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  • in reply to: game reactions thread—CAROLINA #57057
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    Yeah I’m not sure this coaching staff knows how to fix this offense. They badly misjudged this offense’s ability in the offseason. The oline can’t block, Gurley isn’t Gurley and Keenum isn’t the kind of QB that can make those around him better.

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    …who’s got the torches?…i had some matches but i think i lost’em somewhere…..I forget where the castle is, too…are we burning it or just hurling insults?

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    in reply to: game reactions thread—CAROLINA #57052
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    I didnt think they’d be able to run on Carolina, but i expected an ugly win by the Rams.

    At home, rested after a bye, relatively healthy, playing a mediocre team, in a Must Win game. And the D gets Zero turnovers, and the O only has a field goal with thirty seconds to play.

    At this point, comrads, i would not pick up Fisher’s contract. I would like to see a change next year. It wont happen, but I would like to see a change.

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    in reply to: Organized Crime and Football #56995
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    For at least the past 12 years this Rams team has been an organized crime.

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    Its a 13 year plan. Be patient.

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    in reply to: I think it all comes down to Florida #56994
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    And to me, it could have all been avoided if the GOP had picked Rubio.

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    To me it could have been avoided with a medium-sized Meteor.

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    in reply to: I think it all comes down to Florida #56949
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    Well….damn.

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    he’s still voting for clinton though it should be noted.

    this is a tough on for sure. who stinks more? clinton or trump? that’s tough.

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    Exactly.

    He cant stand her, and said some stuff about respecting Trump….but he still voted against Trump.

    Crazy election. Surreal.

    Three more days.

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    in reply to: It's Native American Heritage Month #56914
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    in reply to: Could Hillary win the election….and still LOSE? #56905
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    If Hillary got herself elected
    and then she got herself impeached,
    would her VP then be president or would
    there be an election, or what? I forget how that works.

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    The VP becomes president.

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    Well, I’d rather have Hillary’s VP than Hillary,

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    in reply to: Could Hillary win the election….and still LOSE? #56891
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    If Hillary got herself elected
    and then she got herself impeached,
    would her VP then be president or would
    there be an election, or what? I forget how that works.

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    in reply to: Hate Map #56890
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    Looks like Maine and Montana have the fewest Haters
    according to that site.

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56885
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    ..the endless list of agenda driven “news” producers that inundate news feeds with bogus stories. Seems like there are thousands of them representing libertarian, tea-party, conservative and liberal viewpoints and most of their ‘news articles’ or memes are patently and sometimes ridiculously false

    yet they are swallowed up like a Gino’s cheesesteak as the truth.

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    Yeah, so theres two issues there. Theres the problem of a torrent of ‘news’ thats not news.

    And then there’s the problem of humans not thinking critically and swallowing too many things just cause them things fit with what they want to believe.

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56880
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    I can see that, WV. That makes a lot of sense. At the same time, the one-sidedness of their critique gives me pause, and makes me less likely to believe them wholesale. In part, yeah. I’m guessing they’re expressing at least part of the truth, and telling us things that are important to know. Like you, I suspect (but don’t know) — just how much of it is true, though.

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    Sometimes i think its getting harder and harder to evaluate information, in this here
    modern world. There are so many corporations funding ‘science’ and so many secret interests
    funding ‘news’ sites etc, etc, etc.

    We all do the best we can sorting and sifting and piecing things together as best we can
    but it seems to me its getting harder and harder to figure out whats ‘true’ and whats not.

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56874
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    WV,

    I’d pay more attention to Assange if he were even-handed in his leaking. He’s clearly not.

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    Well, I agree that Pilger and Assange play hardball with Hillary and softball with Trump.

    But for ME that just means i ignore what they say (and dont say) about Trump, and i pay attention to what they say about Hillary.

    In other words i do factor in the lack of scrutiny towards Trump, but that has zero bearing on whether they are giving accurate info on Hillary. I suspect (but dont know) they ARE giving accurate info on Hillary.

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56869
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    Well, i know nothing about Assange. I’ve never read a single thing about him till today.

