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    zn
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    A Chilling Theory on Trump’s Nonstop Lies
    His duplicity bears a disturbing resemblance to Putin-style propaganda.

    DENISE CLIFTON

    link: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/trump-nonstop-lies/

    “26 hours, 29 Trumpian False or Misleading Claims.”

    That was the headline on a piece last week from the Washington Post, whose reporters continued the herculean task of debunking wave after wave of President Donald Trump’s lies. (It turned out there was a 30th Trump falsehood in that time frame, regarding the head of the Boy Scouts.) The New York Times keeps a running tally of the president’s lies since Inauguration Day, and PolitiFact has scrutinized and rated 69 percent of Trump’s statements as mostly false, false, or “pants on fire.”

    Trump’s chronic duplicity may be pathological, as some experts have suggested. But what else might be going on here? In fact, the 45th president’s stream of lies echoes a contemporary form of Russian propaganda known as the “Firehose of Falsehood.”

    In 2016, the nonpartisan research organization RAND released a study of messaging techniques seen in Kremlin-controlled media. The researchers described two key features: “high numbers of channels and messages” and “a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions.”

    The result of those tactics? “New Russian propaganda entertains, confuses and overwhelms the audience.”

    Indeed, Trump’s style as a mendacious media phenomenon resonates strongly with RAND’s findings from the study, which also explains the efficacy of the Russian propaganda tactics. Here are the key examples:

    RAND: “Russian propaganda is produced in incredibly large volumes and is broadcast or otherwise distributed via a large number of channels.”

    Trump is known for his high-volume use of Twitter, tweeting about 500 times in his first 100 days in office, using both his personal account and the official @POTUS account. His tweets often become the subject of news stories and sometimes provoke entire news cycles’ worth of coverage across the mainstream media, such as when he accused former President Barack Obama of “wiretapping” his campaign and suggested he might have secret recordings of ex-FBI Director James Comey. Both CNN and the Los Angeles Times keep running tweet trackers on the president. Trump has also appeared on White House-friendly cable news shows like Fox & Friends—a show he also tweets about effusively on a regular basis.

    Trump is also a prolific liar on stage: Of the 29 false statements the Washington Post tracked last week, five came in a speech to Boy Scouts, two came from a news conference, and a whopping 15 came from a rally in Youngstown, Ohio. (Seven others came from, where else, his personal Twitter feed.)

    The deluge matters, notes RAND: “The experimental psychology literature suggests that, all other things being equal, messages received in greater volume and from more sources will be more persuasive.”

    RAND: “Russian propaganda is rapid, continuous, and repetitive”

    Trump often repeats misleading statements in rapid, successive tweets. As the Post captured, in three tweets within 13 minutes on the evening of July 24, he railed against the “Amazon Washington Post,” and in three tweets between 3:03 a.m. and 3:21 a.m. on July 25, he railed against his old foe Hillary Clinton, calling Attorney General Jeff Sessions “VERY weak” for not investigating her, and wrongly saying that acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe’s wife received money from Clinton.

    Why the technique works: RAND explains that “repetition leads to familiarity, and familiarity leads to acceptance.”

    RAND: “Russian propaganda makes no commitment to objective reality”

    Phony news stories are a staple of Vladimir Putin’s Russia—and as Mother Jones has detailed, Trump and his team have been caught repeating several that originated in Russian news outlets.

    Trump also has a habit of repeating false statements that can be very easily checked—such as lies about the number of bills he has signed. On July 17: “We’ve signed more bills—and I’m talking about through the Legislature—than any president, ever.” And then on July 21: “I heard that Harry Truman was first, and then we beat him. These are approved by Congress. These are not just executive orders.” The historical record shows that many presidents—including Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, George H.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton—all signed more bills within their first six months of office.

    From RAND’s 2016 study

    RAND notes that this propaganda strategy flies in the face of conventional wisdom that “the truth always wins.” However, the researchers found, “Even when people are aware that some sources (such as political campaign rhetoric) have the potential to contain misinformation, they still show a poor ability to discriminate between information that is false and information that is correct.” Confirmation bias and emotion also factor in: “Stories or accounts that create emotional arousal in the recipient (e.g., disgust, fear, happiness) are much more likely to be passed on, whether they are true or not.”

