Kupp: injury setback

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  • August 31, 2023 at 7:16 pm #145098
    zn
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    “Setback” for Cooper Kupp with the hamstring, says Sean McVay. And he will be day to day.

    August 31, 2023 at 7:16 pm #145099
    zn
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    August 31, 2023 at 11:16 pm #145103
    canadaram
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    In years where my expectations for the Rams are low, one of my survival techniques is to ride the wave of individual players having great years. Steven Jackson got me through some pretty lean times. I’m planning on Kupp getting me through 2023, looks like this injury could foil this plan.

    September 1, 2023 at 1:07 am #145104
    RamsMaineiac
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    Ethan Evans is your best bet.

    September 1, 2023 at 7:15 am #145106
    canadaram
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    RamsMaineiac wrote:

    Ethan Evans is your best bet.

     

    Yeah, I will probably put my eggs in that basket. Hekker’s glory years are still pretty fresh in my mind so it might be difficult to really enjoy any success that Evans experiences, however.

    September 2, 2023 at 7:15 pm #145121
    zn
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    Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
    #Rams star WR Cooper Kupp is in Minnesota today visiting with a noted body specialist to further understand his hamstring issue, sources say. With two pulls in one summer, the hope is to fully comprehend the root of the issue. Coach Sean McVay has described him as “day-to-day.”
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    Rams WR Cooper Kupp visiting specialist in Minnesota to further understand hamstring issue

    Bobby Kownack

    https://www.nfl.com/news/rams-wr-cooper-kupp-visiting-body-specialist-in-minnesota-to-further-understand-

    Cooper Kupp is getting an extra look at his hamstring a weekend before the NFL season kicks off.

    The star Rams wide receiver is in Minnesota today visiting with a body specialist to further understand the root of his injury, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per sources.

    Kupp first suffered the hamstring injury in a practice on Aug. 1, when he pulled up during a route and left the session. The Rams described him as day to day, but the All-Pro then closed August with a setback.

    Although head coach Sean McVay again characterized Kupp as day to day following the subsequent hamstring issue, it is unclear whether or not the WR will be able to return for Los Angeles’ Week 1 opener against the Seahawks.

    Rapoport also reported that exercising caution for that matchup is the likely outcome — but he mentioned there remains no firm word on his status.

    September 3, 2023 at 5:49 pm #145124
    wv
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    To state the obvious, I think they could steal some games here and there without Kupp, but on a week to week basis?   They cant win consistently without him.   I just dont see how.  Stafford relies on him so much.  I mean, they share the same brain out there.  Cant replace that.  Cant game plan around a loss like that.

    fuck.

     

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    September 3, 2023 at 11:02 pm #145127
    InvaderRam
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    wv wrote:

    Cant replace that.  Cant game plan around a loss like that.

     

    you can’t. although i’m hoping this gives the rams a chance to evaluate their other receivers until he gets back.

    September 4, 2023 at 7:27 pm #145131
    zn
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    “A little bit different outside of the framework of a soft tissue” is what sticks out to me, matches with why you’d go see a specialist, and sounds like we may have more clarity when McVay speaks to reporters on Weds after Kupp returns from Minnesota.

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    September 6, 2023 at 7:26 pm #145142
    joemad
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    Kupp is out in week 1

    it wasn’t long ago when the Rams had depth at WR.

    Kupp, Woods, Cooks, Josh Reynolds, etc…..

    Now it’s time for Van Jefferson,  Skowronek  to step up…. … Tutu and Puka need to grow up fast.

     

    September 6, 2023 at 9:24 pm #145144
    zn
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    September 6, 2023 at 9:36 pm #145146
    zn
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    September 6, 2023 at 9:38 pm #145147
    zn
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    September 6, 2023 at 9:45 pm #145148
    zn
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    joemad wrote:

    Kupp is out in week 1 it wasn’t long ago when the Rams had depth at WR. Kupp, Woods, Cooks, Josh Reynolds, etc….. Now it’s time for Van Jefferson, Skowronek to step up…. … Tutu and Puka need to grow up fast.

    Well I never had that much love for Cooks. It seems to me that Skowronek offers as much as Reynolds did if not more. They said all camp that Atwell is upping his game so we’ll see about him. Jefferson definitely needs to step up a notch…but you know, contract year. All summer there’s been talk about the TEs–so maybe they have a direct effect on the gameplan and where Stafford looks.

    They are better off with Kupp, as we all know, but they might be able to pull off a passing game with what they have.

    September 7, 2023 at 10:35 am #145152
    zn
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    Rams’ Cooper Kupp out Week 1 vs. Seahawks with hamstring injury

    By Jourdan Rodrigue

    https://theathletic.com/4839533/2023/09/06/cooper-kupp-injury-week-1/

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Los Angeles Rams receiver Cooper Kupp will be out Sunday against the Seattle Seahawks, coach Sean McVay said, adding that Kupp’s availability past that time is still unknown.

    The Rams could place Kupp on injured reserve, which would require him to miss at least four games, but McVay said Wednesday they may not have to do that.

