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I am just realizing Goff essentially cost the Rams nine draft picks:
- Four first-round pick (2016,2017, 2022, 2023)
- Two second-round picks (2016, 2016)
- Three third-round picks (2016, 2017, ?)
Six on the way in and three to unload him.
He seems like a nice guy, so I wish him well, but ouch.
I don’t think McVay is envious per se, but he knows what he has.
In looking at the eight QBs for teams that made this round of the playoffs, where would you put Goff? I think it would be hard to argue that Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, and Brees aren’t in a completely different tier than Goff. At best you might say Allen, Mayfield and Jackson are even, but I’m not sure. Its just disappointing. The OL is clearly a huge priority, but I don’t see Goff ever reaching the level of those top QBs and we sure did dedicate that level of cap to the position.
All this said, we are stuck with him, and at a minimum I will concede he is better than average, so replacing him with an upgrade, given the lack of picks and cap is going to be impossible, so my opinion is moot.
His consistency, with turning over the ball, spans two seasons not just one game. So OL, yeah I would say that’s an area of improvement, especially yesterday, but its a second place for me.
It doesn’t explain his sliding a yard short of a first down, or the couple of times he seemed unwilling to run up a gap when nothing was available, or most of all that that god awful decision to throw the ball to Diggs. There was nowhere near enough pressure to explain his decision making on that play.
Also, Wilson has been pressured far more over the course of the season than Goff. Yesterday, he was sacked more and hit just as many times, and yet still he put together two TD drives where Goff came away with nothing.
Quandre Diggs with a smooth interception 💯💯@NFL | #Seahawks pic.twitter.com/AK6bcMgHv8
— FanSided (@FanSided) December 27, 2020
Of course the QB is going to be scrutinized. In looking at other “playoff caliber” QBs, how does Goff compare to any of the seven QBs that have already clinched a playoff spot for their teams (Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Wilson, Mahomes, Roethlisberger, Allen)? Is he better than any of them? Would you not take every single one of these other QBs over Goff if you could? My frustration is that Goff’s agent negotiated a top 3-6 QB salary for five or so seasons, and we are getting nowhere near top 3-6 QB play. Are we even getting top half play?
Another perspective, in looking at all the major financial bets that the Rams have made in shaping this team, across all positions, which player is playing worse in their defined role, or having a greater impact on the Rams ability to win at a high level this season?
Top Cap Hits 2020
- Jared Goff – $28.8MM
- Aaron Donald – $25.0MM
- Tyler Higbee – $9.1MM
- Robert Woods – $8.4MM
- Leonard Floyd – $6.7MM
- Andrew Whitworth – $6.6MM
- Rob Havenstein – $6.2MM
- Jalen Ramsey – $6.2MM
- Johnny Hekker – $4.7MM
- Troy Hill – $4.4MM
- Austin Blythe – $4.0MM
- Michael Brockers – $3.8MM
- Cooper Kupp – $3.4MM
- John Johnson – $2.3MM
- Josh Reynolds – $2.3MM
- Samson Ebukam – $2.3MM
Whitworth is injured, but other than that, who among these high rollers has been more disappointing?
I know no one wants to hear complaints, but I have grievances…
That was Jared Goff's 23rd game with a turnover since the start of last season, the most in the NFL, per @ESPNStatsInfo
— Lindsey Thiry (@LindseyThiry) December 27, 2020
Do we not have a backup QB? I mean outside of the shit play and having more turn overs than any player in the last two seasons… this alone…
again, not how normal thumbs look pic.twitter.com/n3A8WsalTn
— Darnell Mooney appreciator (@TrainIsland) December 27, 2020
I was imprecise in what I thought was meaningless. The ability to pull off comebacks is ultimately important, and the QB plays a key role in that ability. What I think is meaningless is the statistic of # of game winning drives, as a pure number or % frequency. Certain QBs are just presented with fewer opportunities to come from behind. My position is Goff is not a good QB when behind and the QB needs to step up—I believe his performance is pretty below average when faced with adversity.
