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March 27, 2020 at 1:56 pm in reply to: Senate Democrats block mammoth coronavirus stimulus package #113049
ZooeyModeratorNo, the Veil has not been lifted. Leftists already knew all this.
The rest of the nation will stay exactly as they were. Dems will blame Reps.
Reps will blame Dems. The game will continue.The biosphere will continue circling the drain, BT.
There will not be any ‘awakening’. You cant ‘wake up’ when youve been propagandized all your life.
Watch the next Primary election. Watch the next election cycle for Senators.
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vAnd the politicians KNOW this. They know it so well that they don’t even PRETEND anymore. They just come out and say it. You know…”We’re going to come take your social security away, kill Obamacare, gut Medicare…all of it. We’re going to take every fucking cent you have and give it to rich people.” And a quarter of the people cheer this, and a quarter of them say, “Well, we need to put somebody in office who is reasonable and can make some incremental deals,” and the other half of the people stay home and don’t vote at all because it’s boring, or because it’s pointless to vote.
They just took $6,000 from every family in this country and handed it over to corporations that don’t need the money. Boeing is all like, “Well…I dunno if we are gonna take all that money if it has too many strings attached to it.” That’s how desperate they are. “Just give it to us, or no deal.”
Mitch McConnell must be laughing his ass off right now.
March 27, 2020 at 10:34 am in reply to: Senate Democrats block mammoth coronavirus stimulus package #113035
ZooeyModeratorI hadn’t thought of one aspect of this: all this money going to Corporations is going to allow them to buy up more small businesses. That’s what they are going to do with it.
March 26, 2020 at 2:17 pm in reply to: Senate Democrats block mammoth coronavirus stimulus package #112992
ZooeyModeratorGEEEZ. Whadda buncha #@)#$&.
So…$2.2 trillion, and the consensus on the thing is just…not even debatable. The only two points that held it up was the TRIVIAL amount of money given to people who ARE UNEMPLOYED, and the amount of oversight on the corporate slush fund. Those are the only things they argued about. Complete agreement on everything else, including the $500 billion slush fund.
Republicans are worried that a few people might get a couple hundred bucks more than they ordinarily would.
And Democrats fight for the pretense of oversight like they had for TARP which was next to useless.
And the Republicans…I mean…long gone is any pretense that they care about how much money the government spends. The emperor has no clothes on that, even if they cynically play that song come election season. They don’t care about the deficit. Not in real life. That’s obvious.
So…what does that SAY about their quibbling over a hundred bucks? They aren’t motivated by fiscal restraint. So…what actually motivates them to fight over this paltry sum of money?
They. Have. CONTEMPT. For. Poor. People.
Abject contempt. They WANT them to suffer. Even if that isn’t in their conscious thought – and I’m sure they would deny it. But you tell me…play devil’s advocate for me…tell me what other motive could possibly fill in the blank for why they fought over that number. Because it wasn’t about the cost to the government.
They WANT people to go back to work even though they know it’s life-threatening for people to do that, and will overwhelm our health care professionals. They don’t care. They need the engines to keep stimulating their wealth. That is their highest priority.
And Graham! Attacking nurses – NURSES! – during a pandemic!
This is the Great USA. This is Our Country.
And everybody here knows them. I’m screaming at all my friends who already know this. Fuck these people, man.
ZooeyModeratorHe certainly means the USSR, and probably China as well. The opening sentence of the essay quotes The Corporation equating communism with the church and monarchy. The American commie parties never came remotely close to any kind of institutional domination. He wasn’t attacking communism per se. We actually spoke about that opening quote, and I thought it was a great one because by acknowledging that the Communist Party (in the USSR) failed to help ordinary people, he disarmed the first and most important objection to listening to his argument which is “Oh, a commie bastard wants to attack all that is good because he hates America.”
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ZooeyModeratorYou beat me by two days. I was all prepared to walk in here and raise this question.
This board moves too fast for me.
I’m thinking the whole thing depends on when we actually get test kits. Seems to me that we have to test everybody, and isolate the people who have it.
Obviously the rich and well-connected will get tested first because they worked hard to inherit their money, and they deserve it. Then they will test their vital employees (the players), and let the ones who are negative start rehearsing their roles for the show. They’ll stick a thermometer in every player’s ear every morning before they enter the facility.
But…when are they going to produce the kits? I would think the chances of large numbers of kits by July are pretty good.
