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wv wrote:

[rage video]

Hah. I liked a lot of that.
I do think a lot of people are gonna be surprised by Trump’s effectiveness, though. If they can just get past his rhetoric and the angst over already spilled milk long enough to give him a chance, that is.

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Well he’s got congress now. And the S.Ct. So the Reps will have their way. They get to do it their way now.

For better,
or worse.

We shall see.

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zn wrote:

zn wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:
can i say winter is coming?

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That’s clearly photoshopped.

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Um. Okay. Believe what you want, then. I guess.

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Ok, if Trump is that Game of Thrones winter night king guy,
who is Hillary?

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Zooey wrote:

Loot and Pollute. That is the GOP motto.

They don’t care because most of them are going to be dead when the shit hits the fan.

One of my idiot brothers spent his entire career as an attorney for oil corporations, starting with ARCO. Once, when I asked him about his son’s future on this eco-destroyed planet, he said, “That’s his problem.” And he loves his son, at least by all appearances. But, you know, he just subscribes to that “It’s all about me” philosophy.

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I visited 86-year-old wv-mom today. Rightwing-evangelical-fox-watching wv-mom. I brought here a national enquirer that had Hillary on the cover with the words “Corrupt Fascist” next to Hillary’s face.

So i asked mom, “I know you like Trump but…why?”

And of course first she said “Hillary is awful, i cant stand Hillary…blah Hillary Blah..”

Mom, i didnt ask about Hillary. Just leave Hillary out of it. You are a born again Christian — WHY do you like Donald Trump of all people?

“He gets things done. He’s a deal maker. Look at all he’s built”

Ok, well anything else to say?

“I was listening to one of Billy Graham’s sons saying that it would take a miracle to get Trump elected. A Miracle. And right then i knew we were going to see a Miracle.”

Really?

“Yes, Christians got him elected. They Fasted and prayed and the lord answered the prayers.”

Well did the lord get Obama elected?

“No-one FASTED for Obama. No-one prayed for a miracle when Obama got elected. Christians FASTED and PRAYED for Donald Trump. You know what i HATE — the media. Everytime those beautiful Trump children are on tv, the media says they all had different mothers”

Well mom, its true. Trump had three wives.

“Well the media doesn’t have to talk about it.”

I see.

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Course as you know, Pa, its not just Trump — its Trump with a Repugnant Congress and a Repugnant Supreme Court. All three are now Repugnant.

So….something positive? …hmmmmm….

The only ray of hope…hope in the dark….is that all this will galvanize the Progressives. And we have to hope there are actually ‘enough’ real live progressives to make a difference.
Thats a lot of ‘hoping’ but thats all i got.

Whats more likely is the DNC will blame everyone but themselves, and the DNC will ‘repackage’ the same ole sorry ass Democrat-Party, and we’ll get Eight years of the Donald and his ducks.

…eight years of Clinton…eight years of GW…eight years of Obama….now Trump….can the Biosphere survive much more of this human-insanity ? …and should we even root for humanity at this point? ooops, sorry…i forgot this was a silver-lining thread 🙂

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JackPMiller wrote:

I got the Jets winning 27-6

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Why? The Jets suck, dont they.

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Another Trump appointee — another Goldman Sachs hack.

link:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-treasury-idUSKBN12Y25X

Republican Donald Trump wants his campaign finance chairman, Steven Mnuchin, to be his Treasury secretary if he wins next week’s U.S. presidential election, Fox Business Network reported on Thursday, citing sources.

Mnuchin, a former partner at Goldman Sachs Group Inc who also founded and runs the hedge fund company Dune Capital Management LP, joined Trump’s campaign in May as his chief fundraiser.

Al Jazeera
link:http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/11/refuse-accept-election-results-161110093108400.html

The underbelly of the US is exposed for the whole world to see. Let the calamity of Trump do for the US at large what 9/11 failed to do, writes Dabashi [EPA]
By
Hamid Dabashi

@HamidDabashi

Hamid Dabashi is the Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University.

William Faulkner, in his Banquet Speech at the City Hall in Stockholm, on December 10, 1950, on receiving the Nobel Prize in literature said: “Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only the question: When will I be blown up?”

What in the world did he mean? “Blown up” by what? How?

If you lived through the endless night linking the fears of Tuesday evening of November 8 to the terror of the following Wednesday morning wondering how to explain Donald Trump’s victory to your children, you have a glimpse of what frightened Faulkner so many years ago so far from his homeland. But can we still ask serious, even frightening, questions, as Faulkner did, any more?

