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    I wonder if he is damaged goods

    If he is, he wouldn’t pass a physical, I assume.

    What happened with the Patz is that he got left behind and surpassed by others when injured.

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    One year after draft, Jon Gruden reassesses Jared Goff

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-jared-goff-jon-gruden-nfl-draft-20170419-story.html

    from that article:

    “Well, you know, Goff, he came out early, a true junior, I don’t think he’s 100% what he’s going to be physically,” Gruden said Wednesday during a teleconference with reporters. “I still think he’s going to get stronger, and he’s going to mature physically.”

    “I do think that he went into a difficult situation,” Gruden said. “That’s an offensive line that struggled. That is a receiving corps that struggled. And [with] his inexperience, I think that’s a difficult combination for a young quarterback and I think that’s a big reason they were 0-7 when he was the starter.”

    “Sean McVay will come in, I think, and give them a lot of energy, a lot of optimism,” Gruden said. “I think he’ll give them some expertise.

    “He’s been good with young quarterbacks. He’s been good with young receivers and young players, and I just think he’s going to bring a real positive upbeat presence to the offensive side of the ball.”

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    Good info snow thanks for posting.

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    Very interesting interview with a Russian who worked for Sanders and some anti-Putin candidates in Russia.

    I glanced at that…it does look very interesting…I look forward to really reading it when I am free.

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    Rams hoping for that rare find at 37th overall

    By Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/33548/rams-hoping-for-that-rare-find-at-37th-overall

    LOS ANGELES — Seven decades ago, the Los Angeles Rams took a flyer on a T-formation quarterback named Norm Van Brocklin. This was December of 1948. Van Brocklin had just led Oregon to a tie for the Pacific Coast Conference championship, but he still had another year of eligibility remaining and teams believed he would go back to school. He slipped all the way to the 37th overall selection, which at that time took place in the fourth round.

    To this day, Van Brocklin remains the only 37th pick to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

    2017 NFL DRAFT

    Round 1: April 27, 8 p.m. ET
    Rds. 2-3: April 28, 7 p.m. ET
    Rds. 4-7: April 29, noon ET
    Where: Philadelphia

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    He now signifies hope. Hope for teams scrambling to find that franchise cornerstone with the fifth pick of the second round. Hope for an organization like the present-day Rams, who, nearly 70 years later, won’t make their first selection in the 2017 draft until, yep, 37th overall.

    That pick will take place next Friday night, on April 28, probably a little after 4:30 p.m. PT. And there is really no telling which direction the Rams will go, because so many picks will be made before them and because so many of their positions need fixing. They badly need talent at receiver and tight end, but they also need depth at cornerback and safety. They need to identify their left tackle and center of the future, but they also need to start building the next wave of defensive linemen and linebackers.

    If you had to narrow it down — based on the Rams’ biggest needs and this draft’s greatest strengths — you would probably go with a receiving threat or a defensive back. The Rams have been linked to an assortment of both. And on a conference call with NFL Nation reporters on Tuesday, ESPN draft expert Mel Kiper Jr. identified East Carolina receiver Zay Jones as someone who could slip to the Rams at 37.

    “It would make sense, if he gets to that point,” Kiper said of Jones, the FBS record holder for receptions in a career and in a single season. “I thought at one point Kansas City might take him. But there’s a chance he can get into the second round and go in that early-round, two area to the Rams.”

    From 2000 to ’16, the 37th overall pick produced three players who were invited to at least one Pro Bowl: guard Andre Gurode, defensive back Eric Weddle and tackle Jon Stinchcomb. They combined for 10 Pro Bowl invites and two All-Pro selections. All 17 of those picks have combined to serve 60 seasons as the primary starters for their respective teams, as defined by Pro-Football Reference.

    Which picks perform the best?
    A look at the number of Pro Bowlers, Pro Bowl invites and first-team All-Pro selections in the first 40 picks of the NFL draft since 2000:

    SELECTIONS PRO BOWLERS PRO BOWL INVITES FIRST-TEAM ALL-PRO SELECTIONS
    1-8 68 216 56
    9-16 65 194 66
    17-24 42 115 24
    25-32 38 98 18
    33-40 26 52 9

    The No. 1 overall pick since 2000? Eleven Pro Bowl players, 30 Pro Bowl invites, three first-team All Pro selections and 95 seasons as primary starters.

    No. 2? Eight Pro Bowl players, 33 Pro Bowl invites, 12 first-team All Pro Selections and 84 seasons as primary starters.

    No. 3? Nine Pro Bowl players, 47 Pro Bowl invites, 12 first-team All Pro Selections and 100 seasons as primary starters.

    As you might have guessed, the overall success of players declines as one moves further down the draft. But it isn’t necessarily a straight line south. Since 2000, the No. 11 overall selection has produced 16 first-team All-Pro selections; 24th overall has combined for 33 Pro Bowl invites; 35th overall has recorded 77 seasons as starters. Picks 9 to 16 produced a combined 66 first-team All-Pro selections, 10 more than picks 1 to 8. But slots 33 to 40 only produced a combined 26 Pro Bowl players over these last 17 years — 12 fewer than slots 25 to 32, 16 fewer than slots 17 to 24, 39 fewer than slots 9 to 16, and 42 fewer than slots 1 to 8.

    The Rams hope to someday add No. 27.

    Les Snead has made five second-round picks in five prior drafts as the Rams’ general manager. Two (Janoris Jenkins and Lamarcus Joyner) turned out well. Two (Brian Quick and Isaiah Pead) did not. And one (Rob Havenstein) is still to be determined. This will be the eighth time in franchise history that the Rams are drafting 37th overall. The other seven selections …

    RB Robert Holcombe, 1998

    QB Ron Jaworski, 1973

    LB Fred Brown, 1965

    LB Johnny Baker, 1963

    DB Dewey McConnell, 1952

    Van Brocklin

    C Roger Harding, 1945

    Only the two quarterbacks — Van Brocklin and Jaworski — spent more than three seasons as starters.

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    Kiper Has Three Round Blueprint For LA Rams In 2017 NFL Draft

    ESPN’s lead NFL draft analyst has his “Grade A” mock for every team through three rounds. What does he think makes the most sense for the Rams?

    by Joe McAtee

    http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/4/19/15355400/2017-nfl-draft-la-rams-espns-kiper-mock-draft-grade-a

    Grading NFL draft classes is an exercise in near-impossibility.

    You’re projecting scheme fit, chemistry, health, development, level of difficulty and the unknown swells of the personnel tides often within days of the draft. But people click on it, so the world turns.

    Here’s ESPN’s Mel Kiper (insider sub required), the undeniable king of the draft grade, 11 months ago as the Los Angeles Rams wrapped up their headlining 2016 NFL Draft class:

    They traded a mint to move into place to get Jared Goff, and then they did a pretty good job of getting weapons in the passing game despite the fact that they didn’t have any picks in Rounds 2 or 3. I’m a fan of Goff — he is my No. 1 quarterback in this draft — but this is not a slam-dunk future franchise quarterback. They’ll need to be extremely patient and find ways to protect him. What they did do is hand him a couple of useful weapons in the passing game, a little reminiscent of how the Jags tried to add pass-catchers when they drafted Blake Bortles. Tyler Higbee is a second-round talent who got into trouble off the field and landed in the fourth. If you get the talent and not the drama, that’s a steal. Pharoh Cooper could be a stud in the slot. He is sudden in his movements, competitive after the catch and should have been drafted earlier. Ultimately, this draft is all about Goff. They gave up SO much for him, it has to work.

    Nothing wrong with the assessment, but you can see the fallacy pretty easily. A year removed and we’re nowhere closer to having any of the answers to the questions raised.

    So with a week and some hours ahead of the 2017 NFL Draft beginning, Kiper has his “Grade A” mock up (insider sub required) with the best course of action for each of the NFL’s 32 teams. Here’s what he charts for the Rams:

    Round 2 (37): Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy
    Round 3 (69): ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama

    With no first-round pick (traded to the Titans in last year’s Jared Goff deal), a new coach and several holes on their roster, the Rams must hit on their first pick. Adding to the offensive line could be the safest bet here. Los Angeles brought in Andrew Whitworth and John Sullivan as short-term solutions at left tackle and center, respectively, after giving up the second-most sacks in the league (49) last season, but this is still a need. Garcia started 42 games on the left side in college, and I think he could start at tackle immediately in the NFL. Stewart, my eighth-ranked receiver, is undersized (5-foot-11, 204 pounds), but he’s an all-around player and willing blocker.

    It’s certainly comfortable to add a pair of offensive prospects coming out of a season in which you put up the NFL’s worst offense. Even with the signings of Whitworth and Robert Woods, the tackle and wide receiver positions for the Rams offer little long-term comfort. I don’t think there’s anything strange, then, with the Garcia pick. I’ve got a similar lack of criticism of the Stewart pick. Without a great build, he’s an impressive athlete who has some versatility across the field and on the boundaries.

    What’s perhaps uncomfortable is the totality of Kiper’s mock when you look at it in order and not team-by-team.

    Kiper has Clemson QB Deshaun Watson going 39th overall. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but that seems like the kind of slide that is going to make a lot of teams look very bad, the kind that happens every year. Miami TE David Njoku is someone we’ve consistently seen out of reach for the Rams with the 37th overall pick. Kiper mocks him at #44.

    Into the third round past the Rams taking Stewart with the 69th overall pick, there’s just a ton of names we’ve seen go much, much, much higher quite frequently. At #70, Kiper sends Indiana G Dan Feeney to the New York Jets. Could the Rams pass on him twice? USC WR JuJu Smith-Schuster comes off three picks later. Ohio St. ILB Raekwon McMillan heads to the Arizona Cardinals at #77, a pick that would gut me. And Alabama OLB Tim Williams at #102 to the Seattle Seahawks?!

    The draft never shakes out in line with projections. The opportunity costs for the Rams who hold just two picks in the first 111 selections of the draft feel overwhelming.

    As Kiper’s mock shows, there are easy fits all over the place. Charting a course to turn around a franchise that hasn’t had a winning campaign in their last 13 seasons is going to take more than a pair of draft picks. But it’s going to be a hell of a starting point.

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    I have a niece who supported Sanders, and then lined up solidly behind Clinton when she won the nomination, and has been screaming about misogyny ever since. So what does that tell us?

    Nothing, really.

    There’s all kinds.

    Yeah see I resent the misogyny routine but it also makes me suspicious of the “just cause she was a woman” routine.

    For one thing, in fact, it is quite possible that many voters whose actual interests lined up more with Clinton than with Trump voted for Trump precisely because Hillary was female.

    The trick is that while we know that’s quite possible in some cases, we recognize that it would be way too much of a generalization to say that all people who voted for Trump, men and women, did so because they could not accept the idea of a female president.

    We know it happened…but over-generalizing about it does not work.

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    Just a quick follow-up. It is probably as statistically true that there was a percentage of misogynists–or at least men who could not envision a woman as a leader–who voted for Sanders over Hillary because of gender, as there were women who voted for Hillary because of gender. No one can know how statistically general that was, but it would be reasonable to say both things happened.

    But. It is most likely not true that most (or even a lot of) male Sanders voters were motivated primarily by gender, and I would think it is also equally most likely not true that most (or even a lot of) women voted for Hillary because of gender.