    “As far as like a timetable, it could be anywhere between if we decide to put him on IR, or it could be a couple weeks,” McVay said. “I know he wants to be out there badly, and we want him to be out there but we don’t want to rush it, either.”

    Kupp has been dealing with a hamstring issue since the beginning of training camp.

    Kupp sought an evaluation from a specialist in Minnesota last weekend, a league source said. McVay later confirmed the appointment in a news conference Monday. Kupp and the Rams wanted more clarity about the nature of the issue he has had with his hamstring, which McVay said “doesn’t fall in alignment with some of the things that have ended up occurring relative to the standard strains of the hamstring, just based on what’s occurred over the last month and a half.”

    McVay said last Thursday that Kupp had suffered a “setback” in his recovery from the initial injury he had in the first week of training camp. He confirmed Wednesday that the situation is the same issue, not separate strains/pulls.

    McVay did not clarify what type of specialist Kupp was seeing. However, he did say that the Rams, that specialist and Kupp are trying to understand whether the issue is indeed a soft-tissue injury, or potentially related to a nerve issue.

    “There’s just a lot of ‘gray’ behind this,” he said. “I’m not a doctor, so I can’t really answer anything more about that. I just know that it doesn’t follow the standard protocol for when you’re re-aggravating a soft-tissue injury. Trying to continue to get a grasp on exactly what it is …

    “It’s trying to just figure out what’s going on with him. We’re trying to open up every avenue in regards to trying to figure out what’s going on, why is he feeling some of the sensations and things like that in his hamstring.”

    Kupp had returned to practice on Aug. 21 and practiced through that week, including in Denver for joint practices with the Broncos.

    Without Kupp, Van Jefferson steps into the No. 1 receiver role, while Tutu Atwell and Puka Nacua become Nos. 2 and 3. Depth receiver Ben Skowronek would likely have played more on special teams this season than in the offense, but if Kupp is absent into the season he knows each receiving position as well. The Rams signed veteran receiver Demarcus Robinson to a one-year deal this offseason as well.

    The Rams also kept four tight ends this year, led by veteran Tyler Higbee, but may only have three available in the coming weeks. Hunter Long is also out on Sunday as he deals with a hamstring issue. Long missed the entirety of training camp with a thigh/groin injury.

    “You wish (Kupp) was able to go, but I’ve got a lot of confidence in the guys,” McVay said. “This is something that we probably thought was going to be the situation for a while now. This isn’t anything new to us. Rather just put it to bed, not have to continue to answer questions. Want to be able to get Cooper back when he is ready to go. In the meantime, a lot of guys have gotten a great chance to develop, establish a rapport with Matthew (Stafford) and the rest of the group.”

    Kupp, 30, had over one-third of the Rams’ target share in 2022, before he suffered a season-ending ankle injury after nine games. He had his ankle surgically repaired and was cleared to participate fully at the start of training camp this summer, and did so until the initial hamstring injury sidelined him a few days into those practices.

    Kupp’s specific role as the “F” receiver, as well as his significant amount of option routes, means the Rams’ pass game and even their run blocking system is dramatically altered. Having a healthy Kupp available with a healthy Stafford was a key point in the Rams’ belief that at least their offense could be competitive as they overhauled their defensive roster.

    September 7, 2023 at 4:11 pm #145153
    wv
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    “Without Kupp, Van Jefferson steps into the No. 1 receiver role, while Tutu Atwell and Puka Nacua become Nos. 2 and 3…”

     

    Good lord.    Van Jefferson is a no.3 WR, I’d say.

     

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    September 7, 2023 at 6:49 pm #145155
    Zooey
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    wv wrote:

    Good lord.    Van Jefferson is a no.3 WR, I’d say.

    At best. He certainly would have been behind Hakim in the GSOT.

    September 7, 2023 at 9:57 pm #145156
    zn
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    Zooey wrote:
    wv wrote:

    Good lord. Van Jefferson is a no.3 WR, I’d say.

    At best. He certainly would have been behind Hakim in the GSOT.

    That;s likely very true but let’s see if he steps up in a contract year. I don’t mean he will or even can become a #1, but maybe that combo of receivers plus the TEs can do so some good things.

    September 7, 2023 at 10:34 pm #145157
    InvaderRam
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    i foresee a lot of higbee this sunday. and akers.

    September 8, 2023 at 11:25 am #145159
    zn
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    i foresee a lot of higbee this sunday. and akers.

    More power football than we’ve seen from the McVay Rams. Plus of course remember who else had great camps–Hopkins and Allen. Maybe we see a lot of 12 personnel sets? TE might be a big deal this year? Which of course can help with the run game.

    So, more power football? Rodrigue talks about this, in a 9/7 article posted here: https://theramshuddle.com/topic/rodrigue-on-this-is-not-a-rebuild-per-se-the-draft-ol-2023-etc/#post-145151

    McVay’s agenda with his new offensive coaches and tenured staff was direct: He wanted to re-introduce physicality at the line of scrimmage, where in previous years the Rams had garnered a reputation for being a little more of a “finesse” group on that side of the ball. That would be the product of schematic changes in the run and passing game, but also personnel adjustments along the offensive line.

