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znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueI’m not used to watching these games on my couch this time of year and have been yelling about officiating. It apparently freaks out my dog, so immediately after screaming “YOU IDIOT” etc. I give him a treat and whisper, “not you, you’re perfect.” Unclear what habits are forming.
znModeratordo we have any idea what happened?
Yes. I followed some leads and have his obituay.
We know he had been hospitalized a couple of times leading up to his break in posting. He was hospitalized for some very serious things. That year he was in evcry game chat that he could get to, and then during the playoffs, he was nowhere to be found. He was a very private guy who lived alone, and I had no outside contacts for him, though I did have some leads. I assumed he passed back in January. Recently I dug up the leads and found this:
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WARREN STOCK OBITUARY
Warren “Kool Rider” Stock, 71, New Haven, passed away Thursday, Jan. 27, 2022.
Warren, son of the late Raymond Stock and wife Helen, nee Edson, was born March 21, 1950, in Washington. He received his education from New Haven High School and the University of Missouri-Columbia.
Warren worked for Union Pacific Railroad for many years until retirement. He loved reading, computers and cooking delicious food. As a young man, he excelled at softball and billiards. He especially enjoyed his cats and was an avid Rams football fan, even after they moved away from St. Louis.
Among his survivors are his brother, Gary Stock and wife Joan, Washington; his sister, Betty Stock, New Haven; nieces, Sarah Deckert and husband Chris, Wildwood, Mary Kleekamp and husband Phillip, Washington; great-nieces and -nephews, Matthew Deckert, Claire Deckert, Julia Deckert, Jack Kleekamp, Lily Kleekamp and Anna Kleekamp; other relatives and friends.
He was preceded in death by his parents.
Visitation was held Tuesday, Feb. 1, from 1-3 p.m. at Memorial Baptist Church, New Haven, with a memorial service following at 3 p.m.
In lieu of flowers, memorial donations can be made to Memorial Baptist Church or a charity of donor’s choice.
Arrangements were in care of Nieburg-Vitt, Miller Funeral Home, Washington.</p>
Published by The Missourian on Feb. 2, 2022.—
znModeratorThanks for that, Z, but I already gave it a thread
Sure. Yeah. I knew that. I just thought it needed to be placed in a less conspicuous place where fewer people might see it.
Good point.
znModeratorNFL officiating under scrutiny after Seahawks-Rams controversy 7:36 PM PT Adam Schefter ESPN Senior Writer
Thanks for that, Z, but I already gave it a thread: https://theramshuddle.com/topic/officiating-under-scrutiny-after-seahawks-rams-controversies/
znModerator“The ultimate thing is you want to make … sure that this joy, this zest, this ability to be able to do the things at the level that you know you’re capable of, how do you not let the challenges and the grind and the competitor in you … how do you not let that change the dynamic of who you want to be as a leader in those types of things? And that’s kind of where I’m at.”
He lets stress get to him in interactions?
znModerator𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉@Jim_EverettThe veteran players will tell, explain & emphasize to the Rookies that the #wildcardweekend games are indeed very different. But it’ll ONLY be after the game when the rookie will fully understand what just happened and what exactly those DIFFERENCES are!
znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreerSean McVay has work to do on staffing and one name to keep an eye on is a familiar one—ex-Jets offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur..
znModeratorFishkiller@FV_Mylia_LynnThis Wildcard weekend is nothing but a bunch of sequels. 49ers-Seahawks 3, Bengals-Ravens 3, Bills-Dolphins 3, Jaguars-Chargers 2, Vikings-Giants 2 & Bucs-Cowboys 2. With 6 games you’d think at least one would be a fresh match-up.
