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  • in reply to: round 6, pick 209 … Rams take K Joshua Karty #150756
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    from Senior Bowl director, Jim Nagy  on Senior Bowl players in this this year’s Rams draft class:

    PK Joshua Karty (Round 6, Pick 208)- Big-legged kicker that many specialist gurus we consult with thought was one of best PK prospects in past 5-10 years. Thought he might go 4th/5th round. Has leg talent & mental wiring to be long-term answer.

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    from https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/02/24/blake-larson-nfl-draft-interview

     Larson is an exciting project with verified measurements of 6-foot-6 and 311 pounds with an 84-inch wingspan. NFL offensive line coaches are excited about the moldable traits Larson possesses.

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    from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/4/30/24144440/la-rams-undrafted-free-agent-prospects

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    T Blake Larson- Augustana 6’6” 311 lb.

    One of the top prospects in Division 2, dominating player with size and athleticism, reportedly has 84” wingspan. Played on both left and right sides. Huge hands (10 3/8”) and adequate length (33 3/8”) surprisingly coordinated with quick feet. Needs a lot of technique work and a pro strength/conditioning program.

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    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-undrafted-rookies-free-agents-2024-facts-stats/

    Was a Division II first-team All-American last season

    Larson was named a Division II first-team All-American by the AFCA last season

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    Oklahoma WR Drake Stoops The LA Rams may be loaded at the wide receiver position, but Oklahoma WR Drake Stoops hopes that therre is room for one more. If he is as productive in the pros as he was in college, that could be arranged. Standing 5-foot-10 and weighing 190 pounds, Stoops is not the guy who will beat you with his size. But he really doesn’t need to. He ran a 4.67-second 40-yard dash, placing him in the category of smaller, swift receivers like former Buffalo Bills WR Cole Beasley.

    from https://theathletic.com/5460599/2024/05/02/nfl-draft-2024-undrafted-free-agents/?source=weeklyemail&campaign=602288&userId=603890

    Los Angeles Rams: Drake Stoops, WR, Oklahoma

    The son of legendary coach Bob Stoops, Drake Stoops’ sluggish 4.71 40 time will fit in perfectly with the Rams. (Cooper Kupp famously ran a 4.62; Puka Nacua hit only 4.57.) Quicker than fast and totally fearless, the 5-9, 186-pound Stoops is an outstanding route runner who turned down FBS scholarship offers to walk on at his dad’s former school. He wound up making 164 catches for nearly 2,000 yards in six years. He’ll do anything he’s asked, at max effort.

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    Obscure factoid.

    Rams new 33 year old offensive assistant/passing game specialist is Nathan Scheelhaase. Scheelhaase coached at Iowa State from 2018 through 2023, where he was in different years the RB coach and WR coach, becoming the offensive coordinator in 2023. 

    So Scheelhaase was an Iowa State offensive coach in the years when Brock Purdy was there (2018-2021).

    Okay more on Scheelhaase:

    from https://cyclones.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/nate-scheelhaase/1996

    In his first season as offensive coordinator, Iowa State improved offensively from 20.2 points in 2022 to 26.2 in 2023. The Cyclones greatly increased their big-play ability, scoring a nation’s-best 11 offensive touchdowns of 50-plus yards.

    Redshirt freshman Rocco Becht was named Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year and Second-Team Freshman All-American after passing for more than 3,000 yards and 23 touchdowns while breaking nearly every ISU freshman passing record. Becht’s 23 touchdown passes were the most for an ISU QB since Brock Purdy tossed 27 in 2019.

    Iowa State was 31-for-33 (93.9) in the red zone, leading the Big 12 Conference and ranking seventh nationally.

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    ‘Finding Rams,’ Part II: One year behind the scenes of the NFL Draft scouting process

    Jourdan Rodrigue

    https://theathletic.com/5468042/2024/05/03/rams-nfl-draft-scouting-behind-the-scenes/?source=emp_shared_article
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    LOS ANGELES — Andy Sugarman always books his first one-way flight on March 5, the day NFL teams are allowed to visit draft-eligible prospects. He will not see his Northern California home again until late April, after the draft.

    Each spring, Sugarman, the special assistant to Los Angeles Rams general manager Les Snead, annually visits two dozen or more players — he saw 33 this year — zig-zagging across the country on a series of one-way flights as Rams’ scouts and coaches hone in on specific prospects.

    Sometimes Sugarman is still on the road mere days before the draft begins. Once during draft week, he made it to Snead’s L.A. office for an hour before being told he had to get back to the airport to see a new prospect.

    “They get into debates on guys and I get sent,” Sugarman said.

    Sugarman coached in the NFL for nearly two decades, mostly tight ends, but he looks like he teaches high school algebra. Gray-haired, quiet and small-framed with oval glasses, he’s an inconspicuous presence on college campuses and in football buildings, which is how he likes it.

    The Rams do not typically conduct official “30 visits,” where teams are allowed to host up to 30 prospects at their facilities each spring, except for extreme cases when they feel they need more medical information. Those sessions must be reported to the league and, therefore, frequently leak in the media.

    Sugarman’s visits do not as long as they are in person and within a 50-mile radius of the player’s school or hometown. Snead doesn’t want other teams to know who the Rams are paying closer attention to, and he and Sugarman believe in approaching prospects in their own world, where they may be more comfortable and more themselves.

