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May 25, 2017 at 9:15 am in reply to: Donald not at OTAs…now morphed into, do you pay Donald & how much thread #69291
sanbaggerParticipantSB–as you know, whereas a lot of boards have fancy bells and whistles, ours is an old-fashioned steam engine board. Therefore it has a quirk or 2
Yea…my fault…I knew it as soon as I posted, then I ran and hid…lol.
Thanks for cleaning up my mess.
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May 25, 2017 at 8:45 am in reply to: Donald not at OTAs…now morphed into, do you pay Donald & how much thread #69288sanbaggerParticipant. I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson
TruJo has signed his tender offer making that money fully guaranteed…unless he fails to maintain his excellent physical condition…that is the only out.
Teams can rescind a franchise tag up till the player signs it.
Maybe they can do a deal? If not, it is only one year.
I think that’s the plan….but then again, perhaps they are waiting to see how much the AD contract is gonna strap them before moving forward with TruJo.
This could easily be a 1 and done deal for him IMO.
May 25, 2017 at 8:20 am in reply to: Donald not at OTAs…now morphed into, do you pay Donald & how much thread #69285sanbaggerParticipant. I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson
TruJo has signed his tender offer making that money fully guaranteed…unless he fails to maintain his excellent physical condition…that is the only out.
Teams can rescind a franchise tag up till the player signs it.
May 25, 2017 at 7:29 am in reply to: Donald not at OTAs…now morphed into, do you pay Donald & how much thread #69284sanbaggerParticipantAlso, signing bonuses are typically paid out in full at the front end of the contract. Teams would rather not do that. They prefer to spread it out. Andy benoit has some good stuff in various podcasts about how contracts are seen and negotiated
Signing bonuses are typically paid in full at the time of signing as part of the guaranteed moneies, but they usually spread it out over the duration of the contract to minimize the cap hit.
From what I have read he absolutely can receive a signing bonus when getting an extension and it can be prorated…see the Terrel Suggs extension. The way to stay out of Cap purgatory is to avoid prorating, but it is necessary evil and just about every contract I have looked at has this…the Rams do this but front load as much guaranteed money as possible.
I missed the part of your post about his asking price earlier in this thread…due to I checked last night before hittin the sack…saw it just now so I’m gonna check that out.
I agree 75 mil guaranteed is way too high but it all comes down to percentage
May 24, 2017 at 8:30 pm in reply to: Donald not at OTAs…now morphed into, do you pay Donald & how much thread #69263sanbaggerParticipantI read that Donald is asking $125M over 6 yrs., with $70M guaranteed.
There’s a fear that they might have to cut someone in 2017 cause of this deal. I don’t see it. They could convert his 2017 money into a signing bonus and then park a huge guaranteed roster bonus in 2018. That is, as long as they have 2018 cap space (which of course they do) then they can leave 2017 relatively alone.
As I see it, the deal is “How do you want to model your Salary Cap?”. I prefer the “Keep your very best players if you get value.”. Value is subjective. They can certainly manipulate the salary, as you suggest. That is why I think the guaranteed money will be spread over 3 years. I think they prefer yearly roster bonuses to a signing bonus, although they might use both methods. And just guaranteeing the base salary for a number of years.
They still need to find 6 or 7 million for operating expenses for 2017. I would cut, if I could, Trumaine Johnson. I think his contract sux.
But, they can work the Salary Cap and fit it all in or just make a judgement on how they want to structure their Cap Model going forward. I don’t see it as a big deal.Ogletree is on the books for 8.4 million this year. They could extend him and work his figure to help the Cap for this year. Cut Harkey for minor savings. Convert Barron’s base salary of 5 million. They might be able to convert some salary to incentives? I am not sure that works, but maybe they can? I think they could do more, but I would not recommend it.&
I think they’ll give him a sizable signing bonus paid up front but prorated through the contract.
His cap hit is already only around 3 mil this year..he could end up taking home 20 mil this year but only cost around 6 mil…that would only be 3 mil of cap space they have to come up WITH.
I really don’t see it being a problem fitting it in….I think they may be having more of a hard time figuring out the guaranteed money at this point.
