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wvParticipantJoss Whedon likes Hillary:
November 4, 2016 at 3:02 pm in reply to: at long last, finally, there are now articles on when Goff should start #56818wvParticipantWhy cant pro teams use the simple, qb-friendly Air Raid offense? Why wouldnt it work in the pros?
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vwvParticipantOne other thing I’d add:
Junk Science
Whether it’s creation science, bought and paid for oil company science, a war on science and intellectualism–you name it.
The country is misled, dumbed down, and wondering in circles with bad information.
Not good.
I think what you are describing here is an ignorance that is pervasive in our society amongst people who didn’t actually absorb a sufficient amount of education.
There is a wide belief that “everyone is entitled to an opinion,” and that therefore all opinions are just more or less equal. You know, “you’ve got some facts; I’ve got some facts. We have each made up an opinion.”
I think this is what underlies the climate change denial in this country. People who deny climate change just don’t understand how scientific knowledge grows. They don’t understand academia. To some of them, academia is a bunch of “la-di-da” fancy pants who don’t live in the “real” world. Who are somehow detached from reality, and live with their heads in a cloud of big words and a sense of superiority. They don’t understand that people study the hell out of something, and take a huge risk in publishing it, opening it up to the scrutiny of really smart people all over the planet who have studied the hell out of the same thing, and are going to critique that study, and publish their opinions on it. There is a global conversation going on amongst the experts on any given subject, all the time. Theories get posited and get reviewed and re-tested and probed and prodded by experts. And consensus develops that way. That is how it works.
And along comes somebody who says, “Yeah, that’s not true! My opinion is as good as yours anyway.”
So I don’t know what you do about that. It would be nice if the media would stop pretending like all opinions need to be presented with equal weight.
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wv-mom was a scientist in her younger days. Worked an electron microscope. Did all kinds of sciency stuff for a living for thirty years or so.
She’s now a climate-change-denier of sorts because she interprets ‘everything’ through her understanding of the rightwing-christian-fundamentalist-Bible.
Humans. Religion.
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vwvParticipantI dont see any “Fisher Haters Of America” groups on there.
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vwvParticipantWell when you live in a country/world rife with secret societies (ie, “intelligence agencies”) how are we supposed to evaluate Hillary’s claims that 17 agencies (who? where? how?) have concluded that the russians are hacking her emails?
It raises a whole lot of computer issues aside from hillary, dont it. And one wonders how often Hillary’s government has been hacking other governments. Ya know.
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vwvParticipant“Today, the invisible government has never been more powerful and less understood. In my career as a journalist and film-maker, I have never known propaganda to insinuate our lives and as it does now and to go unchallenged.”
John Pilger
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BBC coverage was almost completely dominated by stockbrokers, investment bankers, hedge fund managers and other City voices. Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage.”
link:http://www.sodiumhaze.org/2016/11/04/britains-real-enemy-is-the-corporate-media-not-our-judges/-
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wvParticipanton a small scale of 5 million or even 10 million i can see it working. but on a scale of 7 billion with all sorts of different belief systems and interests i think it breaks down.
so i understand and agree with the idea that systems can make people better or worse, but i also think that people affect the system as well. not just a one way street.
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Well thats why we need a relatively small meteor.
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vwvParticipantI guess another way to try to trim this down:
I see the media as rooting for a horse race. It’s great for ratings. It’s terrible for ratings to have a blow out. I’m guessing media bosses try their best to gin up conflict, drama, anger, even hatred, and they don’t want anyone to run away with this — especially not months before election day. So they’re likely going to want to knock down anyone riding high, and maybe give a leg up to the person riding low.
Generalizing like crazy here, but I think that’s essentially the case. Throw in the natural “conservative” tilt of the media, due to the people who own it, and I really don’t see any consistent pro-Clinton bias. At times, yes. Then Trump gets his time too. Back and forth.
Regardless, this circus disgusts me . . . and I despise the absolute lack of viable (positive) choices for Americans — this time and pretty much always and forever in our history.
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90% of those who work in “the media” vote Democratic.
No, they’re not biased.I’ve been comparing the headlines for Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN websites for awhile.
