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wvParticipantWe’ve talked about this stuff before when contemplating mankind’s future. Some thought that a utopian ‘Star Trekian’ future where all the peoples of the world are united by their humanity under one benevolent government was likely. Others thought that mankind would likely be extinct along with most of the planet’s other megafauna within 200 years.
I’m in the latter camp.
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Well we need something to Unite humans in a common cause. Ya know.
Like an attack by a Giant Scorpion. Or maybe the threat of a cataclysmic environmental or climate catastrophe.Surely, humans would unite around such threats. Surely.
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wvParticipantLeftists infatuation with killing knows no bounds.
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wvParticipantPretty good.
But then they had to go and ruin it with partisan sloganizing:
t is only the left, essentially the Marxist-Leninist left, that grasps the unique intersection of race and class arising at this moment.
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Well i dont need to tell you how difficult it is to get leftists to behave and work together inclusively.w
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wvParticipantWell for me, I try to put myself in their shoes. Would I enter a country illegally so that I could feed my family…
….I’m not going to deny them the chance to get just a little taste of what I have and enjoy. And what I have is largely due to me being born on the right side of that same arbitrary border.=================
Yeah, that is what i always think about. And it leads me into a foggy mess
that i cant find my way out of.I mean I dont ‘identify’ as “an American” (even though i recognize i have been influenced and imprinted by this place and time, etc)
I identify as an ‘earthling’. A being-of-the-Biosphere. 🙂
I dont like all this ‘my border vs your border’ tribal bullshit. It reminds me of Religions and Race and all the other primitive ways human-systems have created “us versus them” constructs. Systems create “the others” and then dehumanize them, blah blah blah.
I hate it.
But then that view of mine does not lead me to any simple answers to the question of “should everyone just be allowed to move to the USA or North Korea or anywhere they want on the Planet, and how would that work…etc…?
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”I am not an Athenian or a Greek, I am a citizen of the world. ~Socrates“I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world. ~Eugene V. Debs
“Can anything be stupider than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarrelled with him? ~Blaise Pascal, quoted by Tolstoy in Bethink Yourselves
Patriots always talk of dying for their country, and never of killing for their country. B.Russell
A nation is a society united by a delusion about its ancestry and by common hatred of its neighbours. ~William R. Inge
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. ~Albert Einstein, The World As I See It, 1934To him in whom love dwells, the whole world is but one family. ~Buddha
It is not easy to see how the more extreme forms of nationalism can long survive when men have seen the Earth in its true perspective as a single small globe against the stars. ~Arthur C. Clarke
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November 23, 2016 at 12:54 pm in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59318
wvParticipantOf course not. I’m just tired of the constant pigeon-holing of middle Americans as less thans because they don’t have any higher education on their CV’s. Why make a point of it? What difference does it make? ……irresponsibility? Would it bother you if every article you read suggested as much?
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Well first off let me say, YOU are one of my alltime favorite internet posters. Seriously. I thought that even when things were ugly back in the old
days of fury and flame.Second, i dunno why you seem to “identify” with “trump voters”. Trump voters takes in a HUGE tapestry of different kinds of voters.
When a writer concludes after looking at the numbers that non-formally-educated folks swung more for Trump than Hillary…it just is what it is.I mean, lets say, someone started studying Bernie/Jill voters. And they found that a big faction of privileged white potheads voted for Bernie/Jill. Or lets say they really delved DEEP into racism and found that White Bernie/Jill voters didnt display the ‘overt’ racism of the Klan, but they DID hold all kinds of closet racist ideas, such as ‘blacks are more violent’ and ‘they wouldnt want their daughters marrying black folks’ etc, and so forth. Well, I would not get all defensive about that. I’d just say…”damn, aint that inter-estin”.
This is a messed-up planet. There’s gonna be gazillions of messed-up, wounded, voters voting for both Dems and Reps. But dammit it just so happens the faction of OVERT-in-your-face-Racist/Nationalists tend to vote for Trump rather than Hillary. The numbers just lead me to say that.
It would no surprise me in the LEAST if more white, ‘formally educated’ ‘closet racists’ voted for The Hillary.
Moreover, on a different tangent, some of us here, dont link “critical thinking skills” with “formal education”. I sure dont. Chomsky has a whole schtick on how “formal education” is mainly an ‘indoctrination system’ that weeds out
the people who ask too many ornery questions. Etc.We are just trying to figure out some things about the election. Looks like a lot of overt-racists went for Trump. Looks like a lot of dipshit “fuck the poor” neoliberal white-collar assholes went for Hillary.