    RAND: “Russian propaganda is not committed to consistency”

    Trump’s story often changes, even among his own false statements. The New York Times tracked five times this spring that the president changed his story about when China had stopped manipulating its currency—from “the time I took office” to “since I started running” to “since I’ve been talking about currency manipulation.” The reality is, China stopped manipulating its currency years ago.

    According to RAND, this approach exploits relatively low expectations of truth among the public regarding statements from politicians. In Russia, “Putin’s fabrications, though more egregious than the routine, might be perceived as just more of what is expected from politicians in general and might not constrain his future influence potential.” In the United States, Trump may be taking advantage of historically low public trust in both the media and politicians.

    RAND: “Don’t expect to counter the firehose of falsehood with the squirt gun of truth.”

    The Washington Post has called Trump “the most fact-checked politician.” Yet, the RAND research found that pointing out specific falsehoods was an ineffective tool against the propaganda techniques they studied in Russia because “people will have trouble recalling which information they have received is the disinformation and which is the truth.” The researchers acknowledged the challenges that other governments and organizations like NATO have in countering Russian propaganda, and advised against taking on the propaganda messages directly.

    Some responses proposed by the researchers may also hold clues for media struggling to contend with Trump’s unprecedented behavior in the Oval Office. The researchers suggest making the first impression on an issue by priming audiences with accurate information, to get in front of a potentially misleading message. And they advise exposing the method: “Highlight the ways propagandists attempt to manipulate audiences,” they say, “rather than fighting the specific manipulations.”

    For the American media, it may well be a matter of doing both, and often.

    #71898
    wv
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    I dunno if Trump tells more lies than Obama/Bush/Clinton/Reagan etc. I’m not sure. Trump’s lies just seem more pompous, clownish and brasher to me, for sure.

    But the topic reminds me of that famous article where the Bush aid talked about the non-reality-community of the US Empire :

    “…About Karl Rove:
    The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore.” He continued “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    Suskind, Ron (2004-10-17). Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush. The New York Times Magazine.
    About Karl Rove
    link:https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

    #71900
    zn
    Moderator

    Yes Trump is worse. Name the last president to deny climate change, disdain science generally, routinely and I mean on a multiple daily basis proclaim accomplishments he did not actually accomplish, openly promise to help regular folk while attacking social security and medicaid etc., and so on.

    And it’s not—like some thought it would be—a case where Trump is better on foreign policy either.

    And this presumably promised new era of pushback against neo-liberal trade policies? Hasn’t happened, won’t happen.

    #71901
    Billy_T
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    I think the empirical evidence is overwhelming that Trump has set all-time records for lying. To me, it’s not even close.

    That said, there are lies of commission and omission, and previous presidents have had their share and then some of the latter. Not telling the American people what was actually going on, etc. Under that standard, Obama is every bit as bad as Bush, etc.

    But, the thing is, Trump is doing that as well. In fact, the we only know about the stuff he’s really done because of leaks from within his own White House, usually. Without the Press reports, we’d never find that stuff out. We’d never find out about half the environmental regs he’s cancelled, or the voter suppression commission’s makeup, or the backgrounds of his cabinet.

    Boiled down, Trump is guilty of the omission kind, just like previous presidents, and he’s set records for the commission kind. No president has ever lied as often in public. He’s in his own league on that score.

    link: http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/20/winning-trump-average-4-6-false-claims-day.html

    By Sarah Jones on Thu, Jul 20th, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Trump averaged 4.9 false or misleading claims a day after the first 100 days. Now, at the six month mark, Trump is averaging 4.6 false or misleading claims a day.

    #71909
    wv
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    I think the empirical evidence is overwhelming that Trump has set all-time records for lying. To me, it’s not even close.