    He’s seems to have some interesting folks on his side:

    wiki
    “…On 25 July, following the Republican National Convention (RNC), during an interview by Amy Goodman, Assange was quoted saying,”Choosing Between Trump or Clinton is Like Picking Between Cholera or Gonorrhea… Personally, I would prefer neither.”[196][198][199]

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    “….Opinions of Assange at this time were divided. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard described his activities as “illegal,”[62] but the police said that he had broken no Australian law.[63] US Vice President Joe Biden and others called him a “terrorist.”[64][65][66][67][68] Some called for his assassination or execution.[69][70][71][72] Support came from people including the Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva,[73][74] Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa,[75] Russian President Dmitry Medvedev,[76][77] Britain’s Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn,[78] Spain’s Podemos party leader Pablo Iglesias,[79] UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay,[80] Argentina’s ambassador to the UK Alicia Castro,[81] and activists and celebrities including Tariq Ali,[82] John Perry Barlow,[83] Daniel Ellsberg,[84][85] Mary Kostakidis,[86] John Pilger,[87][88] Ai Weiwei,[89] Michael Moore,[90] Noam Chomsky,[89] Vaughan Smith,[91][92] and Oliver Stone.[93]

    The year 2010 culminated with the Sam Adams Award, which Assange accepted in October,[94] and a string of distinctions in December—the Le Monde readers’ choice award for person of the year,[95][96] the Time readers’ choice award for person of the year (he was also a runner-up in Time’s overall person of the year award),[97][98] a deal for his autobiography worth at least US$1.3 million,[99][100][101] and selection by the Italian edition of Rolling Stone as “rockstar of the year.”[102][103]

    Assange announced that he would run for the Australian Senate in March 2012 under the newly created WikiLeaks Party,[104][105] had his own talk show on Russia Today in April–July and Cypherpunks[49] was published in November. In the same year, he analysed the Kissinger cables held at the US National Archives and released them in searchable form.[106][107] On 15 September 2014, he appeared via remote video link on Kim Dotcom’s Moment of Truth town hall meeting held in Auckland.[108]

    The following February he won the Sydney Peace Foundation Gold Medal for Peace with Justice, previously awarded to only three people—Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lama, and Buddhist spiritual leader Daisaku Ikeda.[109] Two weeks later he filed for the trademark “Julian Assange” in Europe, which was to be used for “Public speaking services; news reporter services; journalism; publication of texts other than publicity texts; education services; entertainment services.”[110][111][112] For several years a member of the Australian journalists’ union and still an honorary member,[113][114][115] he was awarded the Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism in June,[116][117] and the Walkley Award for Most Outstanding Contribution to Journalism in November,[118][119] having earlier won the Amnesty International UK Media Award (New Media) in 2009.[120]…..”

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56851
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    This is worth watching whether u agree or disagree with it.
    At the 3 minute mark Assange sez its false that “17 agencies” have verified that the leaks came from russia :

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56837
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    This isn’t a “hint”. Your “fact” is BS. Please do tell how your efforts make the planet “a better place”! Wow.

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    Well, even if climate-change was a myth, dont you think cutting down on pollution
    and moving towards less-toxic energy sources would be good for the plants, animals and talking-monkeys?

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    in reply to: Susan Sarandon on politics #56831
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    Joss Whedon likes Hillary:

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    Why cant pro teams use the simple, qb-friendly Air Raid offense? Why wouldnt it work in the pros?

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56817
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    One other thing I’d add:

    Junk Science

    Whether it’s creation science, bought and paid for oil company science, a war on science and intellectualism–you name it.

    The country is misled, dumbed down, and wondering in circles with bad information.

    Not good.

    I think what you are describing here is an ignorance that is pervasive in our society amongst people who didn’t actually absorb a sufficient amount of education.

    There is a wide belief that “everyone is entitled to an opinion,” and that therefore all opinions are just more or less equal. You know, “you’ve got some facts; I’ve got some facts. We have each made up an opinion.”

    I think this is what underlies the climate change denial in this country. People who deny climate change just don’t understand how scientific knowledge grows. They don’t understand academia. To some of them, academia is a bunch of “la-di-da” fancy pants who don’t live in the “real” world. Who are somehow detached from reality, and live with their heads in a cloud of big words and a sense of superiority. They don’t understand that people study the hell out of something, and take a huge risk in publishing it, opening it up to the scrutiny of really smart people all over the planet who have studied the hell out of the same thing, and are going to critique that study, and publish their opinions on it. There is a global conversation going on amongst the experts on any given subject, all the time. Theories get posited and get reviewed and re-tested and probed and prodded by experts. And consensus develops that way. That is how it works.

    And along comes somebody who says, “Yeah, that’s not true! My opinion is as good as yours anyway.”

