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wvParticipantA billionaire won the election for Governor of WV yesterday.
Another ‘man of the people’.
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wvParticipantI don’t think that, Billy. I think X is onto something.
I live in Central Florida and the visceral hatred for the establishment is palpable. I KNEW Trump was going to win Florida WEEKS ago. It was so clear.
Last week, Trump would hold rallies and thousands would attend. Clinton held a rally north of Tampa without any of the big name surrogates…so no FLOTUS, no POTUS, no Joe Biden, no Katie Perry, etc. She drew LESS THAN 300. Are you kidding me? In the final week of one of the most contentious campaigns in our nation’s history in perhaps the most contested swing state…she couldn’t get 300 supporters to show up for a rally??? Really???
Lots of people in the rust belt and the deep south have been deeply impacted by NAFTA, CAFTA and other really horrible trade deals. I’ve talked with plenty of people, Dems, Reps and totally not political people at all who felt compelled to vote for Trump because they felt that if someone didn’t do something about these trade deals, their children would be part of a permanent underclass.
What the Dems failed to do is focus on the economy and the real issues. Hillary couldn’t because she believes in the very mechanisms that caused many of these ills and will cause further damage. And the Democratic political machine wasn’t willing to do what the RNC did and go hands off and let the people decide from day one.
Are there some racists who are Trump supporters? Yes. Have many racists used this to come out from cover and put their beliefs and behaviors on display? Yes.
Doesn’t change that the fights are the same as they were before and with the aging population, if the Republicans want to start a culture war with this aging, browning population, they really risk a severe swing to the left (which is what Susan Sarandon was talking about).
I get the alt-right concern and racist concerns and as someone with a trans child, I’m already reading stories of trans/gay hate crimes and people who are just being complete racist assholes. To say I’m concerned is an understatement. I’m IN this fight to the last cell of my body.
But it wouldn’t have been this way if the fucking Dems had actually believed in democracy in a real way. Yet another reason why my HATE for Clinton is REAL.
We have President Trump because she was too ambitious to allow for a fair fight that might have allowed for a President Sanders.
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I agree with prettymuch all of that.
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wvParticipantYup. Good points Mack.
I got a feelin I aint gonna be able to get health insurance
once Trump gets going. I was able to get it for the first time
under Obama. Course it didnt actually ‘cover’ anything. Still.
Ah well.w
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wvParticipantMichael Moore’s “Morning After To-Do List”
http://www.good.is/articles/moore-five-point-plan
Morning After To-Do List:
1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.
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I’d like to kick him in the teeth right now.Michael Moore has had has nose so far up the Clintons butts for so long, i cant remember the last time he said anything intelligent. And HE says THEY failed us??
Gag me.
Rant over.
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wvParticipantHa. Yeah, some of us around here have been hoping for years
that Texas would secede from the Union and become the Nation Of Texas.
And take their electoral votes with them.w
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wvParticipantcan i say winter is coming?
or maybe it’s been here for awhile already, but a storm is a brewing i tell ya.
LOL. Hodor
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So how did it feel, guys, as you were listening to the vote counts come in,
and when Wisconsin and Michigan started turning toward Trump?I was listnin to NPR and all i could think about was the S.Court, Federal Judges (Obama appointed over 300) and environmental regulations.
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wvParticipantI think both candidates had acceptance and concession speeches already prepared before the election was called. She was probably too emotional early this morning to do anything but make the phone call to trump.
Could be. I just really didn’t buy it while I was hearing it.
But then again, maybe I’m just too biased.I did watch her speech and noticed that Bill didn’t look as if he was hit by a post election fling of an ash tray and Huma was Weinerless.
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I say he wasn’t born in the United States.
He was probly born in Floorida or somewhere foreign like that.
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wvParticipant“”””My guess is few people here will go out of their way to see it, but I think you should. Just watched it and it surprised me.
For most of this campaign, when I tuned in to see her, I found her to be rather wooden, with her shields up, mostly incapable of connecting on a human level with her audience. Too wonky, etc. Not really all that comfortable in her own skin, etc.
But this speech, which may be her last in public? She did connect. The crowd seemed to be really moved. Her tone was just right, IMO, and her words were gracious and, at least relative to her political peers, “classy.” If Clinton had been like this from the start, I think we might have had a different election result.”””
Many thought the same thing on Gore’s concession speech in 2000.