“Does America deserve to survive,” Faulkner asked in 1955 at the news of a vicious murder and mutilation of a young black boy.

Just before this nightmare descended upon us I read that a European philosopher had said that if he were an American he would have voted for Trump. “It will be a kind of big awakening,” he had said, “new political processes will be set in motion.”

Perhaps, I thought to myself, but this man for sure does not live in the United States. He does not have a child who goes to public school in New York. He has not struggled to calm the raw nerves of an eight-year-old boy who is scared all his Mexican friends will be rounded up and deported from the US.
The angry liberals
What will a Trump presidency mean for the US?

So where would we stand between the gaudy and juvenile Stalinism of what today passes as “the European left” and the delusional liberalism now publicly stunned by Trump’s victory in the US?

Liberal America is right now flabbergasted, incredulous, violent, recriminatory. It now openly fears that it might be ruled as Chile was ruled by Augusto Pinochet, Iran by the Shah and the Ayatollahs, Egypt by Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, Russia by Vladimir Putin, Turkey by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Palestine by Benjamin Netanyahu. How dare history to even think to do to liberal America what liberal America has done to the world?

Recrimination, finger-wagging, and continuing to be deaf and blind to reason and logic have resumed apace among these angry liberals.

Diehard Clinton supporters are accusing those who as a matter of principle opposed her record of corruption and warmongering of having paved the way for Trump.

Many Bernie Sanders supporters, myself included, made a strategic choice not to vote for Clinton if we live in safe states like New York, where I live, and where she won, and vote for her in swing states such as Florida or Ohio, which they did and yet she still lost.

We the first targets of Trump’s xenophobic thuggery and dangerous delusions, we the Muslims, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, women, we are here at the forefront of defying Trump’s ignominy.

Liberal America refuses to recognise its dangerously delusional blinkers. The anger and violence they wanted safely deposited in Clinton’s White House to unleash on other countries is now launched on Sanders’ and Stein’s supporters who they falsely and conveniently blame for having denied them that treacherous peace of mind.

Their beloved Barack Obama gifted the Zionist settler colony $38bn in military expenditure over the next 10 years in a lovely liberal gesture to maim and murder more Palestinians, as would have Clinton in even more generous terms, were she to be elected.

OPINION: Why I will not vote in this US presidential election

That they don’t mind. But having Trump preside over their national destiny, that they will not tolerate.

The vulgarity of such accusations, however, is a diversionary tactic, consciously or unconsciously launched to pre-empt a far deeper soul-searching now necessary to hold and heal the soul of this nation.

Sanders and his supporters had been continuously warning against this outcome for months, when Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazile, and the entire leadership of the Democratic Party came together to dismantle and sabotage his campaign, and send a deeply flawed candidate to face the monstrosity of Trump.
Bringing the US in the fold of humanity

But such recriminations, left or right, are at this point a waste of time and a distraction. Soul-searching yes, witch-hunt no.

There should be rethinking of the politics of race and gender, but not at the expense of suspending critical judgment on the global warmongering which Obama inherited from George W Bush and institutionalised chapter and verse, and which Clinton would have widely exacerbated.

There is no mystery to this result of choosing Trump over Clinton: This is almost the same population that over the past eight years twice elected an African-American to the White House.
US election: How Muslim Americans are dealing with Trump’s victory

What happened this year? In its jeremiad mourning for its favourite candidate even The New York Times had to admit what happened: “Democratic Party … attempted a Clinton restoration at a moment when the nation was impatient to escape the status quo.”

Sanders was the ready and riding answer to that historic call. But what did the Democratic establishment, The New York Times and Washington Post included, do to Sanders?

Trump is rightly seen as “a twisted caricature of every rotten reflex of the radical right”. But to fight this banality, we need to go far beyond useless recriminations and reach much deeper into the troubled heart of America itself: a racist, misogynist, ignorant, paranoid, xenophobic, white supremacist America. No liberal sugar-coating of these facts will wish them away.

OPINION: Donald Trump – The Islamophobia president

Faulkner thought “the basest of all things is to be afraid”. Then he daringly, defiantly and triumphantly declared: “I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail.”

But how is that prevailing to occur? First and foremost, by collapsing the false binary between the safe inside and the troubled outside. The US militarism has just gone through two successive phases of two terms of Bush’s neoconservative and Obama’s neoliberal imperialism. It has left the earth in shattered chards.

