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InvaderRamModeratorAs for the price of Stafford, the more I thought about it, the more I became comfortable with it. As I’ve said before, not all 1st round picks are created equal. A lot of people treat them like a bag of Spanish doubloons, but the really valuable picks are in the top 7-10 picks typically. The Ram’s picks are going to be in the mid-to-late 20s where the guys chosen are rated in the same category with guys picked in the 2nd round.
true.
InvaderRamModeratorSo, are the Rams better or worse off cap-wise? Would most of this be true if they kept Goff?
also what does it look like in 22? do they continue taking cap hits?
also read that stafford doesn’t care about the money at this point and is willing to extend. does he take less and maybe restructure the contract or whatever it takes to make some cap room? am i even saying this correctly?
InvaderRamModeratorWill Stafford upgrade and open up the offense? I’d bet on yes. But enough to lose Goff, and three draft picks, two of them being First Rounders?
yeah. that’s what i’m wondering myself.
the way some people talk about him he’s the next brett favre.
we’ll see. it was a lot to give up.
i will say that some very respected football minds really do like him. bruce arians being one of them. that caught my attention. and apparently shanahan really wanted him too.
we’ll see.
InvaderRamModeratorThey need to think about left OT too IMO.
i’m more than a little worried.
i have no idea if whit comes back. i have no idea how they replace him if/when he does leave.
I’m gonna guess that there isn’t much of a plan here.
i was assuming a left tackle would be gotten in the draft – like with a first round pick…
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InvaderRamModeratorbruce arians loves stafford. absolutely loves him. and he should know something about qbs.
could he be an isaac bruce? a great player stuck on a crappy team. until he fell into the right situation and helped the team win a superbowl? i hope so.
InvaderRamModeratorOn the ‘falling out of love with his stars’ thing.
Todd Gurley had a 3.5 yard rushing average for the Falcons.
Gained less than 700 yards.I dont think McVay ‘fell out of love’ with Todd.
I think Todd hurt his knee.w
vyeah. i love gurley. but it was the right decision. if i had to criticize mcvay, it’s that he used gurley too much.
but falling out of love? i’m not buying it.
now that’s not to say that i agree with him on goff. we’ll see. but it’s possible that mcvay and snead were right to trade him. it’s gonna be a long 7 months.
InvaderRamModeratorthe vikings game sticks in my mind as well. one pass in particular during that game seemed to defy the laws of physics. he threw a pretty ball.
InvaderRamModeratorright now i’m thinking hey let’s see how stafford does with an actual running game.
maybe he has a carson palmer like resurgence toward the end of his career. he could potentially have another five years left in him.
also i feel sorry for goff. i wouldn’t wish the detroit lions on any player. he’s not gonna get much in the way of support with that organization.
InvaderRamModeratorHe is best when he gets to hold onto the ball for a little bit of time and uses his explosive arm to make incredible, wow throws.
ehhh… doesn’t sound like he’s a fast processor…
we’ll see.
InvaderRamModeratorI thought Goff was okay, and not the reason the Rams offense wasn’t better.
well. for me there were a multitude of ways the rams could have made the offense better. upgrading at qb was only one of them. and i don’t think it was the wisest choice. not for what they gave up.
unless mcvay really is right about goff. unless he really had to go to lengths to cover up goff’s deficiencies. i mean. i don’t think that’s the case.
i think we really won’t know the answer until a couple of years from now when the dust has settled.
I think McVay lost patience with Goff because it’s McVay’s nature to lose patience, not because of anything inherent to Goff.
i’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you. but what about mcvay leads you to believe that? outside of this goff situation that is.
InvaderRamModeratorI like Stafford’s game. He has arm talent is in excess of Goff’s. But, game in, game out, his track record is meh. Yeah, you can blame a lot of that on his surroundings. But not all of it.
yeah. it’ll be interesting to see. the narrative coming from the rams is that mcvay adjusted to goff, and it still wasn’t working. i don’t know. i really don’t.
and the narrative on stafford is that he’s been stuck on some really bad teams. again. i don’t know.
so now you’re swapping them. how do they do? mcvay would you think go back to a more explosive offense no longer being hindered by goff’s limitations. and stafford should take off now that he’s surrounded by more talent. and how does goff do without that support system?
IF you believe the narratives. no i realize it’s not that simple. it never is.
should be interesting.
InvaderRamModeratorI am gonna enjoy FINALLY
seeing a Ram QB with a GUN, LoL.tony banks had a gun…
no stafford’s not that bad. but i question the trade. we’ll see.
InvaderRamModeratorBut that might also mean we CAN’T trust McVay to make the most of the talent he does have instead of shoving players into square holes.
yup.
that’s what we’re about to find out.
InvaderRamModeratorJosinaAnderson@JosinaAnderson
Text from league source on the #Lions trade talks for QB Matthew Stafford: “I’m sure they’ll get a trade, but right now they’re looking for a sucker to overpay.”Of course they are.
And the other teams are looking for the Lions to take a fire sale offer.
oh dear.
InvaderRamModeratorso what happens cap-wise?
InvaderRamModeratorsigh.
InvaderRamModeratorBut if they actually want to improve, and challenge
the Chiefs, they will need to improve the OLine,
and they will need a burner at WR. Imho.
All that is do-able.agree. oline and deep threat for me.
i would put goff ahead of stafford if for no other reason than he is much younger than stafford. i’d be strongly against that trade.