2020 When Behind by 1-8 Points
1. Deshaun Watson (Houston Texans), 134.4 QBR, 9 TDs, 0 INT
2. Baker Mayfield (Cleveland Browns), 132.6 QBR, 10 TDs, 1 INT
3. Russell Wilson (Seattle Seahawks), 127.3 QBR, 9 TDs, 2 INT
4. Taysom Hill (New Orleans Saints), 121.6 QBR, 6 TDs, 1 INT
5. Gardner Minshew (Jacksonville Jaguars), 115.6 QBR, 8 TDs, 2 INT
6. Patrick Mahomes (Kansas City Chiefs), 111.5 QBR, 8 TDs, 1 INT
7. Matthew Stafford (Detroit Lions), 105 QBR, 3 TDs, 0 INT
8. Derek Carr (Las Vegas Raiders), 103.4 QBR, 5 TDs, 2 INT
9. Tom Brady (Tampa Bay Buccaneers), 103.1 QBR, 9 TDs, 1 INT
10. Ben Roethlisberger (Pittsburgh Steelers), 102.7 QBR, 8 TDs, 1 INT
11. Aaron Rodgers (Green Bay Packers), 102.6 QBR, 4 TDs, 0 INT
12. Justin Herbert (Los Angeles Chargers), 102.1 QBR, 8 TDs, 4 INT
13. Philip Rivers (Indianapolis Colts), 100.9 QBR, 5 TDs, 3 INT
14. Kirk Cousins (Minnesota Vikings), 100.3 QBR, 6 TDs, 3 INT
15. Josh Allen (Buffalo Bills), 98.9 QBR, 5 TDs, 1 INT
16. Dak Prescott (Dallas Cowboys), 96.4 QBR, 4 TDs, 3 INT
17. Jimmy Garoppolo (San Francisco 49ers), 93.9 QBR, 1 TDs, 0 INT
18. Lamar Jackson (Baltimore Ravens), 92.7 QBR, 2 TDs, 1 INT
19. Kyler Murray (Arizona Cardinals), 90.5 QBR, 4 TDs, 1 INT
20. Mitchell Trubisky (Chicago Bears), 89.8 QBR, 1 TDs, 0 INT
21. Teddy Bridgewater (Carolina Panthers), 87.2 QBR, 4 TDs, 4 INT
22. Carson Wentz (Philadelphia Eagles), 84.6 QBR, 6 TDs, 3 INT
23. Ryan Tannehill (Tennessee Titans), 80.6 QBR, 3 TDs, 3 INT
24. Jared Goff (Los Angeles Rams), 79.2 QBR, 2 TDs, 3 INT
25. Cam Newton (New England Patriots), 76.4 QBR, 1 TDs, 3 INT
26. Daniel Jones (New York Giants), 74.6 QBR, 3 TDs, 4 INT
27. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Miami Dolphins), 74.4 QBR, 1 TDs, 3 INT
28. Sam Darnold (New York Jets), 65.3 QBR, 1 TDs, 1 INT
29. Matt Ryan (Atlanta Falcons), 60.1 QBR, 0 TDs, 4 INT
30. Drew Lock (Denver Broncos), 57.8 QBR, 1 TDs, 3 INT
31. Alex Smith (Washington Football Team), 54.5 QBR, 1 TDs, 3 INT
32. Brandon Allen (Cincinnati Bengals), 25.9 QBR, 0 TDs, 1 INTI recognize that no one is saying Goff is having good year in the clutch in 2020, but I don’t think he was much better last year and I could not find career based situational stats.
Also, on the Game Winning drive front I am not sure its a measurable/meaningful stat, because the context of does your team get behind in the first place is important. For example, Kurt Warner only had 4 in 50 starts with the Rams (8%), but I would take him in the clutch over Goff every time. Bulger had 16 out of 95 starts (17%).
In the division:
Goff has 8 GWDs in 65 starts (12%)
Russell Wilson has 30 in 138 starts (22%)
Jimmy Garappolo has 7 in 32 starts (22%)
Kyler Murray has 5 in 27 starts (19%)Heck, former Rams back up Blake Bortles has 8 in 73 starts (11%)
QBs with a similar number of starts include:
Mariota has 15 in 61 starts (25%)
Dak Prescott has 15 in 69 starts (22%)
Nick Foles has 12 in 55 starts (22%)
Deshaun Watson has 10 in 48 starts (21%)
Baker Mayfield has 7 in 40 starts (18%)
Jameis Winston has 11 in 70 starts (16%)
Mitchell Trubisky has 7 in 45 starts (16%)
Wentz has 10 in 66 starts (15%)
Patrick Mahomes has 6 in 42 starts (14%)Current active leaders
Drew Brees has 53 in 283 starts (19%)
Tom Brady has 47 in 295 starts (16%)https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm
I guess my point is, Being clutch is more of a gut feel and I don’t think Goff is known as a QB who is know for his grit and determination to carry a team in adversity.
