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April 14, 2017 at 3:20 pm in reply to: Interviews (4/13-4/15): Whitworth w/Clayton (audio) … + Barwin, Higbee, Cooper #67415
znModeratorTyler and Pharoah, I’m afraid, are not destined to be known as sharp thinkers.
When it comes to that, we won’t be tempted to compare them to Isaac, Marshall, or Kurt.
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April 14, 2017 at 3:15 pm in reply to: Interviews (4/13-4/15): Whitworth w/Clayton (audio) … + Barwin, Higbee, Cooper #67414
znModeratorWorkout One-On-One with Pharoh Cooper
Reporter Dani Klupenger gets to know second year wide receiver Pharoh Cooper during the first week of Rams offseason workouts.
znModeratorRams Owner Stan Kroenke very interested in Peyton Manning taking on John Elway type role in LA.
Ah, shallow Stan.
The difference is I believed when he was hired that Elway was qualified for that role.
Manning? Nothing about him tells me HE is.
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znModeratorGive it Time. I'm told Rams Owner Stan Kroenke very interested in Peyton Manning taking on John Elway type role in LA.
— Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites) April 14, 2017
znModeratorI have no problem with that approach, zn. But i dont just ‘dismiss’ any of those voices in those two links. They raise questions for me. I dont adopt their views but they do raise questions.
The second link was not one involving Hitchens and Urban. It was more interesting, I thought.
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vOf course I dismiss them!
They repeat the Russian take on this with nothing on their side but smarmy innuendo.
They do not genuinely cover the range of views and evidence.
Back when, I reacted the same way to rightie claims that Hussein was in league with al qaeda.
Just don’t take that personally. It’s just what my instincts see in all this.
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znModeratorUrban can’t even direct Hitchens to a report or an article or anything at all to back up his claim that “evidence” exists to prove his claim — something you’d imagine would be easy for an editor at a major BBC news program to do.
You want to do this the right way?
We can go look up the evidence/argument for it ourselves. We don’t need fringe talking heads and guys like Hitchens (who you remember skewers Chomsky).
Actually research the thing, for real, without a predisposed outcome. It’s what we did in the lead-up to the Iraq war. We could actually examine the entire spectrum of what was out there and make real judgments based on actually knowing the whole story.
I thought what Hitchens did was disinqenuous (as usual). It is possible to pull up what the europeans and americans (and russians) were saying at the time.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/04/world/syria-us-evidence-chemical-weapons-attack/
President Barack Obama says the United States has “high confidence” that Syria used chemical weapons — the strongest position the U.S. can take short of confirmation.
Britain, France, and Germany say their intelligence backs up the same conclusion.
znModeratorNFL says no basis for suit over Rams’ departure
The National Football League says there is “no legitimate basis” for a lawsuit filed over the Rams’ 2016 relocation from St. Louis to Los Angeles, the Associated Press reports.
The city of St. Louis, St. Louis County and the region’s sports authority filed suit Wednesday, naming the NFL and all 32 teams as defendants. The suit, filed in St. Louis, seeks unspecified but “extensive” damages and restitution.
The lawsuit alleges the Rams failed to meet league relocation rules when leaving for Los Angeles before last season, constituting a contractual breach with St. Louis.
But NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy says the league worked diligently with local and state officials in a process he calls “honest and fair.”
znModeratorDeadpool wrote:
Deadpool’s 2017 Bigboard
Some notes:
I expanded from 100 to 125 this year due to the Rams not having a 1st rounder. Don’t get used to it, because in my opinion, they all get jumbled after around 75.
The QBs are ranked combinationally (is that a word? ) by where they should be ranked against everyone else and where they will probably get drafted due to the importance of the position.
I do take character issues into account, but I don’t know everything so I am sure I have missed a ton.
Same goes for injuries. Without inside knowledge, we have no idea how serious these injuries are.
Lastly, I have seen everyone of these guys play actual football from games I recorded, to youtube to draft breakdown.
Deadpool’s 2017 Big Board
1. Myles Garrett – DE – Texas A&M – Top edge rusher in the draft. No real holes in his game. Just an explosive, smooth athlete.
2. Jonathan Allen- DL – Alabama – Could play a 4-3 end in base set, move inside on passing downs or could be a 3-4 end. Serious pass rush from the inside.
3. Leonard Fournette – RB – LSU – A hammer between the tackles and enough speed to take it to the house. Rare athleticism for his size at the position. Just a punisher. Going to have to watch his weight.
4. Malik Hooker – S – Ohio State – A ballhawk with a ton of range and instincts. One of my altime safety favorites since I started doing this.
5. Jamal Adams – S – LSU – a rare heat seeking missle SS that has very good coverage skills. Great instincts and an absolute hammer. Not your typical in the box safety.
6. Marshaun Lattimore – CB – Ohio State – Very fluid cover corner with great feet. Is active in run support and is more then willing to stick his nose in the middle of things.
7. Christian McCaffery – RB – Stanford – Multiple position threat. Slot, RB, PR, KR you name it. Best pass catching RB in draft. 4.48 speed with incredible feet, is patient with burst. Just lacks some bulk.
8. Derek Barnett – Edge – Tennessee – A terror off the edge that was a sack machine. Not a liability against the run. More athletic then given credit for and plays with an edge.
9. Soloman Thomas – Edge – Stanford – Quick first step, strong and more of an athlete then we are used to seeing from Stanford lineman. A tad raw and size wise a tweener but his skill set is just too much to ignore.
10. O.J. Howard – TE – Alabama – A gifted pass catcher with the ability to block. A true size/ speed TE.
11. Haasan Reddick -OLB – Temple – I like him more then most. But he is your new age 4-3 OLB. Smooth sideline to sideline with the speed to match up with these weapon TEs.
12. Mike Williams – WR – Clemson – Not a homerun hitter, but has great size and is a master at going up and getting the ball. Not a plodder though.
13. Reuben Foster – ILB – Alabama – A thumper that has learned to stop leading with his head. Instinctive, agile, sideline to sideline and nasty. Can cover. Questionable character IMO.
14. Corey Davis – WR – Western Michigan – A favorite of mine for a few years now. He’s a size/speed/weight WR that has great hands and super college production. Level of Competition doesn’t botehr me.
15. Ryan Ramczyk – OT – Wisconsin – (pronounced Ram check) Top LT in a weak OT class. Great build for the position. Good bend and a decent hand punch. Tad raw and prolly starts on the right side.
16. Jabrill Peppers – SS – Michigan – Was fun to watch play all over at Michigan, but in reality, he is a SS only and a to return guy with freakish athletic ability. Smooth and fast, but lacks the weight to be a OLB in the pros.
17. Mitch Trubisky – QB – North Carolina – 1 spot lower then I had Goff last year. Has all the tools, a tad short at 6-2″ but that isn’t a big deal to me. 13 college starts tells me he needs time to develop. Good mobility, good arm, few interceptions with a 68% completion %.
18. John Ross – WR – Washington – An obvious speed freak (4.22) but undersized at 5-8 and 188. Vertical threat, can take the top off a defense, whatever term you like. A Desean Jackson type WR.
19. Dalvin Cook – RB – Florida State – Here’s your homerun threat. Incredible balance and feet. Just an amazingly athletic RB that has pass catching skills. Off the field red flags.
20. David Njoku – TE – Miami – Athletic freak with great size for the position but only 13 starts. A serious mismatch TE.
21. Cam Robinson – OT – Alabama – A natural RT where speed won’t affect him as much. Could be an OG. A mauling run blocker that has had issues against athletic, quick rushers in the passing game.
22. Takkarist McKinley – OLB – UCLA – IMO a 3-4 OLB that is at his best going forward. Explosive, quick and pretty smooth. A natural edge rusher.
