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znModeratorRams fans! Wanna sneak peak at the new training facility in Woodland Hills? Here’s a rendering. This is NOT what the final product will look like but will give you an idea of the footprint. The Rams will be moving their offices into the old Aetna building you see above fields. pic.twitter.com/oRdbZHgzWO
— TY (@tbearde) June 10, 2023
znModeratorI tried posting the full article with the link but it is not appearing on the board.
Fixed!
Except you have to get to the vid throught the article link and I can’t get the vid to play.
znModeratorStetson Bennett has been DEALING at Rams OTA’s.
Bennett’s “athleticism” has reportedly stood out throughout OTA’s.
Cooper Kupp recently noted that Bennett has made some “really big-time throws” in practices.
The Rams rookie QB is impressing EARLY. pic.twitter.com/hUcuQOA8qt
— NFL Rookie Watch (@NFLRookieWatxh) June 9, 2023
znModeratori’m excited about a lot of these rookie offensive players. nacua, avila, evans, even allen. i know they won’t all make it, but even if just two of them end up being solid contributors i’ll be happy. honestly i can even see three of these guys being contributors. excited for training camp to start.
I think all 4 will make it. The question is which ones will become multi-year starters. It’s clear that Avila will. The other 3 could at a minimum become good role players.
Avila may be the Rams best 2nd round pick since (coincidentally, given his position) Saffold.
znModeratorJalen Ramsey says Aaron Donald is the best defensive player ever https://t.co/Zp6z9jeaN7
— TurfShowTimes (@TurfShowTimes) June 9, 2023
znModeratorThe Rams have had great success with Safeties dating back over a decade. We have good reason to believe that we have a good player on roster to start opposed Jordan Fuller
Russ Yeast is my pick for a breakout defender for the Rams. I think Yeast steps up in year 2 as a starter pic.twitter.com/s7lCGqGHJx
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) June 9, 2023
June 9, 2023 at 10:22 am in reply to: science! physics, astrophysics, abiogenesis, n other stuff #144341
znModerator“Researchers At Large Hadron Collider Are Confident To Make Contact With Parallel Universe In Days” https://t.co/Qr2SYzlXMg
— Brian Roemmele (@BrianRoemmele) June 8, 2023
znModeratorStetson Bennett got a encouraging message and signed jersey from Aaron Rodgers, who he grew up watching https://t.co/AnzjTmUHb9
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) June 8, 2023
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znModeratorRams OTAs: Puka Nacua’s learning curve, Cooper Kupp returns, DBs’ energy and more
By Jourdan Rodrigue
https://theathletic.com/4587189/2023/06/06/rams-practice-puka-nacua-cooper-kupp/
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — It’s hard to shake some of the deja vu at Rams OTAs this spring when watching a versatile receiver in a No. 17 jersey run all over the field with the first-team offense.
Rookie fifth-round pick Puka Nacua has stood out in each of the three practices the media has been able to view this spring, because of his significant workload despite his age as well as the plays he has made — and he’s impressing the coaching staff, too.
“It’s been really impressive, how quickly he has gotten up to speed,” said head coach Sean McVay after Tuesday’s practice. “He’s really conscientious.”
No. 1 receiver Cooper Kupp has not previously been at OTAs, and on Tuesday Ben Skowronek and Van Jefferson did not practice (Jefferson had a rest day and Skowronek had some “soreness” in his foot, according to McVay). So there has been ample opportunity, and need, for a receiver to step in and take on a larger-than-normal workload. Nacua has done exactly that, and the coaching staff has openly tested him with more responsibility each week.
Yet … anyone who has followed this team in the McVay era knows how tough it is to crack an actual featured role in his offense as a rookie receiver. The last player who did that was Kupp, though other rookie receivers have been contributors since Kupp’s standout first season in 2017. So much goes on behind the scenes, too — film study, weight room, recovery, etc. — so how can we know when the excitement over a player is simply because they’re excelling as a fill-in during the spring, or they’re the real deal?
“I referenced Puka, I think that is one of the things he has done so quickly — you go from thinking about the lines on the page to the reason we are running the concept,” Kupp said. “You go from just what the picture says to what the ‘why’ is behind the picture. I think that’s the biggest difference — when you can get to the ‘why.’”