    So I don’t know what you do about that. It would be nice if the media would stop pretending like all opinions need to be presented with equal weight.

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    wv-mom was a scientist in her younger days. Worked an electron microscope. Did all kinds of sciency stuff for a living for thirty years or so.

    She’s now a climate-change-denier of sorts because she interprets ‘everything’ through her understanding of the rightwing-christian-fundamentalist-Bible.

    Humans. Religion.

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    in reply to: Hate Map #56816
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    I dont see any “Fisher Haters Of America” groups on there.

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    in reply to: Newsweek: Why Russia is Backing Trump #56809
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    Well when you live in a country/world rife with secret societies (ie, “intelligence agencies”) how are we supposed to evaluate Hillary’s claims that 17 agencies (who? where? how?) have concluded that the russians are hacking her emails?

    It raises a whole lot of computer issues aside from hillary, dont it. And one wonders how often Hillary’s government has been hacking other governments. Ya know.

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    in reply to: Whats wrong with the corporate media? #56804
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    “Today, the invisible government has never been more powerful and less understood. In my career as a journalist and film-maker, I have never known propaganda to insinuate our lives and as it does now and to go unchallenged.”
    John Pilger
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    “…A major study from Cardiff University in 2013 of the BBC’s news ‘coverage’ of the financial crash concluded that:
    BBC coverage was almost completely dominated by stockbrokers, investment bankers, hedge fund managers and other City voices. Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage.”
    link:http://www.sodiumhaze.org/2016/11/04/britains-real-enemy-is-the-corporate-media-not-our-judges/

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56788
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    on a small scale of 5 million or even 10 million i can see it working. but on a scale of 7 billion with all sorts of different belief systems and interests i think it breaks down.

    so i understand and agree with the idea that systems can make people better or worse, but i also think that people affect the system as well. not just a one way street.

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    Well thats why we need a relatively small meteor.
    And we need one fast.

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    in reply to: RT vid on Hillary #56787
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    I guess another way to try to trim this down:

    I see the media as rooting for a horse race. It’s great for ratings. It’s terrible for ratings to have a blow out. I’m guessing media bosses try their best to gin up conflict, drama, anger, even hatred, and they don’t want anyone to run away with this — especially not months before election day. So they’re likely going to want to knock down anyone riding high, and maybe give a leg up to the person riding low.

    Generalizing like crazy here, but I think that’s essentially the case. Throw in the natural “conservative” tilt of the media, due to the people who own it, and I really don’t see any consistent pro-Clinton bias. At times, yes. Then Trump gets his time too. Back and forth.

    Regardless, this circus disgusts me . . . and I despise the absolute lack of viable (positive) choices for Americans — this time and pretty much always and forever in our history.

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    90% of those who work in “the media” vote Democratic.
    No, they’re not biased.

    I’ve been comparing the headlines for Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN websites for awhile.
    When Fox comes out with big headlines that should produce real investigative reporting, the other networks label it as Clinton overcomes obstacles.
    I remember when the media bit hard after Nixon, with very little to go on. Their persistence paid off. Now we have HUGE amounts of evidence that Clinton was involved in felonies, and the MSM barely are touching it. If they acted like Bernstein and Woodward did in 1972 and 1973, Hillary would be done for sure.
    Complicating it is the most corrupt presidential administration we’ve seen in years. Most transparent administration ever, yep. I can see right through them.

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    Well, i read a Woodward/Bernstein book about deep throat and watergate, and they certainly did not think the ‘media went hard after Nixon’. They had a HELL of a time getting the Washington Post to print stuff, and no other newspapers were doing ‘anything’. And that situation last for quite a while. After a while though, the feeding-frenzy started. But it took a while. I have a feeling the same will happen with Hillary.

    This has been the strangest, weirdest, ugliest most dispiriting election
    of my life. Cept for the Bernie surge, which was fun, but we knew how it would turn out.

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56775
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    i have no idea why that is. yeah a lot of it might be a result of indoctrination or just ignorance. but i think also. on some level. humans are just pieces of shit.

    i mean can clinton or trump really help who they are? they just are who they are. i don’t think they’re evil. i think they’re no more evil than the “oppressed poor people”.

    they just do what they do and have no idea why they do what they do just like every other human on the planet and the result is just one big hot mess.

    perhaps i’m making no sense right now. just rambling.

