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The hopelessness and hideous trajectory of things iz making a lot of leftists
even more difficult than usualWe may differ on that.
I don’t things are any worse than usual.
I just think some have talked themselves into that view.
This is from an honest place in me, and I am not trying to one-up or be holier or any of that. It’s just something I sense. I maybe don’t know how to put it well.
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Well I’d say you are dead wrong. 🙂The science sez, the air is getting worse, the water is getting worse, the fracking is getting worse, the climate is getting worse, etc.
I ‘do’ hope you are right, though.
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vwell i dont disagree with any of that.
There are things that are annoying about this round of left resistance.
You feel it, I feel it, just about different things.
When we were trying to reason our way through the iraq war, there was more spontaneous unity. I mean everywhere.
So I guess I is just this old nostalgic S.O.B.
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Well, i think the corporotacracy has just gotten worse and worse.
I never used to see the term “deep state” back in the Iraq War days. Now there’s a sense among a lot of leftists that the CIA/NSA/Defense-Corpse/Congress/President/Mega-Corpse are…i cant even think of a metaphor or image…..like a dinosaur-sized flaming planet-eating giraffe.
The hopelessness and hideous trajectory of things iz making a lot of leftists
even more difficult than usual. I’m burned out myself. Even though i post almost nothing but political shit, i mainly enjoy the Sciency, quirky stuff i see on the board. The Pol stuff is too hideous for words.w
vThis is when Maher is at his best…when he’s ripping on the GOP for, well, being the GOP – or the democrats for being spineless or for being complicit in the GOP’s douchebaggery.
Where he and I part ways is when he starts discussing feminism, Islam, political correctness, etc…
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Some things, though, I don’t agree with him. There;s this kind of smug more pure than pure thing among some leftists that causes them to veer off into conspiracy theories. It used to be all you had to deal with was right-wing conspiracy theories. Now there are left-wing conspiracy theories aimed at the left. It’s not the same as it was 10-15 years ago.
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Yeah, i know you dont like the conspiracy stuff. I dont mind it, because ive gotten to the point where I’ve been drenched by so many lies and so much propaganda, in this system, that i have trouble telling what’s real and whats not anymore. I’m often in a position of being skeptical of the conspiracy…and skeptical of the ‘official’ story, both…..
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vIt’s never that either/or, though. “Official” v. conspiracy. You can see through a lot of that stuff. Otherwise we’re just admitting that programmed efforts to distort things always win.
For example, why on earth would I even want to be critical of the women’s march on Washington. What is accomplished by that, except some kind of prissy divisiveness? Just do your thing right alongside the other things and then see where it all ends up.
I see it like this. There is no “pure program.” We’re not like Lenin’s communist party. There are many things at once, from different angles and places, and their cumulative effect is what matters. Unless people WANT a doctrinally pure, organized Lenisist party. Which to me would be a disaster.
I have no trouble spotting conspiracy theories, btw. There’s usually an “edge” to them that just feels wrong.
Like, it’s not enough that Hillary was an establishment dem who was never good on economic issues. I am now supposed to debate whether she had a lower level party aid assassinated? (??!!) 10 or 15 years ago, that kind of stuff did not happen. Conspiracy inventing was right against left, not left against left.
To me, and speaking just for myself and how I tend to see it, surrendering when it comes to seeing through obvious conspiracy bs is the same as just giving up in general, IMO. It accomplishes nothing. It’s defeatism. If we’re going to be defeatist, then, why bother. If you’re defeatist why not just join the establishment and reap the benefits they offer. Why go through all the stress of opposing them.
Okay done soapboxing.
For now.
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Why criticize the march? Well, in the video the woman critiquing the march is Medea Benjamin a co-founder of Code Pink. She was asked by the interviewer “why has it been so hard to build an anti-war movement…at the womens march in Washington our wars abroad werent even mentioned…?”And Medea sez “…no, they didnt even mention it in the platform, and we called them, we tried, and we couldnt even get that in the platform of the women’s march. Its just extraordinary….they said it was controversial.”
The vid is about FIXING fissures in the left-movements.
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vWade likes CBs.
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Any draft thots, Ag?
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vYou didnt watch
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vYou didn;t make a case for it. It;s the bloody Putin Russians. I think it’s naive to pretend that outside their own borders they turn into these apostles of free thinking and genuine news.
There are all kinds of good analysts out there, for example, who have shown how much the BBC is agenda-driven. Why all of a sudden is Russian state-sponsored news escaping the same criticism we bring to the BBC?
And not only is it of necessity tainted, it’s not necessary to even go there. There’s nothing they could ever provide that wouldn’t be provided better by others who don’t have a state-sponsored taint.
We also wouldn’t recommend Radio America to people. Well there’s a reason for that.
The Russians don’t stop being who they are anymore than the american agenda stops being the american agenda on Radio America.
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You are doing a movie review of a movie you didnt watch.
RT is NOT monolithic. There’s good RT and bad RT. You would know that if you actually watched more of it.
And again, i dont care where good info comes from. If its good, its good. Some of RT is good. And i like the fact that, that good-RT-stuff is hitting the american airwaves.
I wouldnt recommend radio america to people but i would recommend the Daily Show.
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vYou can’t find that kind of thing, if not better, elsewhere?
Without the taint of being a propaganda outlet for a right-wing authoritarian oligarchy?
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I dont care where it comes from. I wouldnt care if it came from North Korea or Mordor. If its good stuff, its good stuff. Why do you care where its from?
Its aimed at young American voters. Thats a good thing. Where’s the down side?
And btw, WATCH this one. Tell me what you think without regard to where its from.
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