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  • #123793
    Zooey
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    Thought I would start a thing on bits and pieces of interest, and whatever this leads among the band of anarchists.

    UPDATE: At 17,500 at noon.

    • This topic was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Zooey.
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    zn
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    Don’t Expect a Contested Election

    Charlie Cook

    Charlie Cook, one of the best political handicappers in the business

    https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/dont-expect-contested-election?fbclid=IwAR20Sl1_IWmpemvxPx_iflTN44IokKLVNherCPomFV5WEHprcBw_e2Y-v6M

    On a hundred-odd Zoom meetings, webinars, and conference call speeches that I’ve participated in over the past two months, virtual attendees continue to raise the possibility of a contested presidential election, even though the chances of that have been getting smaller all the time. Every day that Trump remains behind in the polls, outspent badly and with the early vote gushing in, the cone of uncertainty narrows, and the odds of such an upset goes down.

    Joe Biden’s path to 270 electoral votes seems pretty straightforward: Hold all 20 states (plus the District of Columbia) that Hillary Clinton carried four years ago, which total 232 electoral votes, just 38 short of the majority threshold of 270. Then win each of the three states that Clinton lost by eight-tenths of a point or less: Michigan (0.2 percentage points) Pennsylvania (0.7), and Wisconsin (0.8). That gives him 278 electoral votes, eight more than needed. Biden will likely also carry two congressional districts that eluded Clinton in 2016, Nebraska’s 2nd District and Maine’s 2nd, giving him 280 electoral votes. That would represent a “skinny” Biden win.

    A big Biden win would bring in Arizona, Florida, and North Carolina, and might also include one or two states from the next tier, mostly likely Georgia or Iowa, although don’t count out Ohio or Texas. Generally speaking, Trump is underperforming his 2016 pace by 3 to 8 points, depending upon the state or district.

    The RealClearPolitics average of national polls pegs Biden’s lead at 7.4 points, 51.1 to 43.7 percent. But that’s a less discriminating measure, including as it does some mediocre surveys, some that seemed congenitally slanted toward one side or the other, and some that would be better utilized lining hamster cages. The FiveThirtyEight modeled average of national polls, which is more selective than the RCP average but still includes some surveys that I consider rather sketchy, puts the Biden lead at 8.8 points, 52 to 43.2 percent.

    I believe his actual lead is more like 9 or 10 points, based on the higher-quality, live-telephone-interview national polls conducted since the first debate, as well as the gold standard of online polling, the Pew Research Center’s mammoth poll of 11,929 voters released two weeks ago.

    Any way you slice it, these are pretty good leads, considerably higher than the 3.2-point national margin that Hillary Clinton had over Trump in the RCP average on Oct. 29, 2016. When all the votes were counted, the margin ended up being 2.1 percent.

    In fact, one of the stories of this election is how Democrats have opened their checking accounts to candidates and causes this year. As reported by Advertising Analytics on Wednesday, the Biden campaign has bought $626 million in TV time, $268 million more than Trump’s $358 million by the Trump effort.

    All told, Advertising Analytics reported that political campaigns and causes dropped $8.12 billion in TV ads so far this cycle— $4.633 billion by Democrats on all levels, $2.606 million by Republicans, and $907 million by independents. Of the $2.948 billion spent on television by presidential campaigns, $2.163 billion came for Democratic candidates to $780 million for Republicans. Senate candidates spent $2 billion, $1.130 million spent by or for Democrats and $870 million by or for Republicans. Of the $1.105 billion spent on House advertising, the split was $649 million on the Democratic side, $500 million for Republicans.

    Democratic donors have bucked recent trends to deliver a substantial spending advantage for their side, voting with their wallets long before anyone voted with a ballot. Democrats have had their hair on fire since Election Night 2016 and that has shown no sign of abating. In my judgement, a landslide is more likely than a contested election.

    The House looks likely to see Republicans lose a few more seats on top of the 40 they dropped in 2018. If the over/under is 10 seats, I tend to come down on the higher side.