    So I just suggest that we resist both statements. Because even if we can demonstrate that a certain percentage of women voted for Hillary because she is female, it is likely to be just as true—and just as irrelevant in the big picture—that a certain percentage of men voted for Sanders over Hillary because, consciously or not, they have issues with the idea that a woman can be a president.

    Personally I don’t care for either statement. I think the problem with Hillary diehards (and I know male Hillary diehards of course) is that they are deeply invested in establishment dem liberal ideas and views, and cannot (for any number of reasons) hear critiques of that stuff.

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    I have personally seen and heard a lot of women echo these arguments. Mythic Sally emphasized misogyny.

    And it’s not because they shut their brains off and just identified with her as a woman. It’s because they are establishment dem liberals.

    That has nothing to do with why they think she was defeated. That’s a separate issue.

    But really, it’s not the case that women ignored reality and identified with Hillary because of gender. The problem with the women who are diehard defenders of Hillary is that they like her are establishment type liberals.

    So yes there’s bad analysis of why she lost. But that bad analysis of why she lost does not mean a bunch of people shut their eyes to truth and identified with a candidate solely and simply because of gender. It just means those particular women identified, as they had in previous elections, with establishment dems and so forth.

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    I believe that this is true. And I think because so many women invested themselves emotionally in the symbolism of Hillary,

    I don;’t agree.

    A lot of women are establishment liberals who do not go along with our critiques.

    It’s not cause they’re blind cause they’re women and Hillary’s a woman. It’s not that we have a truth they can’t hear because they blinded themselves through emotional attachment to a symbol. Unlike us.

    That in its own way is a naive statement. In fact, guys, in its own way, is as limited a thing to say as Sally saying Bernie followers were misogynist white males.

    It is precisely for the same reason as every single other political decision maker out there male or female.

    They actually directly identified with the policies and platform and were fine with it and saw Sanders as this pie in the sky “out there” socialist. Like it or not, agree or not.

    Now the only basis for responding to that is precisely this—we DON’T SHARE THAT POLITICAL VISION.

    Not that somehow we are the truth givers and they are blinded by their women-identified emotions.

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    While she won the women’s vote easily–she lost the white women who did not go to college. Obama won those votes. And since she ran such a gender driven campaign she really lost the white males.

    PA it’s always good when you;re in a discussion here so keep it up. I am going to use your remark there as a jumping off point but it’s just that, a diving board. In some ways this is going to sound like a directed screed with targets and simple points BUT it’s not. It’s just a gray-inspired wandering in the gray zones of all this. Part of places like this and discussions like this is just seizing the chance to wander around with thoughts.

    I think we, meaning all of us, are often in danger of reproducing the very essentialism we seem to be speaking against. Why? Cause this is tricky. Essentialism, which is a very important concept IMO, is this–when you take someone’s overt and apparent “position” in the race gender class dynamic (eg. I am a white male) and act as if that’s who the person is, to their core, when in fact those things (race class gender) are not set or fixed or easily predictable. That’s what I didn’t like about Ms. Mythic Sally’s pronouncements—she wasn’t a feminist, or if she was she was a bad one, she was an everyday bad old essentialist. “White male misogyny” is in her voice to me the same as “muslim extremist hijad wearing terrorist” in another, different kind of essentialist voice.

    Hillary is not my candidate though I voted for her in the general because my line was, Trump is even worse than you think.

    She did not lose those people, the ones you list, PA, the mood of the moment did. The mood of the moment magnified the “muslim threat” and contained all of these (said from THAT point of view) black affronts to civilization. Remember, this is the time where, CORRECTLY IMO, some point to the fact that Kaepernick’s demonstration actually cost the NFL a percentage of its audience (I know it’s other things too but that was part of it).

    It wasn’t just class, it was resurgent racial attitudes from the past. That’s huge, it’s part of this.

    Race and gender are not just symbols. They are lived things. They are real at the policy level too. In fact in the USA the 3 things — race gender class — can’t be isolated from one another. There’s no separate fate for any one of the three things. I personally know I am better off in this country by virtue of being a white male professional. BUT at the same time, and this is why it’s tricky, it never pays to be essentialist about stuff–it is always, at the end of the day, a falsification.

    So what I objected to in the Mythic Ms Sally’s remarks was the presumption that came from basic ordinary dumbass essentializing. I don’t begrudge her being a woman and wanting a woman president. In fact to me, when I am caught in a debate with a diehard establishment dem, I don’t even pick up the gender issue–I am just not going to say, well her being a woman makes no difference (it did. WHAT KIND OF DIFFERENCE though? and that’s where it’s tricky.) AT THE SAME TIME I fully get the essentialist trap and am a deep believer that it’s all about policies. Hillary’s policies would be far better than Trump’s though nowhere near as good as Sanders’s.

    I don’t have a simple point, really, just that we too can fall into the very traps we guard against. There is no pure position where all tricks and traps and complications fall away and we’re just “right.” So when I heard Mythic Sally say Bernie was all about white misogynist males, I had 2 responses at the same time. One was, both my wife and 2 daughters were dedicated Sanders people. So don’t generalize. The other was, yes gender issues are out there, they’re real, and resisting them is real—if I were predisposed to be blind to that my wife and 2 daughters would constantly enlighten me.

    Finally though the thing about Mythic Sally that bugged me the most, personally, wasn’t driven by the content of what she said, it was the style. The style is, this is all about essentialist categories and I am just right. To ME anyway saying Sanders was ALL ABOUT white male misogyny is really no different from saying Obama was all about muslims are all the same and always the enemy.

    Anyway this is why it’s tricky. Race gender and class are all equally real things. At the same time that fact in itself can lead to all kinds of too easy essentialism. So it’s a narrow path with thorns on one side and fire ants on the other. ‘

    It’s complicated.

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    But, maybe not. Maybe she’s stewing hard over it because I pissed her off so much. Dunno. Probably not, but that’s part of the risk, I guess.

    Well, basically, forget about her. She strikes me as being too prejudiced to learn. Honest, that was an honest impression. But onlookers coulda gotten something out of it, and we have a good discussion here, which includes onlookers too (maybe even the NSA) (!). Sometimes it’s not so much convincing someone as standing up to them, too. Sometimes you just have to stand up and serve the cause.

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    The problem: You are arguing with her and she is arguing with you. No one ever “wins” an argument on FB or any electronic message board. I’ve never won an argument here. IMO any hope of gaining an understanding of another’s view is hopelessly lost once an “argument” begins.

    It is true that no one wins an argument of that kind, which is mostly based on a conflict of viewpoints–people are almost literally just comparing the different ways in which they see the world.

    In fact, there is so much psychological and sociological evidence that when confronted with facts that directly challenge someone’s key ideological assumptions, the effect is not to give them pause (let alone convince them) but to make them double down on their original beliefs. Evidence is actually counter-productive, they say. People just dig in deeper.

    However, often clashes like that are for the benefit of the onlookers, who are in effect being invited to sort through the logic of different positions.

    Now, is reasonable discussion possible, where people aren’t being asked to abandon positions that mean a lot to them emotionally, but can instead just trade perspectives? Yes that’s possible and I have seen it.

    And also we have to think about the fact that we actually do want to challenge a lot of dominant ideas because they are destructive and repugnant.

    My own thing is, I will stand up to ideas I find disturbing, or reactionary, or destructive, or even illusory. I do it in social media, I do it in life. Not a lot—much more of my nature is occupied by curiosity, exploring, taking pleasure in good things like friendly human contact or good reading than by deep conflicted political issues. I would never strike you in real life as being a dogmatic or fanatical politico. But I do get into it now and then. In real life, it’s rare. This board is dedicated to controversial discussion so it is more likely to occur here. In any event I have no theory of how to do it. I have no plan, no system, no “approach.” I just jump in. From experience I learned that you can’t convince people who are set in a view…BUT maybe you can contribute to the process whereby they eventually re-think things. Every now and then you have to step up and just oppose something that’s repellent, like Zooey does above, where his opponent got into ordinary political trolling and said that most supporters of Sanders were misogynist white men (jeesh). Often you just want to be reasonable sounding and do a quick take on something to let it be known different views exist. Etc.

    What I value about THIS place is that’s a community where people share ideas, thought, perceptions, info, arguments, reading. Those kinds of resources are important. Discussions like this one right here have a compelling energy and interest. I am glad it exists.

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    Hot 150: Gil Brandt’s top-ranked prospects for 2017 NFL Draft

    Gil Brandt

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000800363/article/hot-150-gil-brandts-topranked-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft%5B

    This is the 57th year I have produced rankings of NFL draft prospects. In the early years when I was with the Cowboys, we had only a fraction of the information we have today, with very few confirmed measurements and times for prospects.

    But that has all changed. I can now look at my database and pull the confirmed short-shuttle or three-cone time of the 947th-ranked prospect instantaneously … and in a matter of seconds have on my computer screen in front of me all the third-down-and-short run plays he was involved in at his Div. III school.

    It makes an evaluator’s job easier and harder at the same time. There’s so much more to consider with the overload of information, but ultimately it’s more accurate info, which should (in theory) make draft boards around the league more informed and precise.

    With that said, here are my “Hot 150” prospects for the 2017 NFL Draft.

