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ZooeyModeratorWell…my thoughts were complicated by this:
No…I don’t want to endorse corporate Dems…but I sure have a strong urge to repudiate fascism…AND the wider the popular margin of victory is for Biden, the better. Especially because it’s going to be litigated unless the Republicans lose by such a margin that there is no pathway to victory, even with stacked courts. So there’s that.
ZooeyModeratorWatch this video if you want to gain a better understanding of why centrism is both an extreme and failed ideology. pic.twitter.com/7eZ06s2WdC
— Ryan Knight 🌹 (@ProudSocialist) October 13, 2020
ZooeyModerator11 hour lines. Wow.
I suppose we should be grateful they are not having to dodge German Shepherds,
or fire hoses. Or bullets.I’m gonna vote today, and i was gonna vote Biden but I checked the latest WV polls and Biden is in the 30s here. Cant even make it to 40 percent in WV. So, i suppose I’ll go ahead and vote Green. If this was a swing-state, Id vote for the Imperialist-drone-murdering-Wall-Street-Loving-Corporatist.
I’m guessing there wont be an 11 hour wait in WV.
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vI’m torn. I’m actually considering voting for Biden…I have every other thing filled out on my ballot. But I live in California, and Biden is going to DOUBLE Trump’s vote tally in this state.
ZooeyModeratorRemember the rams drafted Greg Robinson 11 spots higher than Aaron Donald.
ZooeyModeratorWell, the Rams put their money into the secondary. This isn’t the 70s. It’s a passing league. They bought some great secondary players, and compromised on LBs. That could be why we see so many long runs (7-12 yds). The LBs are young, though, and may learn to take better angles over the season.
In any event, the most vital statistic has been, and always will be, the scoreboard.
ZooeyModeratorGood for Gurley.
But…the real question the Rams had to ask is, “How will Gurley be ranked over the last 4 games of the season?”
ZooeyModeratorHow did the challenger fare in 1936?
ZooeyModeratorThe 49ers sure do suck, though. I mean… that’s a quality life experience right there. That can go on forever, as far as I’m concerned.
ZooeyModeratorWorked for me. The outcome was never really in doubt from the beginning drive. Solid everywhere. No complaints.
Everett siting, not that I care, but just saying.
A good long throw by Goff. Something we haven’t seen in a while.
Solid game all around except for that kicker guy. Jeeze that guy is going to lose us a game at some point.
ZooeyModeratorI use Facebook for my news feed. I follow a bunch of leftist groups there (and Libs), and mark them “Show First,” or whatever it is.
Twitter…my fear is following so many people that the feed becomes Niagara Falls. I’m only following around 30 people, and it’s like watching NASCAR. Too many cars, and I’m not sure how many of them I’ve already seen.
But Mack is there. And he posts gold, like the Pumpkin Spice Bleach tweet. And zn is there to chip in on Rams related stuff. He is there to point out stuff like the Rams need an Offensive Line in order to keep the enemy off of Goff. And Nittany is there to say, “Akshually…if you blend bionanphosate with xyoletholine, you will never achieve homeostanthesis. Under the conditions prescribed, you would have to….”
So that’s all good.
I am there to get retweeted by John Cleese…which Mack, zn, and Nittany never have.
October 10, 2020 at 11:15 am in reply to: Insanity in the Trump Era: Cherry picked support for whistleblowers. #122748
ZooeyModeratorYeah. I…yeah.
I don’t have anything to offer except that humans are complicated, and good people do bad things, and stupid things, and that includes the Left.
One of the reasons I love Vonnegut so much is that he saw humans as “bungled and botched.” And in his worldview, his sympathies were with common people. But he also had a knack for portraying the “fabulously well-to-do” as common people as well. He held an equalizing vision of humans. That…regardless of station…we are all just bungled and botched. Rich Poor. Left Right. Old Young.
And he had compassion for that.
And I find myself circling back to that whenever I am feeling particularly self-righteous. Which is too often.
I guess what I’m saying is…don’t expect too much from people.
ZooeyModeratorI just have to say that I just got retweeted by John Cleese 10 minutes ago which is kinda cool because…John Cleese retweeted me.
October 10, 2020 at 10:27 am in reply to: Just a thread for different kindsa interesting things #122736
ZooeyModeratorIs this the new “tweets” thread?
Fox News has issues with the way this candidate debated pic.twitter.com/CB7DuemcVz
— The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow) October 9, 2020
ZooeyModeratorSigh. Just when i think Biden has it in the bag.
