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  • in reply to: round 6, pick 217… Rams take C Beaux Limmer #150697
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    from https://clutchpoints.com/meet-rams-2024-nfl-draft-class-grades-all-10-picks

    Beaux Limmer, OL, Arkansas

    Grade: A

    Limmer’s late-round availability was unexpected given his athleticism. His versatility in playing multiple positions on the line, combined with his impressive combine performance, makes him a valuable pick.

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    from https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-draft-grades-for-every-team-eagles-patriots-chiefs-deliver-cowboys-panthers-receive-poor-marks/

    Les Snead is one of the most underrated GMs in the NFL. He proved that again with this draft. The Florida State duo with the first two picks — spectacular. Older but instant-impact types. Neither Corum nor Kinchens are premier athletes; they just handle their jobs at a high level. Jackson has some upside as a thick but sleek edge rusher, and Davis is one of the preeminent run-stopping defensive tackles in this class.

    Oh, and Limmer is an eventual starter given his time destroying worlds in the SEC as an explosive and powerful pivot.

    Grade: B+

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    in reply to: Rams 1st pick (19) is Jared Verse #150694
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    from https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-draft-ranking-7-best-pass-rushers-in-this-years-class/

    JARED VERSE, FLORIDA STATE

    Jared Verse starts the list of the 6.7 and above grades that represent true three-down starting edge rushers. Originally starting in the FCS ranks at Albany, Verse made the jump to Florida State in 2022 and immediately stood out.

    In 2023, he ranked third among edge prospects in SIS’s Pressure Rate Above Expectation stat, which adjusts pressure rate for game situations and the player’s alignment.

    SIS scout Nathan Cooper gave Verse a 7 in pass rush, hand use, play strength and pass rush repertoire. He also wrote, “Verse is a top-tier pass rusher with heavy hands and a bag of tricks that makes it difficult for linemen to block him.”

    from https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-draft-ranking-top-11-edge-rushers-prospects/

    Jared Verse Verse projects as a high-end starting edge rusher who fits best in an even front where he can rush with his hand in the ground, but there really isn’t a reason he can’t stand up on the edge as well. His pass rush ability is already at a very good level and with a little refinement and coaching at the next level, it can become elite.

    On third downs, he’ll be most effective and do the most damage with his power and repertoire as a wide-9 on the edge. He could also reduce down inside to use his length on interior linemen. He can stand in here and there on special teams, but with stamina, motor and tackling concerns, it’s likely not something to waste reps on.

    From https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Jared-Verse-DE-FloridaState

    SCOUTING REPORT: STRENGTHS

    Verse brings a seasoned pass-rush plan to the table, executing a myriad of initial and counter moves with polished technique and shrewd decision-making.
    The explosive first step is a cornerstone of his game, dictating pass-rush scenarios by imposing his will and disrupting offensive linemen’s rhythm off the snap.
    Elite athletic skills — Made Bruce Feldman’s 2023 ‘Freaks List’ at number 26. He wrote: “another year at FSU has enabled him to continue to develop, both physically and in his on-field skill set. At 6-3 1/2, 260 pounds, Verse power-cleans 360 pounds, squats 555 and benches 455, but he also has excellent burst, running 21.14 MPH in a game with a max acceleration of 5.85m/s with a max deceleration of -6.98m/s.”
    Exceptional bend and flexibility allow Verse to exploit the edge, dipping under offensive tackles and maintaining a tight, efficient path to the quarterback.
    Natural athletic gifts are evident in his lateral agility, enabling effective redirection and counter moves that continue to confound protective schemes.
    His functional strength shouldn’t be understated – Verse consistently delivers powerful punches and showcases the ability to hold his ground against heavier opponents.
    The motor on Verse runs incessantly, reflecting a high-effort player who brings relentless energy and pursuit from snap to whistle on every down.
    Hand usage is a notable strength, displaying rapid and potent strikes that effectively navigate through opposing linemen’s blocks to disrupt the backfield.
    A hallmark of his game, the palpable explosiveness, permeates through his every move, asserting dominance in gap penetration and providing a perpetual disruptive presence.

    SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES

    Verse, while maintaining exterior leverage, occasionally overshoots, enabling offensive schemes to exploit created lanes, undermining the run defense’s integrity and effectiveness.
    Despite a robust and physical approach to run defense, there’s a discernible lack of control in his tackling, often resulting in missed opportunities in the backfield.
    While the collegiate tackle-for-loss numbers are there, skepticism arises regarding the translatability of those statistics to the NFL, demanding further refinement in his approach.
    Anticipation and mental processing in run scenarios require elevation; enhancing block recognition and reactionary quickness out of his stance remains a pivotal area for development.
    Verse’s effective hand usage in pass-rush scenarios demands translation into run defense, ensuring that generated power and jolt are equivalently impactful across all play types.