    Sugarman’s sessions can take the entire day. He asks prospects to teach him their college schemes — how they teach is often a reflection on how they best learn. Sugarman also wants to know how they think about the game: Do they know just their assignments or others’ as well? Can they break down why opponents attack them in certain ways? If they went to an all-star game like the Senior Bowl, can they recall certain plays from the offense or defense they learned there?

    Often, they go to lunch so Sugarman can see how the player acts when he thinks his “classroom” session is over — how he interacts with waiters, cashiers or fans, whether he stays engaged in conversation and is comfortable and curious enough to ask Sugarman questions. “You really get a chance to know a person,” Sugarman said. The former coach later files his notes into a special section of JAARS.

    Snead and other senior staff believe that someone with a coaching or playing background has to do this job. A scout evaluates skills, while a coach watches how the player fits within a certain structure.

    “It’s just a different way to look at it,” Sugarman said. “I don’t have a scouting background. I have a coaching background. You look at things a little differently, you look at what the schemes are and whether they are making mistakes or not.”

    His intel on how players learn and communicate is weighed alongside several others, including the results of the customized HEXACO leadership test and wide-ranging background checks from team officials and scouts’ own sourcing in a process head coach Sean McVay calls “finding Rams,” players who fit his culture.

    Sugarman’s frenetic travel itinerary illustrates the shifting debate or level of interest in a prospect based on discussions between assistant coaches and the scouting staff. Coaches receive buckets of film from Snead and the scouting department in three waves over March/April and by then have access to the in-depth reports in JAARS. The coaching and scouting sides then meet deep into April. If they are stuck on a player, or if there is an argument, a question or exaggerated interest, Sugarman books a flight.

    The work done during this time can lead to roster-altering decisions, even for late additions to the itinerary.

    Last spring, Sugarman was traveling through the Southwest when he got a call from scouting director James Gladstone. Could he add this receiver from BYU to his schedule in between schools? Western area scout Vito Gonella kept raving about Puka Nacua in meetings, and when coaches got to his tape, a few gave him “hot” badges despite his grouping in a lower-ranked cluster of prospects.

    At BYU, Sugarman spent several hours breaking down film with Nacua and came away floored by his energy, schematic knowledge, recall and quick grasp of new concepts. “He was talking like he was a coach,” Sugarman said. “He was teaching (the offense). He knew every player’s job, including the linemen.”

    “This guy will transcend quickly,” Sugarman wrote in JAARS. The Rams drafted Nacua with their last pick in the fifth round, and he broke the rookie receiving record in 2023.

    The Rams don’t formally attend February’s NFL Scouting Combine as a coaching or scouting staff, so outside of the odd handshake or getting a HEXACO result they didn’t previously have, they do not generally meet with prospects there. Certain Los Angeles executives hole up in quiet parts of the hotel complex around downtown Indianapolis, the annual site of the combine, but they are on what Snead calls “specific missions” that have more to do with overall offseason roster-building, networking and analytics. The Rams’ scouting department and coaching staff continue to work remotely or at their Thousand Oaks, Calif., practice facility with combine drills broadcasting on office T.V.s and athletic testing numbers uploading in real time to JAARS.

     

    The Rams’ medical and athletic training staff do attend the combine because the formal medical assessments conducted there are a crucial part of the total evaluation. Players go through the process position by position across the span of several hours when they arrive in Indianapolis. The medical testing site is split into six separate rooms, with team physicians and athletic training staff from all 32 teams spread out among the rooms. Each player takes six physicals, one per room, with his information then entered into a shared database among the teams.

    From there, teams can follow up with their own cross-checks. Rams’ VP of sports medicine and performance Reggie Scott combs through the medical information and inputs his own interpretations into JAARS along with a “risk grade” for each player. His grades and notes mark a major checkpoint in the Rams’ draft process.

    “None of us want to get blindsided,” Scott said. “There’s no competitive advantage here in that way because it’s player health. … It’s how we ‘risk’ them that is different. That’s where you (add) your proprietary information.”

    In JAARS, senior scouting and coaching personnel can also find analyses on leaguewide position injury trends and patterns from the Rams’ schematic assignments, position and practice output demands. The latter studies, compiled by data and analytics director Jake Temme and scouting strategist Nicole Blake, use player tracking and weight training data acquired during practices throughout the season. They help determine what type of workload a player with a higher “risk grade” could reasonably manage if drafted by the Rams and whether that could be sustainable.

    Temme and Blake also include studies on draft trends and a sliding “risk scale” in their analyses. If a player has a lengthy injury history, but also has an excellent physical skill set and/or emotional quotient, at what round might he be considered, and how would his risks be managed?

    In January, after the college football season ends, Rams area and OTT scouts begin a set of virtual meetings with Gladstone. The area scouts are the lead voices in these meetings. Snead sits in, but his screen is off and he doesn’t chime in.

    Temme and Blake are also on the call. From her office at the Rams’ practice facility, Blake pulls up the group meeting, controlled by Gladstone and his shared screen, on a large T.V. over her desk. Across her desk are three additional computers, one open to a view of Snead’s screen and another connected to a time-logging device.

