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ZooeyModeratorJeff Flake says ‘at least 35’ Republican senators would privately vote to impeach Trump
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeff-flake-35-gop-senators-impeach-trumpZooeyModeratorYou guys may have seen this, but Jeff Flake said that if the impeachment vote were private rather than public, about 35 Republican senators would vote to impeach Trump. His support is razor thin and completely dependent upon Fear of Reprisal (from voters or the party machine).
I wanna say that, in my study of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (as well as my personal experience with narcissists), one characteristic is the complete inability to accept blame for anything. They have a extremely strong compulsion to deflect any criticism at all.
I think that we could see a Great Unraveling.
Trump already said to the cameras that Pence’s phone calls should be looked at. Whether there is anything there or not, he is pushing his VP into the spotlight as a deflective shield. And he won’t hesitate to do that to ANYBODY (with the exception of Ivanka).
There are a lot of people involved in this. Trump didn’t classify all these phone calls in an inappropriate place. He isn’t smart enough to do that, and probably has no understanding of classifications anyway. Somebody else did that. Probably multiple people. And we’ve just started on this. Given what we’ve seen over the past 3 years, does anybody doubt that there is an exceedingly long and impressive list of illegal maneuvers like this that have taken place to cover up the narcissistic lawlessness of this overconfident, entitled, ignorant, and frankly stupid man?
The more Trump unravels, the more people are going to try to save themselves, and the more people who head for the lifeboats, the more he is going to unravel.
And there are already people who have left – Tillerson and others – who may decide to speak their minds.
Dunno. Hate making predictions because I get so many wrong, and that’s humiliating. But this looks like the beginning of the Grand Finale in a 3-year long fireworks show. And I say that based mostly on my certainty of what to expect from Donald Trump. It IS safe to predict that he will lose his shit. A “normal” person might be patient and ride out the storm, tacking this way and that, absorbing a hit here and there with an eye on the shore, but Trump is not that guy. He’s not. And nobody has been able to restrain him yet.
ZooeyModeratorOh…and another thing on Hedges…
Hillary Clinton hiring a law firm that hires FusionGPS that hires Christopher Steele is not equivalent legally or morally to what Trump did. I don’t think I even need to explain that claim.
ZooeyModeratorBilly_T wrote:
Apologies for actual opinion posts in the meme thread.Yeah, and I’m going to respond, so…zn…maybe you could cut this all and start a new thread with Hedges as the anchor?
IMO, this is more than just about Trump. It’s about the presidency…for me it is, anyway. Who knows what everyone else wants. The power of the executive has been growing, and over the decades, it has swallowed up some power that used to belong to the legislature. Trump has expanded it. And, sure, some of his crimes are the Same Old crimes that he just is too stupid to conceal. Hedges is right about that; he’s right that the oligarchy doesn’t mind what Trump does so much as the manner in which he does it. But the fact that he is doing in brazenly – $274 million in taxpayer money to go golf at his own course, for example – expands what future presidents can do without reproach. I don’t like it.
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ZooeyModeratorI do not want a Sanders Warren ticket. One of them should stay in the Senate which is at least as important as the White house. And VPs just go to funerals. That’s a waste of a progressive senator.
I like Castro as VP.
September 25, 2019 at 3:49 pm in reply to: RAMS TV Map for game 4 & informal poll — will the Rams get untracked v. Tampa? #105659ZooeyModeratorUnbelievable. That is 4-4 for me. I don’t think I’ve seen 4 games over the TV in a SEASON in two decades, and I always get 2 every year when they play the 9ers.
So…you know…selfishly…I figured this would be an advantage once they moved back to LA.
ZooeyModeratorBarr denies he knew anything about this beforehand, and that may be true. It may not be. But the fact Trump said something about Barr proves nothing in itself.
The Dems have crossed the Rubicon now. They have to go for the throat, or they are screwed. I would think that there would be calls for Barr to recuse himself soon, and I would think they would start amping up the demands for testimony, documents, etc. I don’t know what avenues are available – what citing someone for Contempt of Congress actually MEANS legally, and so on, but they better have a strategy for compelling access to some of this stuff, or we’re going to watch the Dems punch away at the air the way they have been for nearly 3 years now.
They have to get the whistle blower report. The transcript is not enough, especially since it has passed through the White House filter. The whistle blower provided context, and probably had some dots to connect to this conversation. I don’t think the transcript of the call itself is the whole picture. If it is…the Dems are probably going to fail at this.
ZooeyModeratorShe could beat Trump…because so many voters just don’t like the chaos of Trump. They would prefer a wonk to a bull in a china shop.
But Ball is right…she fits the profile of a long list of Democrat losers, and she COULD lose at the end of the campaign because she’s NOT going to get the passionate turnout the Dems need from POC and the youth vote. Those people will come out for revolution, but not for policy papers. At least not in the same numbers.
ZooeyModeratorThat was a purty good argument.
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What would be funny iz,
if the Politicians somehow impeached Trump — and then he won re-election, anyway.
(losing the popular vote again, of course )Amerika.
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vBe a lot funnier if it were a movie instead of reality.
ZooeyModeratorShe’s calling his conduct “a violation of the law.”
I read somewhere this morning that such an approach might not be the best because a president doesn’t have to violate the law to be impeached, so she may have set the bar higher than it needs to be, but I dunno about any of that.
But…here we go.