Aint Amerika grand.
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 12:40 pm in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59316
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The people most definitely voted FOR Trump. Need to work on some self reflection and take another look at that election map..
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Actually ‘the people’ voted for The-Hillary. She won by about 1.5 million votes.
The Electoral-College voted for The Donald.Its all pretty complicated. Even the voting-system itself. The one that comes in second is The President.
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wvParticipantI’ve given up trying to figure this team out. I think it is poetic justice in a way that the only game they were never in was against the god awful 9ers.
Maybe this is a new beginning and from here on out they’ll just get blown out of games early and often…
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Well lets face it, they are due for a truly horrible game.We know they will beat the Patriots, so they may save the
truly horrible game for Arizona.w
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wvParticipantIt’s just not fun to watch anymore
This is a test.
I selected “Its just not fun to watch anymore” and THEN
i hit the Quote button.And voila.
I feel all empowered now.
Btw, its just not fucking fun anymore. Its ugly.
And i dont believe in Mermaids.w
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wvParticipant“LT Greg Robinson was accountable for five of those hurries, on his way to a 47.3 pass-protection grade; Robinson has now allowed 21 QB hurries on the year, which ties his total from a season ago.”
Geez.
If they moved him inside could they find a better LT next year?
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wvParticipantI dont think Fisher or the Rams are a match for Cersei. She’s Elite,
and she’s motivated.But i do expect Gurley to have his first 100 yard game.
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:45 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59291
wvParticipantAnd yet they sent the same Republican congress back…and then some.
People talk change..
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:42 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59290
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They still don’t get it. To vote republican and for Trump to them IS racism. They won’t listen to those white voters who fear their jobs will be sent out of this country————-
Well I’ll say it again.What i notice is that
Dems dont like to admit that Jobs/Trade-Policy/Class
were a part of this.Reps dont like to admit that racism/education
were a part of this.Its a big country. Lots of factions. Lots of layers. Not all of them layers are pretty.
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:38 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59288
wvParticipantIt might have more to do with the fact that these people tend to be less educated and white
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No need to read any further.
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Well, ok, but the numbers are pretty clear. Race and education were factors.
I dont know why you cant relax and admit that. It doesn’t mean every or even ‘most’ Trump voters uneducated or racists.
I mean I know plenty of black folks who can admit that a ton of black voters voted for Obama “only because he was black”.
America is a crazy-zany mixed-up place. Ya know.
I mean do you think only enlightened, wise, holy, social-justice crusaders voted for Trump? How many of them types ARE there in this here nation…
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:32 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59285
wvParticipant“….it’s Trump’s white identity politics, and not his economic message, that most clearly distinguished him from previous Republicans like Romney. Studies from the GOP primary, and pre-election polls, found high racial resentment was a far better predictor of a voter’s likelihood of supporting Trump than any economic variable….
Regardless, it suggests that the push among some liberals, like Bernie Sanders, to respond to this election with a “populist” economic message may not be the right approach. If the swing toward Trump among whites really was about racial and cultural anxieties — as some good research suggests — then they will have misdiagnosed the problem.
The issue wouldn’t be that Democrats “forgot” white workers; it’s that Trump promised them the kind of white identity politics they’ve been yearning for.”
——Well, i dont have any doubt that “its complicated.” Many factors converged among several factions of Dem and Rep voters, of all classes, sexes and races.
But its pretty obvious that Race and Education were huge factors among some factions and Class was a factor in some factions. And all three mixed together in hard-to-untangle ways.
I’ve noticed that Trumpies dont like to admit that Race and Education were factors.
I’ve also noticed Dems dont like to admit class and neoliberalism trade-policies were factors.…At any rate is this writer suggesting Bernie should try a more racist approach instead of a populist approach? Or is the writer suggesting Bernie should try a neoliberal approach?
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wvParticipantlink:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38456-the-cabinet-from-hell-trumpism-meets-neoliberalism
The Cabinet From Hell: Trumpism Meets Neoliberalism
Tuesday, 22 November 2016 00:00 By Michael Corcoran,…see link…”You already broke your promise,” said Sen. Elizabeth Warren in a tweet to Trump. “You stacked your transition team with Wall Street elites, insiders [and] lobbyists.” This was not long after Bloomberg reported Trump was considering former Goldman Sachs executive Steven Mnuchin as treasury secretary….