    On his screen, which the scouts cannot see, Snead manipulates what he calls “the call sheet” as they discuss prospects. The sheet looks like a series of rectangles that split players by position into different buckets. There are no round-by-round grades, only four overall tiers into which players are then “bucketed.”

    By mid-April, all draft-eligible players are split into nine buckets based on the Rams’ finished evaluations, which include the medical and character checks completed in March and, for some, notes from Sugarman’s visits. The buckets aren’t always “rankings” — some are lateral to others. Additional categories are added in April as college free agency position committees begin (CFA, also called undrafted free agent or UDFA).

    The area scouts don’t see Snead move players around the call sheet — or hear from him — in meetings because he doesn’t want to influence their arguments about players. Blake, who can see Snead’s maneuvering, uses the time-logging device to annotate his moves and takes notes about what inspired them. She also flags any spikes in conversation between the scouts.

    For example, an area scout’s voice raised with excitement during a conversation about a prospect’s pro day. Gladstone asked the area scout to compare the player to another at the same position. As he did, Snead grouped the two together on his call sheet (unbeknownst to the area scouts). Blake filed the time and noted the nature of the spike. Over time, dozens of those charts are matched with prospects to create a tangible representation of the cliche, “scouts really stood on the table for (player).”

    It is her job, Blake explained, to study how the Rams scouting department makes decisions. Each draft pick happens after a years-long timeline of micro-decisions, arguments, evaluations, sourcing and meetings. How did the group eventually reach its conclusion over that time? Blake can pinpoint the exact moment the tide turned for or against a prospect, what the discussion was like, who altered their own opinions after hearing others’ arguments, which staff members seemed to influence others and more.

    Throughout pre-draft meetings in 2017, Snead kept noticing introverted area scout Brian Hill raising his voice when he talked about Eastern Washington receiver Cooper Kupp. Those moments — especially coming from a personality like Hill — built a stronger argument for Kupp in Snead’s mind that complemented harder data points, such as his GPS data from the Senior Bowl.

    In 2022, when Blake was hired full-time out of Stanford’s MBA program, she and Temme began installing a process to turn the anecdotal moments in a decision-making process, such as Hill’s voice changing, into quantifiable evidence for or against the selection of a player during the crucial minutes of a pick.

    Gathering this information also helps Blake engage in unique debates with Snead away from the rest of the group. On a particular day in January, Snead moved a player up one bucket on his call sheet and moved another down when the area scout expressed his excitement about the first player and as Gladstone drew out a comparison between the two.

    During a break, Snead poked his head into Blake’s office. Didn’t Snead think he should simply expand the bucket instead of moving the second player out of it, she asked. The coaching staff, who would soon begin its first wave of draft evaluations, would get an initial exposure to only that first bucket of players, with the next bucket to follow a few weeks after. Getting on coaches’ desks in the first bucket is often a good thing for the player, but if the scouting staff was able to compare the first player to the second — unaware of the movement by Snead on the call sheet — shouldn’t the coaches do the same?

    Snead’s call sheet remains in a state of constant movement between January and the week before the draft as meetings with scouts and then coaches continue. Draftniks and analysts — even other NFL teams — refer to lists of ranked prospects as “big boards” and keep them organized as such. But Snead’s call sheet looks more like the massive play card McVay uses in games. Both operate with similar strategies.

    Where McVay groups preferred plays together depending on different scenarios and scribbles notes to himself in the margins, Snead groups positions and players on a massive screen in JAARS, moving between the nine buckets and using the program’s simplified language — colors, badges, one-liners such as “superpower” and “kryptonite” — to get quick refreshers on that prospect. McVay has less than 40 seconds to decide which play he’ll run and communicate it, and the rest is out of his hands. Depending on the draft round, Snead has between four and 10 minutes to make a player selection, and the rest is out of his hands.

    Teams with a large number of picks, especially condensed into one section of the draft, characterize these picks as “throwing darts.” Prospects are imperfect in later rounds, but throw enough darts and the law of averages says a couple of them will work out. But Snead uses strategy here — these are informed bets, not blind throws.

    Coaches will call certain plays based on studies of opponents’ tendencies. So will Snead. Temme and the pro scouts run programs that track trends and patterns in rival teams’ draft selections: When one team drafts receivers, do they only look for players who run a sub-4.4 second 40-yard dash? When another team drafts offensive linemen, will they remove a player with short arms from their board? How are character or injury flags weighed by certain teams?

    Compiling and analyzing this data can help the Rams navigate the hectic later rounds. In 2023, the Rams had four fifth-round picks after some maneuvering via trades. Nacua, in his respective bucket, was grouped near the top of Snead’s call sheet entering the round. The Rams also needed a linebacker who could play special teams and a tight end, among other positions.

    Snead and the staff in the draft room, including McVay, had to decide which pick to use on Nacua and identified other teams in that round who could be looking for receivers. Analysts pulled up those teams’ histories of preferred traits and previous selections at receiver.

    Nacua had some injury issues in college and ran a slow 40-yard dash — both of which affected his draft stock. With that information in mind, Snead believed the Rams could wait out other teams who could be interested in a receiver. McVay rattled with anxiety beside Snead as he called in picks for outside linebacker Nick Hampton, offensive lineman Warren McClendon and tight end Davis Allen before finally selecting Nacua at No. 177.

