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  • #148572
    zn
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    Objectively a great game. Rams have nothing to be ashamed of. They have things they need to work on…but nothing to be ashamed of.

    In terms of the refs, I thought they did the “let em play” thing though I don’t know why that includes uncalled late hits on the qb. They seemed to have let the Lions play anyway.

    I thought the crux of the game was that the Rams couldn’t run and the Lions could. Morris adjusted the D in the 2nd half, and the Lions couldn’t run as well, but the Rams came just short.

    Young team that got to the playoffs, played well but had some holes in their game, especially on defense. Bodes well for the future.

    #148705
    joemad
    Participant

    Dan Campbell wasn’t kidding on his opening press conference when he stated that they would bust knee caps….

    Rams gotta score TD’s in the red zone. A TD in those trips wins the game…

    Stafford had a very very good game, but too bad he forgot where play clock was located in Detroit…. those were costly 3rd qtr timeouts

    Going into the  game, I thought the Lions’ biggest weakness was Dan Campbell’s game management.  Today McVay blew it… even the last time out that he had left was used after the 2 min warning… choked.

    on to 2024….

     

     

    #148707
    Hram
    Participant

    Good game, they gave themselves a chance.

    Way better than expected season.

     

     

    #148710
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    We played tough, but now it is time to concentrate on free agency and the draft.

    I’m still pushing for us to sign, either AJ Espensa or Shaq Lawson. The Bills can’t sign both. Yes, they are Edge Rushers. Which one is available, 4 years $24 M, $18 M guaranteed, which means resigning certain guys, like Witherspoon probably can get a 1 year $2 M deal, Wentz 1 year $2 M deal.  Re-sign Demarcus Robinson for 2 years $5 M,

     

    If we get that Edge Rusher, than we can draft a CB, and a Center

     

    I want Hoect to be moved to DE

     

     

    #148711
    Zooey
    Participant

    The Lions “out-physicaled” the Rams. The

    through tackles throughout the entire first half, busted up Stafford, Nacua, Williams, and Higbee. Just beat them up.

    The Rams won the 2nd half, but fell short.

    Zero turnovers.

    Bummer. That was a winnable game, but that’s the end of it.

    Puka Nacua.  Good lord. I’d like to think, “Just wait until next year,” but I don’t see how he can improve on his game. Like… how?

    Hopefully Kupp comes back full strength.

    #148717
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Bad officiating.

    Bad tackling.

    Bad red zone execution.

    The Rams almost overcame all three to win a playoff game against a really good team in a hostile environment.

    As it is, they came up a little short but what a season from a rebuilding team that’s WAY ahead of schedule.

    Can’t wait for next season.

    Now, somebody beat the 9ers. Preferably before the Super Bowl, but if not, definitely in the Super Bowl.

    That’s all that matters now.

     

    #148718
    JackPMiller
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    The Lions “out-physicaled” the Rams. The through tackles throughout the entire first half, busted up Stafford, Nacua, Williams, and Higbee. Just beat them up. The Rams won the 2nd half, but fell short. Zero turnovers. Bummer. That was a winnable game, but that’s the end of it. Puka Nacua. Good lord. I’d like to think, “Just wait until next year,” but I don’t see how he can improve on his game. Like… how? Hopefully Kupp comes back full strength.

     

    Even though we can go on about plays, but the Rob Havenstein penalty, at the end, hurt us, and took the team out of field goal position. The D, could not come up with the stop, coming out of the two minute warning.

    #148719
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    yeah it was a bad call. but i think there were blown calls both ways.

     

    i think red zone inefficiency was the culprit. also the first half defense could not stop the lions. the only drive they stopped the lions offense was on a blown call by the refs.

     

    kyren williams injury didn’t help either.

     

    and puka. wow. only target he failed to catch was on a missed pi call which he almost certainly would have caught by the looks of it.

    #148738
    zn
    Moderator

    Puka Nacua.  Good lord. I’d like to think, “Just wait until next year,” but I don’t see how he can improve on his game. Like… how?

    Analysts I’ve seen have shown that he still runs routes like a rookie and can improve in that area. He’s just so great at contested catches, it’s not always visible that yes he can improve his route running (and most likely will). At one point he led the league in drops. His catch percentage for 2023 was 65.6%, which is respectable but can be improved. For example in his best years, Kupp was in the mid 70s–around 74% to 76% depending on the year. So PN can improve in that respect too.

    And. Just imagine. 😎

    #148741
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Analysts I’ve seen have shown that he still runs routes like a rookie and can improve in that area.

     

    this. i remember seeing a video of him and kupp. they were doing these footwork drills. the difference between the two was so drastic. if puka can improve this skill, i gotta think his route running will improve make him so much more effective. not just getting open but having more space after the catch when he gets the ball. also maybe make him more effective in the red zone where there’s more traffic.

     

    and i agree too that his hands can improve. he seemed to have occasional concentration lapses. kupp had this problem his rookie year and was able to improve dramatically.

