram playoff game in Anaheim. I was there with my son and Robinson took out Dickerson to put in Crutchfield with 2d and goal from the 4 yd line. He had done that at least a million times during the season even though Dickerson was having the best rooking running season of any back ever. Anyway, sitting behind us was a family of Giant fans. One of the mothers had a 3 month old baby. When Crutchfield came in the baby-believe it or not-says “watch they’re gonna give it to Crutchfield” Sure enough.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1985-07-31/sports/8501310740_1_camp-fullback-dwayne-crutchfield

I have never heard the Prima-teen-Mist excuse,
before:

…Disappointed, he left the Dolphins` camp. It was his fiancee, Carol Macri, who came to his rescue.
When I had tried out with the Dolphins, I had been dieting for two days, Crutchfield said. I had been taking Lasix 40 (a form of the diuretic used to prevent bleeding in racehorses), and my weight had gone from 250 to about 239. When I came here to try out, I took some Primateen Mist to help clear my head. I took one hit, then I felt stuffed so I took another. I read the label and it said only take two hits at the most. By the time I read it, I had already taken four.
My fiancee told me to call Coach Shula and explain what happened. He told me he would give me another chance.…

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zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Yeah Ive seen those stats and…i dunno. Im not sure they match
up with my eyeball test. There’s been plenty of games where Long
just seems to disappear, it seems to me. I do think he’s ‘good’ when healthy
but i dunno about “4th or 5th ranking’ good. Maybe.

Well no matter who keeps track of the numbers, Long is always up there when you count hurries and hits along with sacks.

Sometimes you need numbers because the eyeball isn’t enough.

This is always accompanied by stats that measure how well opponents run at the Rams right defensive end. In 2012, they were 9th in that. In 2013, 8th. In 2014, with Long out part of the time and not 100% the rest, they were 19th.

…

Well do you think he’s one of the top five DE’s
in the game?

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Maddy wrote:

nittany ram wrote:
If they broke that down by position and then did a top 10 (or even top 5) list for each position you would see the names of many former Rams players. Not just Orlando Pace.

This is a big part of why I think an all-time Ram team would stand up to anyone’s all-time team. They’ve had great running teams and great passing teams. They’ve had teams that grind and teams that score at will. They’ve had great defenses. But they have had elite lines on both sides.

If you put the Rams’ all-time offensive line in front of Warner, Faulk, and Dickerson, with Bruce, Holt, Hakim, or whoever you pick to catch passes, and put together an all-time Rams defensive unit, I’ll take my chances against anyone’s all-time team.

Well, you would need a great coach too, and I dunno if the best Ram coaches
would be able to outfox, the Bill Walshes, Bill Belichicks, Tom Landry’s, Chuck Nolls, etc.

I guess it would be either George Allen or Dick Vermeil, as coach.

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sdram wrote:

hmmmm, must be celebrating that notable achievement from 1194 – Sverre is crowned King of Norway.

Royal cake and ice cream perhaps?

http://www.historyorb.com/day/june/29

I dunno. I was thinking it was this:

1940 – Batman Comics, mobsters rubbed out a circus highwire team known as the Flying Graysons, leaving their son Dick (Robin) an orphan

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waterfield wrote:

Just so many WV. One that stands out is because it was one of my first memories. 1949 in the rain-Coliseum-Rams playing the Eagles for the NFL Championship. Pouring, pouring rain. Mom was afraid I would die soaking wet. So she kept giving me a flask with bourbon-I think Jim Beam-so I would stay warm. On the Eagle side of the Coliseum. Rams could not do anything in the mud but the Eagles HOF fullback Steve Van Buren could. Eagles 14-Rams 0.

Another: was at the 51 NFL Championship game against the Browns in the Coliseum. Van Brocklin to Fears -71 yards for winning TD. We (mom and I again) were on the 20 yd line Ram side right where Van Brocklin let the pass go.

Lucky enough to be at most if not all the significant Ram games at the Coliseum when they were there including the Tony Guillory blocked punt and Gabriel to Casey in the corner!

Was there when Marchetti tore off Les Richter’s helmet and beat him over the head with it. Directly in front of where I was sitting. Terrible scene.

Lots more including the initial game played in St. Louis at Edward Jones. The real story there is staying in a bed and breakfast in East St. Louis-that’s right East St. Louis if you catch my drift.

You should write them all down someday, and then post them.

You know i wrote a letter to the LA Times way back in the 80’s and it got
published. You probably read it, many years ago. They titled it “A View from Afar”.
I was complaining about the LA fans booing the Rams after a playoff loss or somethin.
I’ve tried to find a copy of that letter but i cant seem to find it.

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Mackeyser wrote:

It pains me when these politicians are so in their bubble that it doesn’t occur to them that before speaking that they should have someone use fucking GOOGLE.

