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wvParticipantNewt Gingrich is one of the Leading Assholes in the increasing divisiveness we are suffering from in our country right now. The government is dominated by completely shameless hypocrites who say and do the most appalling things, and blame others for it. And I don’t see how we pull back from this civil divide when hot-headed rhetoric is now fully ingrained in media marketplace, making millionaires and celebrities out of people who feed the fires of resentment.
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Well in one way yes, i agree about Newt. On the other hand i think about Hillary/Bill/Obama and what they stand for (neoliberalism) and…..ya know. Is Newt really that much worse? We could argue about it but You know my schtick by now 🙂
Assange called Trump Gonnorhea, and Hillary Cholera. I’m not sure what disease Newt is. But he’s a disease.
There’s Bernie and 99 diseases in the Senate. I guess I’m just not into pointing out that the Reps are ‘worse’ diseases than the Dem diseases. I just cant do it anymore. Its a plague. I’m more interested in the general broad fact of…the plague.
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wvParticipantIt’s really no mystery why people choose a six-pack and a television rather than read books by John Stockwell.
We are so fucking doomed.
Interestingly enough, Stockwell doesn;t think that way.
I generally find that people with the most negative assessments are just prone to that, personally. I don’t think it’s analysis. I think it’s a predisposition.
Do I have a different predisposition? Yes. Is it BETTER? No, obviously. It’s just different. I see myself as a kind of cautiously optimistic Vulcan.
So, live long and post on.

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What evidence are you basing your ‘cautious optimism’ on ?
Cause the air, water, and ground are getting more polluted everyday.
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wvParticipantThe CIA has never been one thing. It has never been unified either. Just as the Hoover FBI isn’t the same thing as the current FBI. So what is it now? Well not the little sisters of the poor, but, it is interesting to ask.
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Well to me, thats like saying “Charles Manson has never been one thing.”
True, Manson is probably nice to his mother, and gives to charity and brushes his teeth. But the bad parts of Manson are…ya know.
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wvParticipantThe mainstream-corporate articles are vague
The last 2 articles on this in this thread are from Vox and Mother Jones, so this way too conveniently over general idea that mainstream news is always one single identifiable homogeneous thing doesn’t apply in this case.
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I dont think the MSM is “one single identifiable homogeneous thing” but i think its pretty close.
I dont consider M.Jones to be part of the MSM. I dunno anything about Vox.
At any rate, i still dont know what ‘exactly’ the ‘hacking’ accomplished. I dont know the specifics. Did they delete a single solitary vote?
Obama didnt think they did enough to even justify saying anything to the public. That says a lot to me, considering the rooskies were trying to help a Republicrat.
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wvParticipantWell assuming any or some of that is true (for the sake of argument) I still dont understand what the ‘russian hackers’ could accomplish. The mainstream-corporate articles are vague on this ‘hacking’ — were they Deleting votes? Were they making it impossible for voters to vote for Hillary? What exactly did the hackers do?
I also think this stood out:
“…Some inside the Obama administration wanted to go public with the information. But the White House decided against it, claiming it wasn’t worth risking people’s faith in the election’s integrity.”So when all was said and done, Obama didnt think enough damage was
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wvParticipantIt seems like a slow drip-drip-drip towards fascism. The problem for Republicans is that impeaching Trump is political suicide. An impeachment is going to be followed by a house-cleaning of the GOP. Being hitched to the Trump wagon is dangerous, too, because there may well be backlash in 2018 and 2020. But impeachment is almost certain death. They are in a tight spot. And they won’t bail on Trump until it becomes clear that sticking with Trump is certain death. Trump’s unpopularity has to reach a level in enough districts to make GOP incumbents on the losing side of the polls within their districts before they will turn on him in desperation to save their own jobs. This, actually, is our best and most realistic hope. We certainly don’t need the entire GOP. Just enough of them to create a majority with the Democrats. Weirdly, it may take FOX to assist in this. There has been a little bit of head-shaking on that network. That needs to increase, and for that to increase, there has to be more smoking guns.