    #148744
    zn
    Moderator

    HEART: This hurts. They almost had the game…

    HEAD: Even being in the playoffs exceeded expectations for a young team and promises a great future. Yes losing is bitter but this wasn’t their year–they’re so young, there’s a lot that must be improved, and they would have lost in the post-season at some point anyway. By losing now, they get a higher draft pick. Be proud of their season and take solace in the fact that their future is bright.

    HEART: Oh gee great thanks, that was all pretty well said for a Seattle fan….

    #148751
    canadaram
    Participant

    Tough to overcome all those no calls against Detroit. Listening to PFT Live right now and Chris Simms and Florio are spending a decent amount of time talking about the majority of calls going in favour of the Lions. Spent a lot of time on the how the ref didn’t call roughing the passer on the Lions when Stafford was hit by the entire defensive line.   For me it is cathartic to hear this.

    Anyway, it was  good game. Morris does a great job making adjustments after halftime. We saw it last night, and we saw it all year. At the time I was disappointed that Kyren Williams wasn’t involved inside the ten on the Rams first drive that ended in a FG. In retrospect, the Lions were strong against the run all night so perhaps nothing would have happened there. Although, Williams has had great results in the screen game deep in the redzone.

    Moving forward I am excited to see upgrades in the secondary. It would also be nice to see Hoecht and Jonah Williams replaced. Another threat at wide receiver might be needed if Kupp has some sort of long term injury. Fun season.

    #148752
    Billy_T
    Participant

    If they had to lose, it was good to lose by just one point, and to the Lions.

    Ultimately, they lost the game on the first drive, with Detroit just moving down the field far too easily. It set the tone, and a major obstacle for the Rams. They were fighting from behind the entire game. I think with their suspect corners, and Fuller out, they needed to have the lead instead. Which makes me think already about the draft and how important it will be to shore up the DBs.

    Tackle, edge, corners, safeties. Most important. But they won’t have Higbee next year, either, so they need another TE. Center, guard, another wideout, and I’d love to see them pair a battering ram back with Williams. In a way too early player to note: Braelen Allen of Wisconsin. 6’2″, 240. Young. Will turn 21 in his rookie season.

    #148753
    Billy_T
    Participant

    As Canadaram mentions, yeah. They need another wideout or two, and this looks like an exceptional draft along those lines. The Combine, interviews, Med evals, and Pro Days will shake up the order several more times before the draft hits, but a coupla tall, freakish wideouts are likely available for the Rams in the 3rd or 4th rounds: Jerry Rice’s son, Brenden Rice (USC), plus J.Michael Sturdivant (UCLA). Both guys are on Bruce Feldman’s Freak list. Sturdivant has a 23.2 GPS time, at nearly 6’4″.

    Also: Not sure about this, but I think if Tampa wins, Baker Mayfield’s 6th round comp becomes a 5th rounder, and it may help Rams slotting in the draft, too. They might go from 22 to 19. Worse case is 20 now, if this site is correct:

    https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/1/14/24038547/rams-draft-order-2024-first-round

    And, of Morris is hired as HC this go-round, the Rams get a 3rd round comp in the upcoming draft, and in 2025. That would essentially take the place of their lost 4th rounder, and fill in the large gap between their third and fifth round picks (84 to 153 and 154).

    #148758
    Zooey
    Participant

    Moving forward I am excited to see upgrades in the secondary. It would also be nice to see Hoecht and Jonah Williams replaced. Another threat at wide receiver might be needed if Kupp has some sort of long term injury. Fun season.

    I can’t help but wonder how that game would have gone if the Rams had Ramsey.

    Hoecht improved in pass rush over the year, and hustled after plays, but seemed a liability in coverage. That’s all “live” opinion, as in, I haven’t watched any film on him. Just fast and furious live action where I’m watching the whole thing, not focused on any particular player.

    #148761
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Not knocking the effort of anyone on the Rams D, but they just don’t have the requisite athleticism at a few spots. They need upgrades at both corners, and likely both safeties, too. Fuller and Johnson probably won’t be back, as the Rams have a tendency to move on from their safeties in a hurry.

    Hoecht is a high effort guy, with crazy straight line speed for someone his size, but he doesn’t have the twitchy/bend/agility needed to cover in space. I think he’d do better gaining back some good weight and playing the D-line instead of edge.

    They could use a hoss at DT, too. Draft someone in the 330 or bigger range. I’m also hoping Turner continues to develop. He played way above his 3rd round slot, but he can get better. Good place to start would be conditioning. He has a bit of a gut, and that’s basically just useless extra weight for smaller DTs. The belly doesn’t add speed to power for short, relatively light, quick D-linemen. Turner needs to move in with Donald this off-season, and try to keep up with his maniacal routines.

    Already doing my mock sims, and taking advantage of the impossibly fantastic trade offers sent my way before each pick, so I’m usually drafting 14 to 20 guys for the Rams. I know I know. Never gonna happen in the real world. But it’s fun to dream:

     

    https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/

     

     

    #148762
    wv
    Participant

    Great win for Detroit.  If they had to lose, well….ya know.

    Not sure the best team won, though.  I think the Rams are right-there with the Lions.