    It wasn’t assured that Snead’s bet against other teams would pay off, but the staff informed it with data and pure luck did the rest.

    A year after Nacua’s historic rookie season, Snead likes to say that had the Rams truly known what he would do in the NFL, they wouldn’t have waited nearly five entire rounds to select him. “Hell of a plan,” said Snead of his maneuvering last year. “But next time, we’re gonna pick him earlier.”

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    official announcement:

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    B Scott had 4.4 speed coming out of college. If he still has that, he’s faster than all the other backs, although Z Evans supposedly ran 4.45 so they are close. He could be a perfect returner and I am sure they have plans for that.

    I believe Corum gets pass pro and blitz pick up, he just hasn’t done it much or at all at the pro level. I would expect to see K Will/B Scott in there on gotta have it/known passing downs this season. Once MCV really trusts Corum, he’ll get more of those reps.

     

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    corum…and williams in the backfield. jackson, avila, and dotson blowing holes open in the middle.   i think this will be the most fun watching this offense since 2018.

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    That article is getting a lot of buzz. Many “big name” analysts and national sports writers love Jourdan’s work. It gets praised by those types in twitter all the time. And I mean high, high praise. I fear that that means she will sooner or later be moving on to bigger things, which will just be flat offered to her in tempting ways. And then–no longer a Rams reporter. You know, losing both Donald and Jourdan in the same lifetime is a lot to go through. 😲

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    The #Rams drafted RB Blake Corum in the third round of the 2024 NFL Draft

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    from https://www.lafbnetwork.com/nfl-exec-identifies-los-angeles-rams-type/ The Athletic’s Mike Sando sat down with a handful of anonymous NFL executives to take their temperature on the drafts of NFL teams. When it came to the Los Angeles Rams, one of the execs identified what he believes to be the type of player they target in the draft.

    “They get guys that are usually gritty, some of them are older, four-year type players, team captain types, high character, rugged,” an exec said. “You might give up some of the size and the athletic traits, so that the potential for development could be less. Verse doesn’t have the best agility; he’s a tighter-wound dude, but a good football player. (Kamren) Kinchens is a good football player who does not have excellent traits.”

    To be honest that sounds like much of it is just 2024. They’re looking to quickly re-establish the defense so they presumably sacrifice some physical traits while looking for older players who can start now.

    That doesn’t describe every draft from 2017-2023.

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    from https://www.lafbnetwork.com/nfl-exec-identifies-los-angeles-rams-type/

    The Athletic’s Mike Sando sat down with a handful of anonymous NFL executives to take their temperature on the drafts of NFL teams. When it came to the Los Angeles Rams, one of the execs identified what he believes to be the type of player they target in the draft.

    “They get guys that are usually gritty, some of them are older, four-year type players, team captain types, high character, rugged,” an exec said. “You might give up some of the size and the athletic traits, so that the potential for development could be less. Verse doesn’t have the best agility; he’s a tighter-wound dude, but a good football player. (Kamren) Kinchens is a good football player who does not have excellent traits.”

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    Peter King@peter_king
    Some great journalism here. There are some stories you can do only when you’re totally on the inside, and this is one of them. Congrats on a terrific story, Jourdan.
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    Mike Golic Jr@mikegolicjr
    Jourdan’s done some of the best, most thorough and creative writing around the NFL for a long time now
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    Geoff Schwartz@geoffschwartz
    This is great. Everyone should read it
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    Brett Kollmann@BrettKollmann
    This is so, SO good
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    in reply to: round 5, pick 154 — edge Brennan Jackson #150722
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    in reply to: our own takes on this draft #150716
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    The more I read and hear about this draft and look into it, the more I am convinced–at this admittedly very early point–that this was one of the Rams best drafts ever, and certain the best overall in the McVay era.

    IR and I debated that (and I respect his disagreement, what I am saying is in fact that something unusual and rare happened with this draft, and that’s kind of going out on a limb.) I tried to make it clear that I am saying that because of the number of very viable hits they could have in this draft, that is future starters who will be considered at least good (and not guys like Reeder who start because there’s no one else). Also very significant overall contributors, like Whittington, who is not just a 4th WR type, but also a potential star on several special team units.

    They may not have anyone who will reach the status of Nacua. But they could very well have up to 6 or 7 genuine hits. I don’t think any one of them will reach Nacua-level superstar status, but that will be very good players–real hits–such as what the Ram have in Jones or Avila.

    A lot of this depends on how far Verse develops. I see him not as a magic, bendy pass rusher like you got with Robert Quinn, Von Miller, or that type. He’s more of a smasher and brawler in the mold of Kevin Greene or JT Watt. In fact if you compare their profiles, Verse has a lot of what makes Watt effective, and if anything Verse may be a bit more physically gifted than Watt (faster and maybe stronger). Watt sets the recent standard to measure Verse by. He had 10 sacks as a rookie and has averaged 13-14 sacks a year.

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    Anway that aside, a public service message. Be sure and use the guide to draft threads I provided (here: guide to 2024 draft threads). There are so far 13 different threads dedicated to this draft and it’s a kind of minor little chore to find the one you want just by scrolling through the page. It’s far easier to use the links I put in the “guide.” I keep finding different material on different draft picks I want to post here and when I do I don’t even bother to scroll down looking for the right thread, instead I go straight to the links in the guide.