23. Zach Cunningham – ILB – Vanderbilt – A 3 down ILB. Love his insticts, ability to cover (watch the Engram Ole Miss game) and ability to shed. A tad narrow framed and never had a int. in
24. Charles Harris – Edge – Missouri – An athletic, speed rusher. More of a 3-4 OLB then a 4-3 end. Played with and without his hand in the dirt.
25. Marlon Humphrey – CB – Alabama – Here’s where it gets fun as far as CB rankings. I like his size/ speed combo along with his agressiveness in run support. He had a few hiccups in pass coverage this year, but nothing alarming IMO.
26. Caleb Brantley – DT – Florida – A 3 tech in a 4-3 defense. A very disruptive interior lineman. Excellent quickness off the snap. Interviewed poorly at the combine.
27. Deshaun Watson – QB – Clemson – Althetic QB that thrives in high pressure situations and seems like a natural leader. I question his accuracy and decision making with the football. The system he comes from will make for an adjustment period.
28. Taco Charlton – DE – Michigan – A riser on my personal board all year. A classic, long 4-3 end that can get after the QB.
29. Quincy Wilson – CB – Florida – Another bigger (6′-1″ 210 lb) CB that is physical. Faster than quick. Needs to stay focused.
30. Tre’Davious White – CB – LSU – 5′-11″ so average size, a 4 year starter that got better every year, including his level of aggresiveness. Smooth CB trending upward IMO.
31. Forrest Lamp – OG – Western Kentucky – could also be a OC. Prolly goes much higher then I have him but too much depth at CB and edge rushers puch him down. A OT with average arm length moving him inside. Uses his hands well and is aggresive in run blocking. Kinda narrow lower half.
32 . Gareon Conley – CB – Ohio State – 6′-0″ 195 CB that has good length to play against bigger WRs and enough speed to match up with quicker WRs.
33. Malik McDowell – DT – Michigan State – 6′-6″, 295 lbs. – played inside and out. Great length and hand use. Can play with a high motor (can also disappear)
34. Kevin King – CB – Washington – 6′-3″, 200 lbs. A lanky CB. Hass played slot and outside as well as starting his career as a FS. Smooth with nice speed and a willing tackler. A tad raw from moving around the defense so much.
35. Evan Engram – TE – Ole Miss – At 6′-3″ 235 lbs. with a 4.4 40 time is he a WR a slot WR or a TE? At TE he has elite speed that could create matchup issues. At WR not so much. Have heard his work ethic is second to none.
36. Garett Bolles – OT – Utah – Good feet with a nice punch that allows him to mirror opponents. A tad older then other prospects at 24, was out of football for 2 years.
37. Obi Melifonwu – S – UConn – 6′-4″ 225 lb. rangy safety that is ultra athletic and can work in the box or play man. In any normal year, would be the top S off the board.
38. Budda Baker – FS – Washington – plays bigger then his 5′-10″ 195 lb frame. Plays fast, plays sideline to sideline and is a willing tackler. Poor hands…
39. TJ Watt – OLB – Wisconsin – either a 4-3 SSLB or more likely a 3-4 OLB. Excellent edge rusher who also does well setting the edge. (get ready for a run on OLB )
40. Jordan Willis – OLB – Kansas State – 3-4 OLB. Another good pass rusher that can set the edge and is more athletic then he gets credit for.
41. Tyus Bowser – OLB – Houston – 3rd 3-4 OLB. Exposive first step and good bend get him to the QB. Missed a month of his senior year after breaking an orbital bone fighting a teammate…
42. Pat Mahomes II – QB – Texas Tech – The gunslinger in this class that has tons of ability and like every other QB, needs time. Confident, mobile and a huge arm. Decision making can be iffy.
43. Jarrad Davis – ILB – Florida – Sideline to sideline finisher. Athletic and decent in coverage. Only hole is he can be over aggresive and get washed out.
44. Curtis Samuel – WR – Ohio State – A combo WR/RB in college. Will be a WR in the pros. Good hands, good route runner and as dangerous as anyone in the draft in the open field.
45. Adoree Jackson – CB – USC – undersized at 5-10″ 186 lbs. More athlete then football player at this point. Going to start in the slot and will need technique work, but has ball skills.
46. Dan Feeney – OG – Indiana – I like him as a RG. Plays with a nasty streak.+ pass protecter that came from a zone scheme. Can pull. Plays with patience, ie, doesn’t lunge.
47. Tim Williams – OLB – Alabama – Gets after the QB as an OLB. Explosive with bend that makes him an excellent pass rusher. Needs work setting edge in run game.
48. Sidney Jones – CB – Washington – A smooth corner with tremendous ball skills and is decent in run support and can blitz. Narrow frame may be a concern, but IMO he plays bigger then he is. NOTE: injury at proday keeps him from playing his season.
49. DeShone Kizer – QB – Notre Dame – Built well for a QB, athletic, a good arm to make all the throws. Shows some touch at times. I wish I liked him more, but he teases you one game with his talent and then it disappears. Needs some time (like every other QB this year) to develop.
50. Dion Dawkins – OG/OT – Temple – Excellent balance to go along with good technique. I like him inside as a guard where he can use his power.
51. Derek Rivers – OLB/DE – Youngstown State – I really like this FCS kid as a 3-4 OLB. He is what I like to call a speed to power converter. Can set an edge. Should be a better pro then college player. Needs to develop some pass rush moves.
52. Chidobe Awuzie – CB – Colorado – 6′, 200 lb corner that is smooth with loose hips and plays inside and out. Can get a tad handsy at times.
53. Alvin Kamara – RB – Tennessee – Explosive with some wiggle and good balance. Not as instinctive as the first 3 RBs on my list.
54. Fabian Moreau – CB – UCLA – Another smooth athlete with elite top end speed. Good size for the position. Inexperienced due to position change and it shows at times. Torn pectoral at Pro Day.
55. Carl Lawson – DE/OLB – Auburn – Explosive off the edge, also good at setting the edge. Injury history and needs to develop more pass rush moves.
56. Teez Tabor – CB – Florida – Prototypical size for position, athletic and mirrors well and has recovery speed. Had some lapses in coverage this season and a miserable 40 time is concerning.
57. Adam Shaheen – TE – Ashland – Rare size, speed, athleticism for the position. 6′-6″ 278 lbs and ran a 4.78. Can block but needs work. Major step up in competition.
58. Raekwon McMillan – ILB/OLB – Ohio State – Downhill with instincts. Plenty of speed and shows some pass coverage ability. Struggles taking on blocks.
59. JuJu Smith-Schuster – WR – USC – Strong, physical WR. Hands catcher and wins contested balls. Good route runner. Troubles with seperation.
60. Chris Wormley – DT – Michigan – Played inside and out. good bullrush. Quick but not explosive. Athletic for his size. Lacks what I would call a suddenness to his game.
61. Desmond King – S- Iowa – Played corner for the Hawkeyes but lack of speed will move him to safety. Instictive with ball skills. Physically limited.
62. Josh Jones – S – NCST – Size/speed combo with ball skills that can be over aggressive at times.
63. Gerald Everett – TE – South Alabama – Another WR in a TE body that plays fast and eats up turf. Willing blocker. Needs route running work.
64. Chris Godwin – WR – Penn St. – Excellent route runner with good hands. Plays slower then his timed speed.
65. Cooper Kupp – WR – Eastern Washington – Route technichian with excellent hands playing in the slot. Can he play outside?
66. Tarell Basham – DE – Ohio – Another speed to power athlete. High motor and can set an edge. Needs pass rush moves.
67. Cordrea Tankersly – CB – Clemson – Nice length for the position. Does well to mirror WRs and good production. Concerned about instincts / too handsy for my liking.
