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wvParticipantNo what I meant was, I need your help keeping X in check.
I’ll try to rein it in a little out of respect for your rules.
No what I meant was, I need your help keeping BT in check.
I am a reformed basher myself
No what I meant was, I need your help keeping zn in check.
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R.E.L.A.X.
Relax….peaceful people communicate more peacefully. This chapter explains the physiological basis of relaxation and provides practical strategies for creating internal peace within minutes.
Empathize…care about the outcome for your conversation partner as well as for yourself. But what part of empathy is genetic and what part learned? Learn how to validate your speech partner’s situation.
Listen…everyone has a story. Practice strategies for listening interactively and following up on what the speaker has said.
Accentuate the positive and reverse our psychological autopilot that causes us to stereotype, blame and focus on the negative.
Examine your goals and rephrase. What is the purpose of the conversation? Are cultural differences in speech styles causing roadblocks to effective communication? This critical chapter provides practical strategies for peaceful conversations when criticizing others and offers practice in flipping negative self-talk.
http://gailnemetzrobinson.com/featured/peacefulconversationswvParticipant….Fuck this shit.
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Hey, what happened to the BT that wanted to get back to some spiritual grounding?
Dark Times, comrad. For sure. But…be a light
Channel all that anger into some Art or Music or…drugs or somethin 🙂Are you near an Ocean? Lake? Mountain trails? Get away from humans for a while. Recharge.
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“…Every man, plant and creature in Existence,
Every woman, child, vein and note
Is…A harbinger of joy,
The harbinger of
Light.
Hafiz – “The Subject Tonight is Love”wvParticipantGood article, WV.
But I’m seeing an excess of self-flagellation happening on the left the last coupla days, and I don’t think all of it is productive. Some, definitely. But it’s selective, etc.
And all of these “You brought it on yourself!!” pieces and $5.00 may get us a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I just don’t see most of them achieving much beyond maybe making the writer feel temporarily superior. And I’m guilty of that “told you so” urge as well. On another website, dominated by Clinton supporters and centrist Dems, I clashed with them before the election repeatedly, but decided to end that futility a coupla months back. Too tired of feeling hopeless in the face of their acceptance of neoliberalism, Republican-Lite and Clintonian, crackpot realism.
You should read the article linked, btw.
To me, now is for the left to “come together.” Bigly.
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I dont see it that way at all, Billy. I dont think the ‘real left’ is blaming ‘themselves’ at all — i think the are blaming the DNC and Neoliberals.w
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link:http://www.sodiumhaze.org/2016/11/10/it-was-the-rise-of-the-davos-class-that-sealed-americas-fate-naomi-klein/
It Was the Rise of the Davos Class That Sealed America’s Fate |
Naomi Klein
Submitted by admin on November 10, 2016They will blame James Comey and the FBI. They will blame voter suppression and racism. They will blame Bernie or bust and misogyny. They will blame third parties and independent candidates. They will blame the corporate media for giving him the platform, social media for being a bullhorn, and WikiLeaks for airing the laundry.
But this leaves out the force most responsible for creating the nightmare in which we now find ourselves wide awake: neoliberalism. That worldview – fully embodied by Hillary Clinton and her machine – is no match for Trump-style extremism. The decision to run one against the other is what sealed our fate. If we learn nothing else, can we please learn from that mistake?
Here is what we need to understand: a hell of a lot of people are in pain. Under neoliberal policies of deregulation, privatisation, austerity and corporate trade, their living standards have declined precipitously. They have lost jobs. They have lost pensions. They have lost much of the safety net that used to make these losses less frightening. They see a future for their kids even worse than their precarious present.
At the same time, they have witnessed the rise of the Davos class, a hyper-connected network of banking and tech billionaires, elected leaders who are awfully cosy with those interests, and Hollywood celebrities who make the whole thing seem unbearably glamorous. Success is a party to which they were not invited, and they know in their hearts that this rising wealth and power is somehow directly connected to their growing debts and powerlessness.
For the people who saw security and status as their birthright – and that means white men most of all – these losses are unbearable.
Donald Trump speaks directly to that pain. The Brexit campaign spoke to that pain. So do all of the rising far-right parties in Europe. They answer it with nostalgic nationalism and anger at remote economic bureaucracies – whether Washington, the North American free trade agreement the World Trade Organisation or the EU. And of course, they answer it by bashing immigrants and people of colour, vilifying Muslims, and degrading women. Elite neoliberalism has nothing to offer that pain, because neoliberalism unleashed the Davos class. People such as Hillary and Bill Clinton are the toast of the Davos party. In truth, they threw the party.
