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From blacks with Black Lives Matter to jews with scheming against Sanders based upon religion to hispanics derided via the Taco Bowl. The racism and thus hypocrisy of the left is alive and well entrenched as the highly placed emails at the DNC proves.

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I suppose the DNC seems like ‘the left’ if you are a Trump/Buchannon guy.

But to those of us to the left of the Dems, the DNC is not ‘the left’.
We consider the DNC part of “the right”.

Also, if there’s one thing Ive learned over the years,
there’s no THE right, or THE left, or THE Muslims, or THE christians, or THE whatevers…
There’s all kinds of factions and splits and variations of all them big labels.
For example take Chrsitians — there’s the Ku Klux Klan christians, and then there’s the Quakers, and then there’s the appalachian snake handlers, and then there’s the liberation theology marxist christians of Guatamala, and then there’s the rightwing-fundamentalist-Baptists of Alabama…and then theres….. you get the point. Same with “the left”. Same with “the Right” i suppose. Though I am not up on all the rightwing divisions…

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Well, I dunno. Maybe i think Hillary is a bit worse than you do,
and maybe I think trump is not quite as bad as you think he is.

I have no problem with people thinking bad things about Hillary.

But at the risk of it coming across wrong, my bet is the people on the left saying Trump isn’t that bad are the ones who have spent less time researching him.

If it honestly is in the end about policies, then, I genuinely believe knowing more about Trump would be a dark eye-opener.

Let;s put it this way. I would vote for either Bush over him.

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Well its quite true i havent done much reading about him,
and i dont intend to,
but still…there’s the NAFTA type deals – to me, those are huge.
And Trump is against them. So, I keep coming back to that.
It puts Trump in an odd category to me.

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wv wrote:

Feelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.

Talking-feeling-monkeys.

Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.

Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?

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The talking monkeys can begin by making the Donald list more realistically reflect the actual problems.

How about adding racist hyper-nationalist sexist lying demagogue who will appoint an anti-choice supreme court while lowering taxes on the upper brackets in an already inequality-mired economy.

For starters.

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No argument from me.

But then, the Hillary list could be longer too 🙂

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bnw wrote:

Watched it today… By far the worst of the 3 movies..

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Um…WORSE than the others? Not possible.

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Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Real simple here is the difference with Clinton you will have the right to an abortion on your way to a nuclear exchange with Russia with Trump the white guys get an assault rifle of their choice on the road to Armageddon. Other than that which buffoon is chosen really does not matter at all. Clinton is the superior criminal but is more predictable.You know she’s going to sell you out.Trump is unpredictable like giving a chimp an assault rifle.

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And yet millions and millions and millions of Americans love
either the chimp or the criminal — why is that?

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Happy Birthday W

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Problem is, a lot of times its what they are telling the truth
about that is most disturbing. Like supporting NAFTA-type, neoliberal, hawkish
policies.

The difference between a rightwing critic of Hillary and a leftwing critic
of hillary is this — The rightwinger focuses on her Lies. The leftwing focuses on her truths.

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What i’d like to know is,
if there is a Poll that has a really good record for accuracy
over the decades. Ya know.

I’d like to know what ‘that’ poll shows.

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Zooey wrote:

wv wrote:

Zooey wrote:

I take that back.

Trump is ignorant, but I retract the claim that he is proud of it. There is no evidence of that. There is evidence that he doesn’t care that he is ignorant, and that’s different. He is ignorant, and he doesn’t care enough to get informed. That is more accurate.

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Well, i have not studied Trump. Like, at all. But my own limited unstudied sense is
he truly believes in what he is doing. I thought Bush did too. And Reagan. I mean, i do think all these weasels really believe their own words for the most part on the ECONOMIC stuff.

Not on the religious stuff necessarily. I think most of em pretend to believe in the Christian god and the fairy-tale stuff, but Economics — i think they believe their own rhetoric. I think.

Agree? Disagree? Dont care? Warner? Bulger?

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No, not quite. Well, sort of.

My wife has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and I’ve read a lot about it because I have to deal with it daily.

Narcissists tend to believe whatever they are saying at any given moment. And they can say something completely contradictory later, and believe THAT, and deny that they ever said the first thing. It happens All The Time.