     

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    from https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-draft-grading-every-teams-draft-class/
     LOS ANGELES RAMS: B+

    Following Aaron Donald’s retirement, the Los Angeles Rams focused on the defensive front seven with their first two picks of two Florida State teammates — EDGE Jared Verse and DT Braden Fiske. The Rams were without a first-round pick since 2016 before taking Verse, who has speed and power as one of the top edge rushers. He was taken at the bargain spot of No. 19.

    The Rams paid a high price (No. 2 picks in 2024 and 2025 and a 2024 fifth-rounder) to move up 13 spots in the second round) for Fiske, who is strong and quick but needs to become more consistent as a pass rusher.

    RB Blake Corum is an excellent third-round pick with great vision, and he had 27 TDs for Michigan last season. He’ll split time with Kyren Williams in Sean McVay’s offense. Fellow third-round pick Kamren Kinchens is a playmaking safety (11 interceptions over the last two seasons).

    On Day 3, the Rams added Brennan Jackson, who has pass-rushing skill from the edge, while DT Tyler Davis is a strong run-stopper up front. Joshua Karty fills the need for a new accurate kicker. Beaux Limmer should stick as a solid center.

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    from PFF, Most and least improved units after the 2024 NFL Draft:  https://www.pff.com/news/draft-most-and-least-improved-units-after-the-2024-nfl-draft

    LOS ANGELES RAMS DEFENSIVE LINE

    One of the sayings that we heard all offseason for the Rams was that they can’t replace Aaron Donald. The Rams certainly believed that to be true, and their response was to draft a plethora of new defensive linemen. They drafted Jared Verse in the first, traded up for Braden Fiske in the second, then brought in Brennan Jackson and Tyler Davis on Day 3. Combine those four with Kobie Turner and Byron Young from last year’s draft, and you have a completely new defensive line in Los Angeles.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Can confirm the reports that RB Boston Scott and the Rams have agreed to a one-year deal, per source.
    Didn’t expect that. Perhaps they see him as a return guy with the kickoff? Could spell trouble for Evans and/or Rivers. Although, McVay seems to genuinely like Rivers.

    I think Evans is on thin ice.

    The hit rate on backs taken after round 3 is remarkably bad. In terms of RBs the Rams have drafted, KW is the only successful one taken after round 3 in their entire history. (Yep, entire history. Unless you count Zack Stacy, which I don’t.)

    So now they have KW, Corum, Rivers, and Scott.

    They need Scott cause if they’re going to run 1A and 1B backs to keep the 1A fresher, than they need a 3rd guy to step in if either KW or Corum misses time. And/or, they don’t know how quickly Corum will learn to play on 3rd down so Scott covers it till Corum is up to snuff when it comes to that.

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    in reply to: Rams tweets etc. … 4/28 – 4/30 #150686
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Can confirm the reports that RB Boston Scott and the Rams have agreed to a one-year deal, per source.
    …
    Photo of Boston Scott

    Boston Scott

    Position: RB

    5-6, 203lb

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    in reply to: Rams tweets etc. … 4/28 – 4/30 #150680
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    in reply to: Rams off-season assessments & rankings & early previews #150667
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    Rams’ post NFL draft depth chart: OLB, DL filled out while CB depth remains a question

    https://theathletic.com/5458544/2024/04/30/la-rams-depth-chart-nfl-draft-update/?source=emp_shared_article

    What a difference a year makes, huh?

    Last offseason, the Los Angeles Rams were in the process of filling out one of the sketchiest-looking rosters (on paper) in the NFL. Fourteen draft picks in 2023 produced six starters or key depth contributors, and another 10 last week filled (on paper) remaining needs with some of their favorites in the class.

    Here’s what the roster looked like entering, and exiting, this year’s draft:

    Offense

    Quarterback

    WHEN STARTER 2ND TEAM 3RD TEAM
    PRE-DRAFT
    Jimmy Garoppolo
    Stetson Bennett
    POST-DRAFT
    Jimmy Garoppolo
    Stetson Bennett

    Despite some external speculation, I did not believe the Rams would take a quarterback in the early or middle rounds of this year’s draft. Stetson Bennett is back on campus, and while Jimmy Garoppolo will have to miss the first two games of the season because of an NFL-mandated suspension, the Rams have bigger issues at play if they need Garoppolo that early in the year.

