Herzog wrote:

Ok…. I’m officially worried. That dude was good

yeah. i’m not feeling too optimistic about next season.

zn wrote:

Morris’s Ds through the years

Tampa, defensive backs (coordinator was Monte Kiffin_

2007, ranked 2nd (3rd in points)
2008, ranked 9th (10th in points)

Tampa, as head coach

2009, ranked 27th (27th in points)
2010, ranked 17th (9th in points)
2011, ranked 30th (29th in points)

Washington, as secondary coach (coordinator was Jim Haslett)

2012, ranked 28th, (22nd in points)
2013, ranked 18th, (30th in points)
2014, ranked 20th (29th in points)

Atlanta, as Asst. HC/Def. Pass Gm. Coord. (coordinator was Richard Smith)

2015, ranked 16th (14th in points)’

Atlanta, defensive coordinator

2020, ranked 29th (19th in points)

not super-impressive.

JackPMiller wrote:

Stafford just turned 33. It is rare that QBs go into their 40s. At best, Stafford will retire in 4 years. That is a guess.

i think he needs at least five highly productive years with the rams before i can say it was a good trade.

wv wrote:

I dont always agree with Lavar Arrington,
but i always enjoy listening to his smooth, articulate perspective.

that was a very good listen.

made me think. the one thing that could appeal to jj watt. and if i was the rams’ front office this is how i would sell it if they really want to sign him. is the opportunity to play alongside aaron donald. two guys. two peers. very few players have ascended to the heights that these two players have reached. and the opportunity to not only play with one another. but to practice with one another day in and day out. to learn from each other. to push each other. well. that would be very special…

or you can go play with your brother in pittsburgh.

Billy_T wrote:

Thoughts on Watt?

i like the idea of signing him.

i’m not sure about whether the rams could afford him or if he would even want to come here.

one thing. jake keeps calling him marvin hall. at one point he says marvin jones but then erroneously corrects himself and says marvin hall.

that’s not marvin hall… that’s marvin jones… or am i wrong?

i wonder if stafford can recruit a center too. and some linebackers. and maybe even a defensive end…

Report: Marvin Jones, others interested in joining Matthew Stafford with Rams

Report: Marvin Jones, others interested in joining Matthew Stafford with Rams

Cameron DaSilva
February 7, 2021 12:54 pm
The Los Angeles Rams’ pending trade for Matthew Stafford could have a ripple effect in Southern California throughout the offseason. With the veteran quarterback set to join Sean McVay in Los Angeles, players could be interested in following him there, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter.

Schefter reported on Sunday that Stafford began to getting texts from players who were interested in joining him with the Rams.

Shortly after the Rams and Detroit Lions agreed to a trade that would send Matthew Stafford out west, the quarterback began receiving texts from players that wanted to come join him in Los Angeles, per sources.

One of the players who is expected to be interested in joining Stafford in Los Angeles is Marvin Jones Jr. He played the last five years of his career in Detroit with Stafford and is set to be a free agent in March.

The Rams aren’t flush with cap space, but they have methods of freeing up money so that they can go after players when the market opens on March 17. Jones is a dynamic receiver with deep speed to threaten safeties and corners, which is exactly what the Rams need.

Last season with the Lions, Jones caught 76 passes for 978 yards and nine touchdowns, matching his touchdown total from the 2019 campaign. In fact, in five seasons with Detroit, he caught 36 touchdown passes and had 4,296 yards.

zn wrote:

Report: Lions initially asked Rams for Aaron Donald in Matthew Stafford trade

for some reason it pisses me off that they would even have the balls to ask for aaron.

i know holmes comes from the rams and so maybe it was tongue in cheek. but still.

i’m seething right now.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 2 months ago by InvaderRam.

he got robbed. but i guess playing on an all-time great offense has hurt him a little bit. playing alongside faulk, warner, pace, and bruce maybe people just don’t notice you as much. plus he kind of tailed off at the end due to injuries.

i think he’ll eventually get in. he has to.

Cal wrote:

Anyways, from what I’ve seen, Stafford is a guy who will take chances trying to make plays & he will make mistakes. I don’t see how a 33 year old qb changes at this point of his career, especially playing behind the Rams o-line.

yeah. i’m skeptical. i’m not necessarily convinced either way. but i’m skeptical. either way it should be interesting.

Zooey wrote:

zn wrote:

New
@RamsNFL
QB Matthew Stafford has been one of the most efficient passers on play action over the last two seasons.

Since 2019, Stafford has generated the 2nd-most EPA on play action (+84.7) despite using play action at a below-average rate (23.5% of dropbacks).

Imagine how effective he could be if he had a running game.

this should be real interesting.

we always talk about how much a system makes a player. and how much the player makes the system.

nature vs nurture even.

the story is this is a super talented qb. not just physically. but mentally he’s got what you want in a pro qb as well. he’s just been stuck in a crappy situation.

how does he do when he’s got all that support around him? not just players but a system that should maximize his talents.

i’m interested to see how it goes.

by the way. steve young is of the opinion that stafford is a generational type player who’s been wasted by detroit. that’s a pretty strong statement.

detroit has had some great individual players who were never really able to transcend their circumstances and achieve team success. and they were never able to test waters with a different team.

should be fun to watch.

Zooey wrote:

If they succeed, they are going to be rewarded and if they fail, they will be replaced.

“fail in the most most beautiful way.”

hey. part of me is just like yeah. i appreciate it. i appreciate that they’re just going for it. and if it fails. then yeah. at least they went for it.

would it have been better if they could have done it with goff? yeah. i like him. i don’t know him personally. but i just like the guy. but i liked gurley too. i would have preferred that gurley was still here. it wasn’t going to happen if he was still here.

but if they fail, they’re gonna go out having shot their shot.

"If we can do it, wonderful. If not, then fail in the most beautiful way.”

Klopp's message to his team is clear 🔴 @LFCUSA pic.twitter.com/SQjQFXVOqY

— Bleacher Report Live (@brlive) May 7, 2019

well. i hope sean has that conversation with goff. i think it’ll happen. it should happen if mcvay is who i think he is.

and i still am not sure about the trade. i probably won’t be sure until about 11 months from now. and even then. i was looking forward to watching goff develop over the next 10+ years. i’ll probably observe from afar. but it’s not the same as watching him game in and game out. year in and year out.

Zooey wrote:

Carolina offered the #8 pick.

According to the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart, #8 is worth 1,400 points. Pick #26 is worth 700. So those two picks together are worth what Carolina offered.

See more in the SI article I just posted in the anchored Goff thread above. It’s an interesting read.

that was a good read. thanks.

yeah. assuming it goes the way the rams think it will, it’ll be more like goff and a high first rounder for stafford.

i really do worry about stafford though. to be frank i haven’t seen him play much. i do remember wanting him when he came out of college. out of this world cannon of an arm. but since he’s been in the league i haven’t really heard much about him. hasn’t won much of anything. that worries me. not the best analysis. he has been steady though for 12 years. hardly missed a game even though he gets little injuries here and there. been through multiple coaches and multiple systems, and he’s quietly put some huge numbers over the years.

huge mitts. 10″ hands…

and like that article says everyone who’s come into contact with stafford has nothing but positive things to say about him.

for me. he has to be substantially better than goff. like at least a full tier above goff. a full tier. and i’m not prepared to say that he is.

i also would like to see him play for the rams for at least 5 years. he’ll be 33 in 5 days, so that would put him at 37 years old in what would be his fifth year with the team. that’s definitely doable. and he could still be in his prime years. especially if they could do it at a cut rate salary.

but yeah. the trade is not as bad as it first seemed.