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    Jess Piper@piper4missouri
    I know we hear a lot about how difficult it is to give birth in America when we don’t have paid maternity leave, but I’m goning to paint that picture.

    I went back to work when my first son was 14 days old. I worked at Walmart. I soaked through my first shirt within hours

    and soaked through my Walmart vest a few minutes later. I kept cashiering with my hair strategically placed over my breasts. I was still using a peri bottle at every bathroom visit. I bled so much that first day, that I had to wear Depends underwear lined with two pads.

    I worked 7 hours that day and 36 hours the first week back. I was married and my husband worked full-time, but we could not make it without the minimum wage I was paid at Walmart.

    I was 20 years old. I hope that picture sticks.

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    in reply to: round 6, pick 217… Rams take C Beaux Limmer #150713
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    in reply to: Rams 1st pick (19) is Jared Verse #150712
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    from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/5/1/24145892/rams-draft-results-jared-verse-braden-fiske-schematic-fit

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    The Athletic’s Ted Nguyen put together a list of best schematic fits of the 2024 class. Included in that list were Verse and Fiske with the Rams who are an odd front, pattern match team on defense.

    Needing an edge rusher, Verse made too much sense after falling to 19. The Florida State edge rusher has quick get off and tested really well in explosive drills. He wins with both speed and power and should be able to provide a boost to the Rams pass rush. Said Nguyen,

    “Losing one of the greatest interior pass rushers ever is tough. No one can replace Aaron Donald. But the Rams have to do something to mitigate the gaping hole left by his absence. Asking one rookie to try to fill his shoes is an impossible task, so the Rams are asking two Seminoles to try…The Rams use odd fronts with two stand-up edge rushers and Verse has experience rushing standing up or with his hand in the ground. Verse fits what they typically look for in an edge linebacker more than incumbent starter Michael Hoecht, who is a converted nose tackle. Verse has some experience dropping back, which he’ll be asked to do.”’

    The Rams didn’t just add one Florida State defender, but took a second by trading up to 39 and selecting Braden Fiske. Fiske was a player pre-draft that I determined a fit due to his quick get off, elite explosiveness, and displayed good later movement. However, he is a scheme fit as well as a single gap penetrator. Nguyen said of Fiske,

    “Fiske has one of the quickest get-offs in the draft. He was one of the best testers at the combine and that athleticism pops off the film. Fiske is an explosive, violent and unrelenting defender but he’s undersized at 292 pounds and has short arms. In the Rams’ odd fronts, he can kick out and line up at four-technique (head up on tackles) so he doesn’t have to hold his ground in the A and B gaps too often. It’ll remain to be seen how Fiske will hold up against the run, but the Rams hope the pair will be able to contribute to their pass rush immediately.”

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    When Rams went to 4-2-5

    Donald still a 3-tech and Turner was at 2i or 1-tech
    sometimes the 2i is called “G” don;t know why maybe because
    no one likes saying 2i over and over. 1-tech is often called “shade”
    because they will shade to the left or right of the center, not a true “0-tech”

    I envision Fiske at the “G” and Turner at the 3-tech this year.

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    in reply to: round 6, pick 196 … Rams take DT Tyler Davis #150701
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    in reply to: round 2: Rams trade up for DT Braden Fiske #150700
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    alyoshamucci

    This is my favorite Rams draft ever. I’m used to having to take a day because of a pick or 3 that I disagree with … some reach of some sort that I have to trust them on … This year? Liked or loved every pick.

    I will say I wanted a WR … but I don’t know how healthy Kupp is (They do) … and if we have edge taken care of we can spend money on that if we need to after next year.

    1) Jared Verse, Edge, FSU Transfer from Albany, could have come out last year and actually been drafted higher. Gotta have a chip on his shoulder for that. Powerful, the kind of powerful that has recorded sacks by plowing the OT into the QB. Strength is ready for the pro game. Used to run track. How well can he change direction? We’ll find out.

    2) Braden Fiske, DT, FSU Transfer from WMU (Marshawn Kneeland was his running mate there) … got better as the season progressed and completely killed the postseason. His Senior Bowl is a story that will likely be told for years, due to injuries he switched teams the morning of the game and still won DPOG. His 1:1 drills were unfair. His combine short shuttle was like an average DB (4.32). Ran a 4.78 but a 1.58 split. At 292 lbs. There’s a chance that the most AD like was not Jerzawhn Newton, but him.

    Combo) FSU Teammates that played right next to one another, wearing 5 and 55. Gained cohesion and capacity to read each other on the field to adjust rushes, which led to heavier production at the end of the year … which is why the rolled through undefeated even though J Travis went down with an injury. They were good friends, and FSU as a team went through the most depressing end to a college season likely ever. Undefeated, and robbed of an opportunity to play for a national championship because of an injury. That’s mental toughness through adversity and bonding that simply makes them a synergistic value.

    Final note … having watched them and not only how they win, but how they lose … as an offensive player you’re often not planning how to win, but how to lose without the play being destroyed. Because you’re going to lose a lot.

