old & new power rankings…through Week 8

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  • #30703
    zn
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    #30704
    Zooey
    Participant

    So.

    The Rams ranked the 3rd best in the NFC.

    Seems a little…optimistic.

    #30705
    zn
    Moderator

    So.

    The Rams ranked the 3rd best in the NFC.

    Seems a little…optimistic.

    I get your hesitation, what with you being a lifelong Raiders fan and all, but an actual real Rams fan would say “why are they ranked so low?”

    But then as I said I get why you can’t see this the right way, not being a Rams fan and all.

    .

    #30716
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    No way the Colts belong in the top 6 after the beatdown they got.

    Even though zooey’s just a Raider fan and as such should be considered clinically insane, he does have a point about the Rams.

    Beat the burgundy and yellow team on the road and then come back and beat the Steelers at home and I’ll believe they belong in conversations about the top ten.

    #30717
    Herzog
    Participant

    No way the Colts belong in the top 6 after the beatdown they got.

    Even though zooey’s just a Raider fan and as such should be considered clinically insane, he does have a point about the Rams.

    Beat the burgundy and yellow team on the road and then come back and beat the Steelers at home and I’ll believe they belong in conversations about the top ten.

    Even a top ten team could lose one of those games

    #30718
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    No way the Colts belong in the top 6 after the beatdown they got.

    Even though zooey’s just a Raider fan and as such should be considered clinically insane, he does have a point about the Rams.

    Beat the burgundy and yellow team on the road and then come back and beat the Steelers at home and I’ll believe they belong in conversations about the top ten.

    Even a top ten team could lose one of those games

    True, the Rams could lose one of those games and still finish the season in the top 10.

    But what evidence do we have to say they belong in the top 10 at this early stage of the season unless they beat both of those teams?

    #30721
    rfl
    Participant

    Taken as a snap shot of where teams are right now …

    No way we should be ranked ahead of AZ. They did the business last year until finally running out of QBs. And they’ve started strong this year.

    We are not where they are. Not yet.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #30722
    Herzog
    Participant

    No way the Colts belong in the top 6 after the beatdown they got.

    Even though zooey’s just a Raider fan and as such should be considered clinically insane, he does have a point about the Rams.

    Beat the burgundy and yellow team on the road and then come back and beat the Steelers at home and I’ll believe they belong in conversations about the top ten.

    Even a top ten team could lose one of those games

    True, the Rams could lose one of those games and still finish the season in the top 10.

    But what evidence do we have to say they belong in the top 10 at this early stage of the season unless they beat both of those teams?

    True, not much yet. But, hey, somebody thinks we’re pretty darn good.

    #30728
    Zooey
    Participant

    Yeah, I tend to think the Rams have to beat both Washington and Pittsburgh. There was an earlier conversation about what 2-0 would mean, and how the WA game is the biggest game in a while, but I just thought that – if the Rams beat WA – the Pitt game becomes an even bigger one. If they win their first three games, they can be ranked up there.

    But his USA Today thing is based on total projection rather than history. Which if fine, you know, but pardon me for being skeptical.

    The Rams right now shouldn’t be rated above Arizona, Dallas, San Francisco, maybe Philadelphia…I don’t know. I can see SF dropping because they had an Awful offseason, but the word from inside is that they are significantly more united as teammates than they have been in a few years, and they have a good attitude, and so on. I don’t think that can compensate for everyone they lost, but I don’t think they should have been dropped all the way down to 28 to start the season.

    #30730
    Dak
    Participant

    The Rams match up well with Seattle. They did well at their home opener. It’s one game. So, yeah, 1-0 is good, but if it’s 1-2 in 3 weeks, the sky is falling.

    Having said that, I have to believe that this offense, with Foles, is way better than last year’s offense and this team should compete for the playoffs this year as long as their defense is as good as advertised.

    #30733
    wv
    Participant

    Personally, I dont like waiting until one full game has passsed
    to rank teams.

    I think teams should be ranked after the first quarter
    of the first game. And then I’d like to see a new
    media-ranking after each quarter.

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    v

    #30734
    Zooey
    Participant

    Personally, I dont like waiting until one full game has passsed
    to rank teams.

    I think teams should be ranked after the first quarter
    of the first game. And then I’d like to see a new
    media-ranking after each quarter.

    w
    v

    I like that idea. Live Rankings. Every time something happens, a team can slide up or down. It could be a pop out, or a scroll along the bottom that flashes. I’ve always said there just isn’t enough glitz and shiny stuff when I watch football.

    My big concern at the moment is that all our pirate feeds have been shut down, and I may not see the game. Why, oh why, can’t I just stream the game I want to watch?

