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znModeratorAccording to @PFF, OL Kevin Dotson has the 6th-best offensive grade among offensive linemen (83.7) and is the highest-graded guard in the NFL. He also has the 10th-best run blocking grade among offensive linemen (84.8) and the 4th-highest among guards. #RamsHouse pic.twitter.com/swVarM43Ua
— Los Angeles Rams PR (@TheLARamsPR) November 22, 2023
znModeratorGary Klein@LATimeskleinRams rookie punter Ethan Evans was named NFC special teams player of week, NFL announced.
znModeratorAaron Donald is a master at splitting double teams.
Absolutely blows up this play. Good contain by Byron Young on the edge. No chance for Zach Charbonnet. pic.twitter.com/sfiH6B86WM
— Blaine Grisak đ (@bgrisakTST) November 22, 2023
znModeratorMcVay after the game…
"Felt like the screen on the third down had a chance to be able to get punched in. Looked like we had some space right there."
Can confirm. Not sure why Hendo cut this inside. pic.twitter.com/cmKp4iYBmU
— Blaine Grisak đ (@bgrisakTST) November 22, 2023
znModeratorWith more time, Stafford maybe hits Puka Nacua on the deep corner.
However, he HAS to be able to see Davis Allen underneath on the checkdown. It's an easy first down. Offense went three-and-out here. pic.twitter.com/xhrv1evZ8J
— Blaine Grisak đ (@bgrisakTST) November 22, 2023
znModeratorAll effort sack by Jonah Williams. Total motor. Love how he literally puts the OT on skates. Big play during this part of the game pic.twitter.com/B91xSQoTsc
— RAMZILLA (@elitster) November 22, 2023
znModeratorI love Piccolo too. Â It was horrible watching him get gunned down in his car by a competing Mafia family
But in the end he took the ring to the volcano, where it was destroyed.
znModeratorAlso, if we can go beyond the Rams for the best running backs weâve ever seen . . .
I tend not to watch other backs. I don’t know what it is, but, if a great back is a Ram I pay attention, but if there’s other great backs in the league I don’t go out of my way to watch them. I mostly see them if they play the Rams. Like Marshawn Lynch, that’s how I would see guys like him. I mostly got to know other great backs by watching NFL.com’s “A Football Life.” So that’s Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, James Brown, Terrell Davis, Thurman Thomas, Earl Campbell, Gale Sayers. There’s some guys I won’t watch on “A Football Life” either and only ever saw at all if they played the Rams, guys like LaDainian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson. I never really saw Czonka or Jim Taylor etc. NFL backs kind of bore me, Rams backs interest me.
The occassional back that wasn’t on anyone’s “all time great” list would catch my eye sometimes. For example, when Michael Turner was with the Falcons, I really liked his style. And Fred Taylor is another one that comes to mind. Mostly though–and this is very sacrilegious I know–great backs bore me. It’s mostly as I said just Rams backs that always interested me. That’s part of the “Wendell Tyler” controversy. Tyler was a very dynamic back with the Rams. But he’s not a league-wide caliber “great back of all time.” So I actually saw much more of Tyler than I ever did Walter Payton or Barry Sanders, though I obviously recognie the brilliance of guys like Sanders…but that’s mostly seen through “A Football Life,” as I said.
Part of that is because basically, I never really watched “the NFL” on home tv. For years I would rely on sports bars and would just go position myself to see the Rams games. Rarely would I have a game on that wasn’t the Rams if it were my own tv…it’s like, no the NFL is for sports bars, tv is for watching “Cheers” or “Absolutely Fabulous” or for watching old movies a thousand times over the years. (I never watch tv news, ever, local or cable–nothin.) It’s funny, to some people Sunday Ticket seems expensive, but years of going to sports bars probably cost more per season than Sunday Ticket does (oh and I don’t drink alcohol, so that wasn’t the expense, it was ordering appetizers and meals that cost. To occupy a table in a sports bar you have to think about the wait staff and can’t just take up space, you have to order things for 3 hours and tip well. Tip well to the point where you’re known as a great tipper the minute you walk in the door, and they know you’re not just this cheap loud rude beer guzzling a-hole Patz fan or something).
znModeratorRookie defensive tackle Kobie Turner is putting together a promising rookie season. He is on pace for 68 tackles from the interior position.