When Fox comes out with big headlines that should produce real investigative reporting, the other networks label it as Clinton overcomes obstacles.
I remember when the media bit hard after Nixon, with very little to go on. Their persistence paid off. Now we have HUGE amounts of evidence that Clinton was involved in felonies, and the MSM barely are touching it. If they acted like Bernstein and Woodward did in 1972 and 1973, Hillary would be done for sure.
Complicating it is the most corrupt presidential administration we’ve seen in years. Most transparent administration ever, yep. I can see right through them.—————
Well, i read a Woodward/Bernstein book about deep throat and watergate, and they certainly did not think the ‘media went hard after Nixon’. They had a HELL of a time getting the Washington Post to print stuff, and no other newspapers were doing ‘anything’. And that situation last for quite a while. After a while though, the feeding-frenzy started. But it took a while. I have a feeling the same will happen with Hillary.This has been the strangest, weirdest, ugliest most dispiriting election
of my life. Cept for the Bernie surge, which was fun, but we knew how it would turn out.w
vwvParticipanti have no idea why that is. yeah a lot of it might be a result of indoctrination or just ignorance. but i think also. on some level. humans are just pieces of shit.
i mean can clinton or trump really help who they are? they just are who they are. i don’t think they’re evil. i think they’re no more evil than the “oppressed poor people”.
they just do what they do and have no idea why they do what they do just like every other human on the planet and the result is just one big hot mess.
perhaps i’m making no sense right now. just rambling.
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Well, I’d say yes-and-no
to that myself. In one sense, Yes the talking-monkeys are barely-evolved creatures with primitive drives and impulses and atavistic survival mechanisms…or to put it your way “pieces of shit”.But then again, there ARE countries full of humans that are doing things much better than other countries full of humans. Ya know. Policies can make humans better and policies can make humans worse. Seems to me corporate-capitalism makes humans worse, than, say whatever system they have in Finland and Norway and France, etc.
I dunno. I’m mainly a ‘system-blamer’. Though, I also keep one eye on ‘biology/evolution’ etc. I mean it does seem purty obvious that humans are a limited, half-assed species, so far.
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vwvParticipantOk, this is my annual “why MLB Baseball is a Crock” post. I have no idea which teams made the playoffs this year. But if its like almost all other years, MOST of the teams that made the playoffs will be in the TOP half of the payrolls. Often in the top third.
So someone list the playoff teams and lets see how it turned out this year.
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2016 MLB Payrolls [Spotrac]1) Los Angeles Dodgers $253,639,162
2) New York Yankees $227,854,349
3) Boston Red Sox $199,864,178
4) Detroit Tigers $199,525,500
5) San Francisco Giants $171,464,943
6) Chicago Cubs $167,444,167
7) Los Angeles Angels $166,831,190
8) Texas Rangers $161,246,720
9) St. Louis Cardinals $149,186,000
10) Baltimore Orioles $147,943,713
11) Washington Nationals $146,686,385
12) Seattle Mariners $144,996,858
13) Toronto Blue Jays $140,582,027
14) Kansas City Royals $137,606,125
15) New York Mets $130,612,115
16) Chicago White Sox $115,998,667
17) Colorado Rockies $113,242,571
18) Minnesota Twins $104,591,200
19) Philadelphia Phillies $103,346,668
20) San Diego Padres $100,547,000
21) Pittsburgh Pirates $99,960,499
22) Arizona Diamondbacks $98,657,436
23) Cleveland Indians $98,006,899
24) Houston Astros $96,643,000
25) Cincinnati Reds $93,171,452
26) Oakland Athletics $85,823,390
27) Atlanta Braves $84,821,541
28) Miami Marlins $70,464,500
29) Tampa Bay Rays $64,120,323
30) Milwaukee Brewers $62,964,319
wvParticipantMeet Birgitta Jónsdóttir: The Ex-WikiLeaks Volunteer Who Has Helped the Pirate Party Reshape Iceland
In Iceland, the anarchist Pirate Party made big gains in Sunday’s national elections, raising the prospect it will form a coalition government with other left-wing parties. The Pirates won 10 seats in Iceland’s 63-member Parliament, up from three in the last election. The Pirate Party hopes to pass the world’s first crowdsourced constitution. Its core platform calls for direct democracy, freedom of expression, civil rights, net neutrality and transparency. The Pirates saw their popularity surge in April, after Iceland’s prime minister resigned following revelations he and his wife used an offshore company to conceal millions of dollars’ worth of investments. Women also won big in this weekend’s elections, taking 30 seats in Iceland’s Parliament—more than any single party. With female candidates winning nearly half of the seats, Iceland now reportedly has the “most equal Parliament in the world.” For more, we speak with Birgitta Jónsdóttir, member of the Icelandic Parliament and co-founder of the country’s Pirate Party. She is also a poet, activist, web developer and a former WikiLeaks activist. And she is the chairperson of the International Modern Media Institution.