…Maher fears that we may be witnessing an ugly merger between two dangerous ideologies: Trump’s racial nationalism and the GOP’s brand of neoliberalism.
We cannot allow things to simply ‘go back to normal. It is important to maintain a sense of the very real dangers this poses to the basic foundations of American political democracy.“The foundations of neoliberalism have included, for instance, right to individual self-expression, multiculturalism, free press, etc. — all things Trump has expressed strong antagonism toward,” Maher said. But as the Republican leadership warms to Trump, “the capitalist class may be moving closer to accepting a far-right ‘solution’ to the social crisis of neoliberalism, accommodating an ideology previously regarded as unacceptable.”
Under such a scenario, the best case may be neoliberalism with “an alarmingly authoritarian and chauvinistichue.” Should Trumpism start to dominate the centers of power in the GOP, Maher fears, neoliberalism may shift in a seismic way, “moving closer to something we might identify as neo-fascism.”
Speculation is a key word here; Trumpism itself is still largely undefined. But the more Republican power brokers (and industrial elites) embrace it, the more dangerous it becomes…
wvParticipantBut I just think there’s something wrong – some kind of disconnect – between the operations side and the coaching side. I dunno. I can’t even put my finger on it the problem. Other than to say, there’s a problem.
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Well I’m tired of this mainstream offense.
Maybe they need an Alt Offense, with an Alt Offensive co-ordinator. (‘Alt-ernator’ ?)Somebody needs to make the Rams Great again.
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wvParticipant… Trump took the supposed strength of the MSM and turned it against them and they’re too stupid to realize he’s been doing it against them since election day too. He will take his message directly to the people as president and the MSM will still be incapable of stopping him.
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Well stepping aside from his policies which you know I loathe,
I suspect, and its only a gut-intuition thing…but i suspect his arrogance/cockyness/narcissism/ego is what is going to be his undoing. I suspect his own weaknesses will bring him down. So, i agree, it wont be the MSM.Who knows though. All I can do is watch from my front porch.
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wvParticipantHe was a 7-9-Bullshit-player.
So why did they cut him?
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wvParticipantFish has got to send a message…
stupid penalties are unacceptable.
There needs to be blood in the locker room…..
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I think that is bloody fine poem.
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wvParticipantAgain, even if all of that can be discredited somehow with statements, stats, drive charts, trends, reasons, excuses, etc., it doesn’t matter. This season will mark the 5th year in a row that Fisher’s team couldn’t break through that .500 glass ceiling. It wears on me. I’m worn. So, I’ll reiterate. “I just don’t like Fisher”. Anymore.
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The losses have been bad this year. These are not elite teams they are losing to.I think this is Fisher’s worst year as a ram-head-coach.
This is Fisher’s OLine. And they, apparently, are Healthy.
I guess we’ll see how Fisher does in Year SIX. Ah well.
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wvParticipantI Still though, it was very, very obvious that the MSM was in the bag for Killary…. and lots of polls substantiated that claim.
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Well i agree with the part i quoted there ^.Yeah, i think the nonrightwing MSM was in the bag for The Hillary. It was obvious to me. I’d never seen anything quite like it before. I was used to a more ‘subtle’ pro-dem bias, but the pro-Hillary/anti-Trump bias on NPR, the NYTimes and the other places i read/watched were way beyond ‘subtle’.
Just my opinion.
I cant sum up why she lost though. It was a lot of things, and I dont think i know all the reasons. I know one reason was her pro-goldman-sachs/pro-Corporation/pro-war/fuck-the-poor-policies.
I wish that was the only reason, but I’m sure there were other reasons.w
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wvParticipantYou know what term I can’t stand?
Alt-right. It sounds like something you do to a keyboard to delete something.
I’ll just call them nazis.
Alt-right feels like it’s trying to legitimize a white power movement.
I’m not saying all Trump supporters support the nazis, by the way. I get there are other reasons people voted for Trump. But this sickening “movement” is about nazis. Anyway, when I read the alt-right term I keep seeing nazi or kkk or some other such thing.
The mainstream press won’t change that for me.
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Well, ok.I haven’t really decided what it is yet. Seems to be, like most political ‘movements’, more than one thing. It seems to be a collection of things.
I know you would not fit into the alt-right movement, Pa-ram. Neither would I.
Leftists, we are 🙂w
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wvParticipantlast half of that last one….