    3) Blake Corum, RB, Michigan … I am not a Michigan guy. I am not usually into guys who run like him. He reminds me of a smaller Nick Chubb … who oddly is not my cup of tea, but has carved out a huge role for himself in the NFL. Why am I a fan of this? I had him around this area for value, but his mentality and leadership were the grounding force for the entire Michigan team that won the championship. Discipline, team first, hard nosed (seen the poster?), finisher. Comes into a stable room with a stable O line built to blow people off the line with the expectation of keeping him fresh not just for games but for years in case Kyren walks.

    4) Kam Kinchens, S, Miami This is all about playing centerfield … and making QBs pay for being late. One note on Corum and Kinchens, both were likely first rounders going into 2023, and fell as others rose. Kinchens was a 2022 All American, Miami had a rough year and he fell to 99. Instincts are on point and he arrives to take the ball away.

    5) Brennan Jackson, Edge, WSU One of my draft crushes/sleepers. I honestly had a mock in my head where we would take a WR, DT, the him in the third and I felt solid about him being the only Edge we took. Just to make a note here … Verse is 257 and ran a 4.58. Jackson is 266 and ran a 4.69. 10 lbs. and .1 off the 40. I feel fine with him going any direction because he’s a smooth athlete. I think someone quoted me as saying “This is a great player that could somehow slide to the 5th in this class” and he did.

    6) Tyler Davis, DT, Clemson I was not suspecting another DT, but … I didn’t have him graded but maybe steps below many of the kids that went in rounds 2 and 3. Value is nuts, but so is his determination. He had an amazing start to his career, then battled injuries and went for 5 years. He was a mainstay on a powerful defense and I doubt he has much of an adjustment to make based on the talent that Clemson faces (Best in ACC plus ND, UGA, and SC).

    6) Josh Karty, K, Stanford Kicker. Kicks stuff. Confident kid.

    6) Jordan Whittington, WR, Texas So … the story for this kid is wild. He was a leading WR that got jumped by Worthy and Mitchell and Sanders without really losing any shine on his talent. What’s his talent? Middle of the field and pile driving through tacklers. He catches the ball and then becomes a TE. Seeing his burst and agility numbers made that make sense … changes angles and drives with power through the weak points of tackles. 2nd in after the catch power to only Corley, he honestly gives us the 3 hardest WR combos to tackle in the NFL. Like with Puka and Kupp, after he has the ball, he has the advantage no matter who you are. He was on my list for the 6th most of the year.

    6) Beaux Limmer, IOL, Arkansas This kid was on my list in the middle of the year for OC possibilities, and I felt like he got lost a bit in the process, but then got remembered for a flash when he broke the combine (physical traits) … this is the exact person you want backing up a hundred million dollars of beef. He’s not going to be outmatched physically, and he has an obvious work ethic from his gym work. Arkansas is power running, but they did more pass pro with Jefferson this year. Hole filled with an interior swing with an athletic fit. Can we pay him at the end of his contract? I like the set up for that.

    7) KT Leveston, OL, K State … First, I like K State players. I feel like he battles McClendon, but doesn’t make the roster and sticks on the PS for a redshirt of getting into better shape. Maybe he jumps up a few games from the PS. He’s got length at 34.5 inches to his arms, but he’s only 6-4 so he’s gotta get quicker to survive on the edge … but I figure he’s a solid pickup regardless.

    I pay more attention here since the NFL changed the rules for the PS, because it’s a legit job and you can realistically participate in games and get paid.

    UDFA1) Omar Speights, LB, LSU I followed him from Oregon State, where I had a solid eye on him for his ability to play sideline to sideline. He’s a classic chase and cover LB that can thump if given the opportunity. 30 reps is no joke. 4.62 is the going rate. He may not make the team off the bat, no need, he’ll be there by the end of the year I’d wager.

    UDFA2) Tuli Letuligasanoa, DT, UW …. Another kid from a championship team … I’ve followed him since freshman year … he lost weight every year, which is rare. I’ve never seen anyone really successfully move him. He doesn’t rack up stats, but he can hold the point. I figure he’s a PS and call up possibility when we hit injuries. It’s a solid NT pickup.

    UDFA3) Drake Stoops, WR, OK … They love him in OK. Reminds me of Renfrow because if it’s third down or goal to go, the defense had to find him and try to cover him. They failed … a lot. They always talked about him walking on as the coach’s son, then they had to start talking about the fact that he was the toughest kid on the roster. I expect him to be working in at PR for us. He could legitimately be a slot after a year. Don’t count him out.

    UDFA4) Josh Wallace, CB, Mich… Championship kid who transferred in from Umass and had the unfortunate job of playing opposite the best CB in the nation. Had a weak long time but better burst/agility/split #s. He is well trained and should be a solid kid to kick the tires on.

    UDFA5) Cam Lampkin, CB, WSU Note .. WSU almost beat UW. Held them to 3 scores until a final FG. Jackson and Lampkin are a part of that, and though Smith-Wade got more press, I liked Lampkin basically just as much. That secondary was for real … honestly the whole D was.

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    1.19 Jared Verse – EDGE – FSU – 6′-4″ 254 lbs. – Twitched up, speed to power merchant that can really apply pressure to OL early in the rep. Solid setting an edge as well.