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see link….…..AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Birgitta, your view, having just gone through your elections, of our elections in the United States of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?
BIRGITTA JÓNSDÓTTIR: Oh, my god. We have now a new saying called being “Trumpified,” when it comes to bizarre things in the election campaign. But, of course, you know, you have somehow managed to create a system that it’s impossible for ordinary people to run. Thankfully, like, for example, the Pirate Party in Iceland only have normal people that just wants to be part of co-creating their society. I occasionally look at my Twitter stream and hashtag Trump or Clinton, and I just lose my faith in humanity because of the level of this campaign. It’s terrible that there is no possibility for a multitude of choices to, you know, be the most powerful person in the world. And, you know, certainly, if—you know, everybody that I know feel that they can’t vote for either, and, you know, the choices are really bad. And so, maybe, you know, the American people could do something historical, and, collectively, everybody that’s not happy with Trump or Clinton to vote for a third choice.
AMY GOODMAN: I see the turnout in Iceland was nearly 80 percent: 79.2 percent. As we wrap up, what words of advice do you have to the U.S. population, where we barely get over half the population in this country voting?
BIRGITTA JÓNSDÓTTIR: Well, first of all, simplify this process. It’s so complicated to run. And restore the rights of prisoners, for example, to vote. We actually went to the big prison in Iceland to talk to the prisoners to encourage them to vote. They have the right to vote in Iceland. If you conduct some sort of criminal behavior, which often is like smoking pot or something, then it’s outrageous that a modern democracy strips away the fundamental right to vote. But simplify the system. I think that is the demand that the U.S. people should have before the next election cycle.
And please, have the cycle shorter. This is like killing everybody, this long campaign, not only in the United States, but elsewhere, because this is—you know, just to get news, endless news, about some personality flaws of people, instead of actually getting to know the policies that these candidates are running with, is just so strange to us. It’s like sort of a reality show.
But I just want to say just another last thing. And that is, we’re not really an anarchist party, because anarchism, in the minds of many people, is about black blocs or whatever. We are more about citizens’ engagement, to facilitate ways for the general public to take responsibility in society and to help facilitate change and to draw from the wisdom of the masses what is needed to do in order to prioritize how we run our society.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, Birgitta Jónsdóttir, we want to thank you for being with us. And on that issue of smoking pot, we’re going to be looking at ballot initiatives this week, but on the ballot next week. At this point, something like 5 percent of Americans can smoke pot without facing criminal charges. If ballots have their way in a number of states, it will go up to 25 percent of the U.S. population will be able to use pot without facing criminal charges. Birgitta Jónsdóttir, thank you so much for being with us, member of the Icelandic Parliament, co-founder of the country’s Pirate Party, also poet, activist, web developer, former WikiLeaks activist. Birgitta Jónsdóttir is the chairperson of the International Modern Media Institution.
This is Democracy Now! When we come back, thousands of Moroccans took to the streets this weekend. We’ll find out why. Stay with us.
wvParticipanthonestly i don’t think people care. even if you were able to somehow shed more light on it or there was more media coverage on these issues.
i don’t think people care all that much about disparity in wealth, empire building, clandestine organizations. that’s the sense i get.