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Trump’s message was: “All is hell.” Clinton answered: “All is well.” But it’s not well – far from it.
Neo-fascist responses to rampant insecurity and inequality are not going to go away. But what we know from the 1930s is that what it takes to do battle with fascism is a real left. A good chunk of Trump’s support could be peeled away if there were a genuine redistributive agenda on the table. An agenda to take on the billionaire class with more than rhetoric, and use the money for a green new deal. Such a plan could create a tidal wave of well-paying unionised jobs, bring badly needed resources and opportunities to communities of colour, and insist that polluters should pay for workers to be retrained and fully included in this future.
It could fashion policies that fight institutionalised racism, economic inequality and climate change at the same time. It could take on bad trade deals and police violence, and honour indigenous people as the original protectors of the land, water and air.
People have a right to be angry, and a powerful, intersectional left agenda can direct that anger where it belongs, while fighting for holistic solutions that will bring a frayed society together.
Such a coalition is possible. In Canada, we have begun to cobble it together under the banner of a people’s agenda called The Leap Manifesto, endorsed by more than 220 organisations from Greenpeace Canada to Black Lives Matter Toronto, and some of our largest trade unions.
Bernie Sanders’ amazing campaign went a long way towards building this sort of coalition, and demonstrated that the appetite for democratic socialism is out there. But early on, there was a failure in the campaign to connect with older black and Latino voters who are the demographic most abused by our current economic model. That failure prevented the campaign from reaching its full potential. Those mistakes can be corrected and a bold, transformative coalition is there to be built on.
That is the task ahead. The Democratic party needs to be either decisively wrested from pro-corporate neoliberals, or it needs to be abandoned. From Elizabeth Warren to Nina Turner, to the Occupy alumni who took the Bernie campaign supernova, there is a stronger field of coalition-inspiring progressive leaders out there than at any point in my lifetime. We are “leaderful”, as many in the Movement for Black Lives say.
So let’s get out of shock as fast as we can and build the kind of radical movement that has a genuine answer to the hate and fear represented by the Trumps of this world. Let’s set aside whatever is keeping us apart and start right now.
wvParticipantYes, so now our Vice President and Secretary of Education are “young earth creationists”.
Science class will look like this…
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Everytime i read something new about Trump-Hillary i think…well, we’ve hit bottom….and then, i read something even lower 🙂I’m just goin to keep repeating my slient mantra: “I voted for Jill, I voted for Jill, I voted for Jill…”
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v“the first quality of an honest man is contempt for religion, which would have us afraid of the most natural thing in the world, which is death; and would have us hate the one beautiful thing destiny has given us, which is life.”
― Umberto Eco, The Island of the Day Before“You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?” ― Mark Twain
“Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man … living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.” ― George Carlin
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Amerian Liberals Unleashed The Trump Monster
link:https://www.newcoldwar.org/american-liberals-unleashed-trump-monster/By Jonathan Cook, published on Jonathan Cook, Nov 9, 2016
The Earth has been shifting under our feet for a while, but all that liberals want to do is desperately cling to the status quo like a life-raft. Middle-class Britons are still hyper-ventiliating about Brexit, and now middle-class America is trembling at the prospect of Donald Trump in the White House.
And, of course, middle-class Americans are blaming everyone but themselves. Typifying this blinkered self-righteousness was a column yesterday, written before news of Trump’s success, from Guardian journalist Jonathan Freedland, Britain’s unofficial stenographer to power and Washington fanboy. He blamed everyone but Hillary Clinton for her difficult path to what he then assumed was the White House.
Well, here is some news for Freedland and American liberals. The reason Trump is heading to the Oval Office is because the Democratic party rigged the primaries to ensure that a candidate who could have beaten Trump, Bernie Sanders, did not get on the ticket. You want to blame someone, blame Clinton and the rotten-to-the-core Democratic party leadership.
But no, liberals won’t be listening because they are too busy blaming Julian Assange and Wikileaks for exposing the truth about the Democratic leadership set out in the Clinton campaign emails – and Russia for supposedly stealing them.