68. Marcus Maye – S – Florida – Prototypical size for position. Makes plays on the ball and plays sideline to sideline. Can get lost in coverage at times.
69. Marcus Williams – S – Utah – Another prototype sized S that has instincts and plays sideline to sideline. needs to get stronger.
70. ArDarius Stewart – WR – Alabama – WR that gets it done. Nothing flashy, plays tough, wins contested balls and tough to tackle.
71. Ahkello Witherspoon – CB – Colorado – 6′-3″ 200 lb. size/speed combo with loose hips but needs to add weight.
72. Taylor Moton – OT/OG – WEstern Michigan – Big and strong and needs to be a guard. has played OG and OT. Footwork and balance issues force him inside.
73. Dorian Johnson – OG – Pitt – Big, strong with an excellent lower body for a OG. Needs to stay engaged in blocks longer at times.
74. Zay Jones – WR – East Carolina – High production with good hands. Has played inside and out. Competes. Average play speed IMO. Lots of production came after team was desperately behind.
75. Montravius Adams – DT – Auburn – Disruptive, plays low and explosive. Lets blockers get into his body too often.
76. Pat Elfein – OC/OG – Ohio State – Strong lower body, plays with patience. Good hands. A little stiff .
77. Ryan Anderson -OLB – ALabama – Excellent hand work and sets a mean edge. More of an effort pass rusher. Not explosive, not real rangy.
78. Larry Ogunjobi – DT – Charlotte – 6′-3″ and plays low with decent explosiveness off the snap. Short arms and could use more size in his game.
79. Antonio Garcia – OT – Troy – very athletic with +feet. Needs to add some weight, short arms not ideal.
80. Chad Hansen – WR – Cal – good size @ 6′-2″ and deceptive speed. Plays smooth and physical. Good hands. needs to create more seperation.
81. Cameron Sutton – CB – Tennessee – Instinctual CB with good hands and smooth feet that needs to add some size.
82. Isaac Asiata – OG – Utah – has played OG/OC – A flat out non-stop mauler thjat can be over aggressive at times.
83. Davis Webb – QB – Cal – Big arm, big body. Comes from a air raid offense so needs to sit and learn…
84. Ethan Pocic – OC – LSU – Tall and athletic for a center. Good hand usage. Not strong and can get leveraged.
85. Justin Evans – S – Texas A&M – Some of the best ball skills in the draft and is always around the ball. Likes to hit, but doesn’t tackle. Needs more size.
86. DeMarcus Walker – DE – Florida – Has excellent hand work, nice array of pass rusah moves and finds ways to get to the QB. Very inconsistant when you watch him from game to game.
87. Joe Mixon – RB – Oklahoma – does it all. Excellent burst, can thump between the tackles, excellent pass catcher and has excellent feet. As a human being, the guy is a repeat offender dirtbag I wouldn’t touch.
88. Dalvin Tomlinson – DT – Alabama – Big, thick space eater in the middle. Not very athletic, but does the dirty work.
89. Jordan Leggett – TE – Clemson – Good length for the position at 6′-5″. Hands catcher that really puts pressure on the seam. Can block. Stiff and needs to put in consistant effort.
90. Amara Darboh – WR – Michigan – Excellent size and ran a 4.45 but doesn’t play to that speed. Physical, heady player.
91. Eddie Jackson – S – Alabama – Rangy S that has played CB. Has good ball skills and is a +punt returner. Average athlete.
92. D’Onta Foreman – RB – Texas – excellent feet and athleticism for a big back. Needs to work on ball security.
93. Taywan Taylor – WR – West. Kentucky – Slot WR that gets seperatuion with his athleticism and speed. Does let the ball get into his body.
94. Jourdan Lewis – CB – Michigan – undersized nickel CB that plays much bigger then he is. Great feet. Good speed and athletic. Just lacks size.
95. Carlos Henderson – WR – Louisiana Tech – Under-rated WR that has top end speed, ok runner, good hands and has returner experience. Is he a slot guy in the NFL? Step up in competition.
96. Charles Walker – DT – Oklahoma – Strength and quickness is very good. Consistancy is not. When is is is right, he is tough to stop. Concussions could be an issue.
97. Nathan Peterman – QB – Pitt – Average physically, inc. his arm. Came from a pro style offense so can drop back. mechanics need work, but he is accurate.
98. Dede Westbrook – WR – Oklahoma – Smooth route runner that is dangerous with the ball in his hands. Extremely light in the weight deptartment.
99. Kendall Beckwith – ILB – LSU – Physical, old school MLBer that is willing to take on blockers. Average athletically. torn ACL may have him drop.
100. George Kittle – TE – Iowa – Good blocker, +hands that can press the seams and is more of a reciever then your typical Iowa TE. needs route work.
101. Rasul Douglas – CB – West Virginia – Big, physical CB at 6′-2″. Excellent awareness with OK speed. Burner WRs will give him trouble. Serious concerns about his smarts.
102. Alex Anzalone – OLB – Florida – Can play inside and out, 3-4 or 4-3. Good moving forward or backward. Injury history concerns.
103. Tanoh Kpassagnon – DE – Villanova – A tall, long 3-4 DE that uses his athelicism and long arms to get to the QB. Good at setting the edge and holding his ground. Not explosive.
104. Eddie Vanderdoes – DT – UCLA – Athletic and powerful. Looked better pre-ACL tear. Played all last year and seemed off. Knee is an issue.
105. Anthony Walker Jr. – ILB – Northwestern – instinctive middle LBer works best going downhill. A little limited athletically.
106. Jake Butt – TE – Michigan – A tough in-line chain moving TE with strong hands. OK as a blocker. Tore his ACL in bowl game.
107. Trey Hendrickson – DE – Florida Atlantic – Good burst with good arm use. Uses a couple of rush moves. Force fumble machine. A little small and can have issues setting the edge.
108. Roderick Johnson – OT – Florida State – Tall OT with long arms and uses them well with a solid punch. Strong. Balance and movement issues make him a RT.
109. Malachi Dupree – WR – LSU – good size at 6′-2″ 200 lbs, solid hands with excellent body control. QB play makes him a hard eval. Doesn’t play to his 4.5 speed.
110. Jaleel Johnson – DT – Iowa – Athletic with a revved up motor for a big kid. Excellent hand use. Gets upright at times and issues once a blocker gets into his body.
111. Bucky Hodges – TE – Virginia Tech – Tall, smooth TE with 4.57 speed. Will work the seam and the redzone. Needs route work. Hands can be iffy at times.
112. Duke Riley – OLB – LSU – Downhill read and react LBer. Average athlete.
113. Blair Brown – OLB – Ohio – Instictive, downhill LBer that finishes. A tad undersized.
114. Josh Reynolds – WR – Texas A&M – Long WR with 4.5 speed that wins jump balls. Wins contested balls and is a vertical threat. Thin framed that has problems with the jam.
115. Carlos Watkins – DT – Clemson – Big and athletic. Good hand use. Can get leveraged by OGs, needs to play lower.
116. Samaje Perine – RB – Oklahoma – A bruiser back with yards after contact power. Not much wiggle.
117. Nico Siragusa – OG – San Deigo State – A muscular fire hydrant. Excellent run blocker. Needs work on pass pro.
118. Elijah Qualls – DT – Washington – A 6′-1″ space eating fire hydrant. Short arms and legs make it difficult for him to make plays.
119. Daeshon Hall – DE – Texas A& M – High motor guy that has played as a LB and DE. IMO a 4-3 DE. Can set the edge against the run and has shown he is athletic enough to rush the passer. 1 yr as a DE makes him raw.
120. Jonnu Smith – TE – Florida International – Another seam pressing TE with 4.6 speed. Decent blocker. Doesn’t have natural hands.