…..Inside the hall, speaker after barnstorming speaker takes the stage to make the absolutely unarguable point that Hillary Clinton, whatever her faults, is a better presidential prospect than Donald Trump. In a signal that organizers are aware of divisive their candidate is, every half-time advert played on the big screen is about how scary Trump is, rather than how great Hillary is. As someone who recently watched their country fall apart over the failure of lesser-evilism as political strategy, it’s chilling to watch.
Particularly since there’s more at stake here than the presidency itself. The saccharine pageantry and drawn-out hype of the endless American presidential race is designed, to paraphrase the late, great Douglas Adams, not just to decide who wields power, but to distract attention away from it. Whoever is crowned King of the Free World at the end of this will have far less actual power to push through change than, for example, the new British Prime Minister, who was anointed two weeks ago after a campaign that lasted not more than 90 minutes. I come at this both as a foreigner and as a person who believes that democracy neither begins not ends at the ballot box, a person who believes that any vote cast by an ordinary member of the public in a General Election is a vote for the least worst option. My lack of faith in the party system protects me from heartache of the sort sloshing madly around the convention floor in Philadelphia tonight.
The heartache, however, hangs in the air too thick to dismiss, and it’d be great if those calling for instant unity could show some respect and give the people five minutes to grieve.
Outside the bear pit, the ground is hot enough that if you were to drop all your hopes for a fair deal for workers on the asphalt they would fry in seconds. A huge promo poster declares that 8 out of 10 “politically affiliated” millennials are Facbook users. I realise I am no longer politically affiliated. I did have opinions, once, long ago, in happier days somewhere three or four security gates back, before I came to this post-political hellconvention on the surface of the sun.
Those opinions are all gone now, and I am prepared to offer my vote and also my firstborn child to anyone giving out bottles of water.
At the Rally For Bernie, I was given a glass of seltzer by a very nice lady in a floppy hat, who told me that she didn’t believe a word the press wrote about Hilary Clinton. I explained that I was from the press. She took pity on me anyway.
Inside Media Tent City, by contrast, there are a great many free pens and stickers and several thousand complimentary copies of the New York Times, but nothing to eat or drink. At least in Cleveland there was coffee. Welcome to the desert of liberalism. That’ll be $4.50 for water.
Back in the hall, the Bernie or Bust contingent will not shut up. It’s hard to hear the actual scale of the dissent on the floor from the video feeds, which may not be accidental. Take it from me, though, that every speaker is having a very hard time. Bernie’s people yell over Elijah Cummings as he tries to talk about abortion rights. They yell over Cory Booker. They holler over a young black military widow who is on stage to talk about how Trump University scammed her out of her life savings, and she looked as if she were about to burst into tears. They even boo Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama! A woman who has eaten progressive goodwill for breakfast every day for eight years!
The comedian Sarah Silverman, who was and remains a proud Sanders fan, tells the Bernie Or Bust bros screaming at her from the stands that they are “being ridiculous.” Then she tries to start a chant of “unity, unity!” Al Franken, standing next to her, chants “Hillary, Hillary.”
Fuck that guy. He’s not helping. The only way this could get more embarrassing is if they wheeled out Paul Simon to sing Bridge Over Troubled Water.
Which is exactly what happens next.
Now, before I say what I’m about to say, I want you to understand that I have been a fan of Paul Simon and his work since my father first played me the Greatest Hits when I was six years old.
So you need to know that I’m not being flip when I tell you that Paul Simon subjects his second-finest song to slow and savage torture up there on that stage. His voice breaks on the word “bridge”. It’s too painful to watch.
Outside, an epic summer storm is breaking over the Democratic Demilitarized Zone like the world’s laziest metaphor. The wind howls like thirteen million heartbroken progressives, and the media tent creaks and buckles as hacks from every nation scramble for their devices and start to evacuate.
I spend an hour sheltering ineffectively outside the Wells Fargo building with Susie Cagle. Next to us, an independent internet journalist wearing a giant crystal pendant and no shirt starts explaining how he’s hoping for a Trump presidency to usher in the coming collapse of civilization. Inside, party svengalis plead with the delegates to be reasonable, to consider the greater good, to vote for the lesser evil. The problem is that ordinary decent people around the world have had thirty years of lesser-evilism, and they’re sick of it. Hilary is not talking their language. Trump, lying through his lacquered teeth about bringing back union jobs, just might be.