Blame lies squarely, too, with Barack Obama, the great black hope who spent eight years proving how wedded he was to neoliberal orthodoxy at home and a neoconservative agenda abroad.
While liberals praised him to the heavens, he poured the last U.S. treasure into propping up a failed banking system, bankrupting the country to fill the pockets of a tiny, already fabulously wealthy elite. The plutocrats then recycled vast sums to lobbyists and representatives in Congress to buy control there and make sure the voice of ordinary Americans counted for even less than it did before.
Obama also continued the futile “war on terror”, turning the world into one giant battlefield that made every day a payday for the arms industry. The U.S. has been dropping bombs on jihadists and civilians alike, while supplying the very same jihadists with arms to kill yet more civilians.
And all the while, have liberals been campaigning against the military-industrial complex that stole their political system? No, of course not. They have been worrying about the mass migrations of refugees – those fleeing the very resource wars their leaders stoked.
Then there is the liberal media that served as a loyal chorus to Clinton, trying to persuade us that she would make a model president, and to ignore what was in plain sight: that Clinton is even more in the pocket of the bankers and arms dealers than Obama (if that were possible) and would wage more, not less war.
Do I sound a little like Trump as I rant against liberals? Yes, I do. And while you are busy dismissing me as a closet Trump supporter, you can continue your furious refusal to examine the reasons why a truly progressive position appears so similar to a far-right one like Trump’s.
Because real progressives are as frustrated and angry about the status quo as are the poor, vulnerable and disillusioned who turned to Trump. And they had no choice but to vote for Trump because there was no one aside from him in the presidential race articulating anything that approximated the truth.
Sanders was ousted by Clinton and her corrupt coterie. Jill Stein of the Greens was made invisible by a corrupt electoral system. It was either vote for Clinton and the putrid status quo, or vote for Trump and a possibility for change.
Yes, Trump is very bad. He is as much a product of the plutocracy that is now America as Clinton. He, like Clinton, will do nothing to fix the most important issue facing humankind: runaway climate change. He is a climate denier, she is a climate evader.
But unlike Clinton, Trump understood the rising popular anger at the “system”, and he was articulate enough to express it – all it took was a howl of pain.
Trump isn’t the antithesis of liberal America. You liberals created him. You unleashed this monster. It is you in the mirror. You stayed silent, you took no stand while your country was stolen from you. In fact, you did worse: you enthusiastically voted time after time for those who did the stealing.
Now the path is clear and the route fast. The precipice is ahead, and American liberals are firmly in the driving seat.
Jonathan Cook is an award-winning British journalist based in Nazareth, Israel, since 2001. He is the author of three books on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Also by Jonathan Cook:
No, Hillary Clinton is not less evil than Trump, Nov 7, 2016
Tomorrow, Americans get the chance to vote for a system – resource-hungry, war-peddling corporate capitalism – in two iterations: one has funny hair and a permatan, the other wears lipstick and trouser-suits. Yes, there are some policy differences too, or rather emphases – and Hillary Clinton’s supporters are desperately exploiting them..
wvParticipantI’ll put this one here, just because its ‘tone’ is so completely different from article in the original post, but the substance is not all ‘that’ different, really. Just substitute the word ‘neoliberal’ for ‘predatory capitalism’.
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Deplorables 1, Empire 0
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45833.htmBy Paul Edwards
November 11, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – It’s done. The foolish, arrogant propaganda excreted by the captive press of the Imperial Establishment is flushed, and they and their owners are eating their hubris, choking down the bitter, toxic medicine they inflicted on themselves. The nightmare they swore could never win is the Chosen One.
What this may mean to them, to all of us, and to The Empire, no one can guess. The origin, though, of what Michael Moore called the greatest “#### You” in our political history, is clear behind the shock and awe of the elite.
Between them, Trump and Clinton diligently stripped away the last shreds of the rent and ragged camouflage that disguised our zombie body politic.
Behind the mantra of Exceptionalism, the American Empire has behaved with exactly the same solipsistic arrogance all empires have embraced.
Internationally it has raged, as imperial China did, as if with a “Mandate of Heaven”, flaunting self-interest with no regard for other nations or the laws of war. It has inflicted misery, chaos, and death on many millions of the poor and helpless for a Full Spectrum Dominance it could never impose. America’s Capitalist War Machine has raped and destroyed many countries for its profit, and destablized the entire world in its megalomania.