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    Myles Garrett – DE, Texas A&M
    Three-year player with the Aggies. Has long arms (35 1/4 inches) and is very strong (33 bench lifts at the combine). Had 31.0 career sacks at A&M, with only 12 coming against SEC competition. Can be a game-changer, but needs to learn pass-rush moves. Just turned 21 last December.
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    Leonard Fournette – RB, LSU
    Three-year player at LSU. First player in Louisiana history to win national high school player of the year honors twice. Started six games in 2014, rushing for 1,034 yards and 10 touchdowns, with a 5.5-yard average. He also had a 26.0-yard average as a kick returner. Led nation in 2015 with 1,953 rushing yards (6.5-yard average) and 22 touchdowns, finishing sixth in Heisman voting. Suffered left ankle injury in 2016 fall camp and did not play well, finishing with 843 yards and eight TDs in seven games. In two career games vs. Alabama, rushed for just 66 yards. Very explosive runner. Had best 20-yard time of any running back at the combine. Looks like a linebacker when you meet him in person.
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    Solomon Thomas – DE, Stanford
    Spent three years at Stanford, but only played two after being redshirted in 2014. Strong (30 bench lifts at combine) and explosive (35-inch vertical). Has great short-area quickness. Very tough. Outstanding character, intelligence and leadership skills; could one day hold political office if he so chooses. Best position could be left defensive end, but will be a very good tackle because of speed and quickness.
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    Marshon Lattimore – CB, Ohio State
    Was at Ohio State for three years but missed 2014 season with a hamstring injury that required surgery. After limited play in 2015, started 12 games. Was targeted 35 times last season, with 14 burns (40 percent), allowing only one touchdown. Had four interceptions, returning one for a touchdown. Ten of his burns came against receivers between 6-feet and 6-3. Had 74 plays on special teams. Has great ball skills with outstanding speed. Very fluid. Small hands (8 7/8 inches).
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    Jamal Adams – S, LSU
    Three-year player at LSU. Played nickel cornerback as a freshman in 2014. Started 24 total games at strong safety in 2015 and 2016 when he was targeted 36 times with 12 burns (33 percent). Last season, he allowed only one touchdown, had an interception, and made 73 tackles. Had 124 plays on special teams. Never had a holding or interference called against him. Good NFL bloodlines: father, George, played running back at Kentucky and was 19th overall pick of Giants in 1985. Tremendous pro day; ran 4.45-second 40-yard dash.
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    Malik Hooker – S, Ohio State
    Three-year player with the Buckeyes. Outstanding athlete. High school team in Pennsylvania won two state championships — the only two years he played as a prep. Redshirted as a freshman at Ohio State and used primarily as a backup in 2015. Had big year in 2016. Targeted 36 times, with 16 burns (44 percent), only one TD allowed, seven interceptions, including three returned for scores. No interference or holding calls against him. Had 74 tackles last season, and played 96 snaps on special teams. Great recovery speed. Tough and competitive. Limited playing experience but has tremendous upside as a player.
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    Jonathan Allen – DT, Alabama
    Four-year player in Tuscaloosa, and even got experience as a true freshman. Very strong. Had 28.5 sacks during his time at Alabama, second-best total in school history. Very quick. Played defensive end in Alabama’s 3-4 front. Makes plays in big games. Blocked PAT in one-point victory over Arkansas. Named SEC Defensive Player of the Year in 2016. Very good use of hands. Great instincts. Outstanding character. Reminds me of the Buccaneers’ Gerald McCoy.
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    Mitchell Trubisky – QB, North Carolina
    Redshirted in 2013, and played very little the next two seasons. When he did play in 2015, he played well, completing 40 of 47 passes for 555 yards, six touchdowns and no interceptions. Had a breakout year last season, completing 68 percent of his passes for 3,748 yards, 30 TDs and six INTs. Has very good accuracy. Moves around well. Quick release. Has traits that usually translate to NFL success. Led back-to-back come-from-behind victories vs. Pitt and Florida State. Poorest game came in loss vs. Virginia Tech when he completed just 13 of 33 passes with two INTs. Was sacked 20 times in 13 games in 2016. Had good success in the red zone.
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    Deshaun Watson – QB, Clemson
    Three-time Georgia high school player of the year. Started five games as a true freshman in 2014. Completed 60 percent of his passes and won 90 percent of his starts in his three years at Clemson. Reminds me of Alex Smith, the No. 1 overall pick of the 49ers in 2005; he doesn’t have the strongest arm, but he has great character, is accurate, and is a proven winner. Grew up in house built by Warrick Dunn’s foundation for single mothers.
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    John Ross – WR, Washington
    Played wide receiver, kick returner, and some at cornerback as a true freshman in 2013. Made four starts at wide receiver in 2014, before suffering a torn ACL in spring of 2015 that forced him to redshirt the entire season. Came back in 2016 for a breakout year in which he was targeted 131 times, with 81 catches and 17 touchdowns and only three drops. Fifty-one of those receptions were for first downs. Will willingly go over the middle to catch the ball. Very tough. Tracks ball well. Has great speed and explosiveness. Very athletic. Hands are on the small side (8 3/4 inches).
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    Gareon Conley – CB, Ohio State
    Three-year player at Ohio State who started 26 games over the last two seasons. Of the 44 times he was targeted in 2016, he was burned only 16 times (36 percent), gave up only one touchdown, and had four interceptions. He also had only one third-down defensive holding call against him. Outstanding athlete; had a 37-inch vertical jump at the combine. Has long arms (33 inches). Needs to get stronger. Day 1 starter in the NFL.
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    Christian McCaffrey – RB, Stanford
    Good NFL bloodlines: father, Ed, played 13 years in the NFL and has three Super Bowl rings; brother, Max, is on the Packers roster. Three-year player at Stanford who was used in many capacities. Tough matchup for opponents. Can run, catch and return kicks. Has outstanding work habits and is an exceptional athlete (37.5-inch vertical and 6.57-second three-cone at combine). Great character. Outstanding, but small, hands (9 inches). Needs to increase upper-body strength.
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    O.J. Howard – TE, Alabama
    Four-year player at Alabama who returned for senior season to improve his blocking. Had 45 catches in 2016 on 55 targets, with only two drops with a freshman QB; 24 receptions were for first downs. Played 150 special-teams snaps. Very athletic (4.16-second short shuttle, 6.85-second three-cone, and an exceptional 1.52-second 10-yard dash). Has big-play ability; averaged 26.5 yards on four catches in last season’s national title game against Clemson.
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    Reuben Foster – LB, Alabama
    Four-year linebacker who played regularly as a true freshman in 2013. Won Butkus Award in 2016 when he finished with 115 tackles. Very tough, competitive player. Very athletic. Was targeted 40 times in 2016 and opponents caught the ball 23 times. No one plays harder, but style of play has led to injuries; he’s currently rehabbing from shoulder surgery. Can he stay healthy at 230 pounds? Has overcome a lot in his life to get where he is today.
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    Cam Robinson – OT, Alabama
    Father is Steve Foley, who played in the NFL for seven years. Started 43 consecutive games in his three seasons at Alabama. Team captain. Has 35.5-inch arms. Very good initial quickness (1.77-second 10-yard dash at combine). Very good competitor. Allowed only one sack in 2016 — against Tennessee’s Derek Barnett, who also had three pressures in the game. Big, strong hands (10.5 inches). Called for only one holding penalty but had 10 false starts. Should play long time in the NFL at a high level.
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    Derek Barnett – DE, Tennessee
    Three-year player at Tennessee who had more sacks (33, including 13 in 2016) than Reggie White did with the Vols. Participated in everything at the combine despite being ill. Had 29 of his 33 sacks vs. SEC teams. Played 76 snaps on special teams. Plays with energy and outstanding effort. Highly motivated. Has body frame to put on additional weight. Great character.
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    Charles Harris – DE, Missouri
    Played four years at Mizzou, but his junior season was stronger than his senior year, mostly due to a change in defense. Very good athlete. Has bend and burst off end of the line. Had nine sacks and 54 pressures in 2016. Very good initial quickness. High-effort player. Can develop into a very good pass rusher in the NFL.
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    Parick Mahomes – QB, Texas Tech
    Three-year player at Texas Tech. Very strong arm; threw the ball 60 mph at the combine. Set NCAA record vs. Oklahoma in 2016 when he passed for 734 yards, completing 52 of 88 attempts, with five touchdowns and adding 87 yards rushing. Had 41 passing TDs in his final season at TTU. Good athlete; son of Major League pitcher Pat Mahomes. Would have been a high MLB draft pick coming out of high school were it not for his commitment to football at Tech. Will need time to develop in the NFL, maybe two years. With a good work ethic and a team’s patience, he could play in the NFL for a long time.
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    Ryan Ramczyk – OT, Wisconsin
    Only played one year at Wisconsin after transferring from Div. III UW-Stevens Point and being redshirted in 2015. Took unusual route to NFL but great story of perseverance. Played great in 2016, allowing only one sack, with no holding penalties and just two false starts. Played in more than 900 snaps in 14 games. Very good competitor. Needs to work on upper-body strength. Very good feet. Recovering from hip surgery.
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    Jarrad Davis – LB, Florida
    Two-year starter at Florida. Can play middle or outside ‘backer. Very competitive. Had 14 tackles vs. Vanderbilt. Missed four of last five games in 2016 with an ankle injury, which forced him to sit out the Senior Bowl and combine. However, he showed off his athleticism at the Gators’ pro day. Plays well in space. Very explosive tackler. Very good on special teams. Tough, smart player.
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    Jabrill Peppers – S, Michigan
    Three-year player who came into his own in 2016. Won four state titles at two different high schools in New Jersey. Played multiple positions on both offense and defense at Michigan, but his best is probably safety. Can return kickoffs and punts. Dropped some passes that should have been intercepted at UM’s pro day. Was burned nine times on 14 targets in 2016 — not good. Peppers is a pure football player. You need to figure out how to use him; and if you can’t, don’t draft him. Otherwise, you’ll be doing him and yourself a huge disservice.
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    Garett Bolles – OT, Utah
    Played only one year at major-college level after transferring from a junior college. Started 13 games at left tackle in 2016 and gave up just two sacks. Had seven holding and seven false start penalties. Will be 25 years old next month. Has elevated stock because of the lack of quality linemen in this draft, but he has a good chance to find success in the NFL. Good pick with some risk.
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    Mike Williams – WR, Clemson
    Four-year player at Clemson. Reminds some of Keyshawn Johnson, the first player taken in the 1996 draft. Had 98 catches in 2016. Has good size and body control needed for success at position. Not the fastest receiver or best blocker. Former basketball player. Had five drops on 145 targets in 2016, and 63 of his catches went for first downs. Will win most 50-50 balls thrown his way. Exceptional receiver on back-shoulder throws.
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    Takkarist McKinley – DE, UCLA
    Transferred to UCLA from junior college. Long arms (34 3/4 inches) and quick get-off to rush passer. Had 10 sacks and 54 pressures in 2016. Most sacks/pressures came against lowly regarded offensive linemen. At combine, did not perform well in short shuttle or three-cone — drills that show short-area quickness. Has some pass-rush ability.
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    Dalvin Cook – RB, Florida State
    Three-year player at FSU, where he became the school’s all-time leading rusher in yards (4,464) and touchdowns (46). Exceptional vision as a runner, a trait Bill Parcells believes is the most important for a running back. Has strength and is tough. Plays fast. Good but not great hands, and some questions linger about his pass-protection skills. Has had some off-field problems in past, but seems like a good kid when you meet him. Has had three shoulder surgeries since high school.
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    Adoree’ Jackson – CB, USC
    Three-year player who started 10 games in 2014 as a true freshman, including some at wide receiver. Very athletic. Outstanding kick-return skills; returned eight for touchdowns at USC. Has outstanding burst. High burn percentage in 2016 (52 percent), burn yards (499) and touchdowns allowed (7). Needs to play one position and forget about track. Teams are betting on speed and athletic ability with him. He’s either a slot corner or wide receiver, and a kick returner.
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    Quincy Wilson – CB, Florida
    Three-year player for Gators. Has the size needed to match up with the new breed of NFL receivers. Strong, can re-route receivers. Smart, quick and competitive. Ran incredible 4.02-second short shuttle at the combine. Was targeted by opposing quarterbacks 47 times and had a very respectable burn rate of 34 percent (16 catches), plus nine passes defensed. Had three career INT returns for touchdowns. Father, Chad Wilson, was a corner at the University of Miami.
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    Kevin King – CB, Washington
    Played safety first two years with the Huskies, moved to corner last two seasons. Was targeted by opposing quarterbacks 51 times in 2016, with 23 burns (45 percent) and did not surrender a touchdown. Had a very good combine. Has exceptional short-area quickness (3.89-second short shuttle, 6.56-second three-cone). Can play both safety and cornerback. Played 92 snaps on special teams.
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    David Njoku – TE, Miami
    Played just two seasons at Miami, with only nine starts. Grew up in Nigeria, where parents still live. One of nine children. Only 20 years old. Uber-athletic; was national high jump champion in high school, and had a 37.5-inch vertical and 11-foot-1 broad jump at the combine. On 74 targets in 2016, he had four drops and eight TDs. Has unlimited potential. A risk because he’s still somewhat raw, but one worth taking because of upside.
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    Tre’Davious White – CB, LSU
    Started 11 games in 2013 as a true freshman. Has started 47 games in four years at LSU. Good ball skills. Can return punts (three for touchdowns at LSU). Very athletic; was an outstanding high school basketball player. Hard worker in offseason. Not flashy but dependable. Had 20 burns on 51 targets (respectable 39 percent), with two TDs allowed and 17 passes defensed, in 2016. Played 155 special teams snaps.
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    Corey Davis – WR, Western Michigan
    Four-year player with the Broncos who played as a true freshman in 2013 (67 catches). WMU was only Division I offer he had coming out of high school. Only player in FBS history with more than 300 catches, 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns. Very good hands, but had seven drops on 142 targets in 2016. Biggest question: Will he be able to separate against NFL defensive backs? A lot like Cowboys WR Terrance Williams. Didn’t face a lot of top competition, and struggled some vs. Ohio State in 2015.
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    Chidobe Awuzie – CB, Colorado
    Started seven games as a true freshman in 2013. Did not play well vs. Oklahoma State in bowl game (turf toe injury). Had an exceptional 1.50-second 10-yard dash at the combine. Very good tackler. Smart and tough. Can play corner, nickel and safety. Great character. Comes from a strong family. In 2016 he was targeted 63 times, with 31 burns (49 percent) and two touchdowns allowed.
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    DeShone Kizer – QB, Notre Dame
    Three-year player for the Irish, with 23 starts after being redshirted in 2014. Didn’t start Week 1 last fall vs. Texas, but entered in reserve and nearly brought Notre Dame back to win. Has tremendous upside, maybe more than any quarterback in this draft. Very good arm strength. Has quick release, but his accuracy needs improvement. Did not play as well in 2016 as he did in 2015, but that was due to a lack of talent around him after losing key weapons. Has talent and athletic ability. Needs time with top quarterback coach like Kyle Shanahan at San Francisco.
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    Evan Engram – TE, Ole Miss
    Started six games as a true freshman in 2013. Will be a matchup nightmare for opponents. Has wide receiver speed. Tracks the ball well. Not sure how big he will get (240 pounds?). Natural leader; two-time captain. Four drops on 40 targets in 2016. Played big vs. Alabama and Florida State, with 18 combined catches for 259 yards and a pair of touchdowns. Had exceptional pro day workout.
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    Curtis Samuel – RB, Ohio State
    Three-year player for the Buckeyes. Played mostly running back. Will be a Percy Harvin-type of player in the NFL. Very fast. Will catch going across the middle. Despite lack of experience, more advanced than you might think at receiver. Started at H-back in 2016. Look at Michigan tape and you see a future NFL star in the making.
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    JuJu Smith-Schuster – WR, USC
    Very young; won’t turn 21 until November. Started 12 games as a true freshman. Did not have a good quarterback at the start of the 2016 season (only one catch vs. Alabama in opener). Needs work as a route runner. Very strong and has big hands. Wins most 50-50 balls.
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    Haason Reddick – DE, Temple
    Came to Temple as a defensive back walk-on, and redshirted his first season. Played linebacker in 2013 before settling in at defensive end in 2014. Had breakout season in 2016 with 10.5 sacks and 29 pressures. Good quickness and burst. Very tough and competitive. Biggest question: Is he better with his hand in the ground or as a 3-4 ‘backer? Wore No. 7 at Temple; defensive players are given single-digit numbers for toughness. Had off-campus fight in 2015 and was able to avoid a trial by agreeing to be placed in a diversionary program. Played 121 special teams snaps.
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    Marcus Williams – S, Utah
    Started six games in 2014 as a true freshman. Very athletic; had 43.5-inch vertical, 10-foot-9 broad jump, and 6.85-second three-cone drill at the combine. Very instinctive as a free safety. Very good hands. He was targeted 19 times by opposing quarterbacks in 2016, with five INTs and five burns for a very low burn rate of 26 percent. Participated on 98 special teams snaps. Will start as first-year player in NFL, might even play corner for certain teams.
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    Josh Jones – S, N.C. State
    Entered N.C. State as a running back out of high school. Redshirted in 2013. Played strong safety in 2014 and 2015, moved to free safety last season. Physical player, very aggressive. Had impressive 37.5-inch vertical jump at the combine. Was burned on 24 of 44 targets in 2016 (55 percent), three touchdowns allowed and three interceptions. Had 78 special teams plays. Impact tackler; had double-digit tackles in six games this past fall, 109 for season.
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    Jordan Willis – DE, Kansas St.
    Four-year player who was highly respected by coach Bill Snyder at K-State. Will compete hard from snap to whistle, and beyond. Against West Virginia last season he had two sacks and nine pressures in a game he had to come off the field twice with injuries, only to return both times. Had 11.5 sacks for the season and was named Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year. Has great first-move quickness to go along with a 39-inch vertical. Team captain. Player whose stock rose through testing and as teams got to know him.
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    Forrest Lamp – G, Western Kentucky
    Five-year player at WKU who started 51 games, 48 at left tackle. Very strong; had 34 lifts at the combine. Good quickness off the ball. Had good short shuttle and three-cone times. History of wrist injuries is concerning. Very smart with good character. Try-hard player who is better suited at guard and could even end up at center.
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    Taco Charlton – DE, Michigan
    Four-year player who had only started four games going into 2016 season. Had best game of college career against Ohio State (2.5 sacks, 3 pressures, 9 tackles), a performance that opened many eyes among NFL scouts. Finished with 10 sacks in 2016. Ran better at his pro day (4.85-second 40) after running 4.92 at the combine. Has long arms (34 1/4 inches). Looks the part, but does not always play the part. Very inconsistent. Underachiever label. Has size you want for position. Might be best suited to play left end.
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    Marlon Humphrey – CB, Alabama
    Spent three years at Alabama, but played only two, with 29 starts. Has size, speed and intelligence needed for position. Has trouble finding the ball, which might not be correctable. Was targeted 58 times by opposing quarterbacks, with 28 burns (48 percent), and 492 yards and four touchdowns allowed in 2016. Had two interceptions, one he returned for a touchdown vs. USC. Father, Bobby Humphrey, was a first-round pick of the Denver Broncos in 1989 and played five years in the league.
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    Marcus Maye – S, Florida
    Five-year player with the Gators. Injured and didn’t work out at the combine. Had a great pro day workout; ran the 40 in 4.46 seconds, had a 4.16-second short shuttle, and a 7.07-second three-cone drill. Played free safety at Florida. Was targeted 16 times by opposing quarterbacks in 2016, with just four burns (25 percent) and one TD allowed. Very good special teams player (113 snaps in 2016). Has quick feet and very good anticipation. Can play slot corner. Very smart. Has shot to be a first-year starter in the NFL.
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    Malik McDowell – DT, Michigan State
    Three-year player for the Spartans who had 22 starts in two years. Missed three games with an ankle injury at end of 2016 season. Very athletic. Plays tall; difficult to change this. Only 20 years old. Very immature and did not interview well at the combine. Can run down opposing players. Had just 1.5 sacks and 17 pressures in nine games in 2016. Classic boom-or-bust player.
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    Zach Cunningham – LB, Vanderbilt
    Entered Vandy at 200 pounds and redshirted first year. Started five games in 2014, and has been the SEC’s leading tackler the past two seasons. Looks lean at 234, but has the body frame to add another 20 pounds. Not real strong; only had 15 strength lifts at the combine. Had 35-inch vertical and 10-foot-5 broad jump. Very smart. Hands are a question. Had no interceptions in his three years of playing. High-character person. Patriots coach Bill Belichick came to his pro day.
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    Tim Williams – LB, Alabama
    Four-year player at Alabama who was never a full-time starter. Pass-rush specialist. Very explosive. Will need to become stronger. A lot like Bruce Irvin, the 15th overall pick by Seattle in 2012. Has history of character problems. Will compete on the field. Not sure he can play in space.
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    Chris Wormley – DE, Michigan
    Five-year player at Michigan who redshirted in 2012 and finished with 30 starts. Team captain. Named Michigan’s best defensive lineman in each of past two seasons. Had 18 career sacks. Terrific pro day; sister, mother, and grandmother all traveled from Toledo to attend. Will be good, steady player for team that drafts him.
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    Ryan Anderson – OLB, Alabama
    Five-year player who didn’t start until last season. Best as a 3-4 linebacker. Very competitive player. Had 8.5 sacks in 2016, with one interception and four forced fumbles. Was targeted by opposing quarterbacks 10 times last season, giving up just 33 receiving yards on four receptions. Strong tackler. Had 117 snaps on special teams. Some off-field problems in 2015.
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    Dan Feeney – OL, Indiana
    Started 12 games as a true freshman in 2012, but was redshirted in 2013 with foot injury. Finished with 46 career starts at Indiana. Played center in Senior Bowl. One NFC East team thinks he is a better defensive line prospect. Allowed just two sacks in four years. Very tough. Does a good job vs. blitz. Smart player and good leader; was a captain for two years. Played both tackle and guard at IU. All-Big Ten First Team in 2015 and 2016.