Newsweek poll:https://www.newsweek.com/less-month-until-election-donald-trump-doing-better-swing-state-polls-this-time-2016-1535611
With Less Than a Month Until the Election, Donald Trump Is Doing Better in Swing State Polls Than This Time in 2016
October 9, 2020 at 12:17 pm in reply to: Rams v. Washington: another game against the dangerous NFC East #122700
ZooeyModeratorJust in case there is any confusion, I would like to clear up my position on this team.
I hate them.
And changing their name does not mitigate that whatsoever. I still hate them. For reasons, good ones, too.
So… I will be rooting for the Rams to win this game.
Just wanted to clarify that.
ZooeyModeratorVP Pence has canceled all his events today in AZ and IN, and is returning to DC.
For some reason.
ZooeyModeratorRadical left: Healthcare plz
Radical right: let’s kidnap a Governor
— Dary Rezvani for SCCCD Trustee Area 3 🎃 (@DaryRezvani) October 8, 2020
ZooeyModeratorI thought there was a Lib vs Left thread, but I can’t find it.

ZooeyModeratorUndefeated. The internet.
You’re welcome…pic.twitter.com/9P2rcPJOxt
— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) October 7, 2020
ZooeyModeratorPersonally I think you might be wrong on your “rejection” theory. I don’t think progressive values were rejected in the primaries. Rather it was more a fear of Trump winning again if Sanders was the nominee. There is clearly a future for progressives in the Democratic party and for those voters who went to the poles and voted for Biden over Sanders. And that future is likely to be nearer than you think. With some exceptions (racists, etc) progressive values and policies appeal to the same people that Trump caters to. The “system” has not done them right and they want radical changes-whatever they might be.
That never crossed my mind, but you may be right about that. I remember hearing, both in recorded interviews with voters, and in print that a lot of people were saying that they basically liked Bernie’s positions better, but were worried he wouldn’t win, and just saw Biden as more “electable.”
So if you are right, what people pushing for more progressive action need is not to win more people to their positions, but to convince more people that their positions are “winnable.”
That may be, actually. Dunno.
ZooeyModeratorYeah. I agree with that. My experience, too. One of my idiot right wing brothers is condescending, but he’s an exception.
I fight it all the time, too. Even with allies, like liberals who are suddenly seeing things from a left perspective, and I’m all…oh, great. You just noticed that. Cool, cool. Like I’m talking to a 5-year old who just showed me that they got 80% of the lines right on a connect-the-dots sheet.
So people hate that, and with good reason.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, Billy. That’s well put. That’s what I’m driving at, I guess. And I just think that the GOP is more completely inclined to view people as Things than liberals are, and that just aligns with how everybody is indoctrinated to think, and it removes the Condescension. You never condescend to a Thing.
Liberals ARE condescending. Leftists, too. Maybe Leftists even more so. And so the masses hate universities and experts and everybody whom they feel look down their noses at them.
So…you take Trump. They identify with him because he is interested in the same things they are interested in – letting it all hang out without apologies to the snotty elitist types – and because he talks their language naturally. No condescension. He isn’t one of them, and has no use for them other than as a commodity, but he can bang their drumbeat like nobody else in decades. So even though he would spit in their faces if they showed up at Mar-a-Lago, his disdain for them never shows. Not because he likes them. But because they like him. And that’s ALL he cares about. They’re just Things to him, but because he does not care for them at all, they paradoxically feel included in his circle. He gives them attention, and makes them roar with delight.
They have grasped tightly to the Illusion of Acceptance.
ZooeyModeratorWell, its very tempting for leftists like us, to think the best strategy for HIM would be to lean left. But is that really accurate? I am not convinced.
I keep thinking about the senate: 99-1.
If i were a corporate-dem, why in the hell would i trust the folks who got the “1” elected, instead of the folks that got the 99 elected.
Sure the polls say, 60 or 70 percent of folks want M4A etc. But they dont VOTE that way do they. I mean even in a DEM primary, Biden beat Bernie. Straight up. Liberals/Dems had a choice — and they chose AGAINST the leftist.
So why would Biden lean left? If i were his evil-political-adviser I’d tell Biden to do just what he’s doing. Be bland, and lean towards Right-Center. The DNC strategy.
I hate it. But it is what it is.