Turner has great instincts and acceleration for his size. He looks to be a mainstay in the rotation for years to come pic.twitter.com/amXGwqhv9X
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) November 21, 2023
znModerator, Iâm not sure Iâd have W.Tyler that high on the list.
Sry, of necessity this includes some plays as a 9er.
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znModeratorIâm not saying I have the answer or that âout of syncâ isnât a real issue, but it doesnât really tell us much. It can simply be a wastebasket term where we toss problems that are hard to identify.
well i would guess injuries would be the main culprit for being out of sync. but yeah iâm really only guessing.
Injuries explain Higbee.
And quite possibly Stafford.
And maybe Kupp.
It’s just that the young team of 2023 doesn’t have a lot of room for errors or for waning production from the stars.
Being “out of sync” is not a cause, of course, it’s a symptom. When we say an offense looks out of sync, we mean that it lacks the cohesion and timing needed to be effective. One example is Higbee missing wham blocks. Another is Stafford missing wide open throws. Another is Kupp dropping passes he usually doesn’t drop. Saying they are out of sync is not diagnosing a cause, it’s describing obvious flaws in their play and production.
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znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothersDerion Kendrick was the 212th pick in the 2022 draft (6th round). His numbers from yesterday are pretty staggering as a 2nd year guy. Per @PFF: targeted 8 times, allowed 3 receptions for 21 yards. Had the game-winning INT and allowed a 6.3 passer rating. Did he earn a second chance in your eyes? Durant was out and DK had a ton of responsibility with Seattleâs WR corps
znModeratorI would argue that Stafford was in sync with Kupp in his first two games coming off of IR
Well you could be right. I dunno. He went from 21 targets and 15 receptions in his first 2 games back down to 9 catches on 25 targets in his last 4. He was never this bad before.
He’s been “off” this year though, that’s for sure, even if it’s just 4 games that’s doing it. This season he is down to a 52.2% catch rate, the lowest of his career (the previous low was 66% and every other season he’s in the 70s). And a 43.5% success rate, also the lowest of his career (PFR says success rate means “a play that gains at least 40% of yards required on 1st down, 60% of yards required on 2nd down, and 100% on 3rd or 4th down”). This year he’s averaging 4 catches a game when previously that was more like 6-7.
And it’s Higbee too.
znModeratorThis season either due to age or injury, Kupp isnât open as much.
I don’t think it’s that, meaning I don’t think it’s age or injury. I have firm absolute evidence of that which I’ve already sent you, I promise it’s in the mail. đ Anyway I think it’s more about timing and chemistry due to not practicing/playing as much. Game speed. That kind of thing. They are not in sync. It does look like Nacua is the better first read at this point and that Kupp isn’t getting it done in that role. This is bothersome the same way Higbee is–Higbee isn’t himself either but McV insists on starting him in spite of depth at TE. When Stafford, Kupp, and Higbee are all off at the same time it’s a mess.
znModeratorIâm just a little disappointed by some of things I saw.
That’s there. It’s obvious. But then at the same time Kupp is not himself for whatever reason to the point where they’re better when he’s out of the game, Stafford is still not himself entirely, and Higbee is not himself either–he was missing wham blocks in the Green Bay game too. Those things make a difference on a young team.
But 4th quarter resilience is a good thing, especially for a young team–it’s good for a young team to learn the hard way that you can come back from your own mistakes and miscues and win when it counts.
Smith going out helped. Endless Seattle penalties helped. A missed FG with nothing on the clock helped. But…we’ve seen them still lose games like that in the genuinely bad years. IMO it means something that a young team in a re-set year experiences winning a tough game ugly.
On a personal note, I realized near the end of the game how wrong I was about something for most of the game. At first the run game wasn’t getting much done and I kept asking in the chat room, what is Freeman doing getting all the carries, where’s Henderson. But Freeman ended up with a productive game, including the final scoring drive where they took the lead (he had 25 yards on 5 carries in that drive). He was a strong factor in coming back and winning.
