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  • #31303
    wv
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    I only saw the game up to the point Hekker
    missed the wide-open Stedman.
    At the point i had to stop, BigBen was about
    ten for ten and the Steelers offense looked
    like it was gonna score a lot of points.

    Defense must have tightened up, i guess,
    and of course Ben didnt play much in the second half.

    I dunno. I still think this team can be
    a ten win team. Call me crazy.

    I think they are close. But right now,
    the offense is just totally outclassed
    by purty much any competent D.

    One win, two losses — not the end of the world.

    One and three would be the end of the world though.

    So then, that there would mean…next week is a…
    …no, i cant say it.

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    #31304
    zn
    Moderator

    The defense did better after what you saw, even before BR got injured.

    The problem was the offense, which was doing things like false starting in the redzone.

    BUT the defense looked good enough so that you can expect wins when the offense settles down.

    Not kidding, that’s how it looks.

    It won’t be a great offense, but it should be enough for wins…WHEN it settles down.

    .

    #31305
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    This team just needs a major shake up. A team ” built to run the ball” that cannot run the ball. It was pathetic and the Steelers are not a good Defense at all. When you hold the number one Offense in the NFL to 12 pts.
    you need to win.

    #31307
    canadaram
    Participant

    It was good to see the defense turn things around. They gave up one longer run in the 2nd half, but were mostly solid vs the run.

    The Rams running game is shockingly bad. Whether they try to spread things out while running sideways before cutting up field, or just going straight up field it seems like defenses have guys waiting in the backfield as soon as the RB has the ball.

    Foles made a terrible decision to throw the ball on the INT, or he really didn’t see Allen, or both, or whatever.

    #31308
    wv
    Participant

    It was good to see the defense turn things around. They gave up one longer run in the 2nd half, but were mostly solid vs the run.

    The Rams running game is shockingly bad. Whether they try to spread things out while running sideways before cutting up field, or just going straight up field it seems like defenses have guys waiting in the backfield as soon as the RB has the ball.

    Foles made a terrible decision to throw the ball on the INT, or he really didn’t see Allen, or both, or whatever.

    Well, why do you think they can’t run the ball? Any ideas?
    Why cant they execute long drives using a balanced offensive attack?

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    v

    #31309
    zn
    Moderator

    why do you think they can’t run the ball? Any ideas?
    Why cant they execute long drives using a balanced offensive attack?

    IMO? New qb, new OL, new coordinator. They’re out of sync and don’t have much confidence yet and are easy to figure out. So one thing or another thing always goes wrong.

    #31310
    canadaram
    Participant

    Well, why do you think they can’t run the ball? Any ideas?
    Why cant they execute long drives using a balanced offensive attack?

    I’m going to go with a young offensive line that needs time to jell, or gel, or whatever. Maybe in the second half of the season things pick up.

    Seems like a lot of the breakdowns in the run game are happening between the tackles. I’d have to rewatch the game, but I don’t recall seeing any Rams blockers running picking up guys at the second level. LBs and DBs are making plays at the LOS too. I would have thought that Robinson or Havenstein would show some flashes as road graters, but they haven’t yet. Maybe the Rams running game is easy for defenses to read. All guesses on my part, obviously.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by canadaram.
    #31313
    wv
    Participant

    Anybody have anything to say about Gurley?

    Didn’t look very explosive from
    what little i saw.

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    #31314
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    that kendricks dropped td pass was a real heartbreaker.

    #31315
    wv
    Participant

    (On if the Rams had to go to a silent count due to opposing team crowd noise)
    “We did a little bit, down at the goal line. They travel great, they really travel great. So we welcome them. Hey, when the game started to swing in our favor, our fans got loud. So it’s good.”
    ———————–

    Are you kiddng me? They had to go to a silent count
    in their own building?

    Sigh

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    #31316
    wv
    Participant

    On if the false starts in the fourth quarter by the offensive line were possibly caused by the noise of the Steeler fans)

    Foles:“Yeah, I mean when we were in a red zone situation, it was getting pretty loud. They travel well. It’s a historic franchise. Everybody knows about their fans. You could probably go all around the world and there’s Steeler fans. They traveled well, but our fans were loud too throughout the day, so it was evenly matched. (I’m) thankful for our fans coming out as well.”