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I have a personal pet-peeve. I keep hearing over and over that Hillary Clinton is a “policy WONK”. Shes virtually ALWAYS painted as a real intellectual wonk.I dont see her that way at all. I see her as someone cultivating that particular image, and then more subtly cultivating an image of a “policy wonk who is trying hard to be more than that”.
I dont consider her an intellectual. I consider her a privileged, ambitious, politician who has access to a gazillion think-tanks full of pollsters, number-crunchers, propagandists, media experts, fashion consultants, and campaign co-ordinators.
I think she’s more of a ‘figurehead’ than a ‘Bill Walsh type’ in other words.
Just my opinion.
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wvParticipantI don’t mind if its politics by algorithm as long as its used by a candidate I think is better suited than the other guys. Campaign machinery and demographic targeting has always been part of a general election. But I’m in no mood to begin any type of argument over this election. Been doing that for a couple of years and I’m tired. I will say that I agree with parts and don’t agree with other stuff in the article. I do think we need to revisit the electoral college issue given the reason for it being part of our Constitution simply no longer exist. Would I feel that way if my chosen candidate lost the popular vote and won the electoral “college” vote? Probably not.
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The pollsters are usually right. They were almost all wrong this time. Why do u think that is?Do you think Bernie would have won?
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wvParticipantIdiot Joy Showland:
How You Lost The World:https://samkriss.com/2016/11/09/how-you-lost-the-world/“….Clinton strategists actively and deliberately abetted Trump at every stage of his rise through the Republican primaries, dignifying his candidacy with every statement of disapproval, because they thought that he was the enemy she had the best chance of beating. Clinton spent the final weeks of her campaign against a parody toddler obsessing over weird conspiracy theories, painting her opponent as a secret Russian agent. Clinton decided, as a vast country fumed bitterly for something different, anything, that she would actively court the approval of a few hundred policy wonks. Clinton all but outrightly told vast swathes of the American working classes that they were irrelevant, that she didn’t need them and they would be left behind by history, and then expected them to vote for her anyway. Clinton was playing at politics; it was a big and important game, but it could be fun too; it was entertainment, it was a play of personalities. Her campaign tried to reproduce the broad 500-channel swathe of TV: an intrigue-riddled prestige drama and a music video and the 24-hour news; they forgot that trashy reality shows always get the highest ratings.
Donald Trump is a fascist. We shouldn’t be afraid of the word: it’s simple and accurate, and his fascism is hardly unique; it’s just a suppurating outgrowth of the fascism that was already there. Still, this time it’s different. The fascisms of Europe in the 1920s and 30s, or east Asia in the 50s and 60s, or Latin America in the 70s and 80s were all the response of a capitalist order to the terrifying potency of an organised working class. Fascism is what capitalism does when it’s under threat, something always latent but extending in claws when it’s time to fight; it imitates mass movements while never really having the support of the masses. (In Germany, for instance, support for the Nazis was highest among the industrial haute bourgeoisie, and declined through every social stratum; look at Trump’s share of the voter per income band and see the same pattern. The workers didn’t vote for Trump, they just didn’t vote for Clinton either.) But today the organised working class is nowhere to be found. There’s no coherent left-wing movement actively endangering capitalism; the crisis facing the liberal-capitalist order is entirely internal. It’s grinding against its own contradictions, circling the globe to turn back against itself, smashing through its biological and ecological limits and finding nothing on the other side. This is the death spasm, a truly nihilist fascism, the fascism of a global system prickling for enemies to destroy but charging only against itself. There’s no silence in the final and total victory, just an endless war with only one side. It’s not entirely the case, as the slogan puts it, that the only thing capable of defeating the radical right is a radical left. The radical right will defeat itself, sooner or later, even if it’s at the cost of a few tens of millions of lives. We need a radical left so there can be any kind of fight at all.
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wvParticipantYeah, so far, Hillary has gotten the most actual Votes:
“…As of early Wednesday morning, Clinton had 58,909,774 total votes compared to Trump’s 58,864,233, according to CBS News and CNN. The tallies will continue to change but Clinton holds a 47.6 percent lead compared to Trump’s 47.5 percent.