znModeratorNow that Sean McVay has decided to return to the Rams for 2023, Matthew Stafford will be next. The Rams are expected to pick up Stafford’s 2023 option bonus and 2024 salary – a combined $62 million guaranteed – by the third day of the league year.https://t.co/9zLMCEDDB9
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 14, 2023
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The Rams are expected to pick up Matthew Stafford's option bonus, which will guarantee him $62 million
He ain't going anywhere https://t.co/NMmscdZ0BV
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 14, 2023
znModeratorThe playoffs are here, and we are not in it. I guess it’s the McVay thing, of being in the playoffs, for like 5 years, Now we have to experience a partial rebuild, with a team, that is not going to be a Super Bowl contender for awhile
There are different views on this. IMO this won’t be a rebuild at all, not even partial. It will just be healing/recovery plus adding a part or 2. As I see it, they will be in the playoffs in 2023 and only injuries could keep them out. If the injuries permit it they can be a contender.
January 14, 2023 at 12:04 pm in reply to: starting a new thread w/ BT’s post on a Rodrigue podcast #142581
znModeratorGoff and McV were not a good “marriage.” Goff did well with the Rams when he had his own dedicated qb coach. That was 2017 (Greg Olson) and 2018 (LaFleur). (Greg Olson is also responsible for Derek Carr playing well in the years he did–Olson left the Raiders in 2021, and Carr played well for him). In 2019 McV became the de facto qb coach. I think their relationship was based on McV’s impatience and the result was to weaken Goff’s confidence. What we saw in 2020 was Goff playing without confidence much of the time. In the best article on their divorce, a Rams coach is quoted as saying (anonymously) that McV knew how to tear Goff down but not how to build him up.
I think what we’re seeing in Detroit now is Goff playing with confidence, in a system that is specifically built to his strengths (and with a top notch OL).
I said all of this at the time of the trade btw but then I defended the trade. My take was, if the qb and the coach are not built for each other and the coach is winning, then, the qb will go. I don’t like the way they handled it (in fact they handled the entire trade very badly that way). But then Stafford was a better fit for McV. Stafford walked into the room demanding respect with his veteran smarts and longevity, so it was more of a case of coach and veteran qb collaborating than an impatient coach handling a young qb.
In a different way than Martz, McV is a mixed bag. He has all sorts of strengths as a coach, but they come with some pronounced liabilities. He may change, but at this stage, McV needs veterans in key positions to win. He’s not a patient team builder. By way of contrast DV was that and in fact did it twice, with the Eagles and Rams. McV inherited a team loaded with players like Gurley and Donald and Goff and did not need to “rebuild.” 6 years later there are still some pre-McV players starting for the Rams, including Donald, Higbee, and Hav.
January 14, 2023 at 12:20 am in reply to: starting a new thread w/ BT’s post on a Rodrigue podcast #142572
znModeratorRodrigue starts at 1:46 in.
BT has a summary but I am going to provide one too. I want to do it, I feel kind of energized to do it, but that aside, I always thought it was useful if more than one poster puts up a summary like this. I do weave some of my own ideas into this, but when I do that I say so–I am just trying to get what Rodrigue says out there.
She is btw hands down the best reporter the Rams have ever had, bar none.
This is all just Rodrigue. No one expected the season to be this bad and the dominant problem was the injuries. But also they weren’t satisfied with their coaching hires, which basically began late in the year because of the super bowl. In terms of the vacillation by McV, Rams always knew he would take a break at some point though they expected that to be after 2023. McV puts in too much time and effort and doesn’t know how to slow down. As a person he is very disappointed in himself. But the Rams are very high wire and they can’t operate at that level for too long, it burns out. Rodrigue won’t say it but when McV is stressed he may not be the kind of human being he wants to be. To draw the contrast Rodrigue compared him to old grandfather McVay, who always in all circumstances remained kind–and I thought that was a very telling moment. This is me now not Rodrigue but we saw how with Goff he could be a kind of dick. I hear Rodrigue saying McV sees himself as not being stable and grounded enough as an emotional human being–I suspect McV had some bad moments with coaches and players and staff. She is strongly hinting (the way I hear it) that McV hesitated about returning because he himself is trying to deal with having seen himself act that way.