121. – Vince Biegel – OLB – Wisconsin – 3-4 OLB with a high motor. Plays the run well. At his best playing downhill. Needs to get stronger (once he gets engaged, tough to disengage)
122. Eric Magnuson – OL – Michigan – Gets the OL designation because I feel he could play multiple positions. Experience at OG and OT. I think he ends up inside. Needs to get stronger.
123. -Dawuane Smoot – DE – Illinois – 6′-3″ 265 lb DE/OLB tweener with 4.77 speed. High motor, good athlete with some speed to power that I like. Can have issues against the run.
124. Noah Brown – WR – Ohio State – A big, physical WR that wins contested catches and moves the sticks. Really raw and young.
125. John Johnson – S – Boston College – Has played CB and S. Smooth with +footwork. Excellent ball skills and gets sideline to sideline. Needs to play more physically as a S.
April 13, 2017 at 11:08 pm in reply to: Trump allows coal plants to dump arsenic and mercury into the waterways #67385
znModeratorDo you ever feel like you are getting PTSD just
from reading the headlines these days.w
vWell that’s just your fault for not being a billionaire.
April 13, 2017 at 11:06 pm in reply to: Rams exercise Aaron Donald’s 2018 option…but not Robinson's #67384
znModeratorBased on “so far” that’s the obvious choice you make at this point in each case.
We’ll see if GR can settle down.
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znModeratorWhenever there is a lack of new topics or replies to existing topics on this board I go over to the old HERD board to see what’s new. I just want to hear some good news about the Rams and that board is always fairly busy.
But then I read what they are posting on the HERD and leave disappointed and more appreciative of this board. I have no desire to read about someone’s speculation that we should trade for Josh Gordon because maybe he has straightened himself out. Followed by a bunch of posts that maybe he hasn’t. Followed by another topic that someone isn’t sold on Todd Gurley.
PUHLEEZ
Thanks for being a quality over quantity message board!
Problem with all the other boards out there is all the misreading that goes on.
Having said that, I agree with your point about trading Gurley for Gordon.
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znModeratorFeels like a bit of an insult to the current roster of players. It would be interesting to hear from McVay whether he thinks the on-field staff needs three years to coach up this team and whatever new players come along in the next couple of years. Will the head coach say ‘we are three years away’ before training camp even opens? Hell no. Maybe Snead is making excuses for his mediocre draft classes and is trying to sell this as a three year work in progress?
I wonder about all this and how many different ways it could go. There’s cause for optimism, there’s cause for “being patient.”
CB: Not sure what or who they will have. Long list of names, including Johnson of course (unless he’s gone) and Kayvon Webster, and he might be good near as we know at this point. I am assuming that Robey-Coleman is at least a decent nickel. It is a deep year for drafting corner.
DB: I like the combo of Joyner and Alexander. There’s some fresh names behind them we don’t know about yet–like Randolph. It is a deep year for drafting safety too.
LBs: I assume Barwin and Ogletree will be fine and we have to find out about Quinn and Barron in their new positions. Lots of names behind them with some buzz.
DL: So far it’s Donald, Brockers, and Easley. I don’t know about Easley at DE. It’s not clear if Westbrooks will be on the team though he has played at NT, DT, and DE, which makes it sound like he’s a 3/4 DE.
OL: We all know about Whitworth and Sullivan, assuming both are healthy. Saffold could be good in this scheme but we all know the issue there. What about the right side? We know the questions there…Hav at guard, GR at ROT? Brown gets talked about by McVay. I thought Donnal stepped up some last year at guard.
TE: It’s a deep TE draft and McVay likes his TEs, but can you count on rookie TEs? And what does he have in Higbee, Harkey, and Williams?
QB: Goff has a lot to prove but it’s hard right now, at this moment, to say objectively what they have in him. Having said that I like him and he showed me enough “very few can do that” throws to be on the optimistic side. Also Mannion I think will actually show something. Best case is that both Goff and Mannion come through. That could happen, in fact.
Tavon: I actually really don’t count Tavon as a WR, but last year they used him more as a WR, and I am not sure he has all the things you need to be a WR. I like him more as a “multiple yards weapon” style hybrid. Will McVay see it that way, or will he see him as a WR? Will McVay get more out of him? This sounds like a complaint but I like what Tavon brings.
WR: Woods, and…Cooper? Spruce? Thomas? You have to assume they will add to this. The draft is not top heavy with elite WRs but it is supposed to be deep with lots of different kinds of role player WRs.
Gurley: I never see a “nailed it” answer to what happened to him last year, though IMO a lot of it was him, showing up without the off-season work. This year he went out of his way to say he started his off-season work sooner than he did last year.
Special Teams: STs are just fine.
Offensive coaching: a lot of youth in McVay and LaFleur, though they have been around successful programs. A lot of deep experience with Kromer and Olson. I am impressed that Olson turned down an offer to be a coordinator somewhere else. It means you have a former coordinator at qb coach.
Defensive coaching: That’s the sound a ball makes when it is hit out of the park.
znModeratorApril 13, 2017 at 10:29 pm in reply to: Interviews (4/13-4/15): Whitworth w/Clayton (audio) … + Barwin, Higbee, Cooper #67378
znModeratorApril 13, 2017 at 10:13 pm in reply to: Video breakdown of Wade Phillips' defense & more discussion of the transition #67375
znModeratori’m curious as to what phillips does with donald.
what adjustments does he make to play to his strengths. i don’t think he quite had anyone in denver who could compare to donald in terms of skill set.
That’s true about Donald. The strength in the Denver front 7 was at OLBs. Their weakness (relatively speaking for a defense that achieved NFL historical level results) was the DL. Not that the Rams OLBs are bad–if Quinn and Barwin can play, then, they ought to be fine. But the Rams strength of course is potentially the DL.
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znModeratorpoplarbluffman wrote:
pro day meetings give a good peek at priorities and player interest also interesting tp see where the Rams aren’t …..pro days are usually used to stack boards for later rd/priority udfa signings
Alabama will have all 32 teams but Idaho might have only 3,4 NFL teams there when I come across them I’ll post
Idaho Nose tackle Glen Antoine put up some impressive numbers. Tipping the scales at 337 pounds Antoine completed 37 reps on the bench (31 7/8 inch arms) posted a 30 inch vertical jump and 8-foot-7 broad.
The New York Jets met with the potential nose tackle (third one of the week) while Antoine also met with the Browns, Steelers, Bengals and Los Angeles Rams.David Jones Richmond FS He measured 6014 and 205 pounds today and timed 4.43s/4.45s in the 40 and 4.3s in the short shuttle. His vertical jump topped 34 inches, and his broad measured 10-foot-9. Jones also completed 12 reps on the bench.Today he met with the Los Angeles Rams,
David Jones Richmond 6’1 210 led FCS with 9 int in 2015 broke arm in 2016 off the charts character/intelligence and ran 4.45 at pro day might of gone has high as 3rd rd if if stayed healthy
At today’s @PittStGorillas Pro Day. Rams, Broncos, Cardinals and Eagles amongst teams present for Wilson, Washington and Copelin’s workout
Copelin wass a former Mizzou wr behind Sasser on the depth chart.. Missouri WR Levi Copelin suspended by NCAA for 2014 season…Missouri redshirt sophomore wideout Levi Copelin will miss the entire 2014 football season through suspension after failing an NCAA-administered drug test. In a statement, Copelin says he took an over-the-counter nutritional supplement which is “legal and available to the public” but on the NCAA’s list of prohibited substances, leading to the failed test and the NCAA’s subsequent year-long suspension.