    51. Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State
    52. Pat Elflein, C, Ohio State
    53. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
    54. Ethan Pocic, C, LSU
    55. Budda Baker, S, Washington
    56. Dorian Johnson, OL, Pittsburgh
    57. Daeshon Hall, DE, Texas A&M
    58. Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU
    59. Tedric Thompson, S, Colorado
    60. T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin

    61. Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan
    62. Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
    63. Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington
    64. Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma
    65. Teez Tabor, CB, Florida
    66. Dion Dawkins, OL, Temple
    67. Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston
    68. Obi Melifonwu, S, Connecticut
    69. Desmond King, CB, Iowa
    70. ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama

    71. Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
    72. Raekwon McMillan, LB, Ohio State
    73. Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
    74. Dawuane Smoot, DE, Illinois
    75. Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
    76. Carl Lawson, DE, Auburn
    77. Duke Riley, OLB, LSU
    78. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
    79. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
    80. Brian Hill, RB, Wyoming

    81. Davis Webb, QB, Cal
    82. Joshua Dobbs, QB, Tennessee
    83. Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah
    84. Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee
    85. Zach Banner, OT, USC
    86. Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas
    87. D’Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
    88. Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
    89. Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin
    90. James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh

    91. Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State
    92. Alex Anzalone, LB, Florida
    93. Shaquill Griffin, CB, Central Florida
    94. Jaleel Johnson, DT, Iowa
    95. Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova
    96. Julie’n Davenport, OT, Bucknell
    97. Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma
    98. Nathan Peterman, QB, Pittsburgh
    99. David Sharpe, OT, Florida
    100. Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida

    101. George Kittle, TE, Iowa
    102. Ricky Seals-Jones, TE, Texas A&M
    103. Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA
    104. Gerald Everett, TE, South Alabama
    105. Ishmael Zamora, WR, Baylor
    106. Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech
    107. Chad Hansen, WR, Cal
    108. Taylor Moton, OL, Western Michigan
    109. Nazair Jones, DT, North Carolina
    110. Nico Siragusa, OL, San Diego State

    111. DeMarcus Walker, DL, FSU
    112. Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami
    113. John Johnson, S, Boston College
    114. Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU
    115. KD Cannon, WR, Baylor
    116. Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois
    117. Jake Butt, TE, Michigan
    118. Danny Isidora, OG, Miami
    119. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
    120. Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson

    121. Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
    122. Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
    123. Carlos Henderson, WR-KR, Louisiana Tech
    124. Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
    125. Anthony Walker, LB, Northwestern
    126. Tarell Basham, DE, Ohio
    127. Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky
    128. Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown St.
    129. Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego St.
    130. Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy

    131. Howard Wilson, CB, Houston
    132. Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo
    133. Jehu Chesson, WR, Michigan
    134. Jessamen Dunker, OG, Tennessee St.
    135. Fadol Brown, DE, Ole Miss
    136. Collin Buchanan, OT, Miami (Ohio)
    137. Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M
    138. Larry Ogunjobi, OT, UNC-Charlotte
    139. Jonnu Smith, TE, Florida International
    140. Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virginia

    141. Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St.
    142. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
    143. Tarik Cohen, RB-KR, North Carolina A&T
    144. Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota
    145. Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State
    146. Brandon Barnes, TE, Alabama St.
    147. Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
    148. Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
    149. C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa
    150. Deatrich Wise, DE, Arkansas

    in reply to: St. Louis suing NFL over Rams' relocation #67573
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    Mr Nice Guy wrote:

    ESPN Legal Analyst Lester Munson: “StL has a case” against Kroenke/Demoff/Rams, much weaker against the other 31 owners & the league.