Schumpeter said it best, of Imperial Germany’s military industry: “Created by the wars that required it, the Machine now creates the wars it requires.”
America has been transformed over time from a civil democracy with imperial economics to a militarist empire with vaudeville democracy. This was accomplished by binding both wings of the duopoly to the exclusive interest of Predatory Capitalism with corrupting money. A corporate state imposed via political and military power is the essence of Fascism.
For generations, Americans have been dosed with the ultra-nationalist poison of Exceptionalism, with its implicit racist subtext, and its sexism buried in a hoo-rah masculinity cult, but it has always been flavored with the sweetening agent that We, The People, were both masters and beneficiaries of our benign, patristic system. The last several decades have painfully taught any conscious observer that this is a cynical fiction.
In this election, the threadbare mythology of the duopoly was ripped away in a manner that left no doubt, in even the least informed, most credulous minds, that the American political system was a dead, stinking fraud. Each party, with its purblind lack of understanding of, and connection with, the mass of American people, suffered uniquely humiliating public pantsings.
Having stealthily, assiduously cultivated and nurtured the most regressive, dim, and hateful elements in its Redneck Wing for decades, the CEO Wing gaped impotently as Dogpatch was appropriated by a vulgarian who spoke to peckerwoods directly, not in code. He jettisoned the few Silverspooners and Coupon Clipper Bosses, stole their ground troops and mobilized their outrage. He only succeeded then due to the universal rage of the working class that has been dealt out and bankrupted, its jobs and prospects stolen and its lives sunk, for the benefit of a tiny clique of professional criminals.
The Republican Party is done, killed because Trump grabbed its posse.
Democrats, confident of being lesser evils, opted for selbstmord. After Occupy’s warning, exposes of record financial inequality and the rapid unravelling of democracy, one might have thought a show of fight against those evils would be mandatory, but no: they pre-selected the candidate who embodied them instead. As the long, impassioned cry went up across the country, from the young, working people, the ill and poor, disabled and elderly, for an old man who would be their champion, Party commissars chose to freeze out Bernie’s burn and go geriatrically into that good night. Then, when caught out in their shoddy chicanery, they Hitlered Putin.
The Democratic Party is done, dead of peritonitis from undigested hubris.
The failure of faction, the implosion of coherent parties, means more, not less division and acrimony. America faces now the same degree of crisis that has blown the senile Parties in pieces. The time ahead is fraught with tremendous and unknown perils and challenges with no precedent. Our Republic stands a good chance of becoming ungovernable.
Franklin said, with the tough days in Philadelphia over and the Constitution signed, that we had a Republic, if we could keep it. We’re about to find out.
wvParticipantYup. I think i’ve read about fifteen articles now, basically saying that same thing.
And yet — i fully expect the DNC-NeoLiberals to go right back to the same ole sorry ass policies. I dunno whether they are simply ‘benefiting’ from those policies or if they are ‘true believers’. Not sure about that.
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vwvParticipantWhatever side you want to blame, it is really important for Trump to come out and make a speech, reassuring Americans of color that he has their back, and distancing himself from white hate groups. He must condemn those groups in the harshest terms. He must find a way to calm this down.
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Well, its an interesting dynamic for Trump. I mean he knows that one of his core support-factions is the Haters. The white supremicists, KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, etc. We know that. He knows that. He has plenty of other, respectable factions but he courted, gathered and motivated THAT one too.
So when Hate-groups are part of your political coalition…and they help you get elected, and you need them to get re-elected — what happens AFTER you get elected? What do you say to them?
I see he gave Ben Carson a job, btw. wv-mom will be very happy about that. I wonder if Pat Robertson will be secretary of transportation.
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vwvParticipantWell, most of the mountains have been blown up by the out-of-state-coal-barrons
or fracked into toxic-soup by the out-of-state-Oil-barrons.So there’s that.
I’m very sorry to hear that.
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Thats ok. folks around here can still lay on their backs
and look up at the moon and the stars.w
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“The sun, the moon and the stars would have disappeared long ago… had they happened to be within the reach of predatory human hands.
~Havelock Ellis, The Dance of Life,wvParticipant“Now and again it is necessary to seclude among deep mountains
and hidden valleys to restore your link to the source of life.You’re surrounding by that stuff, aren’t you?