One example: The Rams’ skill players and quarterbacks worked on red zone concepts on one end of the field, with no defenders and at a slower pace, in the early portion of practice. McVay led this group as they set up different route stacks and formations intended to spring certain players loose. He took extra time to explain to Nacua and others why the spacing on certain routes needed to match a certain timing count in the quarterback’s progression, and clarified what exactly about one specific concept manipulated the limited area at the goal line. Several minutes later in red zone 11-on-11 drills, this time against defenders, Matthew Stafford hit Nacua on the concept he had just worked on for a touchdown.
“He’s pretty special,” Kupp said. “If he can stay on a trajectory, he’s going to be a very good football player in this league. I love the way he attacks each day. He’s got a great feel for the game, (for) leverage, running routes. … He’s asking the right questions. That’s the big thing. As he gets more reps, over and over as he gets to see these things, he’ll just get better and better.”
More observations, notes and takeaways from the last day of OTAs access, before the Rams begin minicamp next week:
(Note: Per the Rams’ policy, media with access to practice cannot report formations, personnel groups, deployment of personnel, starting lineups unless confirmed directly by a coach or player, unconventional plays, the number of reps players take at certain positions, etc.)
• Tuesday marked Kupp’s first full day back at the Rams’ training facilities, after spending a few weeks away while he and Anna, his wife, welcomed their third child. Kupp was not a full participant in the practice and instead worked on the side with athletic trainers. He had the tightrope procedure last winter to fix the high ankle sprain that ended his 2022 season, and between the recovery and his time away, the Rams are cautiously onboarding him back into live action.
“I’m feeling really good now,” Kupp said. “You don’t know until you really get out here doing football stuff, really putting your ankle through the stuff that is required of playing football. You can’t simulate this stuff. … I feel, right now, as we’ve been pushing it pretty hard, I feel really good. I’m itching to be out there. It’s a good place to be, now, where I’m asking for more and wanting to do more and feeling like you’re getting held back versus (them) pushing you to do more.”
• Kupp and Stafford are in the process of outlining a series of practices before training camp because the two are not currently able to get live reps together.
• As previously written, the Rams have boosted the size of their offensive line at some positions and they’re also moving a few players around (especially on the interior). Tuesday, Tremayne Anchrum played left guard while rookie Steve Avila played right guard. McVay confirmed that the Rams are experimenting with Anchrum and Avila at either starting guard spot.
“(We’re) figuring out that ‘best five’ combination,” McVay said, “(and) there’s still so much football to be played and so many things to be evaluated. But I like the way that both of those guys — they were playing on the opposite sides last week, they flipped this week. It’s only going to make us that much more versatile.”
• McVay also added that it will be “awesome” to have 2022 starting left tackle Joe Noteboom back to practicing fully (he is limited as the Rams continue to slowly onboard him following last year’s Achilles injury), but he left Noteboom’s specific position up in the air.
• Receiver Sam James worked on the side with athletic trainers throughout the practice. New addition Tyler Johnson, a three-year NFL veteran signed by the Rams last week, is immediately working into the rotation (and wearing No. 14, for now).
• Inside linebacker Ernest Jones drew a lot of praise throughout practice from coaches and teammates and made two plays on the ball. The first, a pass breakup, showcased mental acumen, because even though practices aren’t currently live-speed, making the play required Jones to match and then jump a short/quick-game route close to the line of scrimmage. The second was contested between offense and defense — what the defense argued as an incomplete ball thanks to Jones’ coverage in the corner of the end zone, the offense argued as a catch by second-year running back Kyren Williams.
• McVay spent a lot of time in the pre-practice stretching period with centers Coleman Shelton and Brian Allen and then carried that conversation over to new offensive line coach Ryan Wendell and assistant coaches Nick Jones and Zak Kromer. Shelton and Allen have been able to simulate the “starting” language with both the first and second teams, respectively, because they both have starting experience.