    STATUS LT LG C RG RT
    PRE-DRAFT
    Alaric Jackson
    Jonah Jackson
    Steve Avila
    Kevin Dotson
    Rob Havenstein
    BACKUPS
    Warren McClendon
    Joe Noteboom
    Empty
    Noteboom
    Logan Bruss
    POST-DRAFT
    Alaric Jackson
    Jonah Jackson
    Steve Avila
    Kevin Dotson
    Rob Havenstein
    BACKUPS
    Warren McClendon
    Joe Noteboom
    Beaux Limmer
    KT Leveston
    Logan Bruss

    I composed it this way to showcase the broader depth chart along the Rams’ offensive line, but when they get down to game-day actives the backups really are just Joe Noteboom (swing player) and Warren McClendon (swing player). KT Leveston is a sneaky-great development pick, and I would like to see him stay at tackle. Beaux Limmer can be the backup center but could also plug in as a reserve guard.

    Wide receiver

    STATUS WR WR WR WR
    PRE-DRAFT
    Cooper Kupp
    Puka Nacua
    Demarcus Robinson
    Tutu Atwell
    2ND TEAM
    Empty
    Ben Skowronek
    Tyler Johnson
    Austin Trammell
    POST-DRAFT
    Cooper Kupp
    Puka Nacua
    Demarcus Robinson
    Tutu Atwell
    2ND TEAM
    Jordan Whittingham
    Ben Skowronek
    Tyler Johnson
    Austin Trammell

    I would keep an eye on Jordan Whittington, the Rams’ seventh-round pick, this spring and summer. General manager Les Snead, whose stepson is a long snapper at Texas (Whittington’s alma mater), gushed about the receiver and said everybody in the building referred to him as the Longhorns’ “heartbeat.” Whittington’s yards-after-catch ability, physical play style and resume on underneath concepts make him a fit for Sean McVay’s offense.

    Running back

    STATUS RB RB RB
    PRE-DRAFT
    Ronnie Rivers
    Zach Evans
    POST-DRAFT
    Blake Corum
    Ronnie Rivers

    Second team: Zach Evans

    McVay wanted to find a second running back, and he and position coach Ron Gould hoped to bring in a player similar to lead rusher Kyren Williams so that nothing schematic would need changing if Williams were to miss any time or has to keep fresher legs through a long season. Some fans raised their eyebrows at drafting a running back in the third round, but Blake Corum was one of their top players at the position and needed in light of Williams’ injury history, and the two remaining years on his contract.

    Tight end
    STATUS TE TE TE
    PRE-DRAFT
    * Tyler Higbee
    Colby Parkinson
    Davis Allen
    2ND TEAM
    * Hunter Long
    Miller Forristall
    Nikola Kalinic
    POST-DRAFT
    * Tyler Higbee
    Colby Parkinson
    Davis Allen
    2ND TEAM
    * Hunter Long
    Miller Forristall
    Nikola Kalinic

    Tyler Higbee and Hunter Long are both recovering from injuries. Colby Parkinson and Davis Allen will be the Nos. 1 and 2 tight ends in the meantime, with Higbee expected to return in the middle or later part of the season.

    Defensive line (interior)

    STATUS DL DL DL
    PRE-DRAFT
    Kobe Turner
    Bobby Brown III
    Desjuan Johnson
    2ND TEAM
    Larrell Murchison
    Cory Durden
    Empty
    POST-DRAFT
    Kobie Turner
    Bobby Brown III
    Braden Fiske
    2ND TEAM
    Desjuan Johnson
    Tyler Davis
    Larrell Murchison

    If Bobby Brown III can stay on the field at nose tackle, Kobie Turner and Braden Fiske will be able to play more of the three-technique/four, 4i roles that will allow them more opportunities to pass rush. I could also see Tyler Davis getting playing time earlier than expected.

    The Rams overpaid to get up to No. 39 for Fiske, but to them, the cost was worth it. If they didn’t trade back from No. 19, they would have traded into the 30s-40s anyway because their evaluations of the talent at defensive lineman dropped steeply after that. Further, once they picked outside linebacker Jared Verse at No. 19, they knew they would try to get FSU teammate Fiske to bring in instant chemistry along their front. The cost of the trade is the cost of that chemistry, versus spending a year learning how to rush off each other in a post-Aaron Donald world.