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Well, most of the mountains have been blown up by the out-of-state-coal-barrons
or fracked into toxic-soup by the out-of-state-Oil-barrons.So there’s that.
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“I am often asked the question How can the masses permit themselves to be exploited by the few. The answer is By being persuaded to identify with them.”
― E.L. Doctorow, RagtimewvParticipantI also attended a taping of “The PTL Club” with Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.
My mother was a big fan so we stopped at their studios in Virginia on the drive back from a vacation in Florida. I was only 14 or so at the time. I don’t remember much but what I do remember was surreal. We were seated in upper part of the balcony. I remember a young boy walking down to the front of the balcony to take a picture of the stage where Jim and Tammy Faye were. Before he could even get the viewfinder to his eye, a couple security guys grabbed it from him and confiscated it. The boy ran crying back to his mother. I don’t know if they ever gave the camera back to the kid. I just know I couldn’t wait to get out of there. It felt very ‘cultish’ to me.
In college I dated a girl who said she was a witch. She told me she was 400 years old. She was a computer science major. Very smart and pretty. I went to her apartment once and she had lit candles everywhere. She dumped me pretty quickly though. She was into motorcycle guys and I was a VW Beetle guy.
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“Why do we people in churches seem like cheerful, brainless tourists on a packaged tour of the Absolute?”
― Annie Dillardw
vwvParticipantLove your dumbass neighbor.
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Ahh. I like it. Common ground, finally. 🙂
I would add
“love your dum-ass self,
and love your dum-ass neighbor”Then again, those nice sayings fall apart
when it comes to choosing political polices and systems, dont they?I mean some folks dont want to spend tax dollars on ‘welfare’ right?
All those nice sayings dont help anyone resolve political differences. Do they? Yes? No?
Ah well.
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vwvParticipantI’m just gonna drink my tea, slowly, and eat my toast. If someone has a better suggestion
let me know.Smell the toast.
Smell the tea.
Hear the birds outside.
Be aware of yourself.
Breathe in the universe.
Breathe it back out.
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“Now and again it is necessary to seclude among deep mountains
and hidden valleys to restore your link to the source of life.
Breathe in and let yourself soar to the ends of the Universe;
Breathe out and let the Cosmos back inside. Next, breathe
up all the fecundity and vibrancy of the earth. Finally
blend the breath of heaven and the breath of earth
with that of your own, becoming the breath of Life itself.” M. Ueshiba—-
“Inhale, and God approaches you. Hold the inhalation, and God remains with you. Exhale, and you approach God. Hold the exhalation, and surrender to God. ~Krishnamacharya
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Moyers: Is that why you begin (Meditation training) with something as simple as eating a raisin?
Kabat-Zinn: …so we say ‘Look the first the first Meditation exercise we’ll be doing isnt
breathing, it isnt sitting in the lotus posture….We’re just going to eat a raisin — but
to eat that raisin mindfully, with awareness. You look at the raisin, feel it, smell it,
and with awareness bring it to the mouth gradually, and see that the
saliva starts to get secreted by the salivary glands just as you bring it up.
Then you take the raisin into the mouth and you begin to taste this thing that
we usually eat automatically.Moyers: And usually a handful at a time.
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Kabat-Zinn: Yes, and you’re onto the next handful before you’ve finished
chewing this one…Your life is the sum of your present moments….
Jon Kabat-ZinnwvParticipantGreg Palast
wvParticipantSo is that the emblem of Amerika now: Two Bald Eagles stuck in a drain ? 🙂
I dunno. I’m gonna continue to make toast and tea in the morning
and just live my life. Trump-Hillary and Republicrats will go on lying, destroying
polluting, fracking, toxic-sludging, drilling, blasting, and making plastic shit.I’m just gonna drink my tea, slowly, and eat my toast. If someone has a better suggestion
let me know.w
vwvParticipant2 songs: “So Long Marianne” and of course his signature “Suzanne.”
But I am a hopeless romantic. I suspect your favorite could be “Everybody Knows” It’s also one of mine.
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Well i am a hopeless romantic too. I’m surprised you dont know that.
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“At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality. Ernesto Che GuevarawvParticipantBut religion is about fairy stories
What do you believe? What’s the origin and ultimate meaning to life?
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Mystery. Embrace the Mystery.
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“There are no others.”
Ramana Maharshi.wvParticipantI read somewhere that Hillary got Six Million fewer votes than Obama did.