Here we are in the desert of moderate liberalism. The storm has hit, and nobody was prepared. I make a dash across the street to pay more than the minimum wage for a cup of lukewarm coffee, which spills down my front in the howling gale, and I stand for a second in the hurricane, drenched and starving and disheartened, ready to welcome the Old Ones in their terrible glory.
I try to imagine what the protesters, quarantined a mile away behind a mile of staged checkpoints, scaling fences to be arrested one by one, must feel about this. Then I remember that they’re a bunch of hippy idiots with big stupid notions about fairness and democracy who don’t realise that they’re not allowed to have feelings about any of it. They should know by now that they owe their votes, their conscience, and all their personal data to the Democratic party and its donors. Anything less is purity politics and not to be stood for.
Dissent will not be tolerated. Protest will not be permitted. You will shut the hell up and get on the Clinton bus as it rolls towards a future slightly less terrifying than Trump nation and you will goddamn smile about it.
The Democratic Party, like the British Labour Party, has decided in advance what is politically possible- but they may have made a terrible mistake. In the face of the collapse of the centre-left consensus, the right is terrifying in its grudging unity, and the left is terrifying in its disarray. Consider that after some initial brouhaha, the Republicans cheered on cue as their party was taken over by a giant evil baby. This is because the right runs on fear and is generally good at being told what to do. Meanwhile, Democrats who didn’t get the candidate they wanted were all but throwing punches on the convention floor. When you actually care about the world not sliding into fascism, compromise doesn’t hurt any less. It hurts more.
There’s a bad moon rising, the best lack all conviction and the worst have a million branded baseball caps and greasy little fingers grasping for the nuclear button. Good luck to us all.
wvParticipantAnd one more, just cuz i like her writing style. Reminds me of Hunter Thompson, or Taibbi a bit.
Laurie Penny:https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/bad-moon-rising-8cd348df50e9#.aro5amg2vsee link….high noon on the first day of the Democratic National Convention and the block is, in every sense of the word, hot. It’s almost a hundred degrees in the shade. It’s the kind of weather where dogs run mad and bite their owners, and otherwise-sensible liberals do the same.
The fix, you see, was in from the start.
On the eve of the event, paranoid outlaw crypto-justice trolls Wikileaks released thousands of hacked emails that told the world what most of us already suspected: that parts of the Democratic National Committee were scheming against Bernie Sanders from the get-go. The air gap between suspicion and confirmation slammed shut around any hope for a peaceful convention, as thousands of protesters did their damnedest to make their displeasure felt outside the Democrats’ ring of steel.
It was, in short, a really bad day for the party machine to pick Unity as a theme for their giant corporate shindig.
Several thousand people have shown up for this march, and there’s almost no press. Bear in mind that at the equivalent stage of the Republican convention last week, the protests consisted of one man with two guns. A man with two guns who was unable to make his already-incoherent point about second amendment rights because he was surrounded by dozens of reporters, descending like carrion crows on anything that stank of controversy.
The left does not generally hand out merit badges for good effort but we really ought to start, specifically with the few thousand brave souls who turned out to make their feelings known to the DNC today. The action stoners have turned out with a fifty-one foot replica spliff and some signs saying Yes Weed Can to demand the decriminalization of marijuana, and I am even more impressed, because I’m sober and I can hardly see straight in this crawling heat haze at the end of the fever-dream of democracy….
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……What is on the table in the absence of actual sustenance appears to be a direct choice between power and principle. Liberals have long been told to pick one and pipe down. Bernie’s’ “political revolution” came as a genuine shock to those in the party who had been expecting an echo chamber and now find the acoustics in the convention hall harder to work with.As far as the party machine goes, Clinton is the ideal candidate. She is an iron-jawed, slick-fisted cagefighter gorged on the corpse of the young radical she once was. This is not an impediment to her presidency: It is her qualification for the presidency. She’s a very skilled player of a very unpopular game, a master manipulator in a nation sick of being lied to.see link…”
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wvParticipantSame writer — Laurie Penny — on the Duplicats convention:
link:https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/american-horror-story-ab4a4b389949#.tsd1m6ew0
see link…”Donald Trump makes you feel good like a line of cocaine or an adulterous orgasm makes you feel good. His puffed-up pridemongering appeals to the cowed, craving animal inside every citizen that wants to vote for cake today and fuck the other guy. Why? Because it feels good, and because so little else does.
But the Democrats? They make you feel good.