    #30736
    Dak
    Participant

    Not only should there be a live stream of updated NFL power rankings, but also a live feed of @NFLPowerRankings Tweets.

    #30747
    zn
    Moderator

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/game?gameId=400791675

    According to ESPN’s Football Power Index, the Rams have a 54% chance to defeat the Redskins Sunday. FPI currently favors the Rams in 6 of their next 8 games.

    #30753
    Zooey
    Participant

    Okay, enough already.

    This is weird.

    It’s like…the national media are all just taking it for granted that the Rams are good. How did this happen all of a sudden?

    Back in ’99, they had to go through various stages to arrive at Acceptance that the Rams were good: denial, they’re lucky, they haven’t played anybody, running up the score against bad teams, whatever.

    This is just weird. A lot of the heads picked the Rams to beat Seattle, and now they’re #9 in USA Today, and all these guys are giving the Rams the WA game, like they are taking it for granted, “Yeah, the Rams are a good, solid football team.” They aren’t even being called “up-and-coming” or anything. You would think the Rams were in the playoffs the last couple of years.

    #30896
    wv
    Participant

    Okay, enough already.

    This is weird.

    It’s like…the national media are all just taking it for granted that the Rams are good. How did this happen all of a sudden?

    Back in ’99, they had to go through various stages to arrive at Acceptance that the Rams were good: denial, they’re lucky, they haven’t played anybody, running up the score against bad teams, whatever.

    This is just weird. A lot of the heads picked the Rams to beat Seattle, and now they’re #9 in USA Today, and all these guys are giving the Rams the WA game, like they are taking it for granted, “Yeah, the Rams are a good, solid football team.” They aren’t even being called “up-and-coming” or anything. You would think the Rams were in the playoffs the last couple of years.

    ————————

    Well, I think we all know,
    none of this zany-hoopla means anything,
    until, RFL is on board.

    w
    v

    #31039
    zn
    Moderator

    Okay, amended power rankings, though this is ESPN:

    Rams drop to No. 19 in ESPN NFL Power Rankings

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/21653/rams-drop-to-no-19-in-espn-nfl-power-rankings

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams were one of the biggest risers in last week’s ESPN NFL Power Rankings, jumping eight spots from No. 22 to No. 14. That came after a big win against the Seattle Seahawks in Week 1 and was the second-largest jump in the league.

    Well, after a disappointing 24-10 loss to the Washington Redskins this week, the Rams took a pretty big hit as they fell five spots from No. 14 to No. 19. While Power Rankings are not an exact science, it’s here that you can see the Rams’ up-and-down history come to life. The rollercoaster nature of an inconsistent team from week to week is easy to see in the big leap one week and sizable drop the following week.

    Washington entered Sunday’s game at No. 29 in the Power Rankings and jumped six spots to No. 23 this week after beating the Rams.

    Now, the Rams find themselves with a string of three difficult games against teams ranked in the top four of this week’s Power Rankings. It starts this week against No. 4 Pittsburgh, followed by trips to play No. 3 Arizona and No. 2 Green Bay.

    Finding a win any of those games figures to be tough and it wouldn’t surprise if the Rams continue to tumble over the next few weeks. But if they can somehow find a way to win two of those three contests, they’ll likely soar on this list.

    #31440
    zn
    Moderator

    Rams hold steady at No. 19 in Power Rankings

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/21925/rams-hold-steady-at-no-19-in-power-rankings

    The St. Louis Rams didn’t budge from their spot at No. 19 in the ESPN NFL Power Rankings after their 12-6 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

    In some ways, that’s probably fitting for a team with an offense that hasn’t moved much in the past two weeks, either. After riding the wave the first two weeks by jumping eight spots on the heels of a home win against Seattle and then dropping five spots last week after losing to the Washington Redskins, it’s clear that most of the voting panel is getting a handle on just what these Rams are.

    Frankly, they are who we thought they were through the first three weeks. Which is to say a team with a talented (if not yet consistent) defense and an offense that isn’t producing enough points to stack victories. Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Monday that his team is just a few plays away from being 3-0. Of course, the Rams are also a play or two from being 0-3. Such is life in the NFL.

    Of course, the Rams could very well be headed for another tumble in these rankings over the next two weeks. This week, they play at No. 2 Arizona and they follow with a trip to play No. 3 Green Bay.

    For now, sitting at No. 19 is probably a pretty good spot for the Rams. They’ve been mostly middle of the pack in all three previous seasons under Fisher, and unless the offense can find a rhythm sooner than later, they look to be headed that way again.