    Munson was on local sports talk today regarding the lawsuit. He claimed that there is a solid case regarding Kroenke/Demoffs misleading statements. Also said that if the NFL doesn’t settle (he indicated he didn’t think they will) the Rams will have to turn over all their records, emails, etc for discovery. He said that StL has a decent case just with the comments mentioned in the suit itself & that after discovery the case could only improve.

    His thoughts on how the whole thing would play out was that he thought Kroenke would settle so he doesn’t have to testify he tagged the amount at $50-$100 million

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    Dang. I was just beginning to warm up to the guy.

    So…none of it is true eh?

    Oh well.

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    NFL Draft Needs: Rams

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    Evan Silva

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-draft-needs-rams-121800816–spt.html

    Evan Silva (@EvanSilva) is the Senior Football Editor for Rotoworld’s NFL Page, and Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) leads Rotoworld’s college football and NFL draft coverage. Together, they’re breaking down every team’s biggest needs and offering potential draft-day solutions.

    Rams No. 1 Team Need: Offensive Line

    Silva’s Analysis

    The Rams’ line couldn’t block anyone last year. Andrew Whitworth solidifies left tackle in the short term, but he turns 36 during the season. After a sophomore step back, RT Rob Havenstein is converting to guard. Cement-footed LT failure Greg Robinson will apparently be auditioned on the right side. With 22-year-old stringbean Jared Goff at quarterback, it is imperative that Los Angeles finds at least one new offensive line starter. The most pressing up-front needs are center and tackle.

    Rams No. 2 Team Need: Pass Catcher

    Silva’s Analysis

    The Rams used nine draft picks on wide receivers and tight ends during the five-year Jeff Fisher era. Today, their No. 1 wide receiver is Robert Woods and their No. 1 tight end is Tyler Higbee.

    Rams No. 3 Team Need: Defensive Back

    Silva’s Analysis

    In LCB Trumaine Johnson, slot CB/FS Lamarcus Joyner, and SS Maurice Alexander, each of the Rams’ top-three defensive backs are entering contract years. Los Angeles made the mistake of letting Janoris Jenkins (Giants) walk a year ago, and lost FS T.J. McDonald (Dolphins) in 2017 free agency. This secondary is hanging by a thread.

    Other Considerations: Defensive Line, Linebacker, Quarterback, Running Back

    Norris’ Mock Draft

    Round 2 (37): C/G Pat Elflein, Ohio State – Elflein is an immediate starter at center or guard, spots where he starred at Ohio State. His testing was well below average, which could keep him out of the first round. Despite spending eight picks over the last three drafts on offensive linemen, the Rams’ front five is a mess outside of free agent pickup Andrew Whitworth. Elflein would help anchor it.

    Round 3 (69): WR Taywan Taylor, Western Kentucky – I am Taywan’s biggest fan. He can win outside and inside, big and small, as well as after the catch. He is the type of player the Rams need on offense.

    Round 4 (112): CB Shaquill Griffin, UCF – An outstanding athlete who might be available on the third day due to the depth of this corner class. As Evan mentioned, the Rams’ corners look quite different than two years ago, and might look even more different in 2018.

    Round 4 (141): EDGE Joe Mathis, Washington – Pass rushers are difficult to find, and Wade Phillips likes to rotate at the position. Mathis could still be on the board due to previous injuries.

    Round 5 (149): CB Bernard Langley, Lamar – Former Georgia Bulldog who is listed as many evaluators’ “gem” at the corner position.

    Round 6 (189): T Storm Norton, Toledo – Norton will likely stay at tackle in the NFL.

    Round 6 (206): WR Trent Taylor, Louisiana Tech – I love Trent Taylor. I have no idea if he is drafted due to size limitations, but McVay could see Taylor in a Jamison Crowder type role. I’d bet on him to succeed.

    Round 7 (234): S Leon McQuay, USC – East West Shrine invite.

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    Rams must build depth at secondary, talent at wide receiver through draft

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/33529/rams-must-build-depth-at-secondary-talent-at-wide-receiver-through-draft

    LOS ANGELES — Les Snead, entering his sixth season as the Los Angeles Rams’ general manager, has said he is keeping an open mind in the weeks leading up to the 2017 draft, which is probably wise.

    This draft is deep at several positions, and his team has several positions of need.

    The Rams still have six players on their roster who were drafted between 2011 and ’13, tied for the third-highest total in the NFL according to numbers compiled by ESPN’s Ben Goessling. Sustainability like that is a good thing, but that number is a bit deceiving. Under Snead these last five years, the Rams have been unable to adequately build up the offensive line or the receiving corps. They’ve done pretty well on defense, but a lot of their key players from that defense are now less than a year away from free agency.

    So the Rams — without a first-round pick, but still with four picks within the first four rounds — can basically load up on any position through the draft and it would seem justified. Well, almost any position.

    Below is a ranking of their most urgent needs heading in, based more so on long-term outlook than immediate, impact talent.

    1. Cornerbacks/safeties: It’s time for the Rams to replenish some depth here, and this draft is deep enough in defensive backs to do it. Since the end of the 2015 season, the Rams have lost their two starting safeties, Rodney McLeod and T.J. McDonald, and their primary cornerback, Janoris Jenkins. The man who filled Jenkins’ spot, Trumaine Johnson, is on his second franchise tag and may leave via free agency next offseason. Their projected safeties for 2017, Maurice Alexander and Lamarcus Joyner, are also a year away from free agency. All of them can’t get extensions. The Rams haven’t taken a defensive back in any of the last two drafts.

    2. Wide receivers/tight ends: The only reason this isn’t the most pressing draft need is because the Rams at least have some controllable players here. Their two starting receivers, Tavon Austin and Robert Woods, are signed through 2021. Their primary tight end, Tyler Higbee, was drafted last year. So were Pharoh Cooper, Mike Thomas and Temarrick Hemingway. The Rams need more overall talent here than at any other position, but they also need to let their young guys develop.

    3. Offensive linemen: The Rams filled needs here by signing a couple of veteran free agents, left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan. But Whitworth is 35 and Sullivan signed a one-year deal. The Rams drafted seven offensive linemen from 2014 to ’15, but still need to identify both their left tackle and center of the future. Their former left tackle, 2014’s No. 2 overall pick, Greg Robinson, is moving to right tackle. The Rams are not expected to pick up the fifth-year option of his rookie contract.

    4. Linebackers: The change in defensive coordinators, from Gregg Williams to Wade Phillips, might have heightened the need at this position. The Rams will run a 3-4 base set now, and two of their starting linebackers, Alec Ogletree and Connor Barwin, will be free agents next offseason (though the Rams will surely look to lock Ogletree up long term). Another starting linebacker, Robert Quinn, is transitioning from defensive end. And another, Mark Barron, is a converted safety. The Rams also haven’t drafted a linebacker higher than the sixth round since 2013, so their depth is lacking.

    5. Defensive linemen: It’s crazy to think this is even a need, but it actually is. In some way. Aaron Donald, the game’s best interior pass-rusher, will be a free agent after the 2018 season, but the Rams will make sure he doesn’t go anywhere. Nose tackle Michael Brockers signed an extension through the 2019 season last September, but the Rams have yet to identify a third starting down lineman for 2017. And three key backups — Dominique Easley, Ethan Westbrooks and Tyrunn Walker — are free agents next offseason.

    6. Running backs: The Rams drafted Todd Gurley 10th overall in 2015 and still consider him one of the NFL’s premier running backs, regardless of his struggles last year. His backup, Lance Dunbar, who will be used heavily in the passing game, signed only a one-year contract. But the Rams also like a couple of their young players in Malcolm Brown and Aaron Green. They’re fine here for now.

    7. Quarterbacks: The Rams’ hope is that they won’t have to worry about this position for … well, a decade, really. They traded up 14 spots to draft Jared Goff first overall last year and have made an assortment of offseason moves — from the coaching staff to the offensive line — to help him recover from a catastrophic rookie season. His backup will be Sean Mannion, a third-round pick from 2015 who they want to take a long look at.

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    Part of me wants to close myself off from it but another part of me thinks it’s my duty to expose the lunacy in any way I can, which for me is posting about it. Here I know I’m pretty much preaching to the choir but I post stuff here to make sure my comrades have heard about the subject and because the great responses often challenge and help inform my own opinion. Once my opinion is crystallized I’ll talk about it someplace where there are a lot of opposing viewpoints in the mostly futile hope that I’ll change some minds. Most people are rigid in their stances and unreachable but there are some people out there on social media who are still trying to figure things out for themselves. My hope is to influence them.

    For some reason I had missed this post when I wrote mine. I often read threads starting with the last post and working forward and sometimes that means I miss a post here or there. If as it happens I had seen yours before writing mine, I would have written mine as an agreement with and extension of yours.

    The short version is, yes we are a resource for each other here, and it helps in continuing the crusade beyond here.

    And for that I am very appreciative. I learn as much here as I would or do anywhere else, and it has a special trustworthy feel to it.

    So here’s to all that. My regards to all. It makes a difference, it helps.

    And it’s not just politics either and it’s not just info. It’s personal stuff, it’s stuff about pool, it;s sciencey stuff, it;s topics that are unexpected. It all matters.

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    That’s quite a post. A lot to ponder. Well done.

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    from 2017 NFL Draft Outlook

    Bob McGinn

    http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/03/04/2016-nfl-draft-outlook/98698342/

    Here’s an early look at the top 50 players.

    MIKE WILLIAMS*, WR, Clemson: 6-4, 218. Huge possession receiver. “He’s a big-body, Dez Bryant mold,” said one scout. “He fits that profile well. If you sit there and try to make him a guy that wins on immediate separation, there may be an issue.” Started 30 games over portions of four seasons. “Reminds me of Mike Evans,” another scout said. “He’s really good in traffic. He is talented, big. Thing that worries me, I don’t see him separating from people.” Disappointing vertical jump of 32½ inches.