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vwvParticipantWell the FDA is supposed to protect the public health and safety, no? The FDA could demand to see proof positive over a long period of time for adverse effects to public health, no? I deserve FULL CREDIT Professor Poopy Pants.
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I’m AGREEING with you on the half you got right. Yes, the government could demand to protect the citizens etc and so forth. Yes. They dont, but they should. (glad you agree we need big government btw 🙂 )But the private sector could ALSO care more about people instead of profit. THEY could also
be more responsible. (in europe they are that way). I mean why do you hold the governments feet to the fire, but you let the corpse off the hook?This is my problem with people of the Right. Quick to see the flaws in Government. But they let the private sector off the hook.
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vwvParticipantWell said, Zooey. The CIA/NSA situation is one that i think about and talk about here at home all the time. I dunno why, i just do. I have a habit of asking people “What do you think the most powerful organization in the World is?”
And they say the Mafia or this or that, or they might say the CIA. But i usually prompt them and say, “what about the CIA/NSA ?” — and then they think a minute and say “Yeah, they probly are no.1 or at least pretty near no.1”So then I go: Well, so we agree the CIA is one of if not the most powerful organization in the whole wide world, yes? And they go “yes”
And then i say, well did you ever study it in grades school? High school? College? History class? Anywhere in any class at any time?
“No, never ever heard it even mentioned”
“So you are saying you got an american education and never ever at any time even touched on THE most powerful organization in the whole wide world?
“Right”
So….um….do you ever THINK about THAT?
“um…no.”
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vwvParticipantGMOs are done solely for profit. The profit comes from the patent for the identified gene used to “modify” the seed. I don’t believe the long term consequences of GMOs on human health or the environment are fully known but the FDA has always considered us consumers to be unpaid lab rats.
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Ok but notice what you did there — you blamed the FDA (government) and left out the blame
of the private sector (Corporations).So, i give you half credit for that answer 🙂
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vwvParticipantMy take is different. The host came out and said the election was rigged by the media in favor of Clinton. To me, that’s absurd and has no connection with reality. It also tells us a lot about the biases of the show itself.
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first time we’ve disagreed in a while 🙂
I think the MSM is completely totally utterly cheerleading for Hillary. To me its just jaw-droppingly blatent. And as you know i loathe Hillary and Trump so I’m not yer usual complainer about the ‘liberal media blah blah’.
From NPR the networks to the comedians — everyone i see/hear on the MSM is cheerleading for Hillary.
So, i agree with the host of that show, though I’m not sure i’d use the word ‘rigged’. I might, i might not, i dunno.
Course Trump has rightwing talk-radio, and Fox, i guess, so its not like the Righties dont have their megaphone.
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vwvParticipantThis is a cut above anything u will see in the mainstream corporate American media.
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vwvParticipantYeah, that rings true to me, too.
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Yeah and if you read posts by people that like trump, they REALLY
WANT him to be a ‘brick through the window’. They want/need it so bad,
that they are convinced that a Billionaire-lying-weasel is a ‘good thing’.
They WANT to believe in him SO much. Cause they HATE the system so MUCH.Thats how bad ‘the situation’ is.
Course if he were to win, a LOT of the trumpies would go through what many of
the true-Obama-believers have gone through — disillusionment.w
vwvParticipantWell, he must be good to get himself hired so many times.
And he must be bad to get himself fired so many times.w
vwvParticipantHow many teams has Norv broken up with now?
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vwvParticipantI didnt read it all, but i read about half of it. Very interesting.
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vwvParticipantHa. That was purty awesome. Reminded me of “Deer Hunting with Jesus” by Joe Bageant.
Lottsa truth in that article.
No ‘answers’ offered though.
Trump is indeed a ‘brick through the fucking window’. I think ‘X’ and bnw would go along with that description. As well as us ole leftists
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vwvParticipantI didnt realize or remember that the Humphrey vs Nixon vote was so close. I guess it was very very close.
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vwvParticipantDespicable.
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Yup. Totally.But so is Trump and the Repugnants. Sigh.