November 20, 2023 at 3:39 pm in reply to: twitter, reporters, etc. + big articles — the Seattle game #146899
znModeratorRams-Seahawks takeaways: Cooper Kupp is injured again; Derion Kendrick recovers
GARY KLEIN
What we learned from the victory that improved the Ramsâ record to 4-6:
Itâs been a tough season for the 2021 NFL offensive player of the year. Kupp left the field during the first half because of an ankle injury and did not play in the second half.
It is the latest setback for the Rams star, who in 2022 suffered a season-ending ankle injury that required surgery.
Kupp started this season on injured reserve because of a hamstring injury. He returned in Week 5 and caught passes for more than 100 yards in each of his first two games.
He has struggled since.
Kupp went into the game against the Seahawks with only eight catches for 98 yards in the previous three games. On Sunday, he had one reception for 11 yards.
Matthew Stafford still has thumb issues
Stafford engineered two late-scoring drives to win the game, but the 15th-year pro said he still is not at 100% because of the right thumb sprain suffered against Dallas on Oct. 29.
Stafford had sat out the last game against the Green Bay Packers.
âIâm not 100%, but Iâm good enough to go out there and make some plays,â he said, adding, âThereâs some I missed ⊠that have nothing to do with that.â
Stafford completed 17 of 31 passes for 190 yards and a touchdown, with an interception.
Stafford has passed for nine touchdowns this season, with eight interceptions.
Cornerback Derion Kendrick came up big
Kendrick, a second-year pro, got his first career interception when he picked off a long pass by Seahawks backup quarterback Drew Lock. The turnover set up what proved to be the game-winning field goal.
Kendrick, a sixth-round pick in 2022, started six games as a rookie. He made multiple plays on the ball but missed several chances for interceptions.
This season has been a struggle on and off the field.
Kendrick faces two misdemeanor gun charges for an October arrest in Hollywood. (His arraignment was postponed to Dec. 5). He briefly lost his starting job the week of the incident, and then lost it again after playing poorly against the Dallas Cowboys, but Kendrick was back in the lineup against the Seahawks.
He drew an unnecessary roughness penalty in the first quarter, but came back and made the defensive play of the game.
Lucas Havrisik made a pressure-packed kick
Havrisik has been with the Rams for just three games, but he did not flinch in his first game-winning opportunity. Havrisikâs 22-yard field goal with 1 minute, 31 seconds left provided the final margin.
Havrisik has made four of five field-goal attempts since replacing Brett Maher.
Bobby Brown III, Ernest Jones return with flourish
Brown came off injured reserve and made an immediate impact. The third-year pro combined with linebacker Ernest Jones to sack Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith in the third quarter.
It was the first career sack for Brown. Jones returned to the lineup after sitting out against Green Bay because of a knee injury. He recorded a team-best 12 tackles.
Royce Freeman, Darrell Henderson ran hard
With Kyren Williams not eligible to return from injured reserve until next Sunday against Arizona, Freeman seized the opportunity and rushed for 73 yards in 17 carries.
Henderson rushed for a six-yard touchdown and caught four passes for 28 yards.
Stafford missed a wide-open Henderson on a sideline route that would have resulted in a long gain, possibly a touchdown.
znModeratorNotable PFF grades from @RamsNFL Week 11 win vs SEA:
Donald 86.9
Puka 84.8
Rozeboom 81.3
J. Williams 76.1
Kendrick 73.5
Robinson 72.5
Freeman 72.0
Hoecht 71.8
Dotson 71.5
Turner 71.4 pic.twitter.com/0TAeChflYV— J.B. Long (@JB_Long) November 20, 2023
znModeratorRams Week 11 OL PFF Grades:
Alaric Jackson – 80.4 PBLK | 43.9 RBLK
Steve Avila – 76.5 | 53.5
Coleman Shelton – 62.1 | 55.6
Kevin Dotson – 85.3 | 63.7
Rob Havenstein – 62.3 | 68.410 pressures allowed.