    STATUS OLB OLB
    PRE-DRAFT
    Byron Young
    Michael Hoecht
    POST-DRAFT
    Jared Verse
    Byron Young

    Pre-draft second team: Nick Hampton, Ochaun Mathis, Keir Thomas
    Post-draft second team: Michael Hoecht, Brennan Jackson, Hampton, Mathis

    Aside from the starters, it’s probably best to look at the depth players as a rotation because they will do different things. Hampton, for example, is a speed rusher, while Hoecht and Jackson are more power and could even move inside.

    Verse immediately lends significant firepower to this group.

    Inside linebacker

    STATUS ILB ILB
    PRE-DRAFT
    Ernest Jones
    Christian Rozeboom
    POST-DRAFT
    Ernest Jones
    Christian Rozeboom

    Second team: Jake Hummel

    As of now, Ernest Jones will play through his fourth season without a contract extension, but that could always change closer to training camp. This year’s inside linebackers draft class wasn’t considered to be a strong one.

    Safety

    STATUS SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY
    PRE-DRAFT
    Kamren Curl
    Quentin Lake
    2ND TEAM
    Russ Yeast
    Jason Taylor II
    POST-DRAFT
    Kamren Curl
    Quentin Lake
    Kamren Kinchens
    2ND TEAM
    Russ Yeast
    Jason Taylor II

    To get the promising Kamren Kinchens on the field earlier, the Rams may show more three-safety looks that also feature Quentin Lake in a “dime linebacker” role, or they could play Kam Curl in the “star” and keep Lake and Kinchens in the two-high pre-snap look.

    Cornerback

    STATUS CB CB CB
    PRE-DRAFT
    Darious Williams
    * Tre’Davious White
    Cobie Durant
    2ND TEAM
    Derion Kendrick
    Tre Tomlinson
    POST-DRAFT
    Darious Williams
    * Tre’Davious White
    Cobie Durant
    2ND TEAM
    Derion Kendrick
    Tre Tomlinson

    Depth is still a concern at cornerback, in consideration of the age of Darious Williams and Tre’Davious White and of White’s continued recovery from an Achilles repair surgery. The Rams will need Cobie Durant to take another step forward in 2024.

    Specialists

    STATUS LS P K
    PRE-DRAFT
    Alex Ward
    Ethan Evans
    Tanner Brown
    POST-DRAFT
    Alex Ward
    Ethan Evans
    Joshua Karty

    The Rams! Drafted! A kicker!!!!!!!

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    in reply to: round 6, pick 213… Rams take WR Jordan Whittington #150664
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    Instant Analysis: Why Jordan Whittington could be the steal of the draft for the Rams

    Brock Vierra

    https://sports.yahoo.com/instant-analysis-why-jordan-whittington-222308663.html#:~:text=A%20near%20Rhodes%20scholar%2Dlevel,be%20such%20a%20consistent%20player.

    Despite all the hype behind Xavier Worthy and AD Mitchell entering the NFL draft, it is without a doubt that the most consistent pass catcher for the Texas Longhorns over Steve Sarkisian’s tenure has been Jordan Whittington.

    At No. 213 overall in the sixth round, the Rams selected Whittington, and it could be the steal of the draft for them.

    Whittington, a 6-foot-1 wide receiver from Cuero, Texas is no stranger to adversity. During his five years at Texas, he played for two different head coaches, and while opportunities were sparse due to the immense talent surrounding him including seven offensive skill players being selected in the past two drafts, Whittington has consistently answered when called upon.

    Whittington doesn’t have off-the-charts athletic talent, causing him to slide in the draft but he possesses something better. A near Rhodes scholar-level football IQ. Whittington throughout his entire career has put together film of him finding pockets in coverages, cutting routes short, and creating separation based on pre-snap reads that has allowed him to be such a consistent player.

    Whittington also has sure hands and the awareness to reroute himself when the pocket collapses on his quarterback. He is a QB’s best friend and despite getting thrown the ball by Casey Thompson, Hudson Card, Quinn Ewers and Malik Murphy, his numbers though not mindblowing, have remained steady.

    This is the exact type of receiver that thrives in a Sean McVay offense and with Cooper Kupp getting older, there’s a high possibility that Whittington could see the field early and often. I’m not saying he’s going to put up Puka Nacua numbers but the man has the ability to mess around and have a 1000-yard season.

    I’m calling my shot. Jordan Whittington is the steal of the draft.