6’1 190 tall lanky fast wr solid st player
Rams attended Toledo’s pro day to watch Kareem Hunt rb my 58th best player in the draft…knocked a full sec off his combine 40…
could he possibly fall to to 4th rd? true #1 back..can pass protect, cath the ball and very, very good as a rb…with Gurley sucking for a season and a half Rams need draft a rb with #1 potential
CB Brendan Langley (6-0 7/8, 196) stood on all of his combine numbers, and had a very good workout, showing quick feet. He also went through punt-return drills. Rams one of 11 teams there
really impressive player with the signing of Robey would expect Rams will look harder at outside cb’s
znModeratorSt. Louis’ NFL Lawsuit Could Open Legal, PR Floodgates
Thomas Barrabi
FOXBusinessThe city of St. Louis’ lawsuit this week against the NFL and its 32 teams over the Rams’ move to Los Angeles could trigger alarm bells for league officials that approved three controversial franchise relocations in the last two years.
About 15 months after losing the Rams franchise, St. Louis officials say the NFL violated its own standardized relocation guidelines and breached its contract when it approved the team’s move. The city has asked a St. Louis court to compel the NFL to hand over its profits from the relocation, and to award punitive damages to make up for lost revenue.
The NFL also approved relocations for its Raiders and Chargers franchises within the last year – much to the chagrin of fans and officials in their respective home cities of Oakland and San Diego. If St. Louis’ case against the league and its team owner proceeds to trial, the legal and PR fallout from the suit could extend far beyond Missouri, according to Richard Roth, a New York-based sports attorney.
“The case will hinge on the club’s motion to dismiss,” Roth told FOX Business. “If it is granted – and it may not be – then there will be little damage to the NFL’s image as, typical of other lawsuits against the league, the suit will come and go. If, on the other hand, the motion is denied and the suit continues, antennas will go up with not only the league but the Chargers and Raiders organizations.”
Officials in St. Louis claim the loss of the Rams cost the city more than “$100 million in net proceeds,” including up to $3.5 million in annual amusement and ticket tax revenue and roughly $7.5 million in property taxes. The filing points to the rising value of the Rams’ franchise, which Forbes said doubled in value to $3 billion after the move, as well as the $500 million relocation fee the Rams paid to the other 31 owners, as proof that league officials improperly benefitted.
“The Rams, the NFL, through its member teams, and the owners, have violated the obligations and standards governing team relocations by seeking and approving the relocation of the St. Louis Rams from St. Louis to Los Angeles, California, despite the fact that the Rams failed to satisfy the obligations imposed by the League’s relocation rules and the fact that relocation was not supported by the required statement of reasons or the adopted relocation standards. In so doing, Defendants have breached their contractual duties owed to Plaintiffs,” the lawsuit says.
The NFL established its current relocation guidelines in 1984. Under the rules, teams interested in a move must “work diligently and in good faith to obtain and to maintain suitable stadium facilities in their home territories, and to operate in a manner that maximizes fan support in their current home community.”
The suit alleges the NFL’s actions during the Rams’ relocation bid violated this standard. The filing lists several instances in which league and team officials, including Rams owner Stan Kroenke, allegedly made false statements about their intention to keep the franchise in St. Louis.
“There is no legitimate basis for this litigation. While we understand the disappointment of the St. Louis fans and the community, we worked diligently with local and state officials in a process that was honest and fair at all times,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement.
Representatives for the Los Angeles Rams declined to comment.
Negotiations between the NFL and St. Louis broke down in late 2015 after league officials expressed dissatisfaction with St. Louis’ proposed plans for a new stadium. The league’s 32 owners approved the Rams’ move to Los Angeles in January 2016.
Officials in Oakland and San Diego were critical of the NFL’s decision to relocate their teams in recent months, though neither city has attempted legal action to date.
Roth, who noted that there is no clear precedent for the suit, said St. Louis officials would have to prove the NFL did not “work diligently” to find a solution in the local market, despite their best efforts.
“The City and local government are claiming that the club failed to work diligently with the municipality, as they had done everything the club had asked for; namely, agreeing to a new stadium, finding a way to finance it and responding to each of the club’s demands. If that is the case, then the club did breach its guidelines, providing the municipalities with potential damages,” Roth said.
However, any legal victory would likely be more symbolic than a source of financial reward. If the case proceeds to trial, the plaintiffs would have to convince the court that their claims of financial harm are warranted.
“Damages…are a very tricky issue. They are not easy to prove and may very well be speculative,” Roth said.[/quote]
znModeratorSt. Louis suing Rams, NFL for leaving for Los Angeles
Vincent Bonsignore
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20170412/st-louis-suing-rams-nfl-for-leaving-for-los-angeles
It’s been more than a year since the National Football League approved the Rams’ relocation from St. Louis to Los Angeles.
And now St. Louis wants payback.
The city and county of St. Louis and the Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority (RSA) filed a 52-page lawsuit Wednesday against the NFL and its 32 teams seeking damages and restitution of profits over the loss of the Rams.
The suit accuses the NFL and the Rams of violating the league’s relocation policies put in place in 1984 to avoid antitrust liability for any future franchise relocations.
You can read the entire lawsuit here.
Among the specific accusations, the suit claims the NFL:
• Failed to require the Rams to meet its “primary obligation … to advance the interests of the League in its home territory” including “maximizing fan support.”
• Allowed relocation when the Ram’s “viability in its home territory” was not “threatened.”
• Failed to require the Rams to “work diligently and in good faith to obtain and to maintain suitable stadium facilities in their home territory.”
• Failed to provide the notice of relocation, statement of reasons, and accompanying material to the RSA or home market in a timely fashion to allow Plaintiffs to respond adequately to the “proposed transfer.”
• Failed to have any notice of relocation published in newspapers of general circulation and failed to require the Rams to address “specifically” “each of the factors” identified in the Relocation Policy.
The suit also accuses the Rams and owner Stan Kroenke of fraudulent misrepresentation and the NFL – specifically Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones – of intentionally interfering with the business relationship between the Rams and St. Louis’ by “encouraging, promoting, and conspiring with the Rams to develop a plan to relocate the Rams to Los Angeles and convincing the other member-teams to approve the relocation.”
“There is no legitimate basis for this litigation,” an NFL spokesman said. “While we understand the disappointment of the St. Louis fans and the community, we worked diligently with local and state officials in a process that was honest and fair at all times.”
A Rams spokeseman said the club does not comment on pending litigation.
According to the suit, St. Louis has lost between $1.85 million and $3.5 million in amusement and ticket tax revenue since the Rams left before the 2016 season and $7.5 million in property tax and $1.4 million in sales tax revenue. It also claims the departure of the Rams has resulted in in hotel tax, property tax, and sales tax revenue.
The Rams played 21 seasons in St. Louis after relocating there from Los Angeles in 1994, but began looking a new home after the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission declined an arbitrators ruling to pay $700 million to renovate the Edward Jones Dome in 2013.
By declining the arbitrators decision, St. Louis triggered an early out clause in the Rams Edward Jones Dome lease and freed the Rams to look elsewhere for a new home.
Ironically, that out clause was negotiated into the original lease as part of the deal to lure the Rams from Los Angeles to St. Louis. Essentially it stipulated St. Louis was financially responsible for making sure the Edward Jones Dome remained a first-tier NFL venue and that the Rams could convert to year-to-year leases beginning in 2015 if St. Louis opted not to honor the clause.
Kroenke and the Rams soon began contemplating a new home after the decision by the St. Louis CVC, with Los Angeles emerging as their desired location after Kroenke got control of nearly 300 acres of open land in Inglewood on which he hoped to build a new stadium as part of a massive multi-use development project.
St. Louis’ decision not to renovate the Edward Jones Dome, and the out clause it resulted in in the lease, played a key role in the NFL eventually approving the Rams to move back to St. Louis.