Unlike the last two presidential elections, which saw current commander-in-chief Barack Obama win both the electoral college and the popular vote over Republicans John McCain and Mitt Romney, there is a chance Trump could be the first to take the country’s highest political office without the popular vote since George W. Bush’s victory over Democrat Al Gore in 2000…”
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wvParticipantI’ve always thought that whatever it is that has made the uneducated white males so unhappy and full of what I see as hate is a complicated set of issues -not the least of which is the darkening face of America and a rapid change in our cultural and sociological values. But because it takes work to look at what the causes and answers might be most uneducated whites look for the most simple of answers and also look to others to blame besides themselves. And of course the biggest and easiest target is the government itself. Hence the overturn and throw em all out philosophy no matter what kind of creep carries the sword.
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This is an excerpt from the election diary article i posted. what do
You think?“……Hillary Clinton has completely rejected even the pretense of class-oriented politics, in favor of targeting discrete demographics of voters, sending coded messages through the color and cut of her pantsuits to suburban women in Philly suburbs and insurance brokers in Tallahassee. This is the politics of identity, where your working conditions are less important than where you shop and what you buy. There is no unifying message to her campaign. Instead there are thousands of messages, each individually tailored and targeted like those stalker ads on Google and Amazons. It’s politics by algorithm.
Meanwhile, Trump’s blue-collar voters are condemned by the liberal elites as neo-Nazis and Klan-like automatons. Over the last few weeks, MSDNC has devoted much attention to the imbecilic David Duke’s attempt to ride Trump’s coat-tails. Duke is polling at less than 5 percent among Republicans in his vainglorious run for the Senate in Louisiana. What about the Trump voters who reject Duke’s racist bilge? How do the Democrats explain them? They don’t even try. The American underclass, both black and white, those marginalized by globalization and a government that works only to further enrich the rich, are viewed by the Democrats’ leader as a collection of “deplorables” and “super-predators.”
The Democrats have totally surrendered to the logic of neoliberalism and the impoverished and pulverized victims of their policies must be blamed for their own pitiful condition. The poor will be fined for being poor. Where’s the long-term dividend in that cynical brand of politics?
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wvParticipantWell you were right about him winning, bnw. Gotta hand it to ya. You were right.
I dont agree on all the other stuff as you know. You already know what i think of Trump (and Clinton) so I see no point in repeating the same view for the one thousandth time.
We’ll see what happens. He’s got the power now.
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Link:http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN1341K4By Noah Barkin | BERLIN
Back in May, when Donald’s Trump’s victory in the U.S. presidential election seemed the remotest of possibilities, a senior European official took to Twitter before a G7 summit in Tokyo to warn of a “horror scenario”.
Imagine, mused the official, if instead of Barack Obama, Francois Hollande, David Cameron and Matteo Renzi, next year’s meeting of the club of rich nations included Trump, Marine Le Pen, Boris Johnson and Beppe Grillo.
A month after Martin Selmayr, the head of European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker’s cabinet made the comment, Britain shocked the world by voting to leave the European Union. Cameron stepped down as prime minister and Johnson – the former London mayor who helped swing Britons behind Brexit – became foreign minister.
Now, with Trump’s triumph over his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, the populist tsunami that seemed outlandish a few months ago is becoming reality, and the consequences for Europe’s own political landscape are potentially huge.
In 2017, voters in the Netherlands, France and Germany – and possibly in Italy and Britain too – will vote in elections that could be coloured by the triumphs of Trump and Brexit, and the toxic politics that drove those campaigns.
The lessons will not be lost on continental Europe’s populist parties, who hailed Trump’s victory on Wednesday as a body blow for the political mainstream.
“Politics will never be the same,” said Geert Wilders of the far-right Dutch Freedom Party. “What happened in America can happen in Europe and the Netherlands as well.”
French National Front founder Jean-Marie Le Pen was similarly ebullient. “Today the United States, tomorrow France,” Le Pen, the father of the party’s leader Marine Le Pen, tweeted.
Daniela Schwarzer, director of research at the German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP), said Trump’s bare-fisted tactics against his opponents and the media provided a model for populist European parties that have exercised comparative restraint on a continent that still remembers World War Two.
“The broken taboos, the extent of political conflict, the aggression that we’ve seen from Trump, this can widen the scope of what becomes thinkable in our own political culture,” Schwarzer said.
HUGE INFLUENCE
Early next month, Austrians will vote in a presidential election that could see Norbert Hofer of the Freedom Party become the first far-right head of state to be freely elected in western Europe since 1945.
On the same day, a constitutional reform referendum on which Prime Minister Renzi has staked his future could upset the political order in Italy, pushing Grillo’s left-wing 5-Star movement closer to the reins of power.