InvaderRamModeratorit seems to me that if McVay is a dick, we would have heard about it before
We have.
There’s been all sorts of signs of that.
Like what?
well honestly that doesn’t concern me at all.
i mean a head coach and reports of him being an asshole? well duh. i mean even dick vermeil. one of the most beloved head coaches of all time. i mean all time. there were plenty of signs of him being an asshole. him and bruce? him and faulk?
yeah. head coaches have big egos. this is not a newsflash.
if this is a motivational technique. and who knows… i mean i hope it is. mcvay and snead probably know better than we do. what makes goff tick. so maybe they think this will be productive?
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i hope anyway.
InvaderRamModeratorno effin’ way i want stafford. stafford’s wife would hate california anyway.
St. Loser Fan
D’Marco Farr was on 101.1 in St. Louis this morning.
He’s pretty much convinced Snead and McVay are just trying to motivate Goff.
that’s what i’m leaning toward.
InvaderRamModeratorI agree completely.
Which leads back to… what are they playing with this non-committal crap?
yeah. i have no idea what’s going on there. no idea.
either mcvay and snead are about to screw it up royally. or mcvay just sees something fundamentally flawed about goff’s game. or this is some oddball way of motivating goff.
but this non-committal vagueness is weird. i don’t think this is mcvay though. i think this is something drummed up by snead. snead is the one who is all into reading about cognitive psychology. there’s definitely a reason the both of them are choosing to go this route. i just have no idea what that reason is. but it’s definitely calculated.
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InvaderRamModeratori think it’d be a mistake.
unless they can get someone like watson. which will never happen. you stick with goff. and try to upgrade the offensive line. try to add some speed at wr. keep developing the running backs.
unless something happened with goff behind the scenes. do snead and mcvay question goff’s commitment somehow? i haven’t heard anything like that.
InvaderRamModeratorwell shit.
InvaderRamModeratorThey were exactly what i think of
when i think of a 10=6 Wildcard team.but if donald, kupp, and goff are healthy i can’t help but wonder how far this team could have gotten.
InvaderRamModeratorJoseph-Day has impressed me. I think they hit on that late pick. I know he hates his new nickname, but it kinda fits. Seabass has game. I like Brockers, too.
It shouldn’t be that tough to transition, really. But they’re still going to need to bring in some youngins, cuz Brockers will turn 31 in season, and Donald will be 30. Got some yute if they keep Williams, who fits the hogmolly mode, kinda. Don’t really know what they have in Gaines yet.
You can never have too much talent at D-line.
That’s what initially drew me to the Rams in the first place, back in the 1960s. The Fearsome Foursome. I want them to get that all back, updated for 2021!
they need a defensive end. i think they have some pieces at linebacker. but they need some more talent there. one question. will it be easier or harder on the linebackers we do have? being in a 4-3. i’m guessing it’s easier. man i wish they could get micah parsons. haha!
the secondary should be fine. i think burgess was starting to come on until the injury. the cornerbacks were out of this world. fuller should get better.
onto a new season. i’m done with last season. really interested to see what morris does with this defense. more than anything i’d like to see him stick around for at least 3 seasons.
InvaderRamModeratorMcVay strikes me as the kind of person that if you jettison him, he comes back stronger with his next team a few years down the road.
Or the organization can be patient with him while he matures.
Goffs contract is going to look a lot better in a couple/three years when the cap goes up.
i agree with all of that. i just don’t like this pitting goff and mcvay against each other.
i have faith they’ll sort this out. until i see more that is.
InvaderRamModeratorOr IF he should be frustrated. Maybe he should just be a hard-working, head-down, steady coach.
and he usually is. i’m not too worried at this point. for one comment.
and he definitely inherited a lot of talent. for sure. but he did not inherit a good team.
InvaderRamModeratorBeing frustrated that we don’t have Mahomes or Rodgers leading our offense seems foolish to me.
i would agree with that. but we don’t know what mcvay is frustrated by. we’re all just guessing really at this point.
i think losing mcvay would be disastrous for the rams. i really do. to a certain extent i believe that about goff as well. as you said, finding a qb of his caliber is hard.
but mcvay has a chance to be special. i see nothing remotely close to martz in mcvay. i really don’t.
InvaderRamModeratorBut sooner or later, McVay will return to his pass-heavy approach.
the rams ranked 25th in passing play percentage though. and outside of 2019, the rams have consistently been a balanced offense.
i do think there is room for improvement. there has to be. he’s only 35 years old.
all i’m saying is i don’t completely dismiss mcvay’s criticism of goff. at the same time, i don’t think he is without blame himself. they gotta sort it out. the alternative could be much more worse for both of them as well as the entire organization.
InvaderRamModeratorAnd he did all of this while lining up in the secondary at cornerback and the “star” hybrid defensive back position in former defensive coordinator Brandon Staley’s scheme.
one of the things i worry about with the change in defensive coordinator and likely scheme is how does morris deploy ramsey?
i hope he’ll be looking at film trying to incorporate some of how staley used ramsey into his defense.
i actually gotta think he will. he seems like the type of guy who is adaptable and who has an open dialogue with his players and assistant coaches.
InvaderRamModeratorBut I think it would be a mistake to move on from Goff, unless we can get Watson.
and that’s never gonna happen.
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