    Hope the Lions can upset the 49ers down the road.

     

    Stafford is awesome.  Cant say enough about the Rams this year.

    Just need a player here, a player there, and some luck, and they would be right there with the elite teams.   A pass rusher.  A good corner.

     

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    #148763
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Another threat at wide receiver might be needed if Kupp has some sort of long term injury.

     

    i think the bigger concern now is higbee. probably out until at least mid-season. they need another tight end. hopefully allen can step up. but they need someone else. hopkins. not sure if his contract is up.

    #148764
    zn
    Moderator

    they need another tight end. hopefully allen can step up. but they need someone else. hopkins. not sure if his contract is up.

    Yeah Hopkins is a UFA in 2024. But I doubt they pay him because the Rams have used Allen far more than Hopkins, which makes you wonder if they even want Hopkins. (Allen has 192 snaps to Hopkins 96. Heck Hunter Long saw 55 snaps and he was on IR for all but 4 games.)

    #148765
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Yeah Hopkins is a UFA in 2024. But I doubt they pay him because the Rams have used Allen far more than Hopkins, which makes you wonder if they even want Hopkins. (Allen has 192 snaps to Hopkins 96. Heck Hunter Long saw 55 snaps and he was on IR for all but 4 games.)

     

    yeah. doubt they bring back hopkins. i like what i’ve seen of allen but they can’t go into next season with just allen and long. maybe they draft one. or another trade.

    #148766
    zn
    Moderator

    They need various things on defense.

    On offense IMO above all they need a true 1B running back.

    The Rams were a different team in games where Wms either didn’t play or was held to under 100. Like–yesterday. It follows that if you have another RB who can get premium yards, your offense is better off all the way around.

    #148780
    wv
    Participant

    Its hard not to be very-optimistic about next year.   I mean, they really dont need much more.  IF they hit on some draft picks, sign a couple solid vets, and stay healthy — they can have quite a year.

    I dont remember another year quite like this one.  Maybe the 79 Super Bowl year is closest?   They were 9-7 i think.  We didnt expect an NFC title and a close game with the Steelers.

    Sometimes a team’s losses say more than the wins.  Ya know.  The Baltimore loss and Detroit loss said so much about this team.  More than any of the wins, i would say.

    They showed heart as well as talent.    Not a bad start to a third chapter for McVay.  The Goff years.  The Super Bowl run with Stafford.   Now, the…what?   We’ll see, i guess.

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    #148783
    zn
    Moderator

    Sometimes a team’s losses say more than the wins.  Ya know.

    Yes like the regular season Titans game in 99. People point to the Rams destroying the 9ers in their first game that season as the “turning point,” and that was a big game, but the loss to the Titans told us more about that team IMO. (That’s the game where Faulk stands up a tottering Hakim on the LOS to keep the play from being flagged.) They fought back in that game in ways that just announced they were no longer the SOSAR Rams.

    #148791
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    By far the best of wildcard round Puka Nacua setting single game receiving postseason rookie record was awesome. Watching Stafford take elbows to the head on the end of a 3 step run that started after the ball was thrown that shot knocked him down and the other asshole knees him in the head and rib stomps him for good measure the camera stops and the ref’s shoes are center frame, he saw every single bit of it and did nothing. Can’t wait till next year!

     

    #148793
    wv
    Participant

    By far the best of wildcard round Puka Nacua setting single game receiving postseason rookie record was awesome. Watching Stafford take elbows to the head on the end of a 3 step run that started after the ball was thrown that shot knocked him down and the other asshole knees him in the head and rib stomps him for good measure the camera stops and the ref’s shoes are center frame, he saw every single bit of it and did nothing. Can’t wait till next year!

    Little bit reminiscent of the Belichex plan against Faulk and company way back when.   Beat up the opposition and take it as far as it will go unless the refs start throwin flags.

     

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    #148810
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    They need various things on defense. On offense IMO above all they need a true 1B running back. The Rams were a different team in games where Wms either didn’t play or was held to under 100. Like–yesterday. It follows that if you have another RB who can get premium yards, your offense is better off all the way around.

    I also think they need a capable back-up QB.  Odds of Stafford playing all 17 games are about nil.  Maybe that guy is Stetson, maybe not, but they need a better option that the likes of Rypien…

    #148812
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Its hard not to be very-optimistic about next year. I mean, they really dont need much more. IF they hit on some draft picks, sign a couple solid vets, and stay healthy — they can have quite a year. I dont remember another year quite like this one. Maybe the 79 Super Bowl year is closest? They were 9-7 i think. We didnt expect an NFC title and a close game with the Steelers. Sometimes a team’s losses say more than the wins. Ya know. The Baltimore loss and Detroit loss said so much about this team. More than any of the wins, i would say. They showed heart as well as talent. Not a bad start to a third chapter for McVay. The Goff years. The Super Bowl run with Stafford. Now, the…what? We’ll see, i guess. w v

    Obviously they need a place kicker.

    Edge rusher, CB, o-line depth (assuming they can keep Dotson, if not this becomes a bigger need.

    They should also draft a later round QB they can develop.

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