“An epoch has gone up in flames,” Grillo said. “The real demagogues are the press, intellectuals, who are anchored to a world that no longer exists.”
Right-wing nationalists are already running governments in Poland and Hungary. In western Europe, the likelihood of a Trump figure taking power seems remote for now.
In Europe’s parliamentary democracies, traditional parties from the right and left have set aside historical rivalries, banding together to keep out the populists.
But the lesson from the Brexit vote is that parties do not have to be in government to shape the political debate, said Tina Fordham, chief global political analyst at Citi. She cited the anti-EU UK Independence Party which has just one seat in the Westminster parliament.
“UKIP did poorly in the last election but had a huge amount influence over the political dynamic in Britain,” Fordham said. “The combination of the Brexit campaign and Trump have absolutely changed the way campaigns are run.”
UKIP leader Nigel Farage hailed Trump’s victory on Wednesday as a “supersized Brexit”.
As new political movements emerge, traditional parties will find it increasingly difficult to form coalitions and hold them together.
In Spain, incumbent Mariano Rajoy was returned to power last week but only after two inconclusive elections in which voters fled his conservatives and their traditional rival on the left, the Socialists, for two new parties, Podemos and Ciudadanos.
After 10 months of political limbo, Rajoy finds himself atop a minority government that is expected to struggle to pass laws, implement reforms and plug holes in Spain’s public finances.
The virus of political fragility could spread next year from Spain to the Netherlands, where Wilders’s Freedom Party is neck-and-neck in opinion polls with Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s liberals.
For Rutte to stay in power after the election in March, he may be forced to consider novel, less-stable coalition options with an array of smaller parties, including the Greens.
WATERSHED MOMENT
In France, which has a presidential system, the chances of Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front, emerging victorious are seen as slim.
The odds-on favourite to win the presidential election next spring is Alain Juppe, a 71-year-old centrist with extensive experience in government who has tapped into a yearning for responsible leadership after a decade of disappointment from Francois Hollande and Nicolas Sarkozy.
But in a sign of Le Pen’s strength, polls show she will win more support than any other politician in the first round of the election. Even if she loses the second round run-off, as polls suggest, her performance is likely to be seen as a watershed moment for continental Europe’s far-right.
It could give her a powerful platform from which to fight the reforms that Juppe and his conservative rivals for the presidency are promising.
In Germany, where voters go to the polls next autumn, far-right parties have struggled to gain a foothold in the post-war era because of the dark history of the Nazis, but that too is changing.
Just three years old, the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD), has become a force at the national level, unsettling Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives, who have been punished in a series of regional votes because of her welcoming policy towards refugees.
Merkel could announce as early as next month that she plans to run for a fourth term, and if she does run, current polls suggest she would win.
But she would do so as a diminished figure in a country that is perhaps more divided than at any time in the post-war era. Even Merkel’s conservative sister party, the Bavarian Christian Social Union, has refused to endorse her.
(Additional reporting by Crispian Balmer in Rome, Anthony Deutsch in Amsterdam; editing by David Stamp)
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wvParticipantBut it woulda been a dark day either way.
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Yep.
It would have been depressing to watch the Clintons gloat, and round up all the usual bankers to continue their incorporation of the planet, but…John Bolton. Good lord.
It is hard to think of this as anything less than apocalyptic. This is the end. Our “way of life” is now over. We are headed towards feudalism.
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…unless….the Left wakes up, organizes, gains power, and elects
a true progressive four years from now.Granted a lot of damage will have taken place. I get that. Believe me. Dark dark day.
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wvParticipantBut it woulda been a dark day either way.
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Well i know your view on that. I was expecting you to respond to that line of mine, with exactly what you did 🙂
You may be right.
But it may be more complicated than that. Depends on what the RESPONSE is to the Trump nightmare. So for me, only time will tell.
Having said that, yes, its a nightmare. The federal judge appointments and the S.Ct appointments ALONE will cause untold suffering. A climate-change-denier in office. An environmental-terrorist in office. Yes, dark day.
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wvParticipantI am very interested in what happens to the DNC. I mean, zooey is right about us being ‘Dead’ — ….unless…..real…actual…awakening and change take place in the Dem Party.
I dont expect real change. The powers-that-be are very good at deflecting blame, etc.
But it bears watching. Will the Dems wake up?