    And again having said all that, it’s still better to have Kupp.

     

    September 8, 2023 at 12:25 pm #145160
    wv
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    zn wrote:

    That;s likely very true but let’s see if he steps up in a contract year. I don’t mean he will or even can become a #1, but maybe that combo of receivers plus the TEs can do so some good things.

     

    Hard to say what Seattle will be this year.  Two mystery teams.  I expect a close game, down to the wire.

    Can the defense stop the run?   Can the Oline block?    Can McVay coach young players?

     

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    September 8, 2023 at 7:21 pm #145167
    zn
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue

    Rams WR Cooper Kupp is out Sunday while dealing with a hamstring situation that has “a lot of gray” to it. Team seeking more clarity, including possibility of nerve issue or indeed a soft-tissue injury.

    I asked about this today because it seemed notable that McVay said Monday the situation does not align with some of the things that happen “relative to a standard hamstring strain.” Something to keep an eye on..

    To be clear – saying here this response matches comments from earlier that the injury was a setback, not two separate incidents
    September 9, 2023 at 12:42 am #145168
    InvaderRam
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    zn wrote:

    And again having said all that, it’s still better to have Kupp.

     

    no doubt. and i agree about hopkins and allen. power football combined with stafford kupp? that could be very cool to see. and i’m excited to see what avila brings to the oline.

    September 9, 2023 at 3:35 am #145170
    zn
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    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/07/rams-cooper-kupp-hamstring-injury-sean-mcvay-normal-quote/?taid=64fbfbd92cc7830001dc28c0&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

    McVay says this wasn’t a black-and-white injury where it happens and the player recovers as expected. He said there’s “a lot of gray” with Kupp’s injury, which is why he was sent to a specialist in Minnesota.

    “It wasn’t the normal thing and there’s a lot of gray behind this,” McVay said. “I’m not a doctor, so I can’t really answer anything more about that. I just know that it doesn’t follow the standard protocol for when you’re reaggravating a soft tissue injury, trying to continue to get a grasp on exactly what it is so that he can get back to feeling like the Cooper that we know and love, and hopefully we’ll do that. As far as what that plan looks like, there’s a lot of information that goes way above my head that they’ve talked about. I think there’ll be some things that from a rehab procedure approach that he’ll start to implement, but it wasn’t like there was any sort of groundbreaking information when I sat down and got a chance to speak with Cooper this morning.”

    McVay isn’t expressing any level of panic with Kupp out, saying he has confidence in the receivers behind him. But there’s no replacing him or his production in the lineup. And surprisingly, McVay said this was a scenario the Rams saw as a possibility for a while, suggesting it wasn’t unexpected, so they’ve been preparing accordingly.

    “You wish he was able to go, but I got a lot of confidence in the guys,” McVay said. “This is something that we probably thought was going to be the situation for a while now so this isn’t anything new to us, but rather just put it to bed, not have to continue to answer questions. We want to be able to get Cooper back when he’s ready to go and in the meantime a lot of guys have been able to get a great chance to be able to develop, establish a rapport with Matthew (Stafford) and the rest of the group and looking forward to watching these guys compete on Sunday.”

    September 9, 2023 at 11:47 am #145171
    InvaderRam
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    health is the only thing keeping kupp from having a hof career.

     

    this will be the third season in seven that he will be dealing with a serious injury depending on how long he is out.

    September 9, 2023 at 12:37 pm #145173
    wv
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    Warner, Kupp, (now Stafford) etc.   Some elite Rams have had injury issues that kept fans from really getting to enjoy them.

     

    Makes ya appreciate Aaron Donald even more.   He had a long run of good health.

     

    There have been some Rams iron-men, havent there:  Steven Jackson comes to mind.  Of course Merlin had a ridiculous run.   Jackie Slater.

     

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    September 9, 2023 at 2:06 pm #145174
    zn
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    wv wrote:

    Warner, Kupp, (now Stafford) etc. Some elite Rams have had injury issues that kept fans from really getting to enjoy them. Makes ya appreciate Aaron Donald even more. He had a long run of good health. There have been some Rams iron-men, havent there: Steven Jackson comes to mind. Of course Merlin had a ridiculous run. Jackie Slater. w v

    Yeah good point. Plus Jack Youngblood (regular full-time starter from 1973-84).

    Deacon Jones, after becoming a full-time starter in 1962, missed only 5 games in 10 years and a total of 144 possible regular season starts.

    In 10 years, Torry Holt missed 14 out of a 160 possible regular season starts…but he did wear down (knee), and while only 14 missed games in 10 years is pretty good, it ain’t quite ironman territory.

    September 9, 2023 at 3:16 pm #145175
    InvaderRam
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    wv wrote:

    Makes ya appreciate Aaron Donald even more.   He had a long run of good health.

     

    yeah.  and why i was so shocked when last year his season was cut short.  made him seem mortal.

    September 9, 2023 at 5:41 pm #145180
    zn
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    October 2, 2023 at 9:40 am #145809
    Zooey
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