And while St. Louis and Missouri simultaneously worked toward a local stadium project they hoped would convince the NFL to block the Rams from moving to Los Angeles, the NFL deemed the St. Louis riverfront stadium project non viable shortly before owners voted to allow the Rams to move back to L.A.
znModeratorGoff Has ‘Good Feel’ of McVay’s Offense to Start Phase I
By Myles Simmons
After an up and down rookie season, quarterback Jared Goff is back as the incumbent starter to begin the 2017 offseason program.
Plenty has changed over the last year for the 22-year-old quarterback, including the Rams’ coaching staff. And while Goff was involved in the search, league rules prohibit coaches from distributing a playbook prior to the start of the offseason program. Still, Goff worked over the last few months to get a feel for how head coach Sean McVay’s offense will operate in Los Angeles.
“From what I know, and from what I’ve seen, it’s obviously a great offense,” Goff said on Monday. “And from what I’ve heard, I’ve talked to quarterbacks around the league and coaches and what not, and I haven’t heard a bad word about it. So, I’m excited for it.”
But with a new system comes some significant adjustments for the players involved, particularly at quarterback. That’s why McVay has talked of utilizing all the time available in the offseason program to incrementally install his schemes.
“I think for our quarterbacks as a whole, there’s a lot of work. It’s just making sure we have that one-day approach,” McVay said. “If you look at it where you want to go from A to Z, then you end up getting overwhelmed with the amount of information. But I think as long as you just take little steps at a time, that continuous improvement one day at a time, then I feel like that will lead to the things that we want.”
“There’s going to be, obviously, some time to put in for everyone. That’s part of a new staff,” Goff said. “I think the league sets it up to where you get to start earlier, and get a chance to get in there and get a head start on it a little bit, which does help. The next few weeks, we’ll dig into it, and pick it up as fast as we can until we get on the field.”
Goff spent time with noted private quarterback instructors Tom House and Adam Dedeaux over the offseason in order to improve his overall game. House and Dedeaux have demonstrated an ability to better a number of NFL signal-callers, including 2016 MVP Matt Ryan.
“It was great. I had a lot of people recommend it, coaches included, and I went down there and did a lot of work for them,” Goff said. “I felt like I came away a lot better player. I’m excited to continue to work with them.”
“There’s just so much that goes on in a throw that you really didn’t know until you go down there and can experience it, and can go through it,” Goff explained of what he learned. “Now you know when you do make a bad throw, you want to limit them. But when you do, you know why. It’s not just, ‘Oh, that was a bad one,’ and move on. You know why and how to fix it.”
And so now Goff enters the offseason program as the Rams’ No. 1 quarterback — a far cry from where he was at this time in 2016, when he was still visiting teams before the NFL Draft.
“Obviously, I’m much more comfortable with the guys,” Goff said. “I’ve been here for a year. I know everyone’s name. They all know my name. I can talk to, basically, anyone. I have a really good feel for everyone. That’ll obviously help. As well as just being comfortable around the facility. Knowing where everything is, comfortability — you can’t overstate it. It’s really important, as for the quarterback position, and leadership overall.”
It’s likely that comfort led Goff to make a fairly confident statement about his expectations for the Rams’ 2017 season.
“I think I speak for the whole team — I think we’re a lot closer to where we want to be than people may think,” Goff said. “We’ve got the players, we’ve got the talent, we’ve got all the pieces we need, really. It’s just about putting it together now. The coaches and the system we’re going to run is going to be the glue for everything we need.”
znModeratorRAMS DRAFT: SECOND ROUND NFL PROSPECTS FOR LOS ANGELES AFTER PRO DAYS
The Los Angeles Rams do not have a first-round pick in the upcoming NFL Draft, so they must explore many options in the second round. Los Angeles’ first selection in the 2017 NFL Draft occurs at No. 37 overall. Therefore, they will need to address one of their many needs on offense or defense via their top draft selection.
Zay Jones
Eastern Carolina receiver Zay Jones is my favorite for the Rams second round pick in the NFL Draft. He was my ideal fit in a recent seven-round Mock Draft. Jones brings the size and production that Los Angeles needs at receiver. A recent ESPN article detailed that the Rams are one of the most undersized receiver groups in the NFL. Adding Jones would give them a possession receiver to compliment the quick and shifty guys that they already have at the position.
Additionally, Jones has an NFL pedigree and he set a tone of collegiate records. He also answered questions about the competition that he played in college by impressing at the NFL Combine and Senior Bowl against the Draft’s top prospects. Jones has all the makings of a can’t miss second-round selection for the Rams.
Moreover, Penn St. receiver Chris Godwin deserves some consideration from the Rams at No. 37. Los Angeles needs to add some offensive firepower. Remember, their offense ranked as the worst unit in the league. Giving young quarterback Jared Goff some capable targets will be critical to his development. The Rams may find a pass catcher in the second round at tight end, but they should strongly consider Godwin if he is available.
When we last saw Godwin, he torched the USC defense for 187 yards and two touchdowns in the Rose Bowl. Godwin followed that by testing well at the NFL Combine. In fact, he and Jones have a very similar athletic profile. Godwin does not have the gaudy production of Jones, but he did play in bigger games. Los Angeles would be lucky to grab Jones or Godwin. Both could become a starting receiver from Day One.
Budda Baker
Washington safety Budda Baker might deserve a first round selection. He was highly productive in college and he tested well by all accounts. There are some questions about his size and this NFL Draft safety class is deep. Thus, Baker could fall to the Rams in the second round.
For Los Angeles, they’ve lost a starting safety in the last two free agency classes. In 2015, Rodney McLeod bounced and T.J. McDonald left this past free agency period. Now, the Rams are trying LaMarcus Joyner at safety. Therefore, the Rams could use an instant starter at safety like Baker. Baker also played some corner in college, so he could play the slot corner position too.
Cam Robinson
Los Angeles did address the offensive line by signing free agents Andrew Whitworth and John Sullivan. However, they still need young offensive linemen for depth. They may add one in the second round with the hopes that he can develop as a long term protector for Goff and running back Todd Gurley.
Insert Cam Robinson as one of the most logical options for Los Angeles in the second round. Robinson was productive at Alabama and played in some big games. However, there are questions about his ability to finish blocks and protect the quarterback’s blind side in the NFL. This could make Robinson available in the second round. He is an ideal prospect for the guard or right tackle position as he is a mauler who can open running lanes. The Rams need as much blocking help as they can get, so they should be happy to get Robinson. He could develop into a really good NFL starter.
Adoree Jackson
USC corner Adoree Jackson may be available for the Rams due to questions about his size and a deep class of corners in the 2017 NFL Draft. That would be an ideal situation for the Rams. Los Angeles needs another starting corner opposite Trumaine Johnson. Jackson has the speed and ball skills to be an ideal man-coverage corner with the Rams.
Plus, the Rams could use Jackson as a returner. Jackson returned four kicks for a touchdown in college, so Los Angeles will gladly take Jackson’s big-play ability on special teams. Not to mention, Jackson’s USC connection would make him an instant fan favorite for the Rams. Jackson may be too tempting for the Rams to pass on in the second round of the NFL Draft.
At the end of the day, the Rams may not wait until the second round to make a selection. Los Angeles could trade back into the first round. Otherwise, they may find that none of these players are available in at No. 37. Regardless, Los Angeles should consider Zay Jones, Chris Godwin, Budda Baker, Cam Robinson, and Adoree Jackson during Day Two of the 2017 NFL Draft which begins April 28.
znModeratorWith just over two weeks remaining until we kick off the 2017 NFL Draft, there will be no shortage of mock drafts for your viewing pleasure. Some will be completely inaccurate. Others…well…also inaccurate.