And i also read that Trump got about the same amount of votes as whathisname got last time.
Is either or both of those true? The second one would surprise me. The first would not.
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vwvParticipant<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Politics is Religion. imo</span>
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Well i dunno. If
you mean both cause posters to argue and insult one another, then yes.But religion is about fairy stories and politics is about
genocide, inequality, power-distribution, etc.I voted for Merlin Olsen, btw,
so don’t blame me.w
vwvParticipantHow the heck do you get stuck in a storm drain? Are they on drugs?
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How do you know they weren’t on drugs? Crystal Meth maybe. Or Opoids.
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vwvParticipantHow the heck do you get stuck in a storm drain? Are they on drugs?
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vwvParticipantObviously, this favors the GOP and their agenda. They’re likely to get 99% of it passed. I haven’t dug into the percentages, but I’m guessing Obama got less than 10% of his through.
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Well, if this doesn’t change the Dem Party, nothing will.
I’m guessing nothing will, btw. But there is always a small ‘hope’.
On with our lives,
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vwvParticipantlink:http://ritholtz.com/2016/11/miss-me-no/
Last Time GOP Controlled All 3 Branches of GovernmentNovember 9, 2016 6:00am by Barry Ritholtz
Here is a reminder about the last time this happened, when Republicans ran all 3 branches of the federal government:
“When George W. Bush became president in 2001, it marked the first time in 70 years that conservative Republicans controlled all three branches of government. By the time Bush left office, we were all reminded why. The financial crisis and resulting global economic meltdown Bush left us with were eerily reminiscent of the Great Depression, but there was also 9/11, the Iraq War and Katrina—a multifaceted record of spectacular failure so stunning that it should have disqualified conservative Republicans from holding power for at least another seven decades. Yet, the Democrats’ political response to the many messes Bush left behind has been so spectacularly inept that they’ve not only lost both houses of Congress, they’ve also lost more state legislative seats than any time since before the Great Recession.”
SALONwvParticipantWe used to call articles like that little “outrage of the week” articles. You can dig up that kind of story on both sides anytime you want. There’s always examples of dum reps and dum dems to be found. Right?
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Not at all, Dude, not at all. I got zero problems with the post.w
vwvParticipantWe used to call articles like that little “outrage of the week” articles. You can dig up that kind of story on both sides anytime you want. There’s always examples of dum reps and dum dems to be found. Right?
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vwvParticipantwv, listen to your mom! How about your dad?
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Oh, dad’s been gone for a while. Died in 68. I watched my first Ram game with him,
though. Bears vs Rams. Lost 17 to 16 of course 🙂I bet you are VERY happy right now, bnw — savor it.
Now what do you think of the fact Hillary actually won the popular vote?
I mean more voters actually wanted her than Trump. Same as when Gore got
more votes than Bush.What do you think of a system where the person who comes in second wins?
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vwvParticipant[rage video]
Hah. I liked a lot of that.
I do think a lot of people are gonna be surprised by Trump’s effectiveness, though. If they can just get past his rhetoric and the angst over already spilled milk long enough to give him a chance, that is.————
Well he’s got congress now. And the S.Ct. So the Reps will have their way. They get to do it their way now.For better,
or worse.We shall see.
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vwvParticipantThis stuff makes my eyes roll back in my head. Leave your fucking children alone, idiots. Seriously – just stop being drama queens. “Children” have no business being involved in your irrational fears. What elementary school kid is sitting around determining that a new immigration policy is going to spell the deportation of his friends? They don’t pick up on that stuff by themselves. They’re exposed to it deliberately because of your irresponsibility and your ignorance. “Don’t worry, Timmy, daddy will protect you from the big orange man who wants all your friends to die in Mexico.” Asshats. And Sorkin’s letter to his daughters? It would have been literally the funniest thing I have ever read in my life if it wasn’t so offensive that he had to drag his daughters into his personal hell. The fuck is wrong with people anymore?
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Well, there’s a lot of drama out there in the country right now. Lots of raw emotions. We knew there would be no matter who won. Lots of passions in this divided country.w
vwvParticipantInvaderRam wrote:
can i say winter is coming?
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That’s clearly photoshopped.
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Um. Okay. Believe what you want, then. I guess..
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Ok, if Trump is that Game of Thrones winter night king guy,
who is Hillary?w
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