    He was my 15th overall rated prospect, and my 7th overall Rams specific board prospect (and the top one available at 19) He was also my 3rd rated EDGE.
    He was in my other names to watch in my 2nd mock with the 19th pick, but I didn’t expect him to be there.

    From a post I made 11 months ago on prospects to watch for next year, since the Rams had a 1st round pick:
    Jared Verse, FSU – Shocked he didn’t come out, he had to have had a 1st round grade. Played for Albany, then transferred to FSU, so maybe he wanted 2 years of production at a high end school 6′-4″ 250 lbs of relentlessness. In the run and pass game. Flexible enough to flatten around the corner to the QB, but strong enough to hold his own at the PoA.

    He is strong, athletic with a nonstop motor and high character marks. His RAS score was 9.60, putting him in the “Elite” category. His speed and explosion grades “Elite”
    He can set an edge in the run game and is a speed to power QB hunter. His explosion off the snap combined with violent hands put OL on the defensive immediately. He needs to add some pass rush moves, but he is further along in development than Byron Young was last year. And stronger. My only question is can he drop into coverage?

    I love the value of this pick meeting need and I think fit. We can thank all the QBs going, pushing down the defensive guys. In a normal year 6 QBs and 3 WRs in the top 10 will not happen and Verse is gone my 12 at the latest IMO.

    I truly think if Verse is gone, the Rams trade out or at the least down. Did they like Robinson? Maybe. Would have they traded down and went Fiske early in the 2nd and then went edge rusher later? That’s the most likely scenario, followed by trading back to the end of the 1st and grabbing a WR, then moving back up for Fiske. I like how it worked out TBH.

    2.39 Braden Fiske – IDL – FSU – 6′-5″ 292 lbs. – Good athlete that is a super smooth mover, big time motor and quick.

    He was my 35th overall ranked prospect, my 25th ranked Rams specific prospect and my 4th overall ranked IDL (top 3 were off the board ) He was also in my other names to watch in my mock 2.0 second round.

    From 2 months ago on my 1st round prospects after the combine:
    Fiske is having himself an offseason, I oriiginally had him as 3rd rounder, because his play speed seemed sluggish, but he dominated the Senior Bowl and the combine and I will have him locked in as 2nd rounder, he could, in theory push himself into the back of 1st.

    Really active hands
    Explosive out of his stance
    Agile enough to be effective in stunts
    Red hot motor
    Won’t eat double teams, but is quick enough to split them
    Bigger, longer OL can neutralize him

    This was a pick I was hoping they would make after Friday night. I knew they would have to move up for him, but like I said in trade section above, with the way WRs and DTs were going, they were going to have to move up for a target, or take the best fitting CB. Adding Fiske with his relentless motor to guys like Turner, Young and Verse, and you have 4 high motor, relentless QB hunters. Its going to be a fun front 7 to watch. I think

    3.83 Blake Corum – RB – Mich. – 5′-8″ 205 lbs. – He will wear you down and grind out yards despite his size. Excellent contact balance and good vision. Lacks a HR gear, seemed to have a down season.

    He was my 106th overall prospect on my 220 big board, my 86th prospect on my Rams specific board and my 6th rated RB.

    I had heard someone comment on NFL radio (cannot remember who) that he may have played the season dinged, accounting for his down year from the previous year.

    45 TDs in last 2 seasons, he has a nose for the endzone
    Great contact balance
    good vision
    Good patience for the most part
    Long speed is missing
    Not the shiftiest or most elusive RB
    Solid hands as a pass catcher, not a dynamic route runner
    Pass blocking is a work in progress

    He’s more of the same with Williams, I guess if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. Fans will love him the same way I said fans will love Williams when htey drafted him. He is just an angry, tough runner with a lot of dog in him. I was hoping for a HR style back for a change of pace, but he will work really well in the Rams offense. Overall, in a weak RB class, I’m happy with this pick, considering who was available.

    3.99 Kamren Kinchens – SAF – Miami – 5′-11″ 203 lbs. – Turnover machine, brings it when in the box. Not the rangiest SAF in the class.

    He was my 85th rated prospect on my 220 big board, my 64th rated prospect on my Rams specific board and my 6th rated safety.

    Excellent instincts
    Ballhawk
    tough and willing to do work in the box
    Likes to punish ball carriers
    lacks the range to play single high
    Can work in man or zone, but I liked him better in zone

    He was in contention for the top SAF taken in the draft with Nubin, but a sub-optimal combine really dropped him down a few pegs on the safety rung. And really, the Rams aren’t that concerned with 40 times, its play speed, and he is more than athletic and fast enough to play in a split zone system, he can also play big nickel. He plays a smart brand of football and his ability to create turnovers is 2nd to none in the safety class. I was working on a 3rd mock before I ran out of time, but he was going to be my pick at the end of the 3rd round. Love this value.

    5.154 Brennan Jackson – EDGE – Washington State – 6′-4″ 264 lbs.

    I had no ranking on him in my top 220 prospects, he was on my list but missed the cut by 10 or so names, so I had a late 6th, early 7th round rating on him.