But it’s fun to prognosticate, and ESPN’s Todd McShay is one of the best in the business.
On Wednesday, he dropped his latest three-round mock. No In$ider? No Problem. Here’s how McShay foresees the Los Angeles Rams using their first two picks (37 and 69) on April 28th:
Round 2 (37): Adoree’ Jackson, CB/RS, USC
Round 3 (69): Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
Jackson has a chance to have an immediate impact as a returner. His technique in coverage still needs polishing, but he has elite ball skills and the versatility to make an impact in a number of ways (including on offense). The Rams’ starting wide receivers right now are Robert Woods and Tavon Austin. In other words, it’s a position Los Angeles should be looking at on Day 2. Taylor led all FBS players with 3,197 receiving yards and 34 touchdown catches the past two seasons. He’s tough to bring down after the catch.
April 12, 2017 at 9:08 pm in reply to: planet-size telescope to take a picture of a black hole #67347
znModeratorAstronomers piece together first image of black hole
Laurence Coustal
https://phys.org/news/2017-04-astronomers-piece-image-black-hole.html
After training a network of telescopes stretching from Hawaii to Antarctica to Spain at the heart of our galaxy for five nights running, astronomers said Wednesday they may have snapped the first-ever picture of a black hole.
It will take months to develop the image, but if scientists succeed the results may help peel back mysteries about what the universe is made of and how it came into being.
“Instead of building a telescope so big that it would probably collapse under its own weight, we combined eight observatories like the pieces of a giant mirror,” said Michael Bremer, an astronomer at the International Research Institute for Radio Astronomy (IRAM) and a project manager for the Event Horizon Telescope.
“This gave us a virtual telescope as big as Earth—about 10,000 kilometres (6,200 miles) is diameter,” he told AFP.
The bigger the telescope, the finer the resolution and level of detail.
The targeted supermassive black hole is hidden in plain sight, lurking in the centre of the Milky Way in a region called the Sagittarius constellation, some 26,000 light years from Earth.
Dubbed Sagittarius A* (Sgr A* for short), the gravity- and light-sucking monster weighs as much as four million Suns.
Theoretical astronomy tells us when a black hole absorbs matter—planets, debris, anything that comes too close—a brief flash of light is visible.
No going back
Black holes also have a boundary, called an event horizon.
The British astronomer Stephen Hawking has famously compared crossing this boundary to going over Niagra Falls in a canoe: if you are above the falls, it is still possible to escape if you paddle hard enough.
Once you tip over the edge, however, there’s no going back.
The Event Horizon Telescope radio-dish network is designed to detect the light cast-off when object disappear across that boundary.
“For the first time in our history, we have the technological capacity to observe black holes in detail,” said Bremer.
The virtual telescope trained on the middle of the Milky Way is powerful enough to spot a golf ball on the Moon, he said.
The 30-metre IRAM telescope, located in the Spanish Sierra Nevada mountains, is the only European observatory taking part in the international effort.
Other telescopes contributing to the project include the South Pole Telescope in Antarctica, the James Clerk Maxwell Telescope in Hawaii, and the Atacama Cosmology Telescope in the desert of northern Chile.
All the data—some 500 terabytes per station—will be collected and flown on jetliners to the MIT Haystack Observatory in Massachusetts, where it will be processed by supercomputers.
“The images will emerge as we combine all the data,” Bremer explained. “But we’re going to have to wait several months for the result.”
znModeratorfrom 2017 NFL Draft: One burning question for each NFC team
Elliot Harrison
Los Angeles Rams: How much can be done with “limited” draft resources?
Putting that word in quotes up there is not a mistake. The Rams don’t have a first-round pick — because of last year’s trade for the No. 1 overall pick — leading many analysts and fans to think L.A. has no capital to build a team for Sean McVay. Dude, the Rams have eight picks. And before you ask, only one is in the seventh round. GM Les Snead still owns five selections in the top 150. The Rams need talent at receiver, tight end, offensive line, pass rusher and corner. Given the presence of Todd Gurley, here’s hoping they can further upgrade the line following the brilliant signing of veteran Andrew Whitworth. Spending at least two picks on wideouts — or a WR and a TE — makes sense. Bottom line: Let’s stop crying for the Rams. They’re fine.
April 12, 2017 at 2:02 pm in reply to: Rams exercise Aaron Donald’s 2018 option…but not Robinson's #67328
znModeratorRe Rams exercising 5th-year option on Aaron Donald, team not expected to do the same on OT Greg Robinson, No. 4 pick in 2014.
— Gary Klein (@LATimesklein) April 12, 2017
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Klein of course got the pick wrong. Unless he has a special mental disability that causes him to add 2 to every number he writes or speaks. So for example “my hand is fine and healthy and I have all 7 fingers intact.”
More on Robinson:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9313/greg-robinson
The Los Angeles Times’ Gary Klein reports the Rams will decline 2014 first-rounder Greg Robinson’s fifth-year team option for 2018.
Duh. The No. 2 overall pick in the 2014 draft, Robinson has been a colossal bust. He’s arguably been the worst left tackle in the sport since entering the league and is now being flipped to right tackle by the Sean McVay coaching staff. We doubt he proves much better there. The Rams haven’t been able to find a capable left tackle since Hall of Famer Orlando Pace moved on, and they smartly plugged the hole with veteran Andrew Whitworth as a priority free agent.
znModeratorYou know as well as anyone that happiness, fulfillment and satisfaction are journeys, not destinations.
Are we there yet?
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April 12, 2017 at 10:59 am in reply to: McVay’s intensity gets Rams’ attention as offseason work begins #67320
znModeratorCoach Sean McVay sets a new foundation with Rams this week
GREG BEACHAM
http://www.wpxi.com/news/coach-sean-mcvay-sets-a-new-foundation-with-rams-this-week/511261627
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. (AP) – Sean McVay had been waiting three months to get all of his players in the same room for the first time since he took over the Los Angeles Rams.
As you might expect, the youngest head coach in modern NFL history doesn’t like to wait.When McVay finally got to say his first words to his new team Monday as the Rams opened their offseason training program, he got right to work building a winner on the wreckage of the Rams’ homecoming season.
“Really right now, it’s about building relationships with these guys,” said McVay, the former Washington offensive coordinator. “It’s very early in the process. We’ve got some time right now, so we want to make sure we do a great job establishing a foundation, so that it can be conducive for that long-term success. But I think today went as well as we could have hoped.”
McVay’s early impact on the Rams includes new T-shirts with the slogan “We, Not Me” on the backs. Almost every employee in the Rams’ training complex appeared to be wearing them, but McVay cleverly said the shirts weren’t his idea: “It was OUR idea.”
When he finally stepped in front of his players, McVay had deeper thoughts than a three-word catchphrase. Linebacker Alec Ogletree described McVay’s opening address as an attempt to create “a whole different culture, just making sure we’re accountable and dependable.”
The Rams’ key players have already met McVay, but they got their first real taste of his oratorical and motivational skills at their team meeting. The 31-year-old coaching prodigy appears to be making a good early impression on the Rams, who are very open to change after last season’s collapse from a 3-1 start to a 4-12 finish.
“He is a young guy,” said Todd Gurley, the Rams’ 22-year-old running back. “But he’s got that energy about him, that swagger about him that you like in a coach, and it’s definitely great to see that.”
Gurley is among the numerous projects facing McVay as his coaching staff crafts a game plan to fix the NFL’s worst offense for the past two seasons.
Gurley rushed for 885 yards last season, but averaged a measly 3.2 yards per carry. It was a sharp decline from his rookie year, when he put up 1,106 yards and 4.8 per carry.
McVay’s Redskins split the carries among three running backs last season, but all three averaged 1 yard or more per carry than Gurley.
