Zooey wrote:

Career YPA Montana (tied for 30th all time) 7.5/yds.
Career YPA Goff (tied for 24th all time) 7.6/yds.

Here’s some perspective on that:

just looking at ypa. and i think comparing across eras is difficult. it’s more informative to me to see how each player compares to his contemporaries.

here are montana’s rankings among his contemporaries just looking at ypa.

1979 – not even ranked in the top 30
1980 – 22nd
1981 – 9th
1982 – 8th
1983 – 8th
1984 – 2nd
1985 – 7th
1986 – 12th
1987 – 6th
1988 – 8th
1989 – 1st
1990 – 6th
1991 – injured
1992 – not enough attemps to qualify

jared goff
2016 – not even ranked in the top 30
2017 – 3rd
2018 – 4th
2019 – 14th
2020 – 13th

and then looking at aaron rodgers from 2008 until today.
2008 – 9th
2009 – 6th
2010 – 2nd
2011 – 1st
2012 – 5th
2013 – 2nd
2014 – 2nd
2015 – 30th
2016 – 13th
2017 – 18th
2018 – 17th
2019 – 8th
2020 – 6th

so…

dunno…

maybe the rams need a deep threat? defenses don’t respect the rams’ deep threat right now. they did when cooks was a ram…

• This reply was modified 5 years, 6 months ago by InvaderRam.

Agamemnon wrote:

I like Bulger. Goff I am just ok with.

mmmm… need more data.

zn wrote:

Now I know it’s after a tough loss and the first tendency is to automatically blame the qb.

if that’s all he missed i’d agree. but he had a bad game. and he’s turning the ball over at an alarming rate.

having said that calling him a 10-15 qb is hardly a slight. but i can definitely name 10 qbs who i think are better than him.

at the same time that’s a far cry from saying he’s a bad qb.

wv wrote:

Has he hit his celing? In a slump? Pressing?

i don’t think he’s as bad as this game. but for me i’m calling it. the numbers are in.

he’s slightly above average – a 10-15 qb. he could get marginally better but he’s starting to plateau.

very poor game by goff and mcvay.

defense did their job. gave up only 16 points and scored 7 themselves.

running game was stifled outside of that one big gain. but they did score a td.

but 4 turnovers? that was a killer.

oh. i’m not saying average at best.

i’m saying average at worst.

zn wrote:

Well, to me it doesn’t. To me it just means season averages can be deceptive. They can hide the way one bad patch can be followed by a long good patch. The qb hit a valley, learned from it, got steadier. The real 15th rank qb does not play like Goff did Monday.

If he continues to be up and down, then the average makes sense.

If across 8 games after Miami he plays significantly better than he did in the 2nd quarter of the season then the average is hiding something.

we’ll find out soon enough. like i said. this season and one more year. 22 more games. possibly 38 more games. most likely 22 games.

his game against tampa bay was good. not great. passers against tampa bay average around 91. goff had a 98 passer rating.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by InvaderRam.

he’s 15th in passer rating.

18th in ypa.

8th in passing yards.

15th in completion percentage.

he’s been about average this year. i think his ceiling is above average. good. but not great. not top 5. possibly top 10. but at least consistently 10-15. at least.

i wouldn’t say it’s just the playcalling though.

right before the bucs scored to tie the game, the rams just had a terrible sequence. there was the missnap, and then goff just throws a brainfart of an interception.

i’m not saying this is all on goff. but the offense as a whole just seems to have these huge mental errors. consistently. all season. some of it is goff. some of it is mcvay. and like with that missnap it is other players on offense.

i’m just not sure what is going on.

on mcvay specifically. he just turtles it sometimes when i feel like he should be more aggressive and go for the killshot.

the rams outgained the bucs 413 to 251. they possessed the ball 33:13 to the bucs 26:47. turnovers were even 2-2.

yet they only win by 3 points??? that’s concerning to me. is it a win? sure. so i can’t complain too much. but still. if we’re talking about superbowl aspirations, this has to be concerning. and it’s not just this game. it’s been all season.

but also. damn. that defense. held the bucs to 251 yards? that’s crazy. that’s awesome. so good to see.

Zooey wrote:

What I don’t like is the Rams’ placekicker, whoever that is this week.

yeah. could be the difference in the game…

toughest game of the season so far.

i’m pretty sure the defense handles the tb offense.

i just have no idea if the rams offense shows up. or more specifically if goff shows up.

have yet to watch the game, but i saw that whit was carted off for a knee injury?

well that sucks.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by InvaderRam.

zn wrote:

Young also said DC Brandon Staley showed them clips of 7-on-7 work from training camp to show how tangible their progress has been and how good they can become.

yeah. reps. this defense needed reps. and with more reps they should get even better. especially with robinson coming back. fuller coming back. lewis hopefully getting more comfortable.

i hope the rams can keep staley just a little bit longer.

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