    Great power and size for the position
    Really powerful – combines that with a devastating bull rush
    Excellent edge setter against the run
    Another red hot motor
    Lacks fluid change of direction, a bit stiff in his lower half.
    Needs to develop more pass rsh moves and a pass rush plan

    I missed on him. Alyo nailed this kid, which is not surprising, since he is the best at this. I struggle with the guys in that upper 260 lb range to 275ish. That said, this is an interesting pick. They announced him as a LBer, so they are planning on him playing standing up on the edge, maybe he can reduce down to a 5t on passing downs. I can see a front 3 of Jackson, Fiske and Turner with Verse and Young on obvious passing downs. Thats a relentless front 5.

    6.196 112. Tyler Davis – IDL – Clemson – 6′-2″ 301 lbs. – Explosive NT with powerful hands and a good understanding of leverage. Pass rush needs refinement.

    My 112th ranked prospect on my 220 big board, my 91st ranked prospect on my Rams specific board and my 11th rated IDL.

    Nose tackle
    Team captain
    Non-stop motor
    Grown man strong
    Powerful and active hands
    intelligent, understands leverage and angles
    Explosive first step
    Can eat up double teams
    On the small side for a NT
    Pass rush is lacking

    He is a fun pick. Smart, leader on and off the field, productive and relentless. He will fit right in with the new Rams DL. I imagine he will rotate Brown at NT. This pick had tremendous value to match need and fit. Big fan of this pick.

    6.209 Joshua Karty – K – Stanford – 6′-2″ 207 lbs. – Big time range with improved accuracy year after year.

    My 175th overall prospect on my big board, my 173rd ranked player on my Rams specific board and my top rated K.

    Big leg (career long of 61)
    Accuracy has improved year over year

    My favorite kicker since the season started. Love the value, love the fit. This was one of the most important picks in the Rams draft IMO. I think htey nailed down their punter and kicker for a while, and that feels good.

    6.213 Jordan Whittington – WR – Texas – 6′-1″ 205 lbs. – Physical before and after the catch. Good run blocker and could be a monster on STs with the new rules. Lacks route running and HR gear.

    He was my 205th rated player on my big board, my 160th player on my Rams spercific board and my 34th rated WR.

    Team first guy willing to block, go over the middle, take jet sweeps
    tough to tackle with the ball in his hands
    Route running is a work in progress
    good hands
    PR/KR value
    Lacks homerun speed
    Works as an X or slot WR

    I love this kid. I actually mocked him to us in my first mock draft at the end of the 5th round. He just has that Rams WR vibe. Tough, smart team oriented that is willing to block. Fun fact: he worked with Ricky Proehl to get ready for the draft. His teammates apparently love him. He is a hard worker. He is a beast after the catch and he adds ST value, which I hope lands him a spot on the roster. He won’t take the top off a defense, but he will do everything he can to help his team win on Sundays and thats good enough for me with a round 6 pick. I hope he makes the roster.

    6.217 Beaux Limmer – OC – Arkansas – 6′-5″ 302 lbs. – Most of his experience is at RG, last year OC. He is an excellent run blocker that needs to improve his pass sets.

    He was my 143rd rated prospect on my big board, and my 5th ranked OC. He did not make my Rams specific board (no OCs did)

    Athletic OC with great length (9.80 RAS score)
    A little light and could use some good weight
    Has OC/OG flexibility
    For all that athleticism, he isn’t the smoothest mover in space
    Smart, can call line calls

    After years of mocking OCs to the Rams, I finally quit doing it and they draft one. If I knew that was all it took, i would have quit drafting OCs years ago. This is a depth pc that most likely ends up on the PS. He needs to get stronger/bigger and work on his pass sets. His run blocking is good. Good news is he seems like a hard worker and smart, so he has a chance to carve out a nice IOL depth piece. I thought he would work better in a zone scheme, but he has heavy feet so maybe a gap/power scheme is his ticket. I had him pegged at 143, so late 4th, early 5th, so great value at the end of round 6.

    7.254 KT Leveston – OG – Kansas St. – 6′-4″ 326 lbs. – OT that will probably end up as an OG. Mauler style that needs technical improvement. gap/power scheme.

    He was my 169th rated prospect on my big board, my 143rd rated player on my Rams specific board, and my 17th ranked IOL.

    Most of his snaps came at LT, but did have snaps at LG
    He is a finisher, nasty personality
    Can get a bit upright and has a tendency to lunge
    A good mover, but not the smoothest
    Has the length to stay at OT, but not the movement skills to survive on an island

    He was one of the few OL I put on my Rams vertically stacked board because he fits what the Rams like. Positional versatility, nasty demeanor, lots of experience. He most likely lands on the PS. But I do like this pick.

    ***

    Overall, this may be my favorite draft since I’ve been following it. Time will tell how it actually shakes out.

    As the the picks themselves, they are all team first, hard working, relentless on the field types. They all have plenty of experience as well, The Fiske/Verse paring is amazing as both should start, too bad they didn’t sign FSU NT Fabian Lovett to an UDFA contract. Instead they went with a NT thats a bit undersized, but relentless and a team leader, he will fit right in. Karty was my top kicker. Corum and Whittington both bring punt and kick return experience with them as well as flawless fits inside the offense, the 2 OL add depth and developmental OL. Kinchens was a steal in the 3rd and should push for starter minutes early and Jackson is a early down edge with the ability to squeeze down to the 5t on passing downs.

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