    COREY DAVIS, WR, Western Michigan: 6-3, 209. Similar in many ways to Williams. “He’s more fluid than Michael Irvin was,” said one scout. “Works hard. Loves football. Smart (31 on the Wonderlic intelligence test). Attacks the football. Concentrates in traffic. Got vertical tracking skills.” Four-year starter with 326 receptions in an emerging program. “He’s good, but he’s not like some of the top guys from the past few years,” another scout said. “He’s like the kid from the Eagles (Jordan Matthews). Little better hands. He’s a big, strong guy who can catch the ball really well.”

    O.J. HOWARD, TE, Alabama: 6-6, 251. Most complete tight end in the draft. “Nothing wrong with him at all,” said one scout. “Big-time basketball player in high school. Just a country boy. Big, fast, athletic. Receiving tight end or every down.” Played extensively for four seasons. “There’s no dominant in-line guys anymore but he’s probably as good as you’re going to get coming out,” a second scout said. “As a receiver he’s still a little untapped. Only two years did he play with a pro-style quarterback. He’s a phenomenal human being. His upside is through the roof.” Ran a speedy 4.51 in the 40-yard dash Saturday at the combine.

    RYAN RAMCZYK*, T, Wisconsin: 6-6, 310. One scout was shocked to see this former UW-Stevens Point LT play so well in his Badgers debut against Louisiana State at Lambeau Field. “LSU has edge guys and I was saying, ‘Who the heck is the left tackle?’ ” he said. “He stood out. He matches up with people stride-for-stride athletically.” Underwent hip surgery in January. Arms measured just 33¾ inches but hands were immense (10 7/8). “Balanced and strong and steady,” said a second scout. “He goes 15 to 25. He’ll be fine.” Aggressive run blocker. “You’re just betting a lot on this guy who in one year worked his way into being a productive blocker toward the end of the year,” said a third scout. “He just comes out of nowhere, he plays, now he’s hurt and he can’t work. Lot of red flags for me. I hope they take him early.”

    GARETT BOLLES*, T, Utah: 6-5, 297. Bounced around from high school to high school, played in junior college and spent just one season at Utah. “Checkered past,” said one scout. “He’s the most talented of all of them (tackles). Really athletic and tough. Plays hard. He’s got to get stronger.” Will be 25 as a rookie. “He’s more of a traditional mauler,” said another scout. “He’s athletically gifted and plays the game dirty tough. He is an LDS Mormon guy that’s kind of recaptured his life. He ran with gangs earlier in his life. He’s pretty good.” Arms were 34, hands just 9 3/8.

    CAM ROBINSON*, T, Alabama: 6-6, 322. Three-year starter at LT. “He is aggressive, he’s physical, he’s big,” one scout said. “There’s nothing he can’t do physically. I think someone like (Seattle’s) Tom Cable might say, ‘Hey, I can coach him up.’ They’ll buy into the upside aspect of it.” Whiffed frequently in pass protection and had too many penalties. Arms measured 35½. “Very, very erratic,” another scout said. “Off the field is a little bit of a question mark, too.”

    MITCHELL TRUBISKY*, QB, North Carolina: 6-2, 222. One-year starter. “You’ve got to try with him,” said one scout. “He’s the best of the bunch. You just wish he played more. He started one year, and the guy he played behind last year was terrible (Marquise Williams, who was in Green Bay’s camp). It’s kind of a concern. As far as the physical gifts, he’s got everything you look for. And he’s got the poise. He works hard.” Asked reporters to be known as “Mitchell” in the NFL. “Five-time Punt, Pass and Kick champion,” said a second scout. “Mr. Ohio in football out of high school. Has athletic feet and good feel for the game. As the season progressed he got better. Strong enough arm.” Hailed by a third scout as a “Marcus Mariota-type athlete.” He added: “He had his worst game against Stanford when he locked on twice and the safety picked off two passes. I wanted to compare him to (Brett) Favre but he’s a much better athlete than Favre and he’s faster than Favre. The amazing thing is he can run so well. Excellent competitor. He’s probably my best player (in the draft).” Clocked 4.67 in the 40.

    DALVIN COOK*, RB, Florida State: 5-10, 210. Rushed for 4,464 yards in three seasons while adding 79 receptions. “He reminds me of Marshall Faulk so much because he can catch the ball,” said one scout. “You can stick him in the slot. He goes downfield, catches the ball, runs hard. But he’s had three shoulder operations.” Ran an ordinary 40 (4.49). “Fast, explosive runner,” another scout said. “Boy, he would add something to our offense. He’s a back who can go for 60 (yards) every now and then. He’s everything.”

    LEONARD FOURNETTE*, RB, Louisiana State: 6-0, 240. Burst onto the scene as a pure freshman in 2014, rushed for a career-best 1,953 yards in ’15 and struggled playing on a high ankle sprain for most of ’16. “He’s the real deal,” said one scout. “He’s head and shoulders above everybody else.” Compared by scouts to Bo Jackson, Jonathan Stewart and Derrick Henry. “There’s similar things to Bo: size, twitch, explosion, burst, power,” said a second scout. “I could have written his report as a freshman. It didn’t take long to see he was a different bird. He’s not normal. Last year he had some of the most dynamic 2-yard gains you will ever see.” Ran 4.51 to go with a lousy 28½-inch vertical jump. “Big, strong, physical player but he really takes some hits,” a third scout said. “Like Derrick Henry.”

    MYLES GARRETT*, DE, Texas A&M: 6-4, 272. Three-year starter with 32½ sacks. “He’s a freak,” said one scout. “This guy is bigger and longer than Von Miller (6-2½, 246). He’s the best player in the draft.” Projects to DE for 4-3 teams and OLB for 3-4 teams. “He will not let teammates down,” said another scout. “He’s committed. He’s all in.” His arms measured an imposing 35¼. Several scouts questioned his effort and toughness. “This guy is supposed to be the certain first pick in the draft but he leaves a lot to be desired,” said one. “He’s a good athlete but there are stretches of him not being productive. He’s not really a tough guy. He’s not strong. He’s a flash player. Everything is solid off the field but I don’t think he plays hard. I’d take (Joey) Bosa.”

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    JONATHAN ALLEN, DT, Alabama: 6-3, 286. Overcame multiple shoulder surgeries and made his senior season his best. “He was damn near unblockable in a lot of games,” said one scout. “He’s a difference-maker. Not a special athlete but extremely strong and an outstanding technician. He can play hurt and be productive. He just looks like a pro. He’s the perfect base end that moves inside on third down.” Three-year starter with 28½ sacks. “He doesn’t really stand out in any particular area but he just plays so hard,” another scout said. “He’s quick, active, strong. I’d want him on my team.”

    REUBEN FOSTER, ILB, Alabama: 6-0, 229. Follows in the footsteps of Crimson Tide MLBs C.J. Mosley and Reggie Ragland. “He’s better than Ragland from last year but Mosley is a little bit more athletic,” said one scout. “This guy has a little more thump to him (than Mosley). He’s good, not tremendous. He’s had some issues.” Foster’s difficult past came into focus Saturday when it was reported by ESPN that he was sent home from the combine after a “heated argument” with a hospital worker in Indianapolis. “This guy is fast, explosive, the real deal,” another scout said. “He may slide because of background. He’s got all kinds of stuff.”

    MARSHON LATTIMORE*, CB, Ohio State: 6-0, 193. Third-year sophomore who in effect played just one season. “He’s really quick,” said one scout. “Loose hips and good feet, and he has a burst. Faster, quicker than Gareon Conley. I just didn’t see him challenge (receivers).” Four interceptions this season and then declared two years early. “Not a true leader but teammates love him,” another scout said. “Good ball skills.”

    JAMAL ADAMS*, S, Louisiana State: 6-0, 214. Two-year starter with exceptional arm length (33 3/8). “Top-10 pick,” said one scout. “Phenomenal player. He’s one of the best safeties I’ve done. That’s Earl Thomas but bigger.” Father, George, was a running back drafted in the first round by the Giants in 1985. “The whole world is excited about him but I liked him more last year (2015),” said another scout. “He’s a box guy. Breaks down well and is a good tackler. He’s a tight-hipped guy who has some problems changing direction. He struggles out in space. He’s impressive physically. He is tough.”

    JOHN ROSS*, WR, Washington: 5-11, 188. Deep threat. Broke unofficial combine 40 record with 4.22 clocking. “He’s completely different from the other two (Williams, Davis),” said one scout. “He’s small. If you want that speed element, more of a playmaker, a vertical threat, he’s the guy.” Fourth-year junior routinely praised for his character. “Very clean off the field,” a second scout said. “Dangerous after the catch. But he may get a surgery after the combine. Shoulder.” Also underwent microfracture procedure around the time of his season-ending knee injury in 2015. Compared by a third scout to DeSean Jackson.

    DAVID NJOKU*, TE, Miami: 6-4, 246. Renounced his final two years of eligibility. “It was a little bit surprising,” said one scout. “Very smart kid with a goofy personality but no issues off the field. In high school he was a 7-1 high jumper. Really good athlete and run after the catch.” Arms measured 35¼ at the combine. Started nine of 26 games. “I don’t know how you can take an unproductive backup guy from an average team in the first or second round,” a second scout said. “He’s going to blow the combine out and he’s a track guy. As far as a football player, he is a long ways away.” Ran 4.67 with a vertical jump of 37 1/2.

    DESHONE KIZER*, QB, Notre Dame: 6-4, 233. Third-year sophomore. “He should have gone back,” said one scout. “I think it’s all there. He’s gifted. But that team won five games this year. They have talent.” Two-year starter with a career passer rating of 98.6. “He cranks the ball through the tight windows,” said a second scout. “Big dude. He’ll stand tall in the pocket. It’s between his ears more than anything … and when he’s under pressure he doesn’t move in the pocket as well as you would like.” Compared by a third scout to Jay Cutler because “he doesn’t win.” Added a fourth scout: “The guy got benched. He had a lot of bad games. Doesn’t win. He’s a mess.” Ran 4.83.

    DESHAUN WATSON*, QB, Clemson: 6-2, 221. Started for 3½ years, leading Tigers to national title over Alabama in January. “He’s No. 1,” said one scout. “He’s played the best in the biggest stages. His best thing is leadership and he’s a winner. He has to develop into a pocket passer.” Compared by a second scout to Robert Griffin III. “He’s not as fast and isn’t as good a pure athlete but he’s like Griffin in that he beats you on the edges and not out of the pocket,” he said. “He’s not a pure passer. You have to admire the way he brings teams back. That’s something you can’t discount.” About the same size as Teddy Bridgewater. “Better athlete than Bridgewater,” said a third scout. “Arm strength? Probably similar. You don’t see him throwing the same pro kind of routes that Teddy did. He does make some NFL throws but he’s not going to be a guy who will wow you physically. Kind of lean-boned. There will be some concerns about withstanding because he hasn’t been hit a lot. Great athlete for the position.” Ran 4.66.

    CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY*, RB, Stanford: 5-11, 202. Two-year starter and ex-teammate of Green Bay’s Ty Montgomery. “This guy is a better runner than Montgomery, a better catcher, he’s more explosive, more agile and he’s probably faster,” said one scout. “Montgomery is more of a straight-line guy.” Far from a workhorse back. “He’s a jack-of-all-trades guy,” another scout said. “He can be your returner and give you 15 snaps a game (at RB). Once he tests and runs 4.38 (he ran 4.49) guys will fall in love with his personality and his genetics.”