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    from Louis Riddick’s favorite prospects, sleepers: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/story/_/id/39935091/2024-nfl-draft-louis-riddick-favorite-prospects-class-sleeper-daniels-nabers-wiggins

    Kamren Kinchens, S, Miami

    Winning the turnover battle is the No. 1 priority for every defensive coordinator in the NFL, and Kinchens will help you do just that. No safety in this class has better instincts and anticipation as a deep-field player, whether that be as a single safety in the middle of the field or in a split-safety structure. He is consistently a step ahead of the quarterback with his understanding of route concepts and ability to read the passer’s eyes and shoulder leans. But Kinchens also shows the efficient transition mechanics and closing burst to get into position to make game-changing plays; he came down with 11 interceptions over 2022-23.

    And on top of the ball skills, the 5-foot-11, 203-pound safety can make the difficult open-field tackles in one-on-one situations (54 last season) and has shown disruptive blitz ability (26 pressures). His 4.65-second 40 time at the combine wasn’t ideal, but I’m not too concerned based on what I see on tape. Kinchens has the potential to be a star.

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    Mel Kiper tonight on ESPN Draft Recap just singled out Brennan Jackson as a great pick in the 5th Round. Said he’s a great pass-rusher and had him ranked 2 rounds lower, 3rd Round.

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    in reply to: draft assessments, grades, and analysis #150660
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    Michigan DB Josh Wallace Michigan defensive back Josh Wallace competed throughout his college football career. But he joined the Michigan Wolverines in his final season, putting an exclamation point on his NFL prospects. He is a high character guy who has solid numbers and always seems to get his hands in there to knock the pass away. He didn’t have the level of interceptions that some scouts wanted to see, but his ability to break up passes is a coach pleaser nevertheless. He stands 5-foot-11 and weighs 185 pounds. He will need to add about 10 pounds of muscle armor to raise his durablity in the NFL, but he has potential.

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    New one: DB Cam Lampkin, Washington State
    in reply to: our own takes on this draft #150654
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    you’re saying 6-7 hits. that’s a 60-70% hit rate. as a rams fan sure i’ll take that. it’s just astronomical the chances of that happening.

    Maybe up to 6 or 7 but yeah that would be very rare if it happened.

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    Not that they will stay in their base formation, but what is their base formation?

    ROLB……ILB/nickel-DB……ILB…….LOLB
    ……RDE or 3-TECH……NT…….LDE

    Going from left (or ROLB) to right, starting with the LBs:

    Young
    ?Rozeboom?/Lake
    Jones
    Verse

    Then it gets tricky?

    Turner (if 3 -TECH), Fiske (if 3-TECH or DE)
    Brown
    Johnson? Fiske? Hoecht? Goodlow (UDFA)? Olajiga (UDFA)?

    Last year the RDE was Jonah Williams but he signed with the Vikes.

    I have a feeling it will be

    Turner (3-Tech)
    Brown (NT)
    Fiske (LDE)

    That btw does not look great. It’s too young. The defense might be generally effective in 2024 but I see them ranking between 18th and 12th.

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    So I think this is a great pick by Atlanta.

    Agree. It’s a Jordan Love, Brett Favre situation. First year of a new regime with time to rebuild, so they have some breathing space to make an “invest in the deep future” type pick like that,

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    from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/4/29/24144751/rams-draft-beaux-limmer-value-espn

    ESPN’s Matt Miller has to grades hundreds of prospects in the draft every year, if not sometimes tipping the scales close to 1,000 names, so it’s notable that he was especially stunned that the Los Angeles Rams were able to draft offensive lineman Beaux Limmer in the sixth round. On Monday, Miller posted his best values and biggest reaches in a thread on Twitter and named Limmer alongside receiver Brenden Rice and quarterback Michael Pratt.

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    The D front will be very situation-multiple. The more Shula can mix up the fronts, personnel, stunt/blitz looks, the more issues it creates for opposing offensive game plans and protections.

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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    the Rams look at athletic test scores. Measurements. Medicals. Football IQ/EQ and leadership. All star events. All of it matters. *How* data is sorted and weighed, by position, is the key factor working in confluence with the most important thing – the tape, assessed
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Miami safety Kamren Kinchens is Dane Brugler’s No. 79 overall prospect. Per Brugler, Kinchens has great spatial/positional understanding especially playing from depth/two high – something the Rams prioritize over more average speed testing.
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    Seth Walder@SethWalder
    The Rams’ trade-up for Braden Fiske was the most expensive Day 2 overpay of at least the last six drafts, according to ESPN’s draft pick valuations. Rams traded 52, 155 and a 2025 2nd to Carolina for 39.
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    Just last year, Steeler and others alike said the Rams overpaid for Dotson 🙂
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    Brugler rated the Falcons draft as the worst, and he seems to share the consensus opinion that drafting Penix was a mind-bogglingly dumb pick.

    How did the Daily Bugler rank the Rams draft?

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