I mean… we’re not talking an exhaustive Lexis/Nexis search here… it’s Google. The actual history of the Confederate Flag isn’t all that hard to KNOW. It’s not a matter of lost history or a matter of conjecture left to faith or opinion.

We know it.

It’s a known thing.

Which is why these statements in light of the facts are so offensive. They aren’t political soft shoe. They’re offensive.

Like I said… Politics is pornography for polite society…

You know it when you see it, right?

Well maybe just a bit of devil’s-advocacy here, but
things ‘do’ change meanings. Things morph. Things are ideologically elastic.
So, maybe to many white folks the confed-flag means “honor” or Anti-big-Government”
or “chivalry” or some such thing. It may not “mean” racism to everyone.

So, then the very “meaning” of the flag is contested ideological ground.

Who gets to decide what “it means” ? And is the “history of the flag” the only factor
in determining what it means “now” ?

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zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Um…a racing picture, a racecar, a horse….and…a snake eating something.

Now is it just me, or does that list have something
that doesn’t quite belong?

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Snakes are quick. He is talking about a snake striking prey. Not a snake sitting back with some wine and candles complimenting the rice.

I wonder if ancient Jurassic snakes had feathers?

Just somethin I wonder.

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“…Does Smoke talk with the clouds?
How many questions does a cat have? What is the name of the cocktail that mixes vodka and lightning bolts?
And what did the rubies say standing before the juice of pomegranates? Is there anything in the world sadder than a train standing in the rain? How old is November anyway?
How did the abandoned bicycle win its freedom?
Do tears not yet spilled wait in small lakes? “
Pablo Neruda

nittany ram wrote:

I saw it also and the bad science put me off.

Yeah, I know, why does a movie with dinosaurs have to be scientifically accurate? Normally it wouldn’t have to be but Spielberg set the standard when he released Jurassic Park in 93 and lauded how scientifically accurate it was. And he was right. With a few exceptions the portrayal of the dinosaurs were pretty accurate for what we knew at the time.

But Jurassic World is a major step backward. The depiction of the dinosaurs hasn’t kept up with recent discoveries. In some aspects, they’ve even backslid into the 50’s. For example we know that dinosaurs could see color and that the ceolurosaurs, which is the theropod clade that contains velociraptor and tyrannosaurus were feathered. Birds are in this group too. Therefore, the most parsimonious depiction would be colorful and fuzzy raptors and tyrannosaurs. However they remain portrayed with the same monotone scaly integument as they were when they were first discovered decades ago.

And where did they get the mosasaur? First of all, the one in the movie is about two or three times bigger than the largest ever discovered. It was ridiculously huge. Regardless, they were ocean going creatures that most likely never came ashore even to lay eggs because they gave birth to live young. So when would a mosquito have the opportunity to bite one? Remember, that’s where the DNA comes from for all these beasts…ancient mosquitos trapped in amber. Plus, are they really going to feed it a great white shark? It would be illegal anyway because they are on the endangered species <nobr>list</nobr>.

An Indominus rex was a major disappointment. More like Indominus blech. Very uninspired rendition of a dinosaur. It would look more at home in the next Godzilla movie with its ridiculous opposable thumb that NO dinosaur ever possessed. They did sort of skate around the scientific accuracy issue when BD Wong’s character stated that none of the dinosaurs were natural. They all had DNA from other organisms incorporated into their genomes to fill in the missing pieces with a focus on the maxim that bigger and badder was better.

Anyhow, based on the above you probably think I hated the movie. I didn’t. I actually enjoyed certain aspects of it like the humor that you mentioned. And I liked the ending. But I would have enjoyed it a lot more if the scientific accuracy of the dinosaurs had been given priority as they were in the original Jurassic Park film.

T Rex had feathers? Is that what you are saying?

No way.

I’ve been to the Creation Museum and I’ve seen the
dinosaur exhibit. No Feathers on anything.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Museum

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zn wrote:

“Once we get in meetings (during OTAs) every day,
we have a different type of picture — we have a racing picture,
we have a racecar, a horse,
a snake eating something,
that says, ‘Fast start,’” Sims says.
“He overemphasizes it every day, so we wake up to it pretty much.”

Um…a racing picture, a racecar, a horse….and…a snake eating something.

Now is it just me, or does that list have something
that doesn’t quite belong?

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rfl wrote:

wv wrote:

Ok, well i agree with your big point that you have to judge the coach AFTER factoring
in the injury situation — In principle, sure, i agree with that. But I also think its REAL
HARD to figure out what a team’s ceiling is, if say, the OLine AND the starting QB are injured.

It’s a good point. Of course, all assessments are pretty subjective. In the end, we all make judgments about performance, measuring it against some sense of a relevant standard.