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Luckily for all of civilization,
Mr Pence is standing by.I agree with Noam, btw — i think the Reps are the most dangerous organization in world history.
And thats APART from Trump.
Trump is a separate issue and sui generis.
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wvParticipantHere’s the supposedly ‘left’ Guardian on Corbyn. (the BBC was about the same on Corbyn)
wvParticipantI’m guessing its not making a dent,
Nope.
Not a dent.
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In one of those vids someone (j oliver?) quuotes a leading Rep as excusing Trump by saying “well, he’s new at this…blah blah” — and i was thinking that will play just fine with the Replicants. That will work. They think of Trump as the outsider and the ‘Naive Mr Smith goes to Washington” type of guy.
A testament to corporate propaganda, or whatever ya want ta call it.
I also wonder how this is playing to the middle-of-the-roaders. That nebulous group that is neither solid Dem or Solid Rep.
…ps…as far as the ‘what happened’ part of this — fwiw, i have zero doubt Trump fired Comey coz Comey was investigating Trumps boys, and thus was ‘disloyal’.
Trumps word against Comey’s though. Unlike Nixon Trump was not vain enough to tape everything he said.
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wvParticipantThis is a ‘what happened’ thread, and i have nothing to say about that, but,I’m interested in how this is all playing in the red-staters-minds.
So somebody keep an eye out for info on how this is all playing to Right-wingers or Trump-voters.
I’m guessing its not making a dent, but i dunno.
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wvParticipantIn regard to capitalism. I think SOME capitalism can be a good thing, as long as it is tightly regulated. My God–without it would we have fidget spinners?
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I gave a fidget spinner to a prosecutor last week. I put some glitter on it too.
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wvParticipantThe scarcity thing was Lee Camp. Funny guy. I have been thinking about Lee Camp, Colbert, and Jon Stewart today. Camp is the ‘leftist’. Cobert and Stewart are the ‘liberals’. 🙂
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wvParticipantAlso, WV:
Would enjoy reading your ideas of having an economic mix. It sounds like you’re saying mostly socialism, with a dash of capitalism. Would like to hear your thoughts on why you think it’s important to have that mix, etc.
After my sudden burst of posts today, I’ll go silent again for a bit and check back later. Will just read what you’ve written and let it sink in, etc. No comments until next weekend, at the earliest.
Take care, all.
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Well, yes, a ‘dash of capitalism’ is all I’d want.
But again, my brain just wont ‘go there’ anymore — ie, my brain just wont spend time imagining utopias, or my personal vision of a just society, etc. My brain just wont do it anymore. We have a history that we are stuck with. A constitution written by white-male-capitalists. A long history of various kinds of capitalist propaganda. Our institutions, schools, religions, media, etc have been captured by capitalist ideas (mostly). Corporate-capitalism has colonized most Americans minds now.
Given that, I just ‘set my personal utopia-visions aside’ in my brain. Its too painful to even consider them in a large scale. (though there’s always small-scale intentional community visions that appeal to me)
I’m left with the here-and-now policies of the Bernies and the Jills. Even THAT seems like pie-in-the-sky most of the time. Ah well.
Time for me to water my plants and dig in the earth a bit. Gardening keeps me sane.
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wvParticipantMy view is that it accurately describes most leftists. Not all of them, of course. It doesn’t describe your views, for example, if I read you correctly. Or WV’s — who sees corporate capitalism as the problem, not capitalism itself.
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Well, corporate-capitalism iz what we got, so thats what i talk about. As far as some other kind of capitalism that might be regulated and tamed — i dunno, BT. I can envision a socialist system with a little capitalism mixed in.
I dont spend much time anymore thinking about wv-ram’s idea of ‘utopia’. Ya know. It aint here now, and it gonna happen, so i dont spend a lotta time thinking about it. For me it comes too close to ‘day dreaming’.
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wvParticipantI’m a tiny bit concerned about the alliance with the DUP, though. The Tories have formed a government with an even MORE conservative party in order to form a government (at least, so it appears. I’m going to contact a couple Brit friends of mine to see what they’re thinking). But looks like May herself won’t last the year as PM, and Brexit is all fucked up now.