— Blaine Grisak đ (@bgrisakTST) November 20, 2023
znModeratorPuka Nacua was pure energy in the gritty win over Seattle.
The rookie had a crucial TD before the end of the half and then clutch yardage on the go ahead score drive to finish the 4th quarter pic.twitter.com/uoIzjS6xSt
— RAMS ON FILM (@RamsOnFilm) November 20, 2023
znModerator.@AsapPuka ANGRY RUNNIN'! đ€Ź pic.twitter.com/Smprxpc70M
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) November 20, 2023
znModeratorRams Brothers@RamsBrothersPuka Nacua needs just 103 receiving yards to get to 1,000 total on the season. Heâd be the 1st Rams rookie EVER to haul in 1k receiving yards. In their 86 year history.
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..Stu Jackson@StuJRamsMatthew Stafford took a massive hit to his midsection after that throw and got attention from medical staff...
Penalty? Yes or no? pic.twitter.com/krhmJXx4eP
— Allen Sales (@AllenSales) November 20, 2023
znModeratorBlaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTWin against Seattle shows just how much growth this Rams team has accomplished. As a young team, important to learn how to win messy games/win ugly. That’s not something they have done. They’ve lost those games i.e. CIN, PIT. This was a big win for their development..Following the interception on the opening drive of the fourth quarter, Stafford went 7-for-11 for 111 yards.
znModeratorCant quibble with any of that. Though If i were to quibble, Iâm not sure Iâd have W.Tyler that high on the list.
You’re only lukewarm about Tyler because of your inexplicably irrational prejudice about fumbles.
“All great backs fumble.” Wendell Tyler, sometime in the late 7os.
Cappelletti was indeed everything you say he was.
znModeratorBlaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTRoyce Freeman had another extremely efficient day running the ball for the Rams. Among RBs with at least 15 carries, Freeman led the NFL in rushing yards over expected per attempt in Week 11. Zero negative runs. He’s added a “Sony Michel-like” physicality to the run game..One of the more underrated plays yesterday for the Rams was Freeman’s second-effort run to pick up the first down on 3rd-and-2. Really excited to see what he and Kyren Williams do together. Williams and Freeman need to be the duo moving forward.
znModeratorJared Goff goes from 2-INT first half to taking the lead in the first half. Nice rebound.
I guess after the media labels you a bust before you get a full season of starts and your coach scapegoats you, nothing much fazes you. pic.twitter.com/CisnzJzRDi
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) November 20, 2023
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Jared Goff ainât your McVay scapegoat. pic.twitter.com/SyteOqQrwc
— Matt Waldman (@MattWaldman) November 20, 2023
November 20, 2023 at 10:25 am in reply to: twitter, reporters, etc. + big articles — the Seattle game #146877
znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue: https://theathletic.com/5076294/2023/11/20/rams-win-lessons-learned-sean-mcvay/?source=emp_shared_article.I wanted to open up a thread in here to talk about that sequence that eventually became the game-winning field goal…as you can see, I asked both McVay and Stafford about it (with a focus on the empty set + pass call on second and 7). Here’s what I can tell you from what I gathered, both at press conferences and behind the scenes….So those comments. Both really believed in the call. Strictly from their perspective, I actually get it. The pre-snap formation helped get Puka the exact “iso” matchup McVay and Stafford wanted, when paired with what would be a throw that led Puka with the correct underneath leverage, a play they make all the time. These comments indicate that both McVay and Stafford factored in two specific scenarios: That Nacua, the No. 1 WR at that point when working with a favorable matchup because it didn’t get the DB help/in short space and an underneath throw almost impossible to deflect without drawing a foul or overcommitting. Foul would be beneficial to Rams, a TD would obviously be beneficial (and ideal, based on the alignment and call) and even a drop tackle at the 1 would still have a similar effect as a run play. None of that happened; instead what both indicate as the lowest-probability outcome happened, a PBU that stopped time. So then they run the screen, considered a piece of their run game in this system, because best case it gets a TD worst case it’s still taking time off the clock. Again, speaking from what I believe is THEIR perspective not personally weighing in, I can see both arguments including running/killing clock. Also, no way did McVay believe Smith was coming back in so they were betting on Lock with a