• The early energy from the secondary carried into a really competitive red zone 11-on-11 period, where the reserve defense made several plays against quarterback Stetson Bennett and the reserve offense. Arizona State rookie cornerback Timarcus Davis broke up a Bennett pass, and then Bennett was intercepted by North Carolina State rookie safety Tanner Ingle. Another safety to potentially keep an eye on through minicamp and training camp: Mississippi State rookie undrafted free agent Collin Duncan, who in jersey No. 33 and measuring in at 6-foot and 210 pounds, brought more “former Rams players” deja vu to the day.
• Stafford calmly took matters into his own hands for the side of the offense when he and the first team subbed back in. He hit Nacua and tight end Tyler Higbee on back-to-back touchdowns. Right tackle Rob Havenstein ran up to Nacua to celebrate his score, and accidentally knocked over the much-smaller player.
• Bennett then got the reserve defense back in the next round: He threaded a pass through three defenders and into the waiting arms of Williams in the end zone.
The throw and catch were so slick that several defensive players celebrated the offensive play. Second-year cornerback Cobie Durant turned to the spectating media and said admiringly, “Hey, that’s Stetson Bennett.” Donte Deayon, a former Rams cornerback who is now a Bill Walsh Coaching Fellow with the team, jotted a note down on his clipboard and side-eyed the media as well, saying, “That’s a play.”
• The quote (and joke) of the day came from Kupp, who noted that Bennett has really shown his athleticism in throwing off-platform or out of structure.
“I think he’s definitely the most athletic quarterback from Georgia that we’ve got on our team.”
znModeratorPlayers I was impressed with today, whether it was making plays or clear increase in role:
✅ Tremayne Anchrum
✅ Puka Nacua
✅ Jordan Fuller
✅ Tanner Ingle
✅ Kyren Williams
✅ Ernest Jones
✅ Steve Avila— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) June 6, 2023
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With Rams' Matthew Stafford back in form, Tutu Atwell appears to be catching on https://t.co/6etFoSMgph
— Gary Klein (@LATimesklein) June 1, 2023
With Rams’ Matthew Stafford back in form, Tutu Atwell finally appears to be catching on
BY GARY KLEIN
On a Rams team that features nearly 40 new players, it does not take much to qualify as a seasoned veteran.
Quarterback Matthew Stafford is preparing for his 15th NFL season but many of the players who will be counted on this season are second- and third-year pros.
Observations from an organized-team activity workout on Wednesday.
Stafford can still throw deep: Stafford, who did not throw passes last offseason because of right elbow tendinitis, showed an improved connection with third-year receiver Tutu Atwell.
During a full-squad drill, Stafford dropped back and fired a pass more than 40 yards. Atwell split two defenders and then outmuscled them to make the catch.
Last season, Stafford and the speedy Atwell connected on a couple of deep passes. The first covered 54 yards against the Dallas Cowboys. The second was a 62-yard touchdown against the New Orleans Saints in the game Stafford suffered a season-ending spinal bruise.
On Wednesday, Stafford also made several perfectly placed touchdown passes to tight end Tyler Higbee.

Rams rookie quarterback Stetson Bennett unleashes a pass during organized team activities Wednesday.(Mark J. Terrill / Associated Press)Rookie quarterback Stetson Bennett completed touchdown passes to new tight end Hunter Long and receiver Lance McCutcheon against reserves.
Rookie safety Jason Taylor II intercepted a pass by Bennett.
Running back Kyren Williams is getting extended look: Williams is sharing reps with starter Cam Akers, who finished last season by rushing for more than 100 yards in three consecutive games.
Williams, a fifth-round draft pick in 2022, was sidelined for most of the offseason workouts as a rookie after he suffered a foot injury that forced him to begin training camp on the physically unable to perform list. Williams then suffered an ankle injury in the season-opening defeat to the Buffalo Bills.
Williams rushed for 139 yards in 35 carries last season.
Rookie receiver Puka Nacua making an impression: The 6-foot-2, 205-pound Nacua is playing all three receiver positions, showing a good grasp on the playbook.
With star receiver Cooper Kupp and Ben Skorwonek absent from on-field workouts, Nacua is positioned to compete for a role during training camp.
Cornerback Cobie Durant breaking up passes: Durant, a second-year pro, is among the team’s most-experienced players in a secondary that includes fourth-year safety Jordan Fuller.