    The Senate is increasingly less a case of whether Democrats will take a majority, but how large will it be. The chances of the GOP keeping its losses down to a seat or two are dropping; I am thinking that a five- or six-seat gain is becoming highly possible. The three most likely GOP incumbents to lose are Martha McSally in Arizona, Cory Gardner in Colorado, and Thom Tillis in North Carolina. Right on the bubble are Joni Ernst in Iowa, Susan Collins in Maine, and both Georgia seats. A touch back from that are Steve Daines in Montana and Lindsey Graham in South Carolina, as well as the open seat in Kansas. All three states are likely to be won by Trump, so look for a possible repeat of 2016, when every Senate race went to the same party that won the presidential race there—the first time that had happened since the start of direct Senate elections in 1914.

    What I am wondering is if this will be one or the rarest species of national elections—a wave election in a presidential year ending in a zero, meaning it will reverberate for a decade thanks to the coming redistricting. There are not a dozen Republican Senate seats that could fall, as Democrats suffered in 1980, but Joe Biden may well replicate Ronald Reagan’s 10-point victory over President Carter. The odds are it will be a bit less, perhaps in the 53 to 44 percent range, with 3 percent going to independents and write-ins, half of the number from four years ago.

    We’ll soon know. It won’t be long now.

    #123796
    wv
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    #123802
    zn
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    #123806
    Zooey
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    I’m not really seeing anything here that I’m in love with. This is just not going well.

    #123807
    Zooey
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    ABC thinks the Republicans will hold onto the Senate.

    #123818
    zn
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    from Facebook

    Before we freak out, look at Arizona. This state has been red except for two times -1996 and 1948. What is different about AZ is that we counted mail in and early votes first. Most other states counted in person votes first and are just starting to count mail-in votes today. Mail-in and early voting favors Biden which is why AZ is so blue so early.
    Take a breath.
    We will not know until the end of the week. Let’s keep flipping the senate and let’s strengthen the house and let’s win the presidency by Friday.
    As votes are counted in AZ from in person voting today, Trump will climb back up and it will get closer. The same will happen for Biden in the upper Midwest as mail-in and early votes are counted tomorrow and the rest of the week.

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    zn
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    #123829
    zn
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    zn
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    zn
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    zn
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    #123837
    zn
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    Trump can’t just ask the Supreme Court to stop ballot counting, GOP election lawyer tells CNN

    https://news.yahoo.com/trump-cant-just-ask-supreme-095738297.html

    President Trump early Wednesday said he thinks he won the presidential race, prematurely claimed victory in states that still have millions of votes uncounted, and said he will ask the Supreme Court to halt the vote count — or stop the “voting,” as he said. Officials in Pennsylvania and other states that won’t finish counting votes for hours or days vowed that every ballot will be counted. And legal experts said Trump can’t really just petition the Supreme Court to halt the counting of legally cast votes.

    Ben Ginsberg, who spent decades as a top Republican Party election lawyer, told CNN’s Jake Tapper early Wednesday that even if Trump did have a mechanism to petition an end to the vote counting or toss out votes, that request would “be viewed by any court, including the Supreme Court, as just a massive disenfranchisement that would be frowned upon.”

    Tapper asked Ginsberg, who was national counsel to George W. Bush’s campaign in the Florida recount, if he had seen anything like Trump’s statement. “No, not even close,” he said. Ginsberg retired over the summer, then started criticizing Trump’s constant and baseless claims of voter fraud.

    Trump’s “unsubstantiated talk about ‘rigged’ elections caused by absentee ballot ‘fraud’ and ‘cheating’ has been around since 2016,” Ginsberg wrote in The Washington Post last week. But “this is not about finding fraud and irregularities. It’s about suppressing the number of votes not cast for Trump.” CBS News estimates that there are five million legally cast votes left to be counted in the five uncalled swing states.

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    zn
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    zn
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    zn
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    zn
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    zn
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    zn
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    #123850
    Zooey
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    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/11/the-2020-election-result-completely-discredits-the-democratic-leadership

    As of the time of this writing, Joe Biden has a lead in enough states that, if present trends hold, he will narrowly win the presidency. This would be a huge relief, because Donald Trump is a monstrosity and four more years of his authoritarian leadership would be an utter disaster for workers, immigrants, and the climate. I would be hugely relieved if Joe Biden became president, not because I think his presidency will in any way be good but because it averts the worst possible catastrophe.