    That said, there are lies of commission and omission, and previous presidents have had their share and then some of the latter. Not telling the American people what was actually going on, etc. Under that standard, Obama is every bit as bad as Bush, etc.

    But, the thing is, Trump is doing that as well. In fact, the we only know about the stuff he’s really done because of leaks from within his own White House, usually. Without the Press reports, we’d never find that stuff out. We’d never find out about half the environmental regs he’s cancelled, or the voter suppression commission’s makeup, or the backgrounds of his cabinet.

    Boiled down, Trump is guilty of the omission kind, just like previous presidents, and he’s set records for the commission kind. No president has ever lied as often in public. He’s in his own league on that score.

    link: http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/20/winning-trump-average-4-6-false-claims-day.html

    By Sarah Jones on Thu, Jul 20th, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Trump averaged 4.9 false or misleading claims a day after the first 100 days. Now, at the six month mark, Trump is averaging 4.6 false or misleading claims a day.

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    Well, I dunno. To me, every President has been a non-stop lying machine. Every single day they all act like they are working for the poor, and America is all about justice and apple pie, and America doesnt overthrow democracies, etc etc etc etc.

    In a Corporotacracy its almost ALL lies. Rife with lies. A house of lies. The system is BASED on lies. Blah blah blah. Just my opinion.

    So, I dunno if Trump tells ‘more’ lies than any of the others. To me, his lies are just more clownish and brash. I get the impression in some ways his base knows hes lying and they LIKE it, cause they interpret it as ‘trash talk’ (like in Sports) and they interpret it as tweaking the elite media, etc.

    As far as SPECIFIC lies — yes, he’s the first Prez to deny climate change. And that of course is a HUGE lie. But its also just one lie. Numerically-speaking 🙂

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    #71910
    Billy_T
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    WV,

    Yes, it’s a context of lies. Definitely. But, as mentioned, Trump lies in that way too. He’s never said a thing to counter any of that, plus, he’s added those five lies a day on average on TOP of that context.

    And those lies above and beyond the foundation of lies are incredibly pernicious. Like the one that said he actually won the popular vote because 3-5 million “illegals” voted for Clinton. And he’s followed that up with the commission on “voter fraud” that is really an excuse for more voter suppression.

    Or, the one that says immigrants are forcing wages down for Americans and taking away their jobs. Obama didn’t go there. I don’t even remember Bush trying to make that bogus case. Wages are suppressed because that’s the internal logic of capitalism. There is a direct conflict of interest between ownership and workers, which always goes back to this: If ownership wants more money they have to take more FROM workers. That’s the biggest source for increased compensation at the top and bigger profits.

    Trump lied to his voters and basically promised them higher wages and more jobs because he’d slash immigration, which has zero actual impact on those wages. And, he told them he could grow the economy faster than anyone else as he slashes immigration, when, in reality, it will force a contraction. The only way to grow is to increase the population, not decrease it. There has never been an economy that grew over any significant period of time while the population shrunk. It’s actually impossible over time for that to happen.

    Anyway, my own take is that Trump engages in all the lies we’ve seen from his predecessors, plus record levels of new lies on top of that . . . and the kind of lies are odious and divisive to a degree we haven’t seen since George Wallace.

    #71914
    wv
    Participant

    WV,

    Yes, it’s a context of lies. Definitely….

    Anyway, my own take is that Trump engages in all the lies we’ve seen from his predecessors, plus record levels of new lies on top of that . . . and the kind of lies are odious and divisive to a degree we haven’t seen since George Wallace.

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    Well, you call Trumps extra layer of lies, odious and divisive, and i just call them clownish.

    I agree there is an ‘extra layer’ with Trump. But to me the Corporotacracy that Obama/Clinton/Bush were leading was a biosphere-killer. So, that ‘extra layer’ of lies doesnt bother me as much as you. I mean to me, its like Obama shot the biosphere in the head. And Trump shot the biosphere in the head…and then riddled the body with more bullets. I cant get too upset about Trump shooting more bullets into the dead body.

    Again, no heat here. Just wv ranting. Call me…wv-kafka. 🙂
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