large portion of field, at that point (because the third down was planned to kill time!) no time outs and inside the two-min..OK, so again, I totally get this. I ALSO totally get the cries to run it on that second down. In terms of the alignment pre-snap, that’s what helped get the leveraged matchup so IF you’re determined to run that play THEN that is the math alignment..I also wanted to offer a theory, which would not have been responsible to put in the column. I thought back to that four-down sequence earlier in the game, and then these comments about calling the call for the TD. And I’m like, OK…is this McVay being more aggressive? Now, the results don’t necessarily reflect that in a positive way from this game. But the thinking/process itself…he’s openly stating he’s calling for the TD, not just the go-ahead FG. And I’m not trying to put some sort of spin on this, and again I do see both opinions here, simply thinking out loud and thinking that is VERY interesting. Everything he said and then everything I gathered behind the scenes pointed toward: calls may have failed/outcomes weren’t all positive, but the late-down decisions seem to reflect a more aggressive process, which he seemed to double down on publicly postgame.November 20, 2023 at 10:13 am in reply to: twitter, reporters, etc. + big articles — the Seattle game #146876
znModeratorRodrigue: Rams say theyâll learn from Sundayâs win, so here are some lessons
By Jourdan Rodrigue
INGLEWOOD, Calif. â Music boomed and thudded through the Los Angeles locker room just minutes after a missed field goal by Seattle secured the Ramsâ fourth win of the season, their first in November since 2020.
The celebration was tinged with some relief: The Rams scored just 17 points Sunday in their 17-16 effort, another sub-20-point outing for a team averaging only 19.5 points per game (No. 22 in the NFL) under its offensive-minded coach and veteran quarterback.
âThereâs a lot of things that we can learn from, offensively,â coach Sean McVay said. âBut it sure feels good to be able to do that after a win.â
Receiver Cooper Kupp left during the second quarter with an ankle injury and did not return. Kupp stayed out on the sideline in uniform, believing he might be able to come back in. McVay had no update about Kuppâs status.
In his absence, creativity with other receivers was a necessity (as was their need to step up). Lesson No. 1 of the day, on that side of the ball anyway. On the Ramsâ two touchdown drives, there was a four-to-five run-to-pass play balance, and Stafford divvied the ball to four different targets per drive. Now, readers know I am not a strict âequal run-to-pass balanceâ person, understanding that the offense should also be fluid to capitalize where it sees leverages and advantages. However, the Rams, especially minus Kupp on both drives, needed to keep an expanded play-menu intact. Keeping the Seattle defense accountable for the run, and therefore opening the potential of moving Matthew Staffordâs pocket, was important.
Non-scoring drives revealed where this roster still has to go. On more than one occasion, including a couple of hits and throwaways, Stafford held the ball while searching for an open receiver and couldnât always find one. The Rams opened the game with a three-and-out and got no push on the line of scrimmage inside Seattleâs 5-yard line on their second drive of a scoreless first quarter. That was after getting 59 net penalty yards on the drive â only to stall out on fourth-and-2 (a pass play, after three failed runs) instead of imposing physicality in short yardage.
âYou have four (first-half) drives, I believe it was, you end up going three-and-out on two of them, so itâs hard to have any sort of rhythm,â McVay said. âWe go right down the field (on the penalty-yards drive), then it wasnât a really good call on fourth down. There were a couple of previous plays where I thought we could have executed better. So you come away with no points right there. So thatâs tough.â
Offensive line will have to be an area of focus this spring, even after some personnel improvements last offseason. So, too, will receiver (another Kupp injury is a sobering reality, though the seriousness of his current situation isnât yet known) and running back, though the Rams expect starter Kyren Williams to return from injured reserve next week. A harder topic to mull: Although Stafford reiterated that his still-recovering thumb did not limit what the Rams were able to call Sunday, he also admitted he is not â100 percentâ and took a massive shot to the stomach/chest on an underthrown ball that was intercepted in the third quarter. The longer-term health of two of the players the Rams refer to as âweight-bearing wallsâ is constantly under scrutiny.