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    Well, I’d say yes-and-no
    to that myself. In one sense, Yes the talking-monkeys are barely-evolved creatures with primitive drives and impulses and atavistic survival mechanisms…or to put it your way “pieces of shit”.

    But then again, there ARE countries full of humans that are doing things much better than other countries full of humans. Ya know. Policies can make humans better and policies can make humans worse. Seems to me corporate-capitalism makes humans worse, than, say whatever system they have in Finland and Norway and France, etc.

    I dunno. I’m mainly a ‘system-blamer’. Though, I also keep one eye on ‘biology/evolution’ etc. I mean it does seem purty obvious that humans are a limited, half-assed species, so far.

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    in reply to: I see it took 108 years #56771
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    Ok, this is my annual “why MLB Baseball is a Crock” post. I have no idea which teams made the playoffs this year. But if its like almost all other years, MOST of the teams that made the playoffs will be in the TOP half of the payrolls. Often in the top third.

    So someone list the playoff teams and lets see how it turned out this year.

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    2016 MLB Payrolls [Spotrac]

    1) Los Angeles Dodgers $253,639,162

    2) New York Yankees $227,854,349

    3) Boston Red Sox $199,864,178

    4) Detroit Tigers $199,525,500

    5) San Francisco Giants $171,464,943

    6) Chicago Cubs $167,444,167

    7) Los Angeles Angels $166,831,190

    8) Texas Rangers $161,246,720

    9) St. Louis Cardinals $149,186,000

    10) Baltimore Orioles $147,943,713

    11) Washington Nationals $146,686,385

    12) Seattle Mariners $144,996,858

    13) Toronto Blue Jays $140,582,027

    14) Kansas City Royals $137,606,125

    15) New York Mets $130,612,115

    16) Chicago White Sox $115,998,667

    17) Colorado Rockies $113,242,571

    18) Minnesota Twins $104,591,200

    19) Philadelphia Phillies $103,346,668

    20) San Diego Padres $100,547,000

    21) Pittsburgh Pirates $99,960,499

    22) Arizona Diamondbacks $98,657,436

    23) Cleveland Indians $98,006,899

    24) Houston Astros $96,643,000

    25) Cincinnati Reds $93,171,452

    26) Oakland Athletics $85,823,390

    27) Atlanta Braves $84,821,541

    28) Miami Marlins $70,464,500

    29) Tampa Bay Rays $64,120,323

    30) Milwaukee Brewers $62,964,319

    in reply to: Iceland's Pirate Party #56752
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    Iceland:http://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/1/meet_birgitta_jonsdottir_the_ex_wikileaks?utm_source=Democracy+Now%21&utm_campaign=6d0872d102-Daily_Digest&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fa2346a853-6d0872d102-190239997

    Meet Birgitta Jónsdóttir: The Ex-WikiLeaks Volunteer Who Has Helped the Pirate Party Reshape Iceland

    In Iceland, the anarchist Pirate Party made big gains in Sunday’s national elections, raising the prospect it will form a coalition government with other left-wing parties. The Pirates won 10 seats in Iceland’s 63-member Parliament, up from three in the last election. The Pirate Party hopes to pass the world’s first crowdsourced constitution. Its core platform calls for direct democracy, freedom of expression, civil rights, net neutrality and transparency. The Pirates saw their popularity surge in April, after Iceland’s prime minister resigned following revelations he and his wife used an offshore company to conceal millions of dollars’ worth of investments. Women also won big in this weekend’s elections, taking 30 seats in Iceland’s Parliament—more than any single party. With female candidates winning nearly half of the seats, Iceland now reportedly has the “most equal Parliament in the world.” For more, we speak with Birgitta Jónsdóttir, member of the Icelandic Parliament and co-founder of the country’s Pirate Party. She is also a poet, activist, web developer and a former WikiLeaks activist. And she is the chairperson of the International Modern Media Institution.
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    see link….

    …..AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Birgitta, your view, having just gone through your elections, of our elections in the United States of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?

    BIRGITTA JÓNSDÓTTIR: Oh, my god. We have now a new saying called being “Trumpified,” when it comes to bizarre things in the election campaign. But, of course, you know, you have somehow managed to create a system that it’s impossible for ordinary people to run. Thankfully, like, for example, the Pirate Party in Iceland only have normal people that just wants to be part of co-creating their society. I occasionally look at my Twitter stream and hashtag Trump or Clinton, and I just lose my faith in humanity because of the level of this campaign. It’s terrible that there is no possibility for a multitude of choices to, you know, be the most powerful person in the world. And, you know, certainly, if—you know, everybody that I know feel that they can’t vote for either, and, you know, the choices are really bad. And so, maybe, you know, the American people could do something historical, and, collectively, everybody that’s not happy with Trump or Clinton to vote for a third choice.