Last season, Durant intercepted three passes, one in a Week 2 victory over the Atlanta Falcons, and two in a Week 15 victory over the Denver Broncos, including one he returned for an 85-yard touchdown.
Durant and Derion Kendrick appear on track to start at cornerback.
Familiar face: Former Arizona Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury attended the workout. Kingsbury had a 28-37-1 record as coach of the Cardinals from 2019 to 2022. He is now a senior offensive analyst at USC.
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znModeratorRams rookie WR Puka Nacua is standing out in OTAs this spring. WR Cooper Kupp and HC Sean McVay explain why, with Nacua also sharing insight into his work ethic that's made the transition smooth so far: https://t.co/4WH8JRPKy2
— Stu Jackson (@StuJRams) June 8, 2023
znModeratorThe Rams are bringing in another veteran receiver, agreeing to terms with former Chiefs and Ravens WR Demarcus Robinson
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Couple things stand out to me about Demarcus Robinson – he’s a competitive vet; they don’t have a heck of a lot of veteran WRs fully practicing right now, and a lot of players who need to learn how. And, he has return experience – that entire competition has yet to materialize.Long, long way to go until September. Lots to learn still about several players in that group.
So much of what they’re doing right now across the whole roster is learning how to practice and apply stuff from film room for the first time. Several vets aren’t practicing. Super helpful to have a consistent player like him around for a while.
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Robinson, 4th round, 2016
from https://www.nfl.com/prospects/demarcus-robinson/3200524f-4239-9065-1db8-5ff5da8a3829
HEIGHT6’ 1’’WEIGHT203 lbsARM33’’HAND9 1/2’’.By Lance ZierleinOverviewImmensely talented with elite combination of straight-line speed and quick-twitch athleticism. Robinson flashes game-breaking potential as a deep ball threat and after the catch, but was suspended by two different coaches over a three-year period. While Robinson is likely to test off the charts and has the talent to be a top four receiver in this draft, it is hard to imagine his draft slot equaling his talent due to his character concerns.Strengths- Talent jumps off the tape early in the session
- Electric vertical talent that can make cornerbacks rethink their coverage plans
- Has shake at the line of scrimmage to free himself against press coverage and has adequate ball tracking skills
- Graceful, flexible athlete with instant turbo acceleration
- Has ability to hit the home run after the catch
- Races off the line and forced cornerbacks into retreat opening easy comeback catches
- Has talent and ability to make a living outside or from the slot
Weaknesses- Routes can be lazy at times
- Will need to improve with selling fakes at break point of his routes as a pro
- Too reliant on athleticism and speed over improvement of skill level
- Hands are a concern with 11 drops to 106 catches at Florida
- Plays smaller than his listed size
- Suspended four times while at Florida
- Scouts call him immature and selfish
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remembering the great rams defenses of the 70s and 80s, the post white and blue uniform defenses that sent 18 guys to the pro bowl, that finished the season top 5 or better in fewest offensive points allowed 10 different times: pic.twitter.com/JI4QS4JvSW
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) June 8, 2023
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Nacua, a fifth-round rookie, has stood out in OTAs and was called "pretty special" by Cooper Kupp https://t.co/opzNwdoZfL
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) June 7, 2023
znModeratorThe Rams are bringing in another veteran receiver, agreeing to terms with former Chiefs and Ravens WR Demarcus Robinson https://t.co/a7NwEeqjPV
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) June 8, 2023
znModeratorThe Rams’ specialists are all rookies, which seems like the football equivalent of riding a roller coaster with no crossbar – until you get to know these young dudes, their work behind the scenes, and their unique, high-octane coaches: https://t.co/y96XSSyure
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) June 8, 2023
znModerator9 things we learned from Rams’ draft-focused episode of ‘Behind The Grind’
Cameron DaSilva
9 things we learned from Rams’ draft-focused episode of ‘Behind The Grind’
The Los Angeles Rams released Episode 2 of their “Hard Knocks”-style web series called “Behind The Grind”, with this episode focusing primarily on the 2023 NFL draft. It gives fans a behind-the-scenes look at everything that goes on in the days leading up to the draft, as well as the process during the three days of selecting players.