    SOLOMON THOMAS*, DE, Stanford: 6-3, 273. Third-year sophomore. “Great kid,” one scout said. “Team captain. Top worker. Explosive athlete. Plays hard. Runs and chases. Strong hands.” More of a 3-technique than a 5-technique, although weight could be a problem at either position. “He reminds me of John Randle,” said another scout. “Excellent quickness and motor.”

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    ZACH CUNNINGHAM*, ILB, Vanderbilt: 6-3, 234. Started 27 of 36 games over three seasons. “He’s pretty (expletive) good but it’s not even close to (Reuben) Foster,” one scout said. “He’s a modern-day linebacker. He goes sideline to sideline. Led the SEC in tackles. Tough, very athletic.” Arms were 34 3/8. “He’s either a long-levered ‘sam’ backer on the line, kind of that Scott Fujita role, or he’s an inside guy,” a second scout said. “Solid, productive football player. I don’t see the dynamic play. I guess K.J. Wright was a lot like that coming out (Mississippi State, 2011). If it’s third and 8 and you’ve got to get off the field, (Cunningham) is not the guy to make that play consistently.”

    TAKKARIST MCKINLEY, ILB, UCLA: 6-2, 250. Former junior-college player who had a 10-sack season as a stand-up DE last season. “He’s an outside linebacker in a 3-4,” said one scout. “Loves football. He’ll work at his weaknesses. He’s got a great first step. He could sneak into the first (round).” Arms measured 34¾. “He does have an explosive takeoff but he’s a stiff, straight-line guy,” said another scout. “OK athlete. I thought he was soft. He’s not close to Anthony Barr. Barr had loose hips.”

    MARLON HUMPHREY*, CB, Alabama: 6-0, 197. Third-year junior, two-year starter. “He is the most complete corner I’ve seen come out of there,” said one scout. “I’ve done Dre Kirkpatrick, Dee Milliner, Kareem Jackson. He can be a big-time player. He’s as violent as I’ve ever seen a corner be. He comes up to smack people. It’s rare to see a corner of his caliber that seeks contact. I guess a little of that comes from his dad. … Looks the part. Track guy. He’s got to get some eye discipline. He likes to jam but his eyes will lose discipline.” Father, Bobby, was a running back drafted in the first round of the 1989 supplemental draft by the Broncos. “He’s super-talented,” said another scout. “He just doesn’t make plays on the ball. If he made plays on the ball he’d go higher.”

    TRE’DAVIOUS WHITE, CB, Louisiana State:5-11, 192. Four-year starter. “Hell of a player,” one scout said. “Quick, agile. All football.” Some scouts question his speed. “He is really quick,” another scout said. “Really good one-on-one cover. Good ball react and hands. Has red-zone problems against tall receivers.”

    JABRILL PEPPERS*, S-CB, Michigan: 5-11, 213. Possibly the most multi-dimensional player in the draft. “He’s one of my top five players,” said one scout. “You can line him up at receiver, running back, slot, free safety, strong safety, kick returner. The worst thing he is is a safety who can cover the slot. I’d start him (off) at corner.” Weighed 213, eight more than his program weight and befitting teams that view him as a hybrid LB. “He’s a utility safety for us,” said another scout. “People seem confused what to do with the guy. Just put him out there. Guy’s a winner.” Two-year starter with merely one interception. “I don’t think he’s a natural defensive guy in space,” another scout said. “He has issues in space. Everybody’s all over the board. I got him as an offensive player, a slot-running back.”

    CURTIS SAMUEL*, WR-RB, Ohio State: 5-11, 196. Third-year junior almost equally valuable as a receiver, runner and returner. “He’s Percy Harvin,” said one scout. “Urban (Meyer) ran him from the tailback spot more than he ran Percy Harvin but that’s because the game has changed. Every time he touches the ball it’s a potential touchdown.” Described as a faster Randall Cobb by a second scout. “Unique player,” he said. “Physically tough. Playmaking ability.” Averaged just 11.7 yards per catch in 2016. “He’s supposed to be this big-play speed guy but he doesn’t make any big plays,” a third scout said. “He’ll run fast but he’s just more of an athlete than a player right now.” Ran extremely fast (4.31), vertical jump of 37, 18 reps on the bench press.

    EVAN ENGRAM, TE, Mississippi: 6-3, 234. Four-year starter with 162 receptions. “He’s a receiving tight end, not an in-line blocker,” one scout said. “He can play slot. Smooth athlete, good speed. This is where the modern-day offense is going.” Compared by one scout to former Saints WR Marques Colston. “Not as fast or quick-footed as Marques but more of a big slot receiver,” he said. “He could probably be 245 but he’ll never be a point-of-attack guy. He’ll have to be a back-side flex guy if you want to get any kind of production out of him.” Led tight ends in the 40-yard dash Saturday with a blazing 4.42.

    FORREST LAMP, G-C, Western Kentucky: 6-4, 309. Started most of his four-year career at LT but projects inside. “He’d be the best inside guy,” said one scout. “He’s technique, good athlete, balance, competitive. He’s a center-guard.” Short arms (32¼), large hands (10 5/8). Ran a fast 40 (5.00). “Western Kentucky is a good program,” said another scout. “He is really good on the move and can get to the second level and downfield. Not real strong or powerful but really is a nice athlete.”

    PATRICK MAHOMES*, QB, Texas Tech: 6-2, 225. Started for 2½ seasons. “You (remember) how John Elway could scramble around and at the last second just square up and throw the ball the length of the field?” said one veteran scout. “This guy can do the same thing. He didn’t play in a bowl game this year but, remember, John Elway never played in a bowl game. (Texas Tech) had the worst defense in the nation. He had no backs and receivers this year. Excellent athlete and arm strength. He’s got a gunslinger mentality.” Played in a simplistic spread offense with limited reads. “He plays in that junk offense and has a lot to learn,” another scout said. “A lot. He’s got quick feet and a (big arm). 4.0 student. Good kid.” Arm strength might give him the edge over recent Texas Tech passers. “He could (develop) but I don’t see it,” a third scout said. “He has no vision, no mechanics. He’s erratic as hell. Makes a lot of mistakes.” Ran 4.80.

    ALVIN KAMARA*, RB, Tennessee: 5-10, 214. Redshirted at Alabama and spent time in junior college before starting eight of 24 games for Volunteers. “He can do it all,” said one scout. “He’s quick. Got good balance and vision. Catches the ball extremely well out of the backfield. Just hasn’t been a lead dog.” Ran 4.56 with a vertical jump of 39½. “When Jalen (Hurd) went down (in 2016) he had a chance to step up and be that guy and you just never saw it,” another scout said. “He’s not really a between-the-tackles, wear-you-down, take-the-bull-by-the-horns guy. He needs to get out in space. He can be a good player in a niche role.”

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    DEREK BARNETT*, DE, Tennessee: 6-3, 259. Led the nation in sacks with 13. His career total of 33 broke Reggie White’s school mark by one. “I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes to the combine and bombs out athletically,” said one scout. “If he works out well and runs 4.7, he’s first round. If he runs 5-flat, 4.9, no. Little overhyped. He’s not going to be a foot athlete or a special guy.” Opted out of drills Saturday because of illness. Weight was an unexpectedly low 259. “He can do stand-up (linebacker) but I wouldn’t want him dropping,” said one scout. “You’ll want him putting his hand in the dirt and being a base DE. He plays hard when it’s time to rush the passer.”

    TACO CHARLTON, DE, Michigan: 6-6, 277. Blossomed as a senior starter after being a rotational player for three years. “Loved by his teammates and loves the game of football,” one scout said. “Things come easy to him. You could almost compare him to Chandler Jones.” Arms were 34. “He won’t be dominant but he’ll be a good, solid player,” one scout said. “Not dynamic or anything. He’ll start as a rookie and be good.”

    CHARLES HARRIS*, DE, Missouri: 6-3, 253. On the small side for 4-3 teams but might be athletic enough to stand up in a 3-4. “I think he’s one of the better defensive players in the draft,” said one scout. “He’s athletic, physical, tough and can rush the passer like those other Missouri guys.” Two-year starter came into his own in 2016. “This is the kind of guy that gets you fired,” another scout said. “Physically soft. Does not play strong. Once they get their hands on him it’s over. He’s a finesse rusher. I could see where you could be excited about the guy but I’d be afraid to draft him (high).” Arms were 32 5/8.

    CALEB BRANTLEY*, DT, Florida: 6-3, 307. Two-year starter with just 2½ sacks. “He probably fancies himself as a 3-technique,” one scout said. “He’s got to be more consistent anchoring down and playing the run. Even as a 3-technique, you’re going to have to take on a double every now and then. Otherwise, they just keep running the ball at you all damn game. He wants to rush the passer.” Arms measured just 32. “Fake tough guy,” said another scout. “He understands how to edge the blocker and has balance and control. Doesn’t always finish the play. I like the athlete.”

    DALVIN TOMLINSON, DT, Alabama: 6-3, 310. Rotational backup for two seasons before replacing NFL draftees A’shawn Robinson and Jarran Reed as a senior. “Tough, physical,” said one scout. “Not great. Just a good, solid pro. Could develop into a quality nose tackle.” Outstanding prep wrestler. “Strong at the point of attack,” said another scout. “He’s got strong hips, good hands, hard to move on run blocks. Not a dominant pass rusher but can get push and is athletic enough to edge the blocker. One-technique or 3-technique.”

    MALIK MCDOWELL*, DT, Michigan State: 6-6, 295. Physical specimen with 34¾ arms and 10½ hands. “It won’t be because of lack of talent,” said one scout. “Good feet. Flashes twitch. Going to need lots of work, though.” Departed after disappointing junior season in which he had 1½ sacks in nine games. Played a lot inside but was more productive outside. “He does have a takeoff when they move him on the edge and he can up field,” another scout said. “Talented but inconsistent. I question his toughness, shed, instincts. I’m scared because he doesn’t play hard. High opinion of himself. They question if he loves football.”

    RAEKWON MCMILLAN*, ILB, Ohio State: 6-2, 240. Third-year junior, two-year starter in the middle. “Excellent leader,” said one scout. “Everybody listens to this guy. He’s a zone coverage guy. He’ll need some work in man-to-man. Has feel, has vision, easy mover. He’s a perfect football guy.” Surpassed 100 tackles in each of the past two seasons. “I’m not a fan,” said another scout. “He’s tough and plays the game the right way, but he’s a little bit small and plays small. He’s not as athletic as a guy that size needs to be.”

    JARRAD DAVIS, ILB, Florida: 6-1, 238. Missed four games with an ankle injury in an oft-injured career. “I don’t see how he gets out of the first (round),” said one scout. “Too fast, too athletic, too good of a player over his career there.” Arms were 33 1/2. Wonderlic of 21. “He can run and he’s rangy,” another scout said. “He’s got great leadership intangibles. Now he’s often-injured, too. He’s got to go first round.”

