I mean, what do I care?

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  • #31424
    rfl
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    Honestly. What do I care?

    This team is doing exactly what I expected. It is following the track record of 3 years under Fischer. It’s all pretty predictable, and predictably dreary.

    And you know what? I don’t feel a helluva lot. I’ve spent most of my account for caring about this sorry team, at least as long as it continues to be sorry.

    Can you honestly say you maintain much real investment in this team’s endless succession of losing football?

    If you can, well, that’s great. I guess.

    You’re better men than I, Gunga Din.

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    #31431
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i think i still invest a lot in this team. shoot i invest more in this team than i do my fantasy football team. and more than any sports team i follow too.

    a lot of it is cuz the team is designed the way i would want a team designed. defense and the running game.

    and i enjoy at least tracking the progress of certain individual players.

    but yeah i can understand why people get frustrated. hey this could go the way of the niners where some new coach comes in and turns all this talent to wins!

    #31459
    Dak
    Participant

    As far as I’m concerned, if Fisher can’t turn it around this year (playoff contention in Week 17, at least), you have to look at a coaching change. Problem is, the owner is only looking at a change in locations. Kroenke isn’t invested much in the football “team” right now as his football “franchise.” He’s not going to do anything rash — you know, other than picking up his team and heading to the coast.

    So, no matter what the Rams do, you can bet that Fisher will be back next year, doing the same things. Maybe by then he’ll have enough talent and the players will be mature enough to make a move in the NFC West. But, I just don’t see that happening this year, not after the last two losses and the youth on this O-line.

    Every year, excuses.

    #31460
    wv
    Participant

    Well as usual, RFL raises questions about the Team
    and,
    the relationship between the team and the ‘fan.’

    Personally, yes, i am still ‘invested’ in the team,
    even if it loses all the rest of its games. I dont
    think thats good or bad, and i dont think its the
    only way to be a fan, but, its how i experience/create
    my relationship with the Rams.

    Now, do I get ‘more’ pumped, ‘more’ excited,
    ‘more’ invested when they are winning and contending ?
    Yeah, i do. Sure. (course it also hurts more when they
    lose in the playoffs, etc — I ‘still’ cant watch that
    Vinateri kick or the Stallworth Catch)

    …and as I’ve said a gazillion times — I dont expect
    this season to play out like the last two Fisher years.
    Too much talent, imho. I expect them to be right there
    in the hunt for that last wildcard berth. I think they
    will win a bunch of games after the bye. Thats what
    I’m expecting. Is there an “evidence” to support that
    view? Enh, I dunno. My ‘evidence’ would simply be
    my assessment of the collection of “talent” — they have
    a lot, imho. We’ll see, though.

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    #31597
    zn
    Moderator

    Can you honestly say you maintain much real investment in this team’s endless succession of losing football?

    Well yes speaking honestly for myself, I can say that. To me, the 90s were worse. This time, what I see is a team that is marching toward the light, but circumstantial stuff keeps holding it back.

    For example, my view is that when this team had these 3 things it did well. 1. A starting caliber qb. Not even a great one. 2. A decently effective OL not held back by either multiple simultaneous injuries or massive inexperience. 3. A running threat.

    The problem is, it has only has all 3 things in 11 of the last 51 games. (Last 8 games of 2012, games 5-7 of 2013). In those 11 games they went 7-3-1, and that includes 6 games against top 10 defenses.

    So I just assume that when they have all 3 things they will do well. What happens in the meanwhile is that I roll with the losses and enjoy the victories—but not just enjoy them as stand alone things…I also view them as revealing what the team can be when it settles down.

    That means (for me anyway) there’s something to root for. This isn’t 96. There’s something special brewing under the stormy surface. That’s just how I see it.

    In terms of Fisher, I just don’t blame him as much as you do; but at the same time, I figure, this team has so much that if they move on to another coach, then that’s fine. Any good coach is going to have to be patient with this bunch until they cohere, and will benefit greatly when they do.

    Coaching, to me, though, is another, longer, different issue. I just responded here to the “are you invested issue,” though even the way I describe the ISSUE is different.

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    #31602
    rfl
    Participant

    That means (for me anyway) there’s something to root for. This isn’t 96.

    Oh, I agree. I agree with the standard view that we have a lot of talent. Except perhaps for the OL.

    But IF WE HAVE THE TALENT … then that makes the continuing failure even more damning of the coaching staff.

    A conclusion you don’t accept. But you know I’ve read hundreds of thousands of your words on the topic, and I can’t put my finger on a single actual argument you’ve ever made about why this coach should be exempt from responsibility for the performance of the team he built. Honestly, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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    #31648
    zn
    Moderator

    But IF WE HAVE THE TALENT … then that makes the continuing failure even more damning of the coaching staff.

    I don’t agree, though, for this reason. New offense. The way I see it, they had a viable OL and a starting qb in 2013. I think they would have turned the corner in 2014, but the combination of injury problems on the OL and losing the qb meant that came up short. On top of it Schott left. That’s a triple whammy. So with a new coordinator, new QB, and new OL, essentially (the way I see it) they re-started the clock. They hit re-set. One such change wouldn’t lead to the the “re-set problem” but 3 can’t help but do that, no matter who the coach is. At a minimum, I would say that they can’t be judged by the 1st 3 games.

    I don’t think any of that is coaching.

    My bet is that we see the fruits of all this change in the 2nd season after the bye.

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