The Rams have been pretty stead fast with front loading all their contracts so they have an out around 3-4 years…I don’t see that trend ending now.
sanbaggerParticipantI think there should be a special designated area, on the sideline
for all narcissistic displays by prima donnas. Like a litle stage. With strobe lights and solid-gold-dancers in the background.Oh no…If they have designated dancers we will surely be headed to a whole Katy Perry/Taylor Swift drama…I can just hear it now “Tavon stole my dancers”
May 24, 2017 at 9:39 am in reply to: Goff's ninth game? articles on Goff in OTAs & mini-camp & up to training camp #69231sanbaggerParticipantGood article…thanks for posting.
After reading that it just reinforces what I have believed…how can some already believe Goff is a bust after that debacle last year? The entire offense was a mess and Goff was trying to learn while starting from behind.
I also don’t look at it like this is a make or break year for him, he has shown qualities that are rare for a young guy and has proven to me he is committed and I believe that’s half the battle….now….will that translate? TBD
May 24, 2017 at 8:05 am in reply to: OTAs general coverage thread starting 5/22…vids, highlights, audios, articles #69228sanbaggerParticipantVincent Bonsignore @DailyNewsVinny
2. That said, Mike Thomas seems to have made strides. Hard not to notice Josh Reynolds. This is a good offense for Cooper Kupp’s skill setI enjoyed that entire article but specifically wanted to discuss this point.
I have been a big fan of Thomas and have believed he was going to show up this year so this is encouraging news. If he can haul the ball in in, I love his fire and he seems to be the exact type of player McV covets.
Wonder what was meant by “hard not to notice JR”? Is that because of size or was he standing out on the field?
I think Kupp’s skill set translates to just about any offense.
sanbaggerParticipantFor me…it has to be Kupp.
Seems to me this guy is a very hard worker, determined, and self confident…all qualities that lead to success.
A close second would be Reynolds and Jones…players I’m very interested to watch.
sanbaggerParticipantI’m just glad there’s a new coaching staff, new eyes, new brains, to evaluate the personnel on this team. I lost faith in the old regime. A fresh new set of brains to look at the Tavons and Spruces and GRobs and Saffolds and such. I like it.
Yea…I agree.
I think it was time for a change….not quite sure I agreed with the in season canning as it seems it was meant as a splash type of an event and not really beneficial to the team.
I do feel that this regime has brought in a lot of experience on the O side all in an effort to get this team rolling….will TA be a part of it?
sanbaggerParticipantZn…I took the post as a joke and had a laugh (thanks, I needed it)…little frustrated today so I was short with the reply…didn’t mean to imply anything else.
What I was trying to say was I feel the offense is in better hands and if it is a TA issue we are gonna find out and conversely if it was a scheme issue we should find that out as well, hence the revisit it later comment.
I have long believed the offensive scheme was terrible for TA and finally feel now we are gonna find out.
sanbaggerParticipantNo wars…just discussion…I call peace and revisit later.
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sanbaggerParticipantMcVay didn’t pick TA and if he doesn’t want to work that kind of Tavony stuff into the offense, then, that’s what happens when you get a new coach
You made some good points most of which we have discussed…I grabbed this one because there’s a couple of things I would like to discuss here.
You’re right…McV didn’t draft TA and it would be easier for him to move away from him then it would for Fisher…I also, his contract becomes friendlier in the next 2 years…still a good hit next year so I kinda believe he has 2 years to keep his spot.
The other item is…LaFleur comes from ATL and they utilized Gariel in some of the same ways STL used TA….so it’s not an unknown to him….we’ll see if McV is hard and fast with his system, as you believe, or is willing to let his system evolve, which is more of my belief.
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sanbaggerParticipantThe post acknowledged people within the organization are impressed with the progress the recent No. 1 overall pick has made this offseason. But even though it also mentions backup quarterback Sean Mannion made strides, take it with a grain of salt
I could not agree more…I even doubt the validity of that article.
IMO, it’s a moot point anyway as I have always believed Goff surpassed Manion last year as the superior QB…even with his struggles.