    AMY GOODMAN: I see the turnout in Iceland was nearly 80 percent: 79.2 percent. As we wrap up, what words of advice do you have to the U.S. population, where we barely get over half the population in this country voting?

    BIRGITTA JÓNSDÓTTIR: Well, first of all, simplify this process. It’s so complicated to run. And restore the rights of prisoners, for example, to vote. We actually went to the big prison in Iceland to talk to the prisoners to encourage them to vote. They have the right to vote in Iceland. If you conduct some sort of criminal behavior, which often is like smoking pot or something, then it’s outrageous that a modern democracy strips away the fundamental right to vote. But simplify the system. I think that is the demand that the U.S. people should have before the next election cycle.

    And please, have the cycle shorter. This is like killing everybody, this long campaign, not only in the United States, but elsewhere, because this is—you know, just to get news, endless news, about some personality flaws of people, instead of actually getting to know the policies that these candidates are running with, is just so strange to us. It’s like sort of a reality show.

    But I just want to say just another last thing. And that is, we’re not really an anarchist party, because anarchism, in the minds of many people, is about black blocs or whatever. We are more about citizens’ engagement, to facilitate ways for the general public to take responsibility in society and to help facilitate change and to draw from the wisdom of the masses what is needed to do in order to prioritize how we run our society.

    AMY GOODMAN: Well, Birgitta Jónsdóttir, we want to thank you for being with us. And on that issue of smoking pot, we’re going to be looking at ballot initiatives this week, but on the ballot next week. At this point, something like 5 percent of Americans can smoke pot without facing criminal charges. If ballots have their way in a number of states, it will go up to 25 percent of the U.S. population will be able to use pot without facing criminal charges. Birgitta Jónsdóttir, thank you so much for being with us, member of the Icelandic Parliament, co-founder of the country’s Pirate Party, also poet, activist, web developer, former WikiLeaks activist. Birgitta Jónsdóttir is the chairperson of the International Modern Media Institution.

    This is Democracy Now! When we come back, thousands of Moroccans took to the streets this weekend. We’ll find out why. Stay with us.

    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56743
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    honestly i don’t think people care. even if you were able to somehow shed more light on it or there was more media coverage on these issues.

    i don’t think people care all that much about disparity in wealth, empire building, clandestine organizations. that’s the sense i get.

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    Well what do you think Americans ‘do’ care about?

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    in reply to: GMOs not leading to larger yields ? #56733
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    Well the FDA is supposed to protect the public health and safety, no? The FDA could demand to see proof positive over a long period of time for adverse effects to public health, no? I deserve FULL CREDIT Professor Poopy Pants.

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    I’m AGREEING with you on the half you got right. Yes, the government could demand to protect the citizens etc and so forth. Yes. They dont, but they should. (glad you agree we need big government btw 🙂 )

    But the private sector could ALSO care more about people instead of profit. THEY could also
    be more responsible. (in europe they are that way). I mean why do you hold the governments feet to the fire, but you let the corpse off the hook?

    This is my problem with people of the Right. Quick to see the flaws in Government. But they let the private sector off the hook.

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    in reply to: Important Issues We SHOULD Be Discussing… #56732
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    Well said, Zooey. The CIA/NSA situation is one that i think about and talk about here at home all the time. I dunno why, i just do. I have a habit of asking people “What do you think the most powerful organization in the World is?”
    And they say the Mafia or this or that, or they might say the CIA. But i usually prompt them and say, “what about the CIA/NSA ?” — and then they think a minute and say “Yeah, they probly are no.1 or at least pretty near no.1”

    So then I go: Well, so we agree the CIA is one of if not the most powerful organization in the whole wide world, yes? And they go “yes”

    And then i say, well did you ever study it in grades school? High school? College? History class? Anywhere in any class at any time?

    “No, never ever heard it even mentioned”

    “So you are saying you got an american education and never ever at any time even touched on THE most powerful organization in the whole wide world?

    “Right”

    So….um….do you ever THINK about THAT?

    “um…no.”

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