The US will now need its most recent immigrants more than ever to help it learn how to survive this Trumpian calamity. We have been there: at the receiving end of the US-made Donald Trumps of the world.

We the tyrannised, we the abused, the dispossessed, the forsaken, we in need of US “humanitarian interventions”, we the refugees of wars US liberal imperialism has caused around the world, we the Palestinians, the Libyans, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the Latin Americans, the Africans, we are all here: Trump’s worse nightmare and battle-tested in fighting the bullies of the world.

We the first targets of Trump’s xenophobic thuggery and dangerous delusions, we the Muslims, the Mexicans, the African-Americans, women, we are here at the forefront of defying Trump’s ignominy.

Along with millions of other Americans, we the most recent immigrants are now safely home at the dangerous delusions of an angry mob of white supremacist zombies shielding its wild fantasies behind democratic politics.

The comfort zone of liberal fantasies of peace at home and warmongering abroad is now completely erased.

The underbelly of the US is exposed for the whole world to see. Let the calamity of Trump do for the US at large what 9/11 failed to do: to bring Americans back to the fold of humanity – with fear and trembling like everyone else, with insecurity fighting the indignity of an ignorant tyrant, seeking to secure a modicum of self-respect in the bewildered belly of this warring beast.

Hamid Dabashi is Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York.

The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policies.

Glenn Greenwald on Brexit, Trump and the Democratz
link:https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/

“….Supporters of Brexit and Trump were continually maligned by the dominant media narrative (validly or otherwise) as primitive, stupid, racist, xenophobic, and irrational. In each case, journalists who spend all day chatting with one another on Twitter and congregating in exclusive social circles in national capitals — constantly re-affirming their own wisdom in an endless feedback loop — were certain of victory. Afterward, the elites whose entitlement to prevail was crushed devoted their energies to blaming everyone they could find except for themselves, while doubling down on their unbridled contempt for those who defied them, steadfastly refusing to examine what drove their insubordination.

The indisputable fact is that prevailing institutions of authority in the West, for decades, have relentlessly and with complete indifference stomped on the economic welfare and social security of hundreds of millions of people. While elite circles gorged themselves on globalism, free trade, Wall Street casino gambling, and endless wars (wars that enriched the perpetrators and sent the poorest and most marginalized to bear all their burdens), they completely ignored the victims of their gluttony, except when those victims piped up a bit too much — when they caused a ruckus — and were then scornfully condemned as troglodytes who were the deserved losers in the glorious, global game of meritocracy….” see link

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Mackeyser wrote:

I dunno, wv.

He was the one who on Morning Joe, I believe, articulated Trump’s “rust belt strategy” and said Trump could win without Florida or North Carolina (which is true, we don’t have the full count, yet)

And he was full on for Bernie and stumped for Bernie and was one of the few who dared to caution about the rust belt issues.

There were lots of people who sold out to the Clintons. I dunno that I’d count Moore among them.

I could be wrong.

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Ok…well…uh…..nevermind then.

I guess I’m still mad at him for trashing Nader and acting
like Obama was going to be a true progressive.

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Mackeyser wrote:

I don’t think that, Billy. I think X is onto something.

I live in Central Florida and the visceral hatred for the establishment is palpable. I KNEW Trump was going to win Florida WEEKS ago. It was so clear.

Last week, Trump would hold rallies and thousands would attend. Clinton held a rally north of Tampa without any of the big name surrogates…so no FLOTUS, no POTUS, no Joe Biden, no Katie Perry, etc. She drew LESS THAN 300. Are you kidding me? In the final week of one of the most contentious campaigns in our nation’s history in perhaps the most contested swing state…she couldn’t get 300 supporters to show up for a rally??? Really???

Lots of people in the rust belt and the deep south have been deeply impacted by NAFTA, CAFTA and other really horrible trade deals. I’ve talked with plenty of people, Dems, Reps and totally not political people at all who felt compelled to vote for Trump because they felt that if someone didn’t do something about these trade deals, their children would be part of a permanent underclass.

What the Dems failed to do is focus on the economy and the real issues. Hillary couldn’t because she believes in the very mechanisms that caused many of these ills and will cause further damage. And the Democratic political machine wasn’t willing to do what the RNC did and go hands off and let the people decide from day one.

Are there some racists who are Trump supporters? Yes. Have many racists used this to come out from cover and put their beliefs and behaviors on display? Yes.

Doesn’t change that the fights are the same as they were before and with the aging population, if the Republicans want to start a culture war with this aging, browning population, they really risk a severe swing to the left (which is what Susan Sarandon was talking about).