May 18, 2017 at 8:35 am in reply to: Apparently 5'8" WR Shakeir Ryan of Northwestern State has made a big impression #68981sanbaggerParticipant4.41 40 at 5’8 means every corner is taller than you and faster than you. I,m going to keep my expectations low on this one
I checked the 2017 combine results for cornerbacks and in a class that was highly regarded I only found 4 guys that posted a time better than 4.41
5’8 is short but not unheard of….I believe separation is more important than height…but that is just my opinion.
As I have stated, I’m more concerned about the 160 lbs….I just think he’s too slight to hold up and would have to add muscle.
sanbaggerParticipantDo you think all the stupid penalties will disappear?
Man I hope so…I’ve always felt that penalties fall on the coaches…new regime, new results is the plan/hope.
sanbaggerParticipantVegas odds aren’t based on indepth football analysis. They’re based on a thorough understanding of how to get people to place bets.
Not so sure about that…they aren’t in the business to lose money…as the bets swell the odds change, that’s why some like to get their bets in early to take advantage of what they perceive are favorable odds.
The Rams are coming off of a disastrous year, have a completely new regime in charge, and didn’t have a 1st round draft pick….of course they are gonna start as underdogs until they prove otherwise.
sanbaggerParticipantRams are not favored in any game in 2017?
Does anyone take that seriously at this point?
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Some gamblers do…but that’s really it.
May 17, 2017 at 1:52 pm in reply to: Apparently 5'8" WR Shakeir Ryan of Northwestern State has made a big impression #68951sanbaggerParticipantShort slow guy (comparatively)? NEXT
I’m not so sure he’s slow…4.41 isn’t a slow time and he sure looked fast in that high light real.
The combine type 40 time is something I look at but I also realize not all of these guys are track guys…so things like getting off the blocks costs them whereas a track sprinter guy helps himself.
Jerry Rice is always a good one to look at…what did he run a 4.7? something like that…no way was he a 4.7 guy.
The reports coming out early about him are encouraging…I’m more concerned with his weight and his durability…can he put on some weight and maintain speed?
sanbaggerParticipantWell…he sure gave a good interview, said all the right things.
Lets hope all that translates on the field.
Again, McV referred to a player as almost a coach on the field. It is becoming more evident that McV places a high priority on intelligence from his players.
May 17, 2017 at 8:16 am in reply to: Apparently 5'8" WR Shakeir Ryan of Northwestern State has made a big impression #68926sanbaggerParticipantIs it just me or does he remind of a slightly smaller version of TA?
I was thinking almost the samething… only I was thinking a bigger version of Tavon….
I know that the program guide states that Tavon is 5’9″, but that seems to be an alternative fact to me…. Tavon looks smaller than Dave Meggett
What happened to the Harold Carmichael’s of the world?
Yea…I never believe any of the heights the team distributes so I looked at the combine and they had him at 69 inches.
Really though I was referring to TA seems built much more solidly than Shak…I saw some pics of TA last year and he looked ripped….not that I’m in love or anything.
I also was interested in Shaks 40 time and I found he ran a 4.41 so a touch slower…not sure this guy sticks but he could possibly be a PS guy.
sanbaggerParticipantAt 3 minutes in it gives Tavon’s top speed as 18.85 mph. Tavon is really quick, but his top end speed isn’t as spectacular. The fastest guys hit 22.6 mph. See this post. How Fast is Fast. => http://theramshuddle.com/topic/how-fast-is-fast/
That is his top speed at the end of his 40, so maybe he has more than that?
All I know is he ran a 4.25 at the combine…that equates to quick and fast in my book.