Cameras were all over the Rams’ draft house to capture the conversations of Sean McVay, Les Snead and others, which revealed exactly what the team was thinking throughout the draft. In this episode, we learned just how far up the Rams wanted to trade in the first round, how high they were on Kobie Turner and got a good look at the collaborative process with Snead, McVay and those involved in the selection process.
Here are nine things we learned from Episode 2 of the team’s fantastic show.
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Rams’ draft room is incredibly open and collaborative
The Rams don’t just draft based on the opinions of McVay and Snead. They have position coaches, personnel evaluators and scouting analysts in the building when picks are made, weighing the opinions of many before making a selection.Obviously, Snead is the primary decision-maker, but he takes into account how his coaches and talent evaluators feel about a player. McVay is always willing to trust Snead’s gut and primary instinct, deferring to him because of all the work he puts in leading up to the draft.
It’s truly fun to watch Snead and McVay work in tandem while the draft is going on.
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Kevin Demoff is more excited about 2023 team than last year’s group
There was a lot of hype about the Rams in 2022 coming off their Super Bowl win. They were one of the favorites to win it all again, only to come up way short with a 5-12 record, largely due to injuries.Yet, even with as much pre-season excitement as there was about the Rams potentially running it back,” COO Kevin Demoff is more excited about this year’s team.
“I am so excited for what this team can become,” he said. “I think some of you have heard me say this and it’ll sound crazy, but I promise you it’s not. I am more excited about this team going into 2023 at this point in the year than I was for last year’s team going into 2022.”
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Rams looked as high as No. 16 to trade up
Though the Rams didn’t have a first-round pick, they didn’t just sit on their hands and enjoy the show. They were proactive in trying to move up. It was reported recently that they targeted five different offensive players in the first round and in this “Behind The Grind” episode, we found out just how high the Rams were looking.McVay asked Snead at what point a trade up makes sense, and Snead replied by asking whether the Rams should call Washington at No. 16 overall.
“What do you really think begins to make sense?” McVay said.
“I wonder if you call Washington,” Snead replied.
4Rams didn’t want to trade 2nd-round pick in 2024 to move up
Snead was on the phone with a member of another team, presumably a GM, talking about a potential trade into the first round. We don’t know who he was talking to, but the other team wanted the Rams’ second-round pick in a potential trade up, which Snead wasn’t interested in doing.“We wouldn’t do the next year’s two,” Snead said. “I don’t mind talking about next year but this year’s picks would be better.”
5McVay was talking to Kevin O’Connell about trading up to No. 23
At one point in the first round, McVay was pondering a trade up. He asked a couple of members of the Rams’ personnel group whether it would make sense to trade up to No. 23, citing Vikings coach Kevin O’Connell’s interest in moving down after talking to him throughout the night.“I’ve been talking with O’Connell. I think they’re trying to get out. Would that still make the most sense for us?” Snead asked.
The Vikings didn’t end up trading down, standing pat and selecting Jordan Addison.
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Les Snead loves Steve Avila’s run blocking
When the Rams were on the clock at No. 36, they were working through their options. Avila was one of their top targets and when discussing his game, Snead was fired up about his run-blocking ability.“This guy’s a clinic in the run game. I know he can play the run. I know he can run block,” Snead said confidently.
The Rams felt he was the best offensive lineman on the board and ultimately the best player for them, excitedly selecting the TCU product in the second round.
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Rams were looking for players to complement Aaron Donald
In the third round, the Rams were weighing their options in terms of positions to target. It’s clear they were eyeing defensive players and McVay mentioned the importance of finding guys who complement Donald up front.He felt taking an edge rusher would be best, which is why the Rams selecting Tennessee’s Byron Young.
“Whether it’s edge or interior, it’s like, who complements AD and is also better for us long-term? I think addressing the rusher, whoever you guys think is the best, is the smart thing. Go with your gut.”
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Snead, Raheem Morris and Eric Henderson all loved Kobie Turner at No. 89
The Rams’ second pick in the third round made for an interesting discussion. Snead was high on Turner at No. 89, but he wondered if they should take him that early.He wasn’t the only one who loved Turner’s game. Defensive line coach Eric Henderson was also in the room, as was Morris, and both were big fans of Turner. Henderson and Morris’ opinions helped confirm Snead’s gut feeling that the Rams should select Turner.