    #31446
    Dak
    Participant

    No. 19 seems about right.

    #31453
    zn
    Moderator

    from off the net

    LMU93

    FootballOutsiders: Cardinals #1 this week..

    They have Arizona rated as the #1 team in the league through three weeks. 3rd best offense, 3rd best defense, 5th special teams…

    Rams are 17th overall (21st on offense, 8th defense, 8th special teams).

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2015/week-3-dvoa-ratings

    Foles is rated 15th among 32 starting QBs.
    Britt 14th out of 74 ranked WRs (Austin 70th).
    Cook and Kendricks 18th and 28th, respectively, among 40 ranked TEs.
    The Rams OL is rated 29th in run blocking, 16th in pass protection.
    The Rams DL 11th vs. the run, 1st in pass rush.

    #31455
    wv
    Participant

    Foles is rated 15th among 32 starting QBs.
    Britt 14th out of 74 ranked WRs (Austin 70th).
    Cook and Kendricks 18th and 28th, respectively, among 40 ranked TEs.
    The Rams OL is rated 29th in run blocking, 16th in pass protection.
    The Rams DL 11th vs. the run, 1st in pass rush.

    It really is interesting that the young, strong,
    Rams Olinemen, have not been able to create
    running lanes.

    Why is that, exactly?
    They are healthy, they are big,
    they are strong… ?

    I expected trouble, early
    in the pass-pro.

    w
    v

    #31457
    Dak
    Participant

    Foles is rated 15th among 32 starting QBs.
    Britt 14th out of 74 ranked WRs (Austin 70th).
    Cook and Kendricks 18th and 28th, respectively, among 40 ranked TEs.
    The Rams OL is rated 29th in run blocking, 16th in pass protection.
    The Rams DL 11th vs. the run, 1st in pass rush.

    It really is interesting that the young, strong,
    Rams Olinemen, have not been able to create
    running lanes.

    Why is that, exactly?
    They are healthy, they are big,
    they are strong… ?

    I expected trouble, early
    in the pass-pro.

    w
    v

    Maybe it’s technique. They’re still learning how to function as NFL linemen. And, maybe teams are still concentrating on stopping the Rams’ running game because they don’t respect the passing game. It is promising that they’re doing OK on pass blocking, although they’re not setting the world on fire there, either.

    #31878
    zn
    Moderator

    LMU93

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2015/week-4-dvoa-ratings

    FootballOutsiders: Rams ranked 13th after 4 weeks

    21st in offense
    8th in defense
    6th in special teams

    Nick Foles ranked 14th out of 34 QBs.

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    PFT’s Week Five power rankings

    Mike Florio

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/06/pfts-week-five-power-rankings/

    1. Patriots (3-0; last week No. 1): The bye week, the one weekend of the year when the Patriots definitely won’t win.

    2. Packers (4-0; No. 2): When they envisioned finally beating the 49ers, they likely assumed the 49ers would be a little bit better than they currently are.

    3. Broncos (4-0; No. 3): Peyton Manning should be very glad he’ll never have to face the Denver defense.

    4. Bengals (4-0; No. 5): They’re separating from the rest of the division; the next goal is to separate from the rest of the conference.

    5. Falcons (4-0; No. 6): Matt Ryan, Devonta Freeman, and Julio Jones are the new triplets.

    6. Cardinals (3-1; No. 4): We’ll know a lot more about this team after back-to-back games at Detroit and Pittsburgh.

    7. Panthers (4-0; No. 10): The schedule gets a lot tougher, soon.

    8. Seahawks (2-2; No. 9): Jimmy Graham doesn’t block in the running game. And the offensive line doesn’t block in the passing game.

    9. Jets (3-1; No. 14): The Jets hadn’t killed a coach this convincingly since Rich Kotite.

    10. Rams (2-2; No. 17): Sunday’s win over the Cardinals inevitably will be bookended by a loss to someone like the Browns.

    #31879
    Zooey
    Participant

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    PFT’s Week Five power rankings

    Mike Florio

    1. Patriots (3-0; last week No. 1): The bye week, the one weekend of the year when the Patriots definitely won’t win.

    2. Packers (4-0; No. 2): When they envisioned finally beating the 49ers, they likely assumed the 49ers would be a little bit better than they currently are.

    3. Broncos (4-0; No. 3): Peyton Manning should be very glad he’ll never have to face the Denver defense.

    4. Bengals (4-0; No. 5): They’re separating from the rest of the division; the next goal is to separate from the rest of the conference.