I guess that’s why I cite evidence that seems to me to be fair. You’ve heard the list. But if I cite the lack of preparedness at the beginning of the season, the brilliant DL that could not get a sack, the repeated collapses from winning positions that one would normally think of as pretty safe … I feel like those are pretty good indicators.

Did Fisher coach intelligently last year? I dunno. He certainly didn’t understand that GW was throwing too much at the young defense.

Seems to me that you’ve provided your own evidence here. Fisher hired GW, watched him coach a seriously under-performing defense through pre-season, and then waited 4-5 games to do much about it. Isn’t that an indictment in itself–your indictment? And how do we know that whatever our ceiling is won’t be subverted AGAIN this year by poor preparedness or a DC who doesn’t get how to use his players?

I agree with you about our talent.

But I have yet to see Fisher effectively lead our Rams to play disciplined, competitive football more than a few times a year and long after we’d fallen out of the race. I’ll trust him when I see him start to get a handle on the team’s competitiveness.

Well, we both think Fisher failed to see that GW was throwing too much at them,
and failed to reign him in quickly, but you seem to draw a harsher conclusion
about it, than I do.

I think we both agree coaches all make plenty of mistakes. Even the Walshes and Nolls and Vermeils.

I think Fisher has been a mixed bag so far.

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rfl wrote:

I would agree that one can’t hold a coach or team responsible for lowered results after key injuries.

But I disagree with the form that this consideration often takes. Just saying, “Hey, Team X can’t be expected to have won because of injuries Y and Z” is to me an inadequate form of assessment. After injuries, a team then has whatever ceiling of potential that results. And it is against THAT resulting ceiling that it needs to be judged….

I don’t think Fisher has done well leading the team to play to its ceiling.

Ok, well i agree with your big point that you have to judge the coach AFTER factoring
in the injury situation — In principle, sure, i agree with that. But I also think its REAL
HARD to figure out what a team’s ceiling is, if say, the OLine AND the starting QB are injured.
I mean, how does one really get a handle on what the ceiling ‘is’ given that situation? I dunno.

Did Fisher coach intelligently last year? I dunno. He certainly didn’t understand that GW was
throwing too much at the young defense. And apparently, he is simplifying the offense too,
so, he must look back and think BS gave the young players too much to think about.

I dunno.

You do not want anyone to let Fisher off the hook by breezily dismissing the teams failures
by focusing on the Injuries — I get that 🙂
I dunno, though.

At any rate, I got a very good feeling about this team. I think
they have finally turned the corner. Playoffs. Ten wins. Good solid team.
Not elite, but good. That is what i see coming to our tv’s this year 🙂

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I’d probably give him another year, no matter what.
I just haven’t seen any “Linehan level” bad coaching.

I simply can…not…ignore the Bradford injuries. Two
years in a row. How did Bruce Arians team look
after Carson went down?

I’m not sold on Fisher yet, but I’m not unsold
on him either — if that makes any sense.

If Fisher doesn’t have a winning team by year 9
though, I’m gonna start lighting the torches.

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I became a Ram fan on the 8th day of December 1968.
(that was also the year i became a Roberto Clemente fan)
I was eleven years old and I’d never seen a pro football game on tv.
My family was visiting my grandmother and my dad turned on the tv
and it just happened to be the Brian Piccolo Bears versus the Los Angeles Rams.
When my dad turned the game on, i think it was already 17-0 Bears. But the
Rams fought back and….well….its the Rams.

——————————————–
“….Season Recap

Just as they had in 1967, the Rams and Colts staged a season long battle for the Coastal Division title. The Rams won their first six games, but lost to the Colts in Baltimore in week seven, 27-10, to fall into a tie with the Colts. Both teams won their next two games, but then the Rams had to rally from a 10-point 4th quarter deficit to tie the 49ers in San Francisco, 20-20.

Going into the second to the last game of the season against the Bears, the Rams trailed the Colts by 1/2 game, with a regular season finale vs. the Colts in Los Angeles looming the following week to decide the title. The Colts won a Saturday game in Green Bay (eliminating the Packers from playoff contention) 16-3. On Sunday, the Bears, the breaks, and the officials all played a role in the Bears 17-16 win that eliminated the Rams. The Bears played inspired defense, even knocking quarterback Roman Gabriel out of the game for a time. The Rams blocked a Bears punt, but it rolled out of the end zone for a safety just before the Rams were about to recover the ball in the end zone for a touchdown. Finally, trailing by a point, Gabriel rallied the Rams and appeared to pass them into field goal range. But a late flag for clipping cost the Rams the gain and set them back 15 yards into their own territory. At the same time, the officials neglected to re-set the down marker back to 3rd down (the down is supposed to go over on a penalty), so when the next play was an incomplete pass, the officials awarded the Bears the ball. The Rams protested vehemently that it was still their ball down but to no avail. The NFL later acknowledged the officials’ mistake but said the result of the game could not be changed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Los_Angeles_Rams_season

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