I get the alt-right concern and racist concerns and as someone with a trans child, I’m already reading stories of trans/gay hate crimes and people who are just being complete racist assholes. To say I’m concerned is an understatement. I’m IN this fight to the last cell of my body.

But it wouldn’t have been this way if the fucking Dems had actually believed in democracy in a real way. Yet another reason why my HATE for Clinton is REAL.

We have President Trump because she was too ambitious to allow for a fair fight that might have allowed for a President Sanders.

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I agree with prettymuch all of that.

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zn wrote:

Michael Moore’s “Morning After To-Do List”

http://www.good.is/articles/moore-five-point-plan

Morning After To-Do List:

1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.

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I’d like to kick him in the teeth right now.

Michael Moore has had has nose so far up the Clintons butts for so long, i cant remember the last time he said anything intelligent. And HE says THEY failed us??

Gag me.

Rant over.

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Mackeyser wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

can i say winter is coming?

or maybe it’s been here for awhile already, but a storm is a brewing i tell ya.

LOL. Hodor

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So how did it feel, guys, as you were listening to the vote counts come in,
and when Wisconsin and Michigan started turning toward Trump?

I was listnin to NPR and all i could think about was the S.Court, Federal Judges (Obama appointed over 300) and environmental regulations.

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joemad wrote:

“”””My guess is few people here will go out of their way to see it, but I think you should. Just watched it and it surprised me.

For most of this campaign, when I tuned in to see her, I found her to be rather wooden, with her shields up, mostly incapable of connecting on a human level with her audience. Too wonky, etc. Not really all that comfortable in her own skin, etc.

But this speech, which may be her last in public? She did connect. The crowd seemed to be really moved. Her tone was just right, IMO, and her words were gracious and, at least relative to her political peers, “classy.” If Clinton had been like this from the start, I think we might have had a different election result.”””

Many thought the same thing on Gore’s concession speech in 2000.

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I have a personal pet-peeve. I keep hearing over and over that Hillary Clinton is a “policy WONK”. Shes virtually ALWAYS painted as a real intellectual wonk.

I dont see her that way at all. I see her as someone cultivating that particular image, and then more subtly cultivating an image of a “policy wonk who is trying hard to be more than that”.

I dont consider her an intellectual. I consider her a privileged, ambitious, politician who has access to a gazillion think-tanks full of pollsters, number-crunchers, propagandists, media experts, fashion consultants, and campaign co-ordinators.

I think she’s more of a ‘figurehead’ than a ‘Bill Walsh type’ in other words.

Just my opinion.

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waterfield wrote:

I’ve always thought that whatever it is that has made the uneducated white males so unhappy and full of what I see as hate is a complicated set of issues -not the least of which is the darkening face of America and a rapid change in our cultural and sociological values. But because it takes work to look at what the causes and answers might be most uneducated whites look for the most simple of answers and also look to others to blame besides themselves. And of course the biggest and easiest target is the government itself. Hence the overturn and throw em all out philosophy no matter what kind of creep carries the sword.

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This is an excerpt from the election diary article i posted. what do
You think?

“……Hillary Clinton has completely rejected even the pretense of class-oriented politics, in favor of targeting discrete demographics of voters, sending coded messages through the color and cut of her pantsuits to suburban women in Philly suburbs and insurance brokers in Tallahassee. This is the politics of identity, where your working conditions are less important than where you shop and what you buy. There is no unifying message to her campaign. Instead there are thousands of messages, each individually tailored and targeted like those stalker ads on Google and Amazons. It’s politics by algorithm.

Meanwhile, Trump’s blue-collar voters are condemned by the liberal elites as neo-Nazis and Klan-like automatons. Over the last few weeks, MSDNC has devoted much attention to the imbecilic David Duke’s attempt to ride Trump’s coat-tails. Duke is polling at less than 5 percent among Republicans in his vainglorious run for the Senate in Louisiana. What about the Trump voters who reject Duke’s racist bilge? How do the Democrats explain them? They don’t even try. The American underclass, both black and white, those marginalized by globalization and a government that works only to further enrich the rich, are viewed by the Democrats’ leader as a collection of “deplorables” and “super-predators.”

The Democrats have totally surrendered to the logic of neoliberalism and the impoverished and pulverized victims of their policies must be blamed for their own pitiful condition. The poor will be fined for being poor. Where’s the long-term dividend in that cynical brand of politics?
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