ZooeyModeratorI agree with you on the messaging, but IF they go through with it, I’m gonna wager they don’t do that. Probably they will go with some Trump the Villain narrative. That would be a mistake, but….
ZooeyModeratorYeah. Getting rid of Republicans is only Phase One, and it’s the easiest part. We then have to overpower the Democrats. And NOTHING we ever accomplish will be permanent unless we cut out the corrupting influence of money in politics. Any gains we make will only be temporary. We have to make a law that Money is NOT free speech, and corporations are not “people.” We have to get rid of legal bribery. We have to stop the revolving door between lobbying, congress, and Wall St. We have to finance elections with public money, and implement Instant Runoff Voting. We have to break up the media monopolies. We have to undo the damage the GOP has done to the judicial system. And…as wv points out, in the Senate we are outnumbered 99-1. In the House, there are no more than about 10 people who would consider doing this, and it may be fewer than that.
And…so… there goes the planet.
Bash on, regardless.
ZooeyModeratorInteresting.
Yeah, um, I think I am expecting GOff to perform better pretty damn soon. If we get 6 games into the season, and this is still where he is, the conversation about “ceiling” is going to get a little flame under it.
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ZooeyModeratorThe pressure on Mayfield was the difference in the game. Not a lot of sacks, but enough pressure to keep him off balance all night.
McVay/Goff need to adjust to the fact that defenses have adjusted to the Rams. People spent the summer studying the Rams’ games against Chicago and New England, and they need to come up with something. Goff still makes WTF throws, but I think he will continue to improve. He is still a puppy.
TB at home, then quick trip to Seattle to finish off their season. Then some time off.
ZooeyModeratorYeah. It’s over. Capitalism is in Stage 4 cancer right now, and we are basically looking at palliative care. I’m kinda curious how these completely self-sufficient billionaire bunkers are going to work out, but I won’t be around to watch that part of the story.
ZooeyModeratorGiven how we already look at the poor of other nations as animals and are trying to build a wall to keep them out, there is little hope that we will respond humanely when whole populations of them are forced to move as climate change progresses.
Yes, that’s been disturbing me for quite some time. There are going to be hundreds of millions of people displaced. Mostly poor, brown people. And they are going to head north.
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Fox’s take on it, so far:jesuschristmybrainisbleeding.
Wow.
Well…if Bleached Blonde C-Cup says so….
ZooeyModeratorI’m sorry, but the second somebody utters the phrase “progress them forward,” I’m out.
I can put up with a lot of things, but you may not tarnish the English language without consequence.
ZooeyModeratorTrump is an entirely new level of corrupt. He has moved the country from a state of polite corruption into a state of corruption in broad daylight. The really discouraging thing to me is that a significant minority of the country is perfectly okay with that. Not “Trump? Whatever.” There are 50-60 million people in this country who are “Trump? Fuck, yeah!”
That aside…if this whistle-blower thing is what it appears to be…Pelosi cannot sit on her hands any longer. This is treason. This isn’t just run of the mill malfeasance, obstruction, lying, embezzlement whatever. It’s flat out treason.
I believe Pelosi has calculated that it will be better for Dems to let Trump continue to inflame the country with his corruption, incompetence, and racist hatred than to impeach him. The dude is blowing himself up on his own petard, and the likelihood of a blue wave in 2020 is pretty good, imo. Nobody is going to incite a massive turnout like Trump. And I think that has been her thinking.
But that calculus has to go out the window if, in fact, Trump has leveraged a foreign nation in an attempt to interfere in the election.
And I think this is serious. ALL of it is serious (which is your point), but this is like Super Duper Uber Serious. An intelligence official has just galloped his horse with guidon blazing over a cliff. No matter what happens as a result of this, that person has just killed his/her own career. You cannot blow the whistle on the President and keep your day job. For somebody to do that, it has to be the Real Deal. Not some kind of librul hitjob made out of nothing. You don’t accuse the president of failing to come to a complete stop at a stop sign. This has to be a Hit and Run under the influence. You don’t throw away your career on anything less.
So. IMO this is it. If this doesn’t lead to impeachment, it’s time to pack the bags and get out because the country is officially over.
ZooeyModeratorJake W. Goldman@JakeWGoldman
Guys: “I let my wife pick all the colors for our wedding because I’m terrible with that stuff.”Also guys: “I prefer our alternate uniforms because the helmet doesn’t clash as much with our pants and compliments the secondary color we use for our jersey piping.”
Yeah…that’s not accurate.
It’s…”The alternate uniforms are better cuz the other one sucks.”
ZooeyModeratorIs there a yapper who deserves a paycheck less than Skip Bayless?
I’m not sure that anybody on the planet takes him seriously.
ZooeyModeratorWell, I’m sure people are very interested in this, and that whatever they do is going to generate controversy among fans.
I had originally thought that they would change the logo, and modify the colors based on some sort of blue/white or blue/yellow combo. Then I saw the shape of the stadium roof from above, and thought it looked very similar to the current Rams logo, and thought that must have been done on purpose. I guess not.
Anyway…the ONE THING they CAN’T do is get rid of the horns. They have to know that.
They know that, right?
I mean…they radically change the helmet, and there’s going to be a frenzy.
ZooeyModeratorChristopher Todd Massey.
It’s unbelievable that it needed to be said, but wv spends his Sundays watching the 49ers, so it’s not surprising.
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ZooeyModeratorWithout a doubt…that is the flimsiest set of arguments I have ever read.
ZooeyModeratorBash on, regardless.
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