    5. Falcons (4-0; No. 6): Matt Ryan, Devonta Freeman, and Julio Jones are the new triplets.

    6. Cardinals (3-1; No. 4): We’ll know a lot more about this team after back-to-back games at Detroit and Pittsburgh.

    7. Panthers (4-0; No. 10): The schedule gets a lot tougher, soon.

    8. Seahawks (2-2; No. 9): Jimmy Graham doesn’t block in the running game. And the offensive line doesn’t block in the passing game.

    9. Jets (3-1; No. 14): The Jets hadn’t killed a coach this convincingly since Rich Kotite.

    10. Rams (2-2; No. 17): Sunday’s win over the Cardinals inevitably will be bookended by a loss to someone like the Browns.

    So the two teams the Rams lost to are rated below them, and the two teams they beat are rated above them.

    And that, in a nutshell, is our beloved Rams.

    #31880
    zn
    Moderator

    Note: see the previous post from me, which has other week 4 rankings.

    Rams rise in AP power rankings

    http://wtop.com/nfl/2015/10/rams-rise-in-ap-power-rankings-pats-pack-broncos-1-2-3/

    NEW YORK (AP) — The St. Louis Rams will get a better idea of how strong they really are in the AP Pro32 power rankings this weekend, when they visit the unbeaten Green Bay Packers.

    The Rams made the biggest jump in the latest power rankings, improving nine spots to No. 10 in voting by the 12 media members who regularly cover the NFL. St. Louis is 2-2 after handing Arizona its first loss of the season.

    “With victories over Seattle and Arizona already this season, the future is now for the young Rams,” voter Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News said.

    The New England Patriots, Packers and Denver Broncos remained 1-2-3 for the fourth week in a row, while the Atlanta Falcons moved up two spots to fourth.

    The Patriots had seven first-place votes and 379 points; the Packers five first-place votes and 377 points; and the Broncos 352 points. The Falcons, after their win over Houston, moved ahead of Cincinnati and Carolina. The top six teams are unbeaten.

    #31895
    wv
    Participant

    So the two teams the Rams lost to are rated below them, and the two teams they beat are rated above them.

    And that, in a nutshell, is our beloved Rams.

    ———————
    Well, i think they’ve turned the corner — which means,
    they will finally start losing to good teams
    and beating the bad teams.

    w
    v

    #31904
    Zooey
    Participant

    So the two teams the Rams lost to are rated below them, and the two teams they beat are rated above them.

    And that, in a nutshell, is our beloved Rams.

    ———————
    Well, i think they’ve turned the corner — which means,
    they will finally start losing to good teams
    and beating the bad teams.

    w
    v

    What is suddenly interesting is that, given the upcoming schedule, doing that would place them in playoff contention.

    #32303
    zn
    Moderator

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/13/pfts-week-six-power-rankings/

    12. Rams (previous = 10): With the intersection of an underground landfill fire and a radioactive dump not far from their practice facility, the Rams should spend their bye week in any place but St. Louis.

    #32310
    zn
    Moderator

    Rams slide to 17th in ESPN Power Rankings

    Nick Wagoner, ESPN Staff Writer

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/22474/rams-slide-to-17th-in-power-rankings

    The up and down St. Louis Rams continued their rollercoaster ride this week with a 24-10 loss to the Green Bay Packers.

    As you’d expect, that meant another dip in the Rams’ spot in this week’s ESPN NFL Power Rankings. After surging to No. 11 last week on the heels of knocking off then-No. 2 Arizona, the Rams dropped six spots back to No. 17 in this week’s edition.

    At 2-3, the Rams check in on the list behind the likes of San Diego, Minnesota, Philadelphia and Indianapolis. Of course, there’s no shame in losing to Green Bay, which held steady at No. 2 this week. And the Rams have wins against No. 6 Arizona and No. 8 Seattle.

    What will be more interesting is to see how the Rams fare coming out of this week’s bye. The first five games included contests against four teams ranked in the top nine. After the bye, the Rams will face Cleveland (No. 20), San Francisco (No. 25), Minnesota (No. 16), Chicago (No. 24) and Baltimore (No. 23) before playing a top-10 team again in No. 5 Cincinnati on Nov. 29.

    Before that, the Rams will spend this week doing some self-scouting and working to get things going on offense where they have yet to put together a complete performance.

    #32464
    zn
    Moderator

    from PFF POWER RANKINGS FOR WEEK 6

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/13/pff-power-rankings-for-week-6/

    15. St. Louis Rams

    Wide receiver Tavon Austin has forced seven player to miss tackles on his receptions, tied for eighth-most in the league. He’s the only player in the top 10 with fewer than 20 receptions. Last year, he only forced five players to miss tackles on his 32 receptions.

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