Trump does that. He contradicts shit he said a month ago, and believes himself passionately both times. So Trump believes everything he says, yes. But his belief is a momentary belief. A belief of the present. If that makes sense. He has no overarching set of principles. No guidelines. No actual philosophical foundation. He believes whatever he feels like believing at the moment. Trust me on this. My wife is a narcissist, and I deal with this every day of my life, for 25 years now. I recognize the symptoms.

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Well that sounds about right. But i dunno.

Luckily we have the incorruptible US Congress,
and an informed public to reign him.

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nittany ram wrote:

wv wrote:

waterfield wrote:

… In that light I suspect he is a moderate-which of course will piss of the leftists. But as I age I’ve come to realize that for me labels mean little.

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Well, myself, i find labels quite useful. I mean George Bush was a “Rightwinger”.
I think the label fits just fine. Bernie is a “new deal progressive” or a “democratic-socialist” etc. Reagan was a useful-idiot. Mike Martz was a paranoid wizard.
Lassie was a whiney sheepdog. ….see, perfectly useful labels.

Seriously, i think labels are just fine, depending on context.

I mean if labels dont matter and are meaningless then Trump is the same as Hillary, right?
We cant use words to differentiate them?

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You got that mixed up.

Lassie was a collie.

Bush was the useful idiot.

Reagan was the whiney sheepdog.

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OK, but was Lassie a DNC Centrist
or a moderate republican ?

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waterfield wrote:

… In that light I suspect he is a moderate-which of course will piss of the leftists. But as I age I’ve come to realize that for me labels mean little.

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Well, myself, i find labels quite useful. I mean George Bush was a “Rightwinger”.
I think the label fits just fine. Bernie is a “new deal progressive” or a “democratic-socialist” etc. Reagan was a useful-idiot. Mike Martz was a paranoid wizard.
Lassie was a whiney sheepdog. ….see, perfectly useful labels.

Seriously, i think labels are just fine, depending on context.

I mean if labels dont matter and are meaningless then Trump is the same as Hillary, right?
We cant use words to differentiate them?

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what do you think of Hillary’s VP choice?

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“…As recently as May, the foundation donated $2,500 to help purchase a Labrador retriever dog for the St. Charles County Police Department’s cyber crime unit…”

Why would a cyber crime unit
need a Labrador Retriever?

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zn wrote:

Ronald Schmidt

The damage done to the country by a Trump presidency has already started. His campaign exhorted Americans to racial violence, rabid misogyny, and self-pitying xenophobia; his speech last night told his supporters that they are right to have embraced those messages because their lives and their nation are in danger … and then he offered a solution. Not the solution of American ideals, or of solidarity with each other, or even of faith (which are the solutions offered by the campaign speeches throughout our history that we still remember). The solution he offered was himself, that he will be our voice, that he will “fix it.” This radical, militant, fascism has already done damage to the nation and to the lives of real people; the general campaign will make it worse. The cost of his election would be far greater. “Trump is telling his followers their racist gut instincts are right — and are the only thing that can save them. Donald Trump went to great lengths tonight to tie together ‘mass immigration, mass lawlessness,” and crime. He said this to a supporter base that often, cognitively, conflates ‘illegal immigrants’ with ‘immigrants,’ and ‘immigrants’ with ‘Latinos.’ He said this to supporters who sometimes feel they “just know” when someone else waiting in line at the employment office is ‘illegal.’ He told them they were right to feel overwhelmed and they were right to be afraid, and that if they weren’t careful they could be killed. By the same token, he told his audience of mostly white Americans — mainly living in racially segregated, low-crime suburban neighborhoods — that they should be extremely worried about being victimized by crime. The danger posed by Trump supporters going about their business armed with weaponized white fear is more Renisha McBrides and more Tamir Rices. It has a cost in nonwhite bodies and lives.” http://www.vox.com/2016/7/22/12254212/trump-rnc-speech-racist?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

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Sigh. Yes, crooked-Donald is Frankenstein. And crooked-Hillary is Dracula.

And American doesnt have to vote for either one.

But Americans dont want to “waste their votes” so
they will vote for a monster.

No-one is twisting their voting-arms.

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