    But even assuming Biden is sworn into office, Election Night 2020 was a rude awakening for Democrats, because many of them were hoping to see Donald Trump resoundingly repudiated by the electorate. This did not happen. Turnout massively increased in this election (a greater percentage of eligible voters turned out than in any election since 1900), but this was not because the public rose up in unison to defeat Donald Trump. In fact, millions who didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 voted for him this time. Biden actually appears to have done far worse among certain constituencies than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. Some heavily Hispanic parts of South Texas that broke overwhelmingly for Clinton split far more evenly between Biden and Trump. Trump managed to make inroads among voters of color that I am certain the Biden campaign never thought was possible.

    The fact that this election is so close is a serious indictment of the Democratic Party leadership. Hundreds of thousands of people are dead from a pandemic that the Trump administration has handled with the grossest incompetence. My colleague Eli Massey sums things up accurately:

    Even if Biden ends up squeaking out a victory, it’s a huge indictment of him, his campaign, and the politics that he represents that after [230,000] people died, the economy collapsed, and the last 4 years we’ve been led by a fascist game show host the election is this close.

    If Joe Biden couldn’t thrash Trump under these circumstances, God only knows how he could have won if COVID-19 hadn’t happened. Trump has been an abysmal president. His approach to climate change threatens the lives of countless human beings. The case against him should be open-and-shut. Yet the Democratic Party lost to him once and has come close to doing it again. How?

    I have already seen some Democrats on social media blaming the voters. Americans just must be more irredeemably stupid and racist than we thought. I do not think this attitude is correct or helpful. Why are the native Spanish speakers of Miami and South Texas less enthusiastic about Biden than they were about Hillary? Do we simply blame them for “not knowing their own self-interest”?

    The answer to what is going on is not actually mysterious. The left has been saying it over and over ad nauseum: the Democrats have failed to offer a compelling alternative. Joe Biden has been an uninspiring corrupt corporate candidate. He’s been, incredibly, less politically competent than Hillary Clinton. He opposes policies that are hugely popular with voters. He’s been unable to generate enthusiasm—we rightly criticized Trump for holding giant rallies in the middle of a pandemic, but we also know Trump is right that Biden couldn’t hold giant rallies even if he was willing to pay people to come.

    Democrats have taken voters of color for granted. We know this. My colleague Malaika Jabali, in “The Color of Economic Anxiety,” documented how Black voters in Wisconsin felt completely unseen and unheard by the Democratic Party. My colleague Briahna Joy Gray has spent the entire election cycle warning that Joe Biden was treating voters of color like they were obligated to vote for him. The Biden campaign’s outreach to Latino voters was infamously abysmal, sometimes not even rising to the level of being patronizing. It was just lazy and insulting, such as Biden pulling out his iPhone and playing the song “Despacito” for 15 seconds.

    There were reports that his campaign didn’t even consider these voters “part of the path to victory” and there were warnings before the election that this was going to cause problems:

    Biden’s primary campaign had a distant, if not “tense,” relationship with Latino voters as he not only neglected to reach out to them but never quite rectified “his connection to the Obama administration’s aggressive deportation policy,” Politico reports. Biden became the presumptive Democratic nominee “in spite of, not because of” his Latino outreach, Politico writes, but more than 20 Latino political operatives say his luck may not hold in the general election.

    Indeed, it did not hold, because it turns out you need more than luck. You also need hard work, and there was little sign throughout the campaign that Biden’s team was actually putting in the work necessary to resoundingly defeat Trump. The Biden campaign seemed to be coasting on a sense of self-assurance, convinced that Donald Trump couldn’t possibly be reelected. Some of us were horrified when we realized how little campaigning Biden was actually doing; there was a period where Trump’s campaign was knocking on a million doors a week and Biden’s was knocking on zero. The Biden campaign’s messaging was all over the place. He completely screwed up the first presidential debate, sounding weak and incoherent. As with Clinton, there was no clear set of things that Biden was telling voters he would actually do for them. I do not know if anyone could name Biden’s signature promises, beyond “not banning fracking,” “not passing the Green New Deal,” and “not wanting Medicare for All.” These points he hammered consistently.

    Trump did not do well either in that first debate (both improved in the second debate) and it was notable how bad Trump’s own campaign was. His messaging was incoherent (was Joe Biden an Antifa-loving socialist or a corrupt Washington elite?) and he wasted giant piles of his campaign cash. He lost the powerful populist rhetoric that swept him into office in the first place, in favor of attacks on Biden’s ne’er-do-well son Hunter, a strange issue to choose for an electorate focused on the pandemic and the economy. Trump made serious missteps and often seemed desperate. Defeating him should have been a cakewalk.