They make you feel worthy, and pure, and moral, or at least like you could be all those things if you tried. They make you feel like you’re a good person for trying. They make you feel like liberalism is a position that makes sense. Everyone wants to believe that they are a good person. Americans want to believe it more, perhaps, than the rest of us, because their nation has done and continues to do some very bad things both in the world and to its own people in the name of a dream that is still a nightmare for millions.
America is still, fundamentally, a nation of puritans. That’s why this convention feels, at every stage, like a cross between a rock concert and a church revival. America is soaked in the language and practice of religion and wants to believe in its own goodness — in right as well as might. The signs handed out to delegates on Day One of the DNC said “Love Trumps Hate”. On Day Two, they said “Do The Most Good”. Most of the taglines could have been lifted from the Bible — the Good News version, not the King James. The Democrats are still pushing the Gospels on a suspicious, skeptical congregation that’s starting to lose faith in the hereafter. The Republicans, meanwhile, have run rabid and are reading straight from Revelations.Of course, like every story in the religious mode, American presidential politics is a fairytale.
It’s fairytale designed—like all fairytales—to tell lost, frightened children that darkness can be overcome if they are well-behaved and listen to their elders. It’s a fairytale not just because no nation has a monopoly on morality, but because nation states themselves have never been the vector of human goodness and never will be. America The Brave is a bedtime story, the kind you tell to scared kids who know full well that the monsters are real. But for a moment there, I still wanted Obama to tuck me in….see link
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wvParticipantSometimes the “depends on what it means to you” game goes too far off the tracks.
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Well my ‘own’ subjective, personal, intuition is in alignment with what you seem to think. So in that sense we are in accord. However my main point stands — Its all contested ideological ground. There were many chanters, each meaning ‘something’ and there are many ‘interpreters’ interpreting the meaning in various ways, all colored by individual politics. There’s no way around that.w
vThere are different interpreters but then, some arguments are better than others.
I really believe what I say…the Wilmont kids were using an attack phrase aimed at the kids who are more likely than they are to suffer any negative effects of immigration. So much for supporting the poor.
It’s as if healthy kids were shouting “hey we have health insurance you losers don’t” to a bunch of kids on crutches.
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Well again, my own view is in accord with that view. But i look at it like its more of a ‘best guess” at what some but probly not all the chanters ‘meant’.w
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wvParticipantSometimes the “depends on what it means to you” game goes too far off the tracks.
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Well my ‘own’ subjective, personal, intuition is in alignment with what you seem to think. So in that sense we are in accord. However my main point stands — Its all contested ideological ground. There were many chanters, each meaning ‘something’ and there are many ‘interpreters’ interpreting the meaning in various ways, all colored by individual politics. There’s no way around that.w
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wvParticipantThe 2001 defense fell apart too. Cause of things like thinking Jimmy Kennedy was worth a high pick. In 2000, though, he ran an offensive draft in a year when they were returning 4 starting DL who had all had off-season surgery. Now THERE’S a warning sign.
Martz WANTED a huge say in personnel.
No what he asked for (and didn’t get) was a pro personnel guy. That’s a very specific thing that would have helped. But only so much. Look at those drafts from those years, which are filled with Martz decisions.
Either way one key point…when he did not have either Warner or Bulger, Martz went 6-6 (not counting 2005 which is harder to sort out).
Why? Cause that’s about what you expect from back-up qbs, regardless of the coach.
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Well, like i said i wouldnt let him ‘buy the groceries.’ I’d pair him with a good personnel guy and just let Martz handle the game stuff.But this is all academic message-board silliness (which is fine), coz Martz is not gonna be the next coach, and Kronkenstein is gonna keep Fishbrain for another year or two. …which should make some fans…um……is there a word for raging-homicidal/forlorn-suicidal ?
I like Martz more than you, btw, because I like FUN football
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wvParticipantI missed the game. Catching up now. How did Goff Look?
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IMO also–he had some throws that just show superior talent. At the same time he had a couple of rookie things–some passes too high, some too low. But to me that didn’t overshadow the promise.
He looked like a starting qb. One who (from what I saw) will only get better.
There’s a vid with every throw he made. You can form your own opinion. I would be interested.
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Looked like a super-star in the making to me. Showed the same pocket-presence and escapability and niftyness in the pocket we saw on the college vids.
Great release, nice touch, good zip, threads the needle.
His misses were almost all of the ‘first start jitters’ kinda misses. Didn’t have the timing down yet. A little over-anxious.
He’s gonna be great. Too bad the rest of the offense is such a discombobulated disaster.
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