zn wrote:

veteran starting caliber qb

but i wouldn’t even consider him a veteran starting caliber qb. by its strictest definition sure he was. in reality he was a sophomore qb on his second offensive coordinator in as many years. looking back on goff’s career you can say that but at the time he wasn’t. and i would also argue that exacerbating goff’s lack of experience at the time was the fact that mcvay himself wasn’t much older than goff. their combined age didn’t even equal vermeil or fisher when they first took a job with the rams which is insane to me when you think about it.

and it’s not a knock on fisher at all. in fact i credit him with providing a lot of the essential foundation work with which mcvay had to work with including goff. and at the time i thought fisher was given a raw deal by getting canned that year. obviously i feel different now, but fisher was the best coach the rams had since vermeil.

i’d rate mcvay over vermeil. took the rams to two superbowls with two different quarterbacks – won one of them.

it’s true that he inherited a much more talented roster than vermeil. so there’s that. and it’s true that mcvay has had snead to lean on regarding personnel decisions, but vermeil also had martz running that offense while i think mcvay has had much more control over the current offense. it’s my opinion that vermeil was much more of a delegator. that’s not necessarily a bad thing. like with mcvay it’s good to realize your shortcomings and be able to delegate to others. vermeil with martz and mcvay with snead.

and i also take longevity into account. vermeil was here three seasons and left. mcvay is about to complete his seventh season and will be here at least through 2024 making it eight seasons. he’ll have been here a decade if he completes his current contract.

i’m like zn in that i can’t speak on the coaches i haven’t seen.

if he can win another superbowl i think the debate is over. for me. i can at least see an argument for putting vermeil on par with mcvay but another superbowl and i don’t think it’s even a question anymore. that would be three superbowls and two wins.

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Zooey wrote:

I wonder what the odds in Vegas are that this will be a forgettable game. Seasons and games come and go, and some of them leave an indelible, Instant Recall impression, and the others mush together like a couple of donuts left on a summertime dashboard. I think I will have instant recall of this season and of this playoff game 10 years from now.

yes.

which stafford will show up @ det?

 

no qb was hotter during wks 12-16, staff threw 14 tds, 1 int, and posted 100+ qb rtg in every game during the 5-game stretch.

 

for wk 17 tho he ranked: #23 qb rating, #21 epa, #30 when pressured, #27 when clean, shades of his shaky 2023 start.

that is one worry i have. he’s a very streaky qb. hopefully the rams get the dialed in stafford for the playoffs. and i also worry about nacua. he’s already played 17 games. he always seems to have energy but 17 games has got to wear on a player who’s only played double digit games in one season of college football.

if kupp can get right. and he’s only played 12 games this season which might actually benefit the rams in the playoffs. the rams offense could go on a roll. kyren too. 12 games so he should have plenty in reserve.

another thing i was thinking. i hope lafleur can stay here for awhile. i don’t see any buzz surrounding him regarding a hc gig so i think he’s good for at least one more year. but i hope he can stay for at least another year after that. his stint with the jets and lack of play calling duties with the rams may just help the team keep him.

canadaram wrote:

Clutch moments by Yeast in the 4th quarter.

i know yeast was in on that pass break up on the last drive. i’m guessing he was also the one who broke up the pass on the previous drive? those were two timely plays for sure. maybe a little luck but liked to see it. wentz played well too. and congrats to puka.

zn wrote:

Los Angeles Rams PR@TheLARamsPR DT Aaron Donald was selected to his 10th career Pro Bowl and is the only defensive lineman since 1970 to make the Pro Bowl in each of his first 10 seasons. He joins Pro Football Hall of Famers Reggie White (13) and Bruce Smith (11) as the only defensive linemen since 1970 with 10 Pro Bowl selections

ok. my question still stands though. who was the last player before donald to make the pro bowl in each of their first ten seasons?

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

zn wrote:

NFL Rumors@nflrums

Los Angeles Rams Aaron Donald is the only DL since 1970 to make the Pro Bowl in each of his first 10 seasons.

i’m gonna venture a guess and say the last one was merlin olsen?

Olsen was in 14 consecutive pro bowls, from 1962 to 1975. Joe Greene was in 11, 1969-1970.

well i meant making the pro bowl in each of his first 10 seasons.  so i think it is merlin olsen.  joe greene made it his first eight seasons and then missed out in 1977 – his ninth season.

zn wrote:

NFL Rumors@nflrums

Los Angeles Rams Aaron Donald is the only DL since 1970 to make the Pro Bowl in each of his first 10 seasons.

i’m gonna venture a guess and say the last one was merlin olsen?

i have no way of verifying if this is true, but turner’s double team rate is higher than aaron donald’s??? one thing i can verify is eight of turner’s sacks have come in the last eight games. wow.

Kobie Turner moved into the top-20 in pass-rush win-rate this week.

Turner's 11% PRWR ranks 17th.

Also worth-noting, Turner has a double-team rate of 71%. Jalen Carter's double-team rate is just 59%. Turner also has a higher double-team rate than Aaron Donald (63%).

— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) January 2, 2024

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this is a test

https://x.com/BrandonJBranden/status/1742357372373180532?s=20

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i put this in another thread but it may be more appropriate here. compares kyren’s season to gurley’s 2018 season. i also want to note that 2018 was gurley’s age 24 season. this is kyren’s age 23 season.

pic.twitter.com/1ALnJI3ggA

— The Canadian RAMbassador. (@jonathancorbett) January 2, 2024

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https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1069285

in this thread from the herd. don’t know how to upload just the pics here. but there’s two instances of turner getting double teamed while ad is getting single teamed. these are just two isolated instances. but i’m wondering if defenses are having to account for turner more. it’d be interesting to know.

just going along with wv’s question about how offensive coordinators view turner when they look at game film.

whatever the case he’s only 24. so i’m hoping there’s still a lot of potential left in him. not just so he can realize his potential. but also so that he hopefully can take some pressure off donald as he is starting to enter his post-prime years.

it’s also why i think they need to make a blue chip signing on defense. they can’t continue to expect donald to be prime donald. he needs help.

wv wrote:

I’d be curious how the various DC’s talk about him in the film room, though.   IF AD wasnt there, would Turner get double-teamed?   Is he that kind of wrecking-ball?   Or just a solid DT benefiting from AD?

my guess would be he is not an ad kind of wrecking ball. he won’t have game plans centered around trying to contain him. but i think he could be better than say a dante fowler who definitely benefitted from playing next to ad.

also. donald his rookie year played next to quinn and long. the same quinn who had 19 sacks the year before. and long who had two consecutive seasons of double digit sacks before donald came on board. again. i’m not trying to compare turner to prime donald. just rookie donald.

but yeah. you have to wonder how much of it is playing next to a guy who is in the legit conversation of greatest defensive player ever.