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i found this article useful. Its a bit of history of the Labor party etc. Written before the election :
aljazeera:http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/06/uk-general-election-corbyn-labour-unknown-170601110228591.htmlw
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wvParticipantYeah, one of my female-friends saw it and liked it. She thought it was the first time Hollywood has done a decent female-super-hero character.
I have no desire to see it though. I’m boycotting super-hero movies until Hollywood makes a marxist super-hero.
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Jeremy Corbyn was just 2,227 votes away from becoming Prime MinisterWinning seven Tory knife-edge seats would have put Labour leader in Downing Street
Harriet Agerholm
@HarrietAgerholm
The Independent OnlineJeremy Corbyn was just 2,227 votes away from becoming Prime Minister in the general election, new analysis has revealed.
If the Labour leader had won seven marginal Conservative seats and formed a so-called “progressive alliance” with all other smaller parties – barring the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) – it would have been enough to command a working majority.
The Labour Party has said it was prepared to form a coalition government, with Mr Corbyn announcing: “We are ready to serve.”
However, if the Conservative Party had won just 287 more votes needed to secure five knife-edge Labour seats, they would have commanded a majority alone.
The calculation comes as the Tories were reeling from the loss of their majority, which it had looked as though they would substantially increase when Theresa May called the election in April.
The DUP, which increased its number of seats to 10, said it was working on a deal with the Tories whereby it would support them on a vote-by-vote basis.
With seven more Tory constituencies falling to him, a coalition of Labour, Liberal Democrats, Scottish National Party (SNP), Plaid Cymru, the Green Party and one independent MP in the House of Commons would have held 322 seats — enough for Mr Corbyn to enter number 10.
This figure is based on Labour winning Kensington, where counting has been suspended until Friday evening.
The Green Party, SNP, Plaid Cymru have all spoken in favour of alliances, although the Liberal Democrats – for whom a coalition with the Conservatives has already proved devastating – had ruled out joining with other parties.
Seven Tory constituencies, including those held by Home Secretary Amber Rudd and former minister Stephen Crabb, were won with small majorities in the tens or hundreds, including Southampton Itchen, Preseli Pembrokeshire, Hastings and Rye and Chipping Barnet.
Had the Conservatives seized five seats including Dudley North, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Crew and Nantwich and Canterbury from Labour – seats where Mr Corbyn’s party won by a small margin – Theresa May would have gone into Brexit negotiations with a majority in the Commons.
However, even this would have been a huge disappointment to Mrs May, who claimed the reason she called the election was to secure a more substantial mandate for Brexit, as it would still have represented a much weaker position than the one from which she called the election.
wvParticipantCounterpunch:http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/08/why-corbyn-might-just-win/
by Michael Barker
On Friday morning the vast majority of the world may well have a lot to celebrate, a principled socialist may have defied the ruling-class in becoming the Prime Minister of the world’s fifth largest economy. If this happens the world will never be the same again.
Even in opposition Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership and surging popularity has been the right-wing establishment’s worst nightmare. So a Corbyn victory will end the repetitive nightmares of such elites, if only because they will never be able to sleep soundly under his principled leadership of the British economy.
Yet amidst peaking hysterical theatrics about the coming of the devil himself, the Tory press are not so stupid as to fail to acknowledge the real threat posed by Corbyn to their own tax h(e)avens.
The Daily Express thus reports with horror “The Prime Minister’s bungled manifesto launch and ‘dementia tax’ U-turn has turned voters away, while Jeremy Corbyn’s left-wing manifesto has proved hugely popular.” Whitehall officials are reportedly being “told to prepare for hung parliament.”