    It was truly shocking to see many Democrats learn absolutely nothing from 2016. I tend to be politically cynical, but to see none of the lessons learned was remarkable. The central points that I and others on the left have been emphasizing over and over since that election were:

    Donald Trump will not destroy himself. You cannot rely on his badness to be your main argument. Many people like Trump, as hard as this may be to believe.
    You have to be able to inspire people with a bold agenda and a clear message that gives them a reason to vote for you.
    Corporate Democrats are weak, corrupt, and not well-liked. We must have a populist Democratic Party that is willing to take on Wall Street and the insurance industry.
    The fact that you think Trump shouldn’t do well doesn’t mean he won’t do well. Polls can be deceptive. Do not count your chickens before they hatch. Complacency kills.
    This last point should have been one of the absolutely central lessons from 2016, an election in which Trump outperformed his polls and shocked the nation. But, incredibly, the complacency of 2016 returned in 2020. I was rather shocked myself, because I thought we had all learned that polls can underestimate Trump’s support, since many Trump voters don’t like to admit they’re Trump voters (and some are QAnoners who probably think pollsters are part of the socialist globalist pedophile-cannibal ring). I spent months arguing with people who insisted that the polls had been “fixed” since 2016 and the same thing that happened once could not happen twice. I even heard this from leftists skeptical of Biden, and I suspect that there was a certain “wishful thinking” bias creeping in. Nobody on the left wanted to have to actually work to get Biden elected, because he was transparently awful, so there was an inclination not to question polls showing Biden with a comfortable lead.

    The polls were not reliable, just as they were not reliable in 2016. Dave Wasserman of the Cook Political Report says they have “rarely led us more astray.” FiveThirtyEight’s final Florida average, for instance, put Biden ahead in the state by 2.5 points. As of right now, Trump is winning the state by 3.4 points. The site put Trump ahead in Texas by 1.1 according to the polls, but he’s winning right now by 6.1. In Ohio, Trump was ahead in the polls by 0.8, but he’s winning by 8 points. Though it appears Biden will win, polls actually led to predictions of a “Biden landslide,” and it’s obvious that this was not only a complete mirage, but hugely irresponsible to even discuss. When people falsely assumed Biden was this far ahead, they could wrongly assume that the Democrats had everything under control and all the average person needed to do was keep scrolling Twitter and checking to make sure everything was still in hand.

    I have warned people before not to ever listen to polling pundit Nate Silver, and this election showed exactly why. He offered people the reassuring observation that for Trump to win would require a serious polling error of the kind unlikely to occur. Well, a serious polling error did occur, and though it may not have been quite enough to give Trump the win, it is obvious that these sorts of statements from people like Silver put the country at risk by downplaying the possibility of Trump seriously outperforming expectations. Silver, as I noted in my analysis, is always careful to hedge by saying that he’s only commenting on what is probable, but this actually shows why his work is extremely unhelpful. He predicts that anything could happen (even a big polling error), so that whatever happens, he can say “I predicted that.” Indeed, when I asked him if a Trump victory would mean his analysis was useless, he told me that it wouldn’t, because a Trump victory was one of the set of things he said could happen. This means that he has carefully made sure he never issues a “falsifiable” prediction. But it also means that taking his probabilities as meaningful commentaries on reality is very, very dangerous. The best approach to an election you want to win is to assume you’re likely to lose and do whatever it would take to reverse that outcome.

    Let’s be very clear: the Democratic Party screwed this election up massively. Trump actually did better than he did in 2016 in areas with high COVID-19 deaths. Union members in Ohio appear to have gone for Trump, and most of the people who saw the economy as the top issue voted for Trump, even though this should theoretically be the issue on which the Democratic Party is strongest.

    Now, Democrats are not going to take the Senate. The candidate that the leadership hand-picked to run against Mitch McConnell (instead of progressive Charles Booker) got crushed. The massive amount that was spent to defeat Lindsey Graham went nowhere, predictably. The Democrats squandered money on pitifully unpersuasive messages in races that they should have been able to win. They failed to flip Republican target seats in the House and even lost important seats. Even though a popular progressive policy, the $15 minimum wage, attracted overwhelming support in Florida, the Democratic candidate did not.