Carry on, people. Dark day. But it woulda been a dark day either way.
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wvParticipantWell, the Election from Hell is over.
Now we wait. And see.
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http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htmWhen you love America, you protect it with no apologies. (Dec 2011)
Tax cuts for the wealthy, who will create tremendous jobs. (Sep 2016)
ObamaCare will never work; repeal it and replace it. (Oct 2016)
• EPA is killing energy companies; 1,000 years of clean coal. (Oct 2016)
• Focus on disease & clean water, not “climate change”. (Oct 2016)
• America invested in solar panels and it was a disaster. (Sep 2016)
• Green energy is just an expensive feel-good for tree-huggers. (Nov 2015)
• We have 2 trillion barrels of oil; enough for 283 years. (Nov 2015)
• Offered to oversee response to 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill. (Sep 2015)
• Wind energy projects are industrial monstrosities. (Sep 2015)
• Windmills are destroying shorelines all over the world. (Aug 2015)
• Solar hasn’t caught on because it has a 32-year payback. (Aug 2015)
• Maybe some climate change is manmade, but not all. (Jun 2015)
• Climate change is a hoax. (Jun 2015)
• No Cap-and-Tax: oil is this country’s lifeblood. (Dec 2011)
• Jobs will slump until our lifeblood–oil–is cheap again. (Dec 2011)
• Enough natural gas in Marcellus Shale for 110 year supply. (Dec 2011)
• It’s incredible how slowly we’re drilling for oil. (Mar 2011)
• We need nuclear energy, and we need a lot of it fast. (Mar 2011)
• Oil is the lifeblood of all economies. (Apr 2010)
• Green buildings take 40 years to get investment back. (Sep 2008)
• Regulations by unelected officials reward special interests. (Oct 2016)
• Eminent domain is something you need very strongly. (Feb 2016)
• Cut the EPA; what they do is a disgrace. (Oct 2015)
Overturn Roe v, Wade and return abortion laws to the states. (Oct 2016)
• Hold judges accountable; don’t reduce sentences. (Jul 2000)
• For tough anti-crime policies; not criminals’ rights.
wvParticipantI heard on NPR that Trump is considering John Bolton for secretary of state or some big cabinet post. John…Bolton.
Ignorant times, ahead, people. Anti-science times. Climate change denial. Evangelical-wacko Federal Judge appointments. Lower taxes for the rich, higher for the poor. Environmental regulations gutted. More pollution. More fracking. More coal. More mountaintop removal. More toxic waste.
So what are the silver-linings? Clinton era finally over. Thank-god.
MAYBE the DNC corrupt party hacks lose some power. MAYBE the Dems look in the mirror, move to the left, and start grooming Eliz Warren or someone for the next election.
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wvParticipantWell yeah, most of those games are ‘winnable’ but the last four were ‘winnable’.
Ya know.I just dont see it turning around now. I think if they could have gotten the running game goin they would have by now. I think its too late.
I think its the end of the world
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vNovember 7, 2016 at 5:02 pm in reply to: Full video, not cherry-picked, of Obama and Jane the Virgin star. #57154
wvParticipantI’m guessing there are several books with that title. Are you talking about the classic by C. L. R James? That’s definitely on my list. Recently bought Frantz Fanon’s The Wretched of the Earth (with an intro by Sartre), which is often listed along with James’ work as seminal, leftist, must-read books.
Gotta get back to my reading. A New Year’s resolution, perhaps. It brings me a great deal of satisfaction, and this current political stuff does the opposite. It’s not healthy for me to take time away from great art, etc. etc.
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vNovember 7, 2016 at 10:01 am in reply to: Full video, not cherry-picked, of Obama and Jane the Virgin star. #57118
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It may sounds weird, but that makes me feel better. Knowing you also have struggles with this stuff.
Most of the time when I read your posts, I’m amazed at their “grounded” aspect. Off the top of my head, it’s like you’re a comedic Yoda and you’ve internalized that old saying our wiser high-school buddies would always write in our yearbooks.
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Anyway, it’s going to be a tremendous relief when this lunacy is over with. Gotta get back to my writing and step up reading as well. Currently reading Alice Kaplan’s Looking for The Stranger. It’s kinda like a biography of a novel. On a bit of a Camus kick at the moment.