    (On if he felt like he was playing in a bowl game with the noise from both sets of fans)
    “Yeah, it is. It’s definitely a weird dynamic. It’s just something you deal with through the course of the game and just part of it.”
    ————————

    Unbelievable.

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    #31318
    Zooey
    Participant

    Well, I’m a broken record. After all three games, my main complaint is Foles’ inaccuracy.

    Stone hands don’t help, either.

    And Hekker…geez. That guy is going to get demoted to 4th string QB.

    #31319
    NERam
    Participant

    Anybody have anything to say about Gurley?

    Didn’t look very explosive from
    what little i saw.

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    v

    Washington vs. Rams, Rookie Matt Jones

     RUSHING ATT, YDS, TD, AVG
    M. Jones 19, 123, 2, 6.5

    Rams vs Steelers, Rookie Todd Gurley

    RUSHING ATT, YDS, TD, AVG
    T. Gurley 6, 9, 0, 1.5

    I am anxiously awaiting next week.

    #31320
    TrenchRam
    Participant

    Well, why do you think they can’t run the ball? Any ideas?
    Why cant they execute long drives using a balanced offensive attack?

    w
    v

    That one’s pretty easy. The OL can’t move anyone off the LOS. Suprisingly, they’re not bad in pass protection, but nobody is winning their individual battles when they run.

    GRob is really starting to look like Jason Smith, The Sequel.

    #31323
    PA Ram
    Participant

    A few thoughts:

    The defense came out slow once again–but adjusted much more quickly than the Washington game and they played an outstanding game holding a great offense to 12 points. It was a good game plan and I’m very impressed. Yes–you should win if you hold that team to 12 points–unfortunately they would have had to hold onto the interceptions and probably run them back because….

    There was no offense on the field today for the Rams. Oh there was offensive play–as in their play was offensive but just a terrible embarrassing display against a not so great defense. I kept thinking that our offense looked ….slow somehow. Pittsburgh’s defense seemed to be playing at twice the speed.

    This team–at least some players–I’m looking at you Jared Cook, Greg Robinson…just seems to have mental lapses where it seems like they aren’t really there. No focus. Gurley wasn’t ready for the speed of the game. That’s what it looked like–despite the fact that he had no holes. Mason actually made something out of nothing on some of his runs. Gurley can’t do that yet. But he needs to play. This is his pre-season, really.

    It looks like Nick Foles pre-season too, by the way. Maybe someone should tell him these games count because he hasn’t been playing like it the last two games. In all fairness though he is throwing to guys with bricks for hands.

    The offense is just a mess right now.

    The defense is playoff caliber.

    Add it up you may get to 7-9 or 8-8.

    Gurley will get better. But right now our most consistent threat is Tavon. He’s the one guy defenses have to worry about.

    Arizona is next.

    Not expecting a W there.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #31326
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    It seems we come out and things are tough. We start playing better and get back in the game. Then we seem to get over excited and start going nuts and making mistakes.

    Fisher’s strategy is to make less mistakes than the other guy. Fisher calls this a “Field Position Game”. Therefore any mistakes are magnified. imo

    Agamemnon

    #31328
    Zooey
    Participant

    Tavon has actually shut me up this year so far. He has been a very good complementary player.

    The problem is that so far there has been no one to complement.

    #31336
    bnw
    Blocked

    that kendricks dropped td pass was a real heartbreaker.

    Yes it was.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #31337
    bnw
    Blocked

    Anybody have anything to say about Gurley?

    Didn’t look very explosive from
    what little i saw.

    w
    v

    I agree. The O line didn’t look good too.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by bnw.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #31339
    bnw
    Blocked

    Tavon has actually shut me up this year so far. He has been a very good complementary player.

    The problem is that so far there has been no one to complement.