Back to just Rodrigue. He was in a situation in 2022 where things were out of control. The injuries were major and devastating. He couldn’t delegate and didn’t have answers. Rodrigue resists unfair and reductive takes on the Rams. Rams didn’t see themselves as repeating in 2022. Missing a pass rusher for example. But they did expect things to keep going forward (a good 2022 followed by a great 2023). One pattern he saw with McV this year was that he was always struggling, a bit, to work on his maturity and human tools, but he could always default into thinking about football instead. This year subtracted that, and it was entirely in ways that were beyond his own anyone’s control, and so there was no compensation to turn to when more basic human emotional issues came up. (Rodrigue once again mentions McV trying to process how he handled Goff in 2020).
She talks about how they were injured historically on the OL, she even calls it “insane.” But that caused other issues. He got so he decided he would hire a bunch of different coaches than he did. He was probably embarassed by the fact that the Rams were not ready this year–at least not ready to enjoy historic success as a defending champ (me again: we saw that right away in game 1 against the Bills, they weren’t ready). They weren’t ready for how teams evolved to pick apart their defense. For the first time the Rams were behind conceptually. And a lot of that meant being behind on things that they themselves originated in the league. They weren’t prepared to stay ahead of football strategies they themselves helped create.
How about this coaching staff? Barnwell asks. They were kind of running out of people. He’s running out of OL coaches who have Bill Callahan principles. He’s running out of Fangio people. He started to hire people who were green who he thought he could mold to be an extension of his own thinking on the kinds of core things he wants to do. Samples, the RB coach, came up. Brown was moved out of the RB room and then the issues start and (Rodrigue strongly implies) Samples wasn’t up to it. The RB room imploded. Now they didn’t have a coach with the tools to solve that (they then moved Brown back to RB). A lot of this also had to do with the fact that because they went to the super bowl, the position coaches McV wanted weren’t there anymore.
Rodrigue thinks he also gets too bullish on guys he wants on the offensive side. Part of his thing with coordinators is to hire guys who balance out all the rough and tumble, roller coaster things McV gets on so he needs a steady “middle child” type to soften things with the players. Plus they had all sorts of ideas of what to do to expand the passing game, and then all that gets left behind if your OL has fallen completely apart.
Rodrigue is talking here before they knew McV would be back, but her answer to what happens if he is back is to say she thinks they put together another trade for another elite player at a big position.
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Von Miller left because they would not give a 3rd guaranteed year.
Snead is not a “rebuild guy,” he’s a build on the fly kind of guy. And he has a ruthless side to it. He’ll do things instantly, without sentiment.
Rodrigue always thought McV would be back. He was never going to move on from coaching.
January 13, 2023 at 10:55 pm in reply to: starting a new thread w/ BT’s post on a Rodrigue podcast #142570
znModeratorComparing Different Hells
The Bill Barnwell Show
Bill is joined by The Athletic’s Jourdan Rodrigue to examine the latest on a very fluid situation with Sean McVay and the Los Angeles Rams. They discuss how things got to the point that McVay is considering leaving, what happened to the coaching staff after the Super Bowl, if the situation compromises the Rams’ offseason, why Jourdan thinks there’s no way he permanently retires right now and how the Rams could make a return more appealing to McVay..
znModeratorTop 5 Defensive Plays Of 2022 | Rams Season Recap
znModerator#Rams coach Sean McVay intends to return as the team’s coach after taking a few days to consider his future, per me and @MikeGarafolo. He is sorting through potential staff changes for 2023. pic.twitter.com/oCCqp544Io
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 13, 2023
znModeratorSean McVay is returning to the Rams, meaning there currently are five head coach openings. pic.twitter.com/7tlBfcHJce
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 13, 2023
znModeratorCameron DaSilva@camdasilvaUPDATE: Jalen tells me his tweet wasn’t alluding to any impending trade or departure split with the Rams. He’s a first alternate for the Pro Bowl and is still hoping to make it. If not, his season ended with two INTs against Seattle in Week 18.…
Jalen Ramsey posted a cryptic message on Twitter today and, uh, Rams fans may not be happy. Is he done in LA?