And empty stadiums are a problem, but the NFL gets most of its money from television anyway. Will we see empty stadiums on opening day?
Weird times, people.
ZooeyModeratorOkay. I expected worse.
It isn’t good, but I was braced for worse. I was also braced for fans not liking it no matter what.
I also wonder if there is going to be a football season.
ZooeyModeratorI did not have Prince Charles on my Covid-19 Bingo card.
I do have Glenn Beck, though.
ZooeyModeratorHe knew about all of this back in January and did nothing. Hid it from Americans to the extent possible. And now he’s so worried about his own finances and his own chance for reelection, that he wants us to work ourselves to death on behalf of capitalism and capitalists, regardless of how many die.
He does not care.
He sees this pandemic as a personal nuisance, not as a health crisis.
He doesn’t care about other people. He can’t even PRETEND to care.
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ZooeyModeratorWhen Dan Patrick serenely calls for the economy to soldier on even at the risk of his age bracket, he manages to forget that he doesn’t do his own shopping, stand in lines, or pump his own gas like most people his age.
March 24, 2020 at 1:50 am in reply to: Senate Democrats block mammoth coronavirus stimulus package #112881
ZooeyModeratorCOpied this from some stranger dude on the internet:
Prohibit buybacks and executive bonuses for 5 years from any company receiving bailouts. Demand a limit to corporate salaries to 400 thousand ( US presidential salary) for 2 years, limit outsourcing, outlaw unjustified firings, and force paid sick leave as a condition for any US company to receive Coronavirus relief taxpayer funds. Demand full and immediate transparency to a dictatorial Congress appointed Financial Control Board about taxpayer fund use as a prerequisite to periodic scheduled partial fund disbursements (just like Republicans did to Puerto Rico). Oh!, and drug test their executives, you know, to please the so called conservatives.
March 24, 2020 at 1:49 am in reply to: Senate Democrats block mammoth coronavirus stimulus package #112880
ZooeyModeratorMarch 24, 2020 at 1:47 am in reply to: Senate Democrats block mammoth coronavirus stimulus package #112879
ZooeyModeratorWhy the Democrats slowed down the bill:
• McConnell’s bill includes a $500,000,000,000.00 corporate slush fund for CEOs and the ultra rich to be given at the discretion of Treasury— while leaving workers, families and children out to dry.
• McConnell’s bill has weak stock buyback language that can be waived by the Treasury Secretary; executive compensation limits only last for two years; language on worker retention is weak and includes easy outs for companies; there are no assurances in the language that workers will benefit.
• The bill doesn’t protect workers from being fired, even by companies that get millions of dollars.
• The bill provides little transparency of the lending done by Treasury (amount and to whom?).
• There are no specific provisions to protect from individuals from eviction, foreclosure or forbearance.
Other Major Problems:
• No money for state and local governments.
• No additional SNAP funds.
• No OSHA language to protect workers.
• No expanded emergency leave provisions.
• Only 3 months on Unemployment Insurance – this is an insufficient length given the scope of the crisis.
• Direct Payments are not available to the millions of people who did not file a return in 2018 or 2019.
• No money to help with the treatment of the uninsured.
ZooeyModeratorHere’s what Bernie should do. He should say to Biden and the DNC…I will endorse Biden if you guys promise to enact Medicare for All.
M4A was already popular with most people, even Republicans, before the pandemic. 6 weeks from now, people will have shifted from seeing M4A as something we SHOULD have to something we NEED. Say what you will about Italy…nobody is going bankrupt due to hospital charges. 6 weeks from now, M4A will poll higher than ever, and the momentum behind it will be at its greatest peak ever. The DNC will not be able to refuse a public demand for M4A. If Sanders demands that, they have to accept that condition, or the entire party is publicly on record as opposing M4A during the biggest health crisis in anybody’s lifetime, and they will go down in flames…not just Biden…the Senate and House as well. The party will die. They will be forced to swallow M4A, or get beaten up and down the ticket with nothing to show for it, and THEIR name on the rejection of a program people will be starting to demand action on by mid-summer.
If they accept their fate, Sanders will rally his base to support Democrats up and down, and they will win the White House, get the Senate, and expand the House. They won’t really have a choice. They will have to do it. And we will have the first leftist victory since the Civil Rights Act, and we will have finally changed the direction of the country. We might even be able to draft some other legislation to get through, like paid sick leave.