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OMG, Billy you have no idea how hard it is for me to even read the titles of rightwing articles or even hear the NAME Bill O’Reilly, etc, etc.I mean this is serious stuff right. Its not football. Its real life policy stuff that affects who lives and who dies and who gets to live longer and who gets gets dehumanized, etc. Serious stuff. So, yeah, it all grabs me in the Gut and twists me.
So, i can either go nutz and become Mr Hateful Angry Leftist, or i can… find another path.
I try and figure out very quickly when its pointless to go any further and when its not.
And i try to find my happy-place and stay there for as long as i can 🙂
I’m reading the “Black Jacobins” btw. Fine book. About the only slave revolution that was successful. The slaves rose up and took over Haiti and fought off the Brits, French and Spanish.
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wvParticipantI dunno. Lets see…they are 3 and 5……i guess i see three more wins. Fisher was right. No more 7-9 bullshit.
at jets Win
miami Loss
at saints Win
at pats Loss
atlanta Loss
at seattle Loss
SF Win
Arizona LossI dont like this team.
Have i mentioned that. I dont like it.
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vNovember 7, 2016 at 8:58 am in reply to: Full video, not cherry-picked, of Obama and Jane the Virgin star. #57108
wvParticipantHere, on this site, I fear I’ve fallen back into some bad old habits, and I need to take my own advice:
Be a leftist who doesn’t waste any time with endless wingnut bullshit. Gotta stop posting about that aspect of politics, and the end of this crazed election will make that a hell of a lot easier for me.
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I actually have intense negative Italian hot-headed emotions about all the rightwing tactics and stuff, like the Fox crap and Rush Limbaugh/O’Reilly/Hannity/etc crappolla-fest.My own approach, which has changed over the years, is to use such interactions and experiences as…oh…’tests’ of my ability to stay..’centered’ for lack of a better word.
I mean I HAVE all the same emotions you do, but i ‘try’ to find a way to stay tranquil in the midst of rightwing-fuck-the-poor crap.Call it ‘political meditation’ 🙂 I dunno. It just doesn’t seem healthy for ‘me’ to get all crazed by things i cant change. Ya know. It is VERY difficult for me. You have no idea. I have to let a LOT of things go, or else i would be frantic trying to correct all kinds of people about all kinds of things. It just doesnt work. So mainly, i just let a lot of things go, and try to find some common humanity when i can.
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“Everything that lives is Holy.” William Blake
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wvParticipantI don’t think Keenum is getting killed though. He gets sacked but I don’t think he’s under constant pressures like Bulger was. I don’t think Goff will get hit a lot unless he holds the ball too long – which rookies sometimes do, but Goff taking too many hits isn’t a big worry for me.
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Keenum is not getting kilt, but i bet a rookie would be getting gilt
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wvParticipantVincent Bonsignore @DailyNewsVinny 7m7 minutes ago
#Rams Fisher in changing QB’s “I don’t think Case’s play today was indicative of raising the question”Joe Curley @vcsjoecurley 13m13 minutes ago
Fisher supported Keenum in postgame presser. Said loss wasn’t on him. Said he didn’t hear chants for Goff. @CVRamsClub #CARvsLAFisher has developed a blind spot with Keenum.
At this point it shouldn’t matter if the loss doesn’t solely fall on him.
He may not be the reason they’re losing, but he’s not helping them win either.
Start another QB. I would prefer that it be Goff because he is the future – I mean, obviously they didn’t see Mannion as the future or they wouldn’t have traded away next year’s draft for Goff, right?
But start another QB. Mannion, Goff, somebody.
And this isn’t a knock on Keenum. I like him as a back-up QB and would like to have him back next season. But he isn’t the right QB for an offense that has to rely solely on the QB to move the ball.
Goff has those kinda skills. Let’s see what he can do. And nobody is expecting Goff to shine. Personally I expect he’ll be really inconsistent. He’ll likely look really bad at times but we’ll also see flashes of what he can/will be. The playoffs are gone so I don’t see a downside to the kid playing now.
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Well we are ALL kinda screwed right now. Keenum isnt good enough to win without a running game. Goff is not good enough to win without a running game and he might get kilt out there with so many third and longs.
And Fisher obviously cant fix the running game this year or he woulda done so by now.
Ram fans are in for some dull, ugly football this year. Year five.
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“Estragon: What about hanging ourselves?
Vladimir: Hmm. It’d give us an erection.”
― Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
wvParticipantSo, why couldnt they beat a mediocre team at home, after a bye, in a must-win game ?
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