Jill Stein is my pick, dude. Yall can waste yer votes on the corrupt twosome all
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vwvParticipantwho knows if it’s even true, but multiple female comics have come forward.
his male comic friends have protected him. female comics are supposedly afraid to speak up for fear of repercussions.
if multiple sources are talking about this, i don’t know… and he isn’t exactly denying it either.
http://defamer.gawker.com/louis-c-k-will-call-you-up-to-talk-about-his-alleged-s-1687820755
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Sigh.OK, nobody ever tell me if George Carlin did bad shit. Lets all make a pact — Nobody say anything to WV RAM if the internet finds out George Carlin was a creep.
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vwvParticipanti’ve gotten really down on louis ck ever since i found out he quite possibly could have sexually assaulted multiple women and coerced them into watching him masturbate.
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Damn. I havent heard anything about that.First Cosby, now this?
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vwvParticipantWell, in a perfect world, the debates would have been between Bernie, Jill Stein, Rand Paul, and Mike Pence. Gary Johnson just doesn’t do it for me, so I uninvited him.
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I would add Lassie, myself.
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vwvParticipantBilly loathes Hillary, X. Just so you know. Not sure you know that.
I didn’t.
I was just giving my opinion based on the only two realistic choices.
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Yeah, I think we ALLLL prettymuch loathe Hillary on this board,
cept Waterfield.Waterfield’s role is to like Hillary 🙂
Most of us are old lefties. Lefties not Democrats. Bernie types. Jill Stein types. That sort of thing.
Course some folks here are gonna vote for Hillary as a less-evil thing cause they dont like Trump. But that aint the same as believing in Hillary.
Years ago, in another galaxy, on another board, the regulars here had long drawn-out, abstruse, convoluted, discussions on just what the difference is between traditional democrat-liberals…and what most of us were. …we settled on the label “leftists” btw, to distinguish ourselves from DNC Democrats or mainstream-democrat-liberals, etc.
To us ‘leftist’ does NOT mean Democrat or Hillary lover or Obama lover etc. We iz Waaaay different than that.
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vwvParticipantTrump lied to investigators for years and years. And he shredded court-ordered documents back before we had email, and then thousands of emails when that tech hit. If this is important to you when it comes to Clinton, it should be the same when it comes to Trump:
Is he currently under investigation and in danger of being impeached or indicted after he’s elected? I know he’s a dirty player. I know they ALL are. That’s the difference between you and me. I’m not trying to find a Saint in this wasteland of scumbags. I’m trying pick the WAY lesser of two evils and trying to elect the candidate who will be the equivalent of a Molotov Cocktail in Washington. I want change. I want disruption. I represent a vast majority of people who are sick and tired of the status quo, and who are sick and tired of dirty politics, and who are sick and tired of being bullshitted right to our faces about how we get to keep our doctor, and keep our plan, and how everything’s gonna be allllllllllllllright. I’d also like to throw a big middle finger up to the liberal media who has CLEARLY demonstrated a bias during this whole campaign.
To quote George Carlin, “I root for the tornado.”
Brace yourself. It’s either gonna destroy everything, or clear a path to a better future.
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Billy loathes Hillary, X. Just so you know. Not sure you know that.w
vwvParticipantWait a minute. Did you not READ the terms of this board? It clearly states that bnw is the authorized, official Trump supporter.
Thats his role. You think you can just come in here and stomp all over someone’s
authorized official ROLE?I might have to sue.
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vI’m a reluctant Trump supporter (and just voted for him 10 minutes ago). I also don’t really identify with any particular party, though I am right-leaning. Kinda just try to find my way through the labyrinth of bullshit both parties lead us down to find the hidden kernels of truth. Something that resonates with me, ya know? I like Trump’s ‘big picture’, and I think he’ll hire the right people. I kind of identify with him, even though we’re nothing alike. I don’t have the best words (lol), nor did I go to Wharton to receive the bestest education, but I applied myself and relied on my ability to hire the right people in order to meet and exceed my own goals; which subsequently led to me being able to sell a successful business and semi-retire to the mountains of Western North Carolina.
Vote for a liar who’s currently under FBI investigation? lol. Yeah, no thanks.
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OK, well I shall dub you the Board Libertarian.
We dont have one of those.
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