The hit seemed to fuel Stafford, though.
âI donât know, I mean, it pissed me off,â he said, chuckling. âI donât know if I need to take that level of a shot every week to get going.â
McVay added with a laugh, âMaybe we should punch him in the gut right before games, huh?â
A 32-yard dig concept to Puka Nacua later in that third quarter, threaded through double coverage that included star linebacker Bobby Wagner, was Staffordâs best throw of the game and helped set up the final go-ahead field goal.
âNo. 9, the best in the world,â Nacua said, laughing. âThe ability for him to hang in the pocket and put the ball anywhere.â
On defense, too, the team says it will keep learning, even in a strong finish. Cornerback Derion Kendrick was a good example Sunday. Kendrick all but lost his starting spot but got back the role because Cobie Durant was inactive Sunday with a shoulder injury. Kendrick had a rough start to the game â he had a penalty and was visibly frustrated with himself for miscommunicating on an assignment that ended up as a crucial second-down conversion on Seattleâs first touchdown drive â but batted down a Drew Lock pass attempt in the fourth quarter, and then intercepted Lock on a deep sideline one-on-one matchup with Tyler Lockett two plays later.
âI commend Derion,â inside linebacker Ernest Jones said. âHe worked himself back into it. He wasnât a starter at the beginning of the week, but the way he prepared and got himself going, he came out and he executed like we know all year â Derion, a few mistakes here and there. But when itâs time to go play, heâll rise to the occasion.â
Seattle extended its opening drives with third- and even fourth-down conversions as the Rams offense couldnât sustain anything. The Rams defense was on the field for almost 20 minutes in the first half â almost double its offenseâs time of possession â but clamped down in the second half, holding the Seahawks to 1-for-8 on third down and just three points while flipping the time of possession advantage.
McVay gave the defensive captains game balls in the locker room after the win, among them Jones, saying repeatedly that the defense kept the Rams in the game.
âWe were able to just keep everybody together,â said Jones, who led the Rams with 12 tackles, a half-sack and two quarterback hits, cradling his ball under his arm. âI pride myself on, when these guys get down or start second-guessing themselves, I want to lift them up, âHey, youâre still a dog, youâre still a baller.â This game ball means more to me than most, the most that Iâve ever gotten. Iâm thankful.â
In the second half, the Rams mixed in new ideas on defense â a lesson in adjustments, in thinking outside the box with personnel even with a limited roster.
The Rams will have to address their cornerback position and sorely need to add pass-rushing help after this season. Midseason, they are working with and developing the guys theyâve got. That means trying new things.
Instead of bringing a third cornerback in to play the slot/star, they expanded a different sub package to include four safeties, two in hybrid âcover linebackerâ roles and two in their usual single- or two-high look. They especially did this on known passing downs (third-and-medium or third-and-long) and had two stops in this look (the Seahawks converted a fourth down after one of them). Safety Russ Yeast also broke up a pass while covering in a hybrid role.
They also mixed up their pressures, including blitzes and even some funky pre-snap movement along their defensive line, which led to a sack.
âThey were the key to the game,â McVay said of the Ramsâ second-half defense. âItâs always a team game, (but) I thought for them not to be affected by some of the things we were struggling with and our offense was struggling with as a whole, they just kept playing. They kept competing. They kept it to a tight game.â
In a perfect world, the Rams arenât depending on a missed kick by their opponent to secure a win. But they entered this season knowing they werenât going to exist in a perfect world, nor with a perfect roster â or even one that is a player or two away.
They say they have learned a lot in their six losses; they gained a lot to chew on in their fourth win, too.
âThere was a lot of things that didnât go our way, but they just kept staying the course, they kept just learning from it,â McVay said. âI think learning how to win and learning how to identify those moments where the game pivots and you get a chance to be able to come away with (these) results, youâve got to learn how to do that. Well, whatâs the way to learn? You feel what these feelings feel like.â
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