    I don’t know considering how high he was drafted and how long it has taken for him to be consistent but yes he has been productive for an unproductive offense.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #31342
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Anybody have anything to say about Gurley?

    Didn’t look very explosive from
    what little i saw.

    w
    v

    I think that is how he runs. He accelerates through the hole with his eyes down field. He just kind of trusts that the first guy won’t bring enough to get him down. Today they got him at the ankles. I think he can adjust a bit or it simply won’t happen as often.

    Agamemnon

    #31343
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Tavon has actually shut me up this year so far. He has been a very good complementary player.

    The problem is that so far there has been no one to complement.

    Tavon and Givins have definately improved their play. imo

    Agamemnon

    #31344
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    It is frustrating to think we could be 3-0. But the Washington lose upset me, this one, not near as much.

    Agamemnon

    #31345
    Zooey
    Participant

    It is frustrating to think we could be 3-0. But the Washington lose upset me, this one, not near as much.

    Well, prepare for 1-4 because that is where this is headed.

    #31357
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    I would prefer if they full on tanked and Fisher is sent packing.4 years is enough of this for me. The window on this defense won’t last forever and Fisher to me anyway seems like he’s got all the time in the world ,zero urgency.

    #31368
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Well, prepare for 1-4 because that is where this is headed.

    I am looking for wins the next 2 games. 😉

    We will get Quick and Pead back and Gurley will play.

    Agamemnon

    #31369
    zn
    Moderator

    We saw last week how much this offense is going to struggle.

    We saw this week how good the defense can be.

    So this week shows a lot more promise than last week.

    Heck most people had written off the Pitt. game in advance as a blow-out.

    Cigz and Boras are new at this, the OL is far more inexperienced than most anyone can name and I mean in NFL history, and I said before the season that Foles would need at least decent OL play and a running game to play well. That means a struggling offense.

    (Actually what I said was that Foles would need a relatively healthy OL and a running threat. But the point is that a line with multiple simultaneous injuries cannot play effectively, and since a young OL with 2 rookies and a green LOT can’t play effectively … at first … either, it’s 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.)

    So the defensive play was encouraging. The offense in the redzone when they could have taken the game? Annoying. (Especially since redzone offense was previously a strength with this team, except when Hill was qb.)

    When I see a mix of encouraging and disappointing things, I just ask which one looks structural and longterm. Are the disappointing things incurable? My answer is no. Are the encouraging things ephemeral or real? I say real.

    Unless some key injuries de-rail them I still see a winning season.

    #31370
    joemad
    Participant

    i just looked up 3rd down conversion rates……. I can’t believe there are 3 teams worse than the Rams in 3rd down conversions….(Philly, Tampa, and KC)

    Sometimes I think the Rams should punt on 3rd down…, they cannot move the friggin chains…

    I agree with a lot on this thread…
    a) Foles is not that accurate,
    b) New line and QB need to gel…
    c) when will Kendricks learn to consistently catch a friggin ball?

    I can’t recall seeing a team not capitalize on so many opportunities like the Rams blew yesterday….they had their chances to win…. but just can’t execute on fundamentals..

    3rd down stats: URL – http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by joemad.
    #31372
    zn
    Moderator

    c) when will Kendricks learn to consistently catch a friggin ball?

    One small disagreement. Kendricks has led them in catch percentage for a couple of years. (That’s if memory serves. I do know that in 2014 he had the highest catch percentage among Rams TEs and WRs with more than 20 targets. That’s not memory, that;s just fact. But beyond that, I think…based just on memory…that’s true of 2013, too.) He learned to catch the ball a while back. His catch against Seattle sealed a win.

    It was one bad play by a player who has been catching the ball well for a few years now.

    #31374
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I thought that they were extremely predictable running on 1st down.

    I quickly looked at a drive chart and 8 out of 9 times on their first couple of possessions they ran on 1st down.

    Steelers were waiting for it every time.

    I also don’t know why they didn’t try some more screens.

    Their plan seemed pretty boring and predictable—which is fine if you have the guys who are handling the defense and enforce their will. That didn’t happen.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

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