But this would require Sanders to actually use his leverage. And he won’t.
So…Moses got us this far. We now need Joshua.
ZooeyModeratorShe’s also in trouble in her district.
ZooeyModeratorI got a Fat One Dollar Bill right here that says Robey-Coleman signs with the Saints.
Any takers?
ZooeyModeratorI heard the Rams cut everybody.
ZooeyModeratorWell, I’m going to have to check my jam-packed workday calendar to see what’s up at that time…………………………………
nothin’.
Should I spend 30 minutes watching a 10-second reveal?
Uhhhh…no.
Although…by Monday…could be ready for some intense action like that. Hard to say.
ZooeyModeratorTrump’s Coronavirus Calendar
https://therecount.com/watch/trump-coronavirus-calendar/2645515793
ZooeyModeratorThe worst thing about the revelation that all these politicians knew in advance how bad this could be is that they’ve probably been protecting themselves from getting it. I mean…I have a mental list all prepared for some obituaries I am all ready to read, and these guys probably aren’t going to get it, and if they do, they will have the best medical care in the world (provided by socialist health care).
March 20, 2020 at 2:49 pm in reply to: The historical record for capitalism is utterly appalling. #112706
ZooeyModeratorRe: “Lifting people out of poverty.”
I think the mistake people make…and it’s really dead easy to see why they make it…is that capitalism is obviously good because we have cars, air conditioning, microwave ovens, and smartphones.
Of course they attribute those products to capitalism because we didn’t have them prior to capitalism, and communist countries did not have widespread consumer goods available.
Why on earth would it ever occur to anybody that those things could have…WOULD have…been developed under another economic system. By and large, very few humans question the facts of their existences. You know…we have the entire human mindset to go up against (zn might disagree with that), but I just see humans as very limited creatures.
I was at a store yesterday purchasing a snake because my drains are clogged and we can’t shit or shower at home until I fix it, and I’m sick of renting them every year or two. Tree roots get in my lines, and as expensive as snakes are, long term it makes more sense to just buy one of ’em. Anyway, the 40-year old checker was talking to the 30-year old guy right in front of me in the checkout line, and they are both talking about how coronavirus is overblown and shutting down the country is a panic-stricken over-reaction.
And I’m just looking at two physically-fit single males with no dependents, and maybe no parents they care about, just believing that their world view is universal.
My musical director was under chemo last year, and has a heart something-thingie plugged into her chest. One of her sons has a respiratory weakness, and one of her daughters has immune deficiency. Three people in one house who could die if they catch covid-19 if the hospitals are full because the two fuckfaces in line in front of me won’t alter their behavior in any way.
Then there is all the doublethink and hypocrisy that is so common in humans. People just don’t think straight. They don’t question their assumptions. They are not even aware they HAVE assumptions. So…how are we supposed to get around when the entire culture shares an ideology and believes that they don’t?
ZooeyModeratorI am not going to hit Play on that. There is no WAY you can make me watch that. I am offended that you brought this to the board.
ZooeyModeratorDoublethink

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So schools are not cancelled in Calif?Schools are closed here.
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vNot cancelled. We are doing Remote Learning. Everything is internet-based. That isn’t possible everywhere, obviously. I’m sure in WV, a lot of people don’t even have phone lines, let alone DSL like you do.
ZooeyModeratorI work in a hospital so I go to work as usual. I’m QA Supervisor and Microbiology Lead for the clinical lab. As you can imagine we’ve been especially busy with COVID-19 stuff (my hospital provides drive-up specimen collection for people suspected of having it).
I thought there was a big shortage of tests. I was wondering how Idris Elba got tested when he claims he has no symptoms.
ZooeyModeratorI am spending all day at school every day, trying to make the best of this situation. Mostly I am struggling with a never-ending parade of technical difficulties, and learning to do new things with tech toys.
I have been too busy doing that to actually figure out how to change the format of various assignments, and because I teach multiple classes that are completely different, I have to do all that for each class, unlike a teacher who may have 3 sections of the same thing, so they convert their stuff once for the entire lot of kids.
ZooeyModeratorCoincidentally, I ordered a submarine from Bazooka for ten comics and a buck, or something like that.
It was a spring loaded submarine that fired a torpedo an inch or so when I pushed a trigger. I remember being pleased. I sank many a Nazi battleship with it.
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