“My favorite football player is Wake Forest. I just don’t know if this is where we pick him,” Snead said.
“Les, the one thing I appreciate is the conviction on something. If all these guys go, who you gonna be the most pissed about?” McVay asked
“Oh, that dude right there,” Snead said, referring to Turner.
“If you feel strongly about it, I’m (expletive) with you 100%,” McVay replied.
McVay then asked if there was a better defensive player on the board for the Rams at that point.
“Not based on what we are going to use him for,” Morris said.
“My thing is we’re gonna be (expletive) furious if we lose this (expletive) guy,” McVay said.
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Stetson Bennett kept jumping out to Snead when watching defenders against Georgia
In the fourth round, the Rams selected Bennett – a player Snead loved throughout the draft process. At one point, Demoff even said to Snead that he’d been on Bennett “for months.”What turned Snead onto Bennett was the way he jumped out when Snead was watching SEC defenders against Georgia. He kept noticing Bennett’s game, viewing him as more of a weapon than a game-manager for the Bulldogs.
“I would always watch SEC defenders against Georgia’s OL because they got a good OL and it’s like, damn, this Stetson Bennett. Everybody said he was the damn walk-on. This guy’s actually a weapon,” Snead said.
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znModeratorDan Campbell says Jared Goff is better now than he was with the Rams
from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2023/06/07/rams-sean-mcvay-jared-goff-lions-improve-detroit/
Goff agreed with Campbell’s statement, and Sean McVay essentially did, too. Reporters asked McVay about Campbell’s comments Tuesday and asked whether he feels the same way about Goff’s improvement.
“I think Jared’s played at a really high level. I’ll tell you what, though, when you watch what he did last year, he played great,” McVay said. “And I think because he’s so conscientious, repetition is the mother of learning. The more you play, the more you learn. You can really see he’s able to get through progressions quickly. They were asking a lot of him. He got a lot of different guys involved, took great care of the football, and so I think he’s only gotten better. He played really good football here for us, really grateful for those things. But I was really impressed with just the way that he led and the way that he ended up demonstrating a lot of the things that we want to embody, that mental toughness. I think he was like 29-7 in terms of touchdowns, interceptions, one of the better ratios, and threw for a bunch of yards and they were one of the top offenses. I was really happy to see how well he did. I think that’s probably a fair assessment because he’s only getting better.”
June 7, 2023 at 7:10 am in reply to: the 2023 OL thread (w/ definitive article posted on 5/30) #144321
znModeratorBrian Allen was ranked as the 12th-best center in the NFL, which is a bit higher than expected https://t.co/Xm8y7yCnbk
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) June 6, 2023
znModeratorDan Campbell says Jared Goff is better now than he was with the Rams, and I think he's right.
As Campbell said, Goff is asked to do "a lot more" in Detroit than he was in LA https://t.co/7btvaCHRjv
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) June 6, 2023
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znModeratorBT: yes the chat app still works.
znModeratorErnest Jones has been impressed by Tutu Atwell in OTAs thus far, saying he’s taken “the next step” this year https://t.co/Kn7qHRy09a
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) June 5, 2023
znModeratorName a team trying to be the Rams more than the Buffalo Bills.
Former Rams (McVay era) on the Bills:
David Edwards
Von Miller
Leonard Floyd
Taylor Rapp
Aaron Kromer https://t.co/bi5h72zrwu— Blaine Grisak 💭 (@bgrisakTST) June 5, 2023
znModeratorDolphin saves a dog that fell into the sea from the boat pic.twitter.com/BtTi2e6p7a
— Gabriele Corno (@Gabriele_Corno) June 3, 2023
znModeratorDid….did she really just say what I think she said?pic.twitter.com/yAQx82Tfmb
— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) June 4, 2023
znModeratorVishal p. Singh was at Saticoy Elementary in North Hollywood Friday when the demonstrations against reading "The Great Big Book of Families" turned violent & he shares his story & some footage of the event.
Fun Fact: Vishal was banned from Twitter at personal request of Andy Ngo pic.twitter.com/6qyPGnDCdE
— ChudsOfTikTok (@ChudsOfTikTok) June 4, 2023
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