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vI was pondering the old conundrum last night about why so many people vote for the GOP, counter to their own interests. And I was thinking that part of it is that those voters, like Trump supporters, are really low information voters, ya know. Nothing new there. But that doesn’t answer the question. They’re low information either way, so how does the GOP get their allegiance?
And then I thought, well, the GOP appeals to their core…values/lifestyle/myths…whatever. A lot of these people just wanna go to work, have a beer with friends, watch UFC, go to church, shoot some birds, ride their motorbikes, raft the river, whatever. No time to watch BS on the news, or read Atlantic Monthly. It’s not their thing. Life is immediate and local. So the GOP just taps into their gut instincts, their biases, their prejudices, and does so without fearing that they, as governors, will ever be inspected for their actions. These people aren’t following the budgets, or the political movements that swirl in Yemen. The GOP goes straight for the Id, and sometimes the Ego.
Democrats, OTOH, want to REASON with these people. Educate them on how their policies are better for them, and they are amazed when nobody bites that bait.
So…I start wondering WHY the Liberals/Left don’t go for the Id appeals as well. I mean…why not?
And I think that it’s because the Left and Right see other people differently. I am considering that maybe the Right actually has an advantage because they think of the masses as a commodity. People are widgets. They are just a different category of Materials necessary to conduct business on the one hand, and potential consumers of services and products on the other hand. They don’t care about the “human” aspects of their lives whatsoever. They are just there like clay, or steel, or tariffs, or tax breaks…just Things that need to be manipulated to their advantage. Appealing to their Id is just an efficient way to do that.
Liberals and the Left give them a little more credit than that. They see them as people with human concerns. But they see them as uneducated and, frankly, sometimes stupid. They are raw humans, Uncultivated Humans. So they/we are driven to try to appeal to them through a variety of “Don’t you see that THIS is in your best interest, and THAT is not?” kind of things, and then get frustrated when they turn the channel to The Masked Singer. Ultimately, I think that Liberals tend to look DOWN on the masses because they are FAILING TO GRASP THINGS. And the Left tends to be condescending to everybody, including Liberals, and even other Leftists.
Well…they HATE being condescended to. Everybody hates being condescended to. And here is where the Right has an advantage. They aren’t condescending to these people because they don’t place any human value on them in the first place. Nobody gets condescending to a horse because it’s a fucking horse. You harness it, and put it to use. So the Right can saddle up the masses partly because they don’t expect anything from them except their direct service. The left wants to…you know…SAVE them. Make their lives better. And when they don’t cooperate, well, it’s because they are Deplorable. They’re morons. They’re backwoods hicks and rubes and yokels.
So the GOP can bang the identity drums, and the people will march because they hear the drumming, and they feel welcomed.
The Democrats are hamstrung because they are trying to herd cats with shit like “Build Back Better,” whatever the fuck THAT is supposed to mean. And the Democrats don’t really have anything to offer because they aren’t committed to running on anything that will actually change lives. So it’s easy for the GOP to paint them as the party of giving away crap to OTHER people. And that’s totally believable because they certainly aren’t giving anything to ME. To US. To anybody in MY neighborhood. They’re trying to appeal to the masses without offering them a vision of anything other than Hope and Change and Harmony on the one hand, and a tall stack of Policy Papers on the other. Those just aren’t drumbeats that get them very far.
Biden is running as a Rorschach Test. He is largely a vacuum with an invitation to everybody to believe he is whatever they want him to be.
ZooeyModeratorWhen asked about Covid-19 and the current failures of our government, Biden always talks about masks but never brings up the fact that we need more Covid relief checks or addresses the homelessness crisis
Not an accident
And, btw, he keeps punching left and denouncing Sanders…the ONLY Democrat out on the trail campaigning in person.
ZooeyModeratorYeah, that Noteboom comment was very interesting. I never woulda noticed that in a thousand years. He’s due back Week 6, apparently.
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ZooeyModeratorBut…how was it sold?
Because Jews did not suddenly form an army and invade. They had help. And did the UN just say, “Hey, we’re giving all the land from here-to-here to the Jews to form a country, and that’s that.” Or did they try the smoother “We recognize the independence movement of these poor people dispossessed here in Palestine, and we are taking their side in the conflict.” Or what? I’ve always assumed it was the former. But all I have ever seen in documentaries or what I’ve read is just…Israel was formed in blah blah blah, and people went there from all over the world” like it was just the wilds of Alaska or something.
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