McVay also has work to do with quarterback Jared Goff, who went winless as a starter in his rookie season, throwing five touchdown passes and seven interceptions.
Goff has already been in private coaching during the offseason with quarterback gurus Tom House and Adam Dedeaux, and he appeared to be noticeably bulked up. After participating in Kirk Cousins’ growth into a top-shelf NFL starter, McVay is eager to get a chance to coach Goff – and the former No. 1 overall pick seems extremely eager to learn.
“I think there’s some really good, new energy here,” Goff said. “Coach McVay and the rest of his staff have done a great job exuding that energy and really letting us feel it. I think it’s really a fresh start for a lot of people. I think it’s a really good feeling. Just freshness is the best way to describe it.”
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znModeratorWith no first-round pick, Rams keeping an eye on NFL draft dominoes
Lindsay H. Jones , USA TODAY Sports
In his first five years as the general manager of the Rams, Les Snead was used to being in the center of the action during the first round of the NFL draft. Twice, his teams had two first-round picks. Last year, the Rams owned the No. 1 overall pick after swinging a blockbuster trade with the Tennessee Titans.
So now that the Rams don’t have a first-round pick this year — part of the price the team paid to move up to select quarterback Jared Goff last year — Snead finds himself wondering exactly what he and his staff are going to do, and what they’re going to wear, while the rest of the league works on April 27.
“We’ve been trying to come up with something creative to do on that Thursday night,” Snead told USA TODAY Sports. “That’s been one of the stress points for me. I’ll be walking down the hall and go, ‘Wait do we wear suits on Thursday night or not?’ I don’t know the answer to that. I do think it’s a time to be more casual, right?”
Snead figures he and his personnel staff, as well as new head coach Sean McVay and his assistants, will watch the start of the draft in the same fashion as many fans: eagerly awaiting the Cleveland Browns’ pick at No. 1, as well as seeing which teams draft quarterbacks – and how high.
“But we’ll know as each domino falls, that might be affecting our strategy in the second round,” Snead said. “I think what will be important for us is, we’ll be really, really interested once we get to about pick 25 knowing there’s seven or so picks left in the [first round], and 10 or 12 away from us picking. We’ve got 37, and that’s pretty early on Friday. The work for us will really start later Thursday night, and especially once that round’s over.”
The Rams enter the draft with eight picks, including four picks by the end of the fourth round despite continuing to pay for last year’s deal.
With the 2016 draft being remembered for that trade and the arrival of Goff, this year could be defined by the moves the Rams make to improve the offense around the young quarterback.
Offensively, the Rams have needs at wide receiver and tight end as well as along the offensive line, despite the additions of 35-year-old left tackle Andrew Whitworth and 31-year-old center John Sullivan in free agency.
“Obviously the offense and where it’s been ranked the last two, three, four years, we’ve got to fix the offense. But just because we’ve got to fix the offense, that doesn’t mean when we go to pick there is actually going to be a player there that is going to help us fix it. We’ve got to fix it, but we can’t force the issue. If we force it, we’re hurting it. You want to be disciplined there,” Snead said. “Yes, we need to fix the offense. Could that be skill players? Could that be offensive linemen? We have to take that one pick at a time, because we know that is a goal. We need to fix it immediately, we want improvement next year for sure, but we know this could be one to two, maybe three, year process.”
The Rams signed a cornerback (Kayvon Webster) and outside linebacker (Connor Barwin) in free agency, and used the franchise tender to keep cornerback Trumaine Johnson. But several holes remain on defense after losses at safety (T.J. McDonald) and defensive end (William Hayes and Eugene Sims).
“Our strength has been our defense, and let’s keep that strong, so that as we’re in the construction project over here, we’ve got a chance for team success,” Snead said. “That’s as good for all of us, including Jared.”
znModeratorhere’s the wolf comment, but ya gotta read the prior comments too get the context:
I think Wolf puts too much emphasis on the quarterback in his analysis. Playing behind a bad line drags most qbs down.
April 11, 2017 at 10:47 pm in reply to: McVay’s intensity gets Rams’ attention as offseason work begins #67303
znModeratorRams missing old faces, but optimistic about some new ones
Joe Curley
An offseason of transition on the coaching staff has meant, to a lesser extent, an offseason of transition on the roster for the Los Angeles Rams.
The team has already turned over about 20 percent of the potential 52-man roster in the first few months under Sean McVay, as the team begins to take on the mark of its new coach. Already, 11 free agents have taken the place of 11 departed contributors under previous coach Jeff Fisher. The Rams also have eight picks in the draft later this month.
Organized team activities over the next 10 weeks should clear up how the team expects to fill potential holes, like the ones opened by it waving goodbye to veterans like center Tim Barnes, strong safety T.J. McDonald and tight end Lance Kendricks.
The Rams addressed two of those spots last week by signing veteran center John Sullivan and cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman.
Sullivan, an eight-year veteran, played three games for McVay in Washington last year after missing the entire 2015 season because of a back injury.
“Being around him in Washington, you almost felt like you were talking to a coach,” McVay said. “You talk about your quarterback wanting to be an extension of the coaching staff, the center position is very similar where he’s got to have a big-picture ownership of what we’re trying to get done, what we’re trying to accomplish up front.
“And John is certainly someone that’s shown he is capable of handling that.”
MOVING PARTS
Robey-Coleman, who had two interceptions, including a pick-six in Buffalo’s 30-19 win at the Coliseum on Oct. 9, gives the Rams a pair of solid slot cornerbacks.
McVay was asked whether that means the Rams may try Lamarcus Joyner, who started last season in the slot in the Rams base nickel alignment, at safety.
“Anytime that you add depth like a Nickell does add, where he’s played a lot of football, it gives you some versatility to move a special player like Lamarcus around potentially,” McVay said. “You want to find as many ways to get him on the field as possible.
“Whether that’s him at nickel, which I think he’s one of the elite players at that spot in this league, or the safety, I think you see an instinctual player that has a great feel for the game.
“And I think our coaching staff has done a nice job targeting him as a player that we have to make sure that he’s on the grass, he’s competing.”
Another potential starter could be on the move on the offensive line. Rob Havenstein, who started 28 games over the past two season at right tackle, could move inside to right guard as the Rams attempt to move Greg Robinson to right tackle.
“I think when he was coming out, you looked at Rob as a potential guy to be able to move inside and do some of those things,” McVay said. “I think he and Greg working in coordination, in unison, will be able to help both of those guys.”
McVay mentioned a potential starting offensive line — left to right — of left tackle Andrew Whitworth, left guard Rodger Saffold, Sullivan, Havenstein and Robinson, with Jamon Brown in reserve.
“I think we’ve got some good depth up front,” McVay said. “I’m excited to see how these guys process that information and then translate it to the grass once we get the OTAs started in Phase 3.”
MOVING ON
The Rams officially waived receiver Stedman Bailey on Monday.
The 2013 third-round draft pick missed the entire 2016 season after being shot in Miami in Nov. 2015. He had 59 catches for 843 yards and four touchdowns in three seasons with the Rams.
The team also retained defensive tackle Ethan Westbrooks, defensive end Matt Longacre and defensive tackle Louis Trinca-Pasat. Westbrooks was a restricted free agent and the latter two were exclusive-rights free agents.
znModeratorPresident Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your "powder" for another (and more important) day!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 7, 2013
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10/11/16
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/obama-clinton-syria-red-line-228585
Though he now ridicules Obama’s aborted military action, at the time he urged Obama in a tweet not to follow through on his threat to bomb Syria. He did so even after many observers argued that American credibility was on the line, a view Trump now appears to endorse. But Trump also argued that Obama never should have issued his red-line ultimatum in the first place.
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