An outcome that “If accurate,” the Express explains, “would represent a massive failure for the Conservatives, who were enjoying a double-digit lead when Theresa May called the snap election.” (June 7)
Or as the Daily Mail has recently been forced to admit, “Labour has strengthened in the polls, to the point at which it is just conceivable — if still unlikely — that we could be waking up to a Jeremy Corbyn premiership on Friday morning.” (June 6) “The party has experienced a stunning reversal of fortunes since the snap election was called, going from being 24 points behind the Conservatives to a single point behind in a poll released earlier this week.” (June 7)
Everything is to play for — all the more so because polls are notorious for their inability to predict when the British public are readying themselves to bloody the nose of the establishment.
Corbyn’s rise to the leadership of what is now Western Europe’s largest social-democratic party has already vindicated socialist ideas as an alternative to capitalism, and this election will bring hope to the many, and cold sweats to the few.
June 8, 2017 at 7:24 am in reply to: Would a Tavon Austin for Eric Decker trade make sense for Rams, Jets? #69806
wvParticipantI can talk about food. My last meal was a salad. A really simple salad. Just iceberg lettuce, stuffed green olives, ritz crackers and Ott’s Original dressing. It is like a French dressing with a bit of horseradish.Almost forgot. I chopped up a couple boiled eggs and added them to the salad.
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I had gifilte fish the other day. There’s horseradish involved with that.
Which means its relevant.w
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wvParticipantIn that last vid:
On Trump
“…you have narcissism on steroids, which is beyond what we’ve ever seen, combined with a paranoia which is Nixonian, and a dystopian world-view, those three mixed together…”
(former governor of NY)
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wvParticipantBill Maher — “I feel like I’m binge-watching the Fall of the Roman Empire, set to the music of Benny Hill”
wvParticipantGood article.
I have a statue of Putin on a white horse in front of my house, btw. 🙂
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wvParticipant“….also said that one way to glean that the “deal is real” is when Israel wants a deal of their own, since the Israelis will want to keep their edge over their Arab neighbors…”
Pause,
and think about how pathological the corporotacracy really is — The weapons industries in particular. They sell to one nation, knowing that then rival nations will want to keep up, and on and on and on the weapons-race goes.w
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The Unexpected Afterlife of American Communism
[Red Century]Sarah Jaffe
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…….The party inspired loyalty for reasons beyond simply an affinity for Marxist ideas. It was the campaigns Communists ran against police brutality, the practice of lynching and the Jim Crow laws that made their politics relevant to the lives of ordinary people. In the North as well as the South, on soapboxes on the streets of Harlem as well as on plots of sharecropped land in Alabama, Communist organizing addressed the bread-and-butter concerns of black people.Communists believed that organizing the working class would work only if white workers realized that their liberation, too, was bound up with the fate of black workers. Facing this threat, anti-Communists and segregationists worked hard to sustain the fractures. They blamed Communists for fomenting “race mixing,” evoking sexualized fears that social equality would mean black men having sex with white women — the very fears that put the Scottsboro Boys on trial. In turn, when black people agitated for civil rights, the Bull Connors of the world called such demands Communist-inspired, returning to the same narrative of dangerous outsiders.
Such an argument said, in effect, that black people had to be whipped up by radical foreigners in order to challenge the remnants of slavery in the Jim Crow South, and that without those outsiders, America was, to steal a phrase from the 2016 election, already great. The view also ignores that it was the black members of the Communist Party U.S.A., raised in such circumstances, who made it clear that their struggles for economic independence were bound up with the racist violence they faced from both the police and white supremacist groups.
Those black Communists often had to fight to hold their party accountable to its professed ideals when the party shifted its strategy toward courting white liberals. The debates that resurfaced during the 2016 election cycle, about the primacy of race or class in left-wing organizing, particularly around the primary campaign of Bernie Sanders, echoed these past battles.
In the 1930s, the party taught its members to discuss their problems using the language of exploitation. This language meant that people “understood that racism and what they called male chauvinism wasn’t simply people acting badly or being psychologically controlled or being ignorant,” Professor Kelley said. “It was about the benefits that they derived from exploitative relationships.”…see link…
June 6, 2017 at 6:42 am in reply to: People Who Say Society is Too PC Haven't Experienced Discrimination #69743
wvParticipantYeah, that seems true.
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