"If that's the end, I went out wit a BANG!" https://t.co/ZeXOY2Gk6H
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 13, 2023
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znModeratorThe best run defender in the NFL? Jalen Ramsey.
PFF gave him that title, naming Bobby Wagner as an honorable mention 💪 https://t.co/Kfqi82g4A4
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 12, 2023
znModeratorThe #Texans requested an interview with #Rams assistant head coach/TE coach Thomas Brown for their head coaching job, per source.
Houston is looking for a young coach to grow with a young team, and Brown fits the mold. pic.twitter.com/oOfA6TmTUv
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) January 12, 2023
znModeratorThe Rams are facing a lot of questions this offseason, chief among them: Sean McVay's looming decision https://t.co/7qQAjflxhl
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 12, 2023
znModeratorRams DC Raheem Morris will interview with the Colts on Friday, per source. Here, for Colts and Broncos fans, is a story Raheem and I did last year on his Super Bowl gameplan: https://t.co/GxttBhpfnh https://t.co/U7W0TBLtOc
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 12, 2023
znModeratorI have often wondered why? Why do they consciously avoid talking about injuries and their impact? I mean it is sooo obvious its a media policy.
Well I think it’s more divided than that. I’ve seen people talk about it, including broadcasters during games. But then some people for some reason have no clue how to factor it in. That’s especially true of OL injuries. I’ve poked at some media stars on twitter who commented on the Rams without accounting for the OL injuries. It’s always mystifying to me. I don’t get that kind of reasoning or the lack of it.
January 12, 2023 at 3:14 pm in reply to: Just a thread for different kindsa interesting things #142544
znModeratorThis is from the wikipedia entry on the Monty Python song, “Always Look On the Bright Side of Life,” which of course is from the ending bit from Life of Brian.
The song touched a chord with the British trait of stoicism and the “stiff upper lip” in the face of disaster, and became immensely popular. When the destroyer HMS Sheffield was struck by an Exocet cruise missile on 4 May 1982 in the Falklands War, her crew sang it while waiting to be rescued from their sinking ship,<sup id=”cite_ref-9″ class=”reference”>[9]</sup> as did the crew of HMS Coventry,<sup id=”cite_ref-10″ class=”reference”>[10]</sup> with the line from the song “Worse things happen at sea, you know” being especially ironic.
znModeratorHonolulu Blues@HonoluluBlues_Goff was the second most blitzed (166) QB in the league, yet the second least sacked (22) in 16 games.
znModeratorLouis Riddick@LRiddickESPNWe hear a lot about head coaching candidates at this time of year and their qualifications, based primarily off of statistical performance. I’ll say, firsthand, nobody I had the chance to talk to this year impressed me more, from A to Z, than #Broncos DC Ejiro Evero.…Ejiro Evero
2017 36 NFL Los Angeles Rams Safeties 2018 37 NFL Los Angeles Rams Safeties 2019 38 NFL Los Angeles Rams Safeties 2020 39 NFL Los Angeles Rams Safeties 2021 40 NFL Los Angeles Rams Def. Passing Game Coordinator/Secondary 2022 41 NFL Denver Broncos Defensive Coordinator
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueRams ILB Bobby Wagner is a 2022 NFL Butkus Award finalist, which is voted on by coaches, scouts and journalists. The collegiate and high school winners have already been selected.
znModeratorNFL Rumors@nflrumsSeveral NFL people believes if the Los Angeles Chargers will part ways with HC Brandon Staley if he loses vs the Jaguars. Sean Payton could be a big piece of the equation.
znModeratorTop 5 Offensive Plays Of 2022 | Rams Season Recap
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