    The fact that there were many voters in Florida who voted for both Donald Trump and a $15 minimum wage should be a puzzle for the Democratic leadership. Why do they support a candidate who opposes the very thing they seem to support? Fox News recently published results of polls of voters confirming that large numbers support government-run healthcare, restrictions on gun rights, the preservation of abortion rights, and a pathway to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants. How, then, could Donald Trump, a person who is doing exactly the opposite on all of these issues, come so close to winning reelection?

    There is nothing surprising here, however, to anyone who has read, say, Thomas Frank’s Listen Liberal, or Whatever Happened To The Party of The People, or who was paying attention to Michael Moore’s warning in 2016 that Trump would win. (Current Affairs also expressed its concern.) Current Affairs contributing cartoonist Matt Lubchansky puts it well when they say “if I were the opposition party candidate or candidates I would simply espouse policies with broad-based support that improve people’s material conditions in clear and accessible language.” That’s exactly what hasn’t happened, and heads need to roll in the party over this. Pelosi, Schumer, Tom Perez: these people need ousting. They have failed.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Zooey.
    #123852
    JackPMiller
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    #123853
    Zooey
    Participant

    #123855
    Mackeyser
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    So here’s my take worth about as much as the pixels which convey it…

    Biden sits now at 269 electoral votes presuming he maintains his lead in NV. We’ve seen no updates from them AT ALL today and that’s kinda fishy, but w/e.

    Trump may still win if he holds PA, NC and GA. All of them are gonna be CLOSE.

    If Trump holds all of them, it’s a 269-269 tie thanks to Trump being able to get 1 of the Maine electors. Most sites have misallocated ME’s 4 votes to Biden even as they’ve called 1 for Trump.

    If Trump holds on for a tie, it goes to the House.

    Trump won 27 states and Biden won 23. As each state will only get 1 vote, Trump would win the tiebreaker 27-23.

    Thus… thanks to that ONE elector in Maine… Biden’s got to take one of the remaining states.

    The upside of Biden taking another state, presuming he does so and I think he’s got a very good chance of catching Trump in PA, even if narrowly and also in GA is that NV isn’t a concern at that point, so any late returns from far flung parts of the very narrow race in NV become meaningless.

    So that’s it. We should know tomorrow who won.

    I dunno if any of the three states are doing a continuous count or are suspended until tomorrow, but it won’t be weeks. Either GA or PA will report tomorrow and that’ll be it if Biden wins one and by the end of the day we should know if Trump held on.

    This entire system is fucked.

    also, and this probably deserves its own thread, but fucking shitlib centrists are ALREADY on social media and on the news saying that ignoring the Latinx community and avoiding anything remotely connected with “socialism” is what won.

    We need a 3rd party, specifically a part of the left so damn badly, it’s insane. I’m conversing via DM with someone from Switzerland on Twitter and this person is so confused. I don’t blame him. None of this makes any damn sense.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #123856
    zn
    Moderator

    We need a 3rd party, specifically a part of the left so damn badly,

    #123858
    canadaram
    Participant

    I find your elections way more stressful and exhausting than ours.

    #123859
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Thank you.

    As an American, we take great pride in freaking the fuck out of our Allies and have for many years.

    We’ve recently added our Elections to the Freak Out menu as market research has shown that spicy is very in demand right now.

    We realize that no one with a functioning digestive system needs this much spice, but as Americans, we embrace Oscar Wilde, “Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess”.

    We’re considering putting that on our money!

    Anyway, sorry for any inconvenience.

    Also, when you return, please try our new Reactor HOT Jabanero Policing. Milk’s not remotely enough to remove the burning tears…

    UPDATE: We’ve been retooling our foreign policy dishes as our current Chef in Residence isn’t schooled on foreign fare, but shortly, we should have some foreign policy so spicy, it’ll blow a hole in your chest!!!

    Bon Apetit!!!

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #123861
    zn
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    Petey Wheatstraw@jdtitan
    The only way Trump gets to 270 now is if he loses 50 lbs

    #123864
    zn
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    #123865
    zn
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    #123872
    Billy_T
    Participant

    Zooey,

    Thanks for the Robinson article. As usual, he’s spot on.

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