May 16, 2017 at 1:49 pm in reply to: Apparently 5'8" WR Shakeir Ryan of Northwestern State has made a big impression #68898sanbaggerParticipantIs it just me or does he remind of a slightly smaller version of TA?
sanbaggerParticipantSorry…I didn’t answer the question in my reply….I think TA has a 2 year audition and I think…surprise….he proves his mettle and becomes what we have hoped he would be
sanbaggerParticipantSince IMO Tavon is a unique talent who can’t be used in any of the roles McVay had in Washington (he’s not DeSean, he’s not Crowder) then McVay is basically doing this–either Tavon fits what I am doing or I don’t need him. And trying to make him into DeSean, IMO, will not work.My view is we already know he’s not DeSean. In fact my view is that it;s a kind of a waste of time to try and make him into that
My view is, in the other offense the D’s knew Tavon was gonna turn it in…the plan was to get TA the ball as soon as possible and let his natural talents take over..this allowed the D to “squat” on him…yet he still broke plays from time to time.
I believe if they actually commit to hitting TA in depth routes….and I’m not just talking about 9 routes…I’m talking about deep (20 yds) in’s and outs, crossing patterns, and comebacks…then that will make his short stuff more accessible and can only help him….I believe that was what McV was referring to and is something I have long believed.
Now…the QB actually has to deliver the ball on time and accurate and TA has to catch the ball.
Last year, when Keenum was the QB, and the Rams were winning TA was catching everything and I even made a post about it….in fact the receivers were helping CK out….of course that all changed but the fact is he can do it IMO.
sanbaggerParticipantYea…not sure why people are hesitant about Barron fitting in as a MO LBer…only I can think of is his weight and I don’t give that much credence.
I admit…I liked the idea of Tree staying outside and getting a bigger MLBer last year but both guys proved they could handle their spots…no concern for me at all there.
sanbaggerParticipantYes I like them. Would prefer the facemask to be grey, though. The white facemask stands out too much.
See…I like the white facemask and I also agree with Canada regarding the jersey’s,m although I think the plan is to change them when they move in to the new stadium.
sanbaggerParticipantI believe McV plans on moving TA around and even handing the ball off…maybe not the ‘up the gut’ runs we have seen in the past, but I’m positive we’ll see some Jet sweeps and the like.
I’m not so sure about the whole “pure receiver’ thing….what I’m sure of is he has had more drops than he should have…I put him as inconsistent at this point, he has stretches when he just catches everything and stretches when the ball bounces off his hands like bullets off of Superman.
I think the whole ‘gets lost running deep routes’ is just an armchair explanation…it is a fact shorter guys can be successful down the field, but they have to have a good operating O to be able to do this. Name a small receiver on a terrible O that exploited other teams down the field.
The Fisher led Rams did throw downfield but they used TA to try and keep the D close…as a decoy…that was what TA’s duties were quite a bit… Now as Dylan said “times, they are a changin’
Oh…in case you didn’t know…I’m a TA guy.
sanbaggerParticipantNot saying that’s what happened and in fact I am not taking sides. My point is simply that any narrative that favors one over the other in that situation can easily be reversed, because the truth is we don’t know the details and speculation can include all kinds of opposing scenarios.
BTW, in case anyone reads it differently, I am glad they retained Snead and I don’t have issues with him.
I agree with all of that.
sanbaggerParticipantFisher went away for a normal vacation and relegated signing Jenkins to Snead. See if Demoff does more than simply do the contracts, then, he is interfering in football issues. Jenkins apparently didn’t like the process and walked, and Fisher blamed Snead for it.
That’s the 1st I’ve heard that…not saying it’s not true, just never heard it before.
That said…if signing JJ was that high of a priority and if Snead was an underling that Fish handed off for Snead to take care of….then I would think he would have given some guidance, in other words a high end threshold for $.
From what I read the Rams wanted him in the 9 mil range and JJ wanted more…and got it elsewhere. Was the 9 mil range set by Fisher, Snead, Demoff, Whiz kid, street vendor or dartboard?
I understand taking a vacation, I’m goin on one myself next week, but if signing JJ was of that great importance to him, I would think he should have been able to be reached by Cell phone, email, carrier pigeon, or smoke signal…something.
Sorry man…that kinda lame excuse from him…if that’s what it was, and it sure reads that way, just kinda irritates me. I was fine when I thought they set a number on him and he just exceeded what they felt they could exceed…now you give me a piece that reads a lot like Larry left town and Moe and Curley couldn’t fix the plumbing.
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