    HAASON REDDICK, ILB, Temple: 6-1, 237. Enrolled as a cornerback but spent almost entire career as a boundary DE. Looked good at the Senior Bowl in move to the middle. “The Senior Bowl helped him a lot because he was off the ball a lot more,” one scout said. “You could see he could handle that. He’s skyrocketed. Coming into the year he was just a reject. He’s had a hell of a year. He is productive, tough, fast.” Posted 10½ of his 18 sacks as a senior. “He plays relentless and has speed,” said one scout. “Very tough. He’s a leader. Has a good feel for the game.”

    TIM WILLIAMS, OLB, Alabama: 6-3, 244. Four-year player who didn’t see much action until 2015 and ended up starting just two games. “Not a special athlete, just a hell of a football player,” said one scout. “Knows how to play.” Designated pass rusher whose background will require scrutiny. “He’ll get pushed down to the second round because of his character,” another scout said. “He’s a dynamite pass rusher. He gets off the edge.”

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    RYAN ANDERSON, OLB, Alabama: 6-2, 253. Fifth-year senior finally worked his way into the lineup as a senior. “Very steady,” one scout said. “He doesn’t look pretty but he makes plays. Outside linebacker in a 3-4. He is (short), but he does everything good and makes plays.” Arms were just 31 1/2. “He’s thick built,” another scout said. “He’s more like the big guys they’ve had play that edge. Tough guys.”

    T.J. WATT*, OLB, Wisconsin: 6-4, 252. Overcame string of injuries to forge 13-sack season in 2016, his first as a starter, and then declared a year early. “This guy just plays his tail off,” said one scout. “Boy, does he have technique. He’s Clay Matthews. Probably more explosive. Uses his hands well. He finishes things better than his brother (J.J.) did. I think he’s special.” Weighed in at 252, nine pounds more than his program weight, and had 33 1/8 arms and 11-inch hands, which might be the longest at the combine. “I don’t see him in the first round,” another scout said. “He’s a solid backup-rotational type player. I don’t think he’s a definite starter on any team. He may eventually because of the intangibles, effort, the way he plays the game. But not just on pure talent.”

    QUINCY WILSON*, CB, Florida: 6-1, 211. Two-year starter with six picks. “He’s got really nice length,” said one scout. “He’s got body control and passion for the game. He will need some work on his tackling. He wants to be physical with receivers. Press corner.” Expected to run much faster than his teammate, CB Teez Tabor. “He’s much more aggressive than Tabor but I think he’ll have to be a safety,” said another scout. “He’s a little bit bulky (for cornerback). Safety is where he’ll end up.”

    SIDNEY JONES*, CB, Washington: 6-0, 186. Three-year starter with nine picks. “Very good player,” said one scout. “Good arm length (31½). Adequate tackler.” On the thin side and appears to lack growth potential. “Good worker, willing to do extra,” another scout said. “Really smart. Doesn’t get rattled. I question his long speed. Never missed a game. Good hands and eyes at the line of scrimmage.”

    ADOREE JACKSON*, CB, Southern California: 5-10, 186. Three-year starter and terrific return specialist. “Only negative is his height,” one scout said. “He’s always in the right spot at the right time. He knows how to keep position and break on the ball. Reminds me of Darrell Green, who was just 5-8. He’s so instinctive. Excellent one-on-one cover.” Registered six interceptions. “He’s a really good player but he’s small,” said another scout. “He’s a first-round player for me but he’s got to be penalized because he’s a midget. Second round.”

    GAREON CONLEY*, CB, Ohio State: 6-0, 195. Played extensively as a true freshman and started two years. “Very confident,” one scout said. “Everybody loves the kid. Really a good teammate. Leader of the group. Smooth. Makes it look easy. Good in press man. Short-area burst. Likes to jump routes. He can track the ball deep.” Average strength affects him as a tackler. Arms were 33. “Got that long body,” another scout said. “More of a press guy. He might get in the first (round).”

    MARCUS WILLIAMS*, S, Utah: 6-1, 202. Started 28 of 37 games, intercepting eight passes. “He’s like Eric Weddle in terms of his ability to work,” said one scout. “True professional. Great tester. Rare athlete. Very good ball skills. May be a corner.” Biggest negative is tackling. “He’s just not very aggressive playing the run,” said another scout. “Just doesn’t show up enough on tape.”

    MALIK HOOKER*, S, Ohio State: 6-1, 206. Used his massive hands (10¾) to intercept seven passes in 2016, his only season as a starter. “He’s got great range,” one scout said. “Can he run after he catches the ball. He certainly has the feet and hips and change of direction to play corner. The guy is a first-rounder, but it bothers me that he doesn’t tackle.” That personnel man certainly wasn’t the only one to think that. “I’m not as sold on Hooker as everyone else,” said another. “I don’t think he’s going to run very well and he’s very inconsistent against the run. He is opportunistic.”

    OBI MELIFONWU, S, Connecticut: 6-4, 224. Four-year player with 48 games and 48 starts. “He reminded me of Deone Bucannon because he can play in the box and in space,” said one scout. “Physical. Square tackler. I was shocked. He’s big and he can run. I think he’s too big for corner. He can replace a ‘backer in the box because he can cover.” Arms were 32½. Eight career interceptions. “He looks the part,” said another scout. “He’s more of a downhill type but he brings a presence.”

    BUDDA BAKER*, S, Washington: 5-10, 195. Started all 40 games of his three-year career. “The coaches will tell you that’s the best player on their team,” said one scout. “They love that guy. He’s more like Earl Thomas. Small guy that can run.” Finished with five picks and three forced fumbles. “He’s kind of like a Bob Sanders,” a second scout said. “Big-time hitter. Around the ball. Covers the slot. Only negative I had was his height.”

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    Syria chemical attack: Sarin gas likely weapon used in Idlib as experts say Russian claims ‘don’t add up’
    Analysts say rebels lack money or expertise to stock deadly nerve agent

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-chemical-attack-idlib-sarin-gas-toxic-khan-sheikhoun-russia-assad-claims-experts-evidence-a7668996.html

    Experts have dismissed Russia’s claim that a rebel chemical weapons facility caused the death of more than 70 people in Syria as evidence indicating the government’s use of a banned nerve agent mounts.

    Britain, the US and France are among the nations accusing Bashar al-Assad’s regime of gassing civilians in the opposition-held town of Khan Sheikhoun, but Damascus claims it destroyed its toxic stockpiles following an international agreement struck in 2013.

    The Russian defence ministry put out a competing version of events claiming that legitimate Syrian air strikes against “terrorists” had struck a warehouse used to produce and store shells containing toxic gas, which were allegedly being sent to Iraq.

    “From 11.30am to 12.30pm local time, [9.30am to 10.30am BST] Syrian aircraft conducted an air strike in the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhoun on a large warehouse of ammunition of terrorists and the mass of military equipment,” said Major General Igor Konashenkov, according to a translation by Russian state media.

    But witnesses and survivors said the bombs struck hours earlier, with images showing at least one hit a road rather than a building.

    Hasan Haj Ali, commander of the Free Idlib Army rebel group, called the Russian statement blaming the rebels a “lie” and said rebels did not have the capability to produce nerve gas.

    “Everyone saw the plane while it was bombing with gas,” he said.

    “Likewise, all the civilians in the area know that there are no military positions there, or places for the manufacture of weapons.”

    While Isis is known to have used mustard gas, the area around Khan Sheikhoun is controlled by a range of opposition factions including Islamists and groups linked to al-Qaeda.

    Russia accused fighters of deploying chlorine gas in Aleppo but no evidence to support the allegations has been put forward by international agencies, who believe that sarin was deployed in Tuesday’s attack.

    Beyza Unal, a research fellow with the International Security Department at Chatham House, said the banned nerve agent is expensive and difficult to purify and store.

    “Something that needs a certain level of expertise and also money,” she told The Independent, saying any facility would need the ability to take oxygen out of the area where sarin is stored.

    “I don’t think rebel groups would have the ability governments would have to purify nerve agents to a level that would make them stable,” Dr Unal added.

    “I don’t buy the Russian claims…the story doesn’t add up.”

    She added that images of bomb craters in Khan Sheikhoun indicated small payloads, rather than explosives of the type typically used to destroy an entire building.

    Sarin can be fatal when either inhaled or absorbed through the skin, contaminating water and clothing to affect anyone coming into contact with symptoms including blurred vision, choking, nausea, weakness, convulsions, paralysis and respiratory failure.

    Several volunteers who rushed to help victims of the initial bombing have themselves been taken ill, including Syrian Civil Defence members.

    Hamid Kutini, a volunteer with the White Helmets, told The Independent he and several of his friends are unwell.

    “I reached the area early after the attack and am still suffering now with weakness in my vision, a continuous headache, and I am not seeing colours well,” he said.

    Mr Kutini said families were asleep when the bombs struck at around 6.30am local time (4.30am BST), with people calling the White Helmets reporting “strange symptoms” including drowsiness.

    “We knew that some kind of poison gas was used,” he recalled. “The team found people fainting, and people with froth coming from the mouth, and shivers in their bodies…many died while they were asleep.”

    Graphic footage showed rescuers dragging bodies and survivors out of buildings, removing their clothes and hosing them down with water in attempts to remove the toxin.

    Doctors said victims started to choke, vomit and convulse with foam coming out of their mouths and pin-point pupils, showing symptoms of possible sarin gas exposure.

    Amnesty International said many of at least 20 children killed appeared to have died in their beds, with the lack of visible wounds on their corpses pointing to a chemical attack.

    A nurse working at the al-Rahma hospital, which was later bombed, told the charity he heard the bombs strike but with a dull “thump” that was unlike a normal “explosion sound”. Minutes later, the casualties started pouring in.

    The youngest victims were the first to succumb to respiratory failure and paralysis, a doctor said, adding: “Children are the first ones to die, they cannot fight this. We only had one child who, thank God, survived.”

    The World Health Organisation (WHO) said the symptoms were consistent with “exposure to organophosphorus chemicals, a category of chemicals that includes nerve agents” that are banned as weapons of mass destruction.

    Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) seconded the analysis, saying medical teams that treated affected patients in Bab al-Hawa found symptoms “consistent with exposure to a neurotoxic agent such as sarin gas”.

    Doctors also detected the smell of bleach on some victims, “suggesting they had been exposed to chlorine” as one of at least two different chemical agents.

    Hassan Elbahtimy, from the Centre for Science and Security Studies at King’s College London, said all evidence available so far pointed to the use of sarin in Khan Shaikhoun.

    “In this conflict, it is the regime that ultimately is more capable to mount chemical attacks,” he told The Independent, pointing to the previous sarin attack on Ghouta in 2013.

    “They were supposed to have declared all their chemical weapons, including sarin stocks, which got destroyed under international supervision.

    “If this turns out to be sarin and the regime is responsible, it means either they did not get rid of all their stocks or managed to reconstitute some of their production and handling capabilities.”

    Dr Elbahtimy said Khan Sheikhoun was a “significant” target for Assad’s forces as it borders a motorway connecting government-held cities with rebel strongholds in the north.

    The area saw intense fighting in 2016, with previous allegations of chlorine attacks levelled at the government.

    Ammar Abdullah, a citizen journalist, told The Independent he had seen chlorine gas before but it was “nothing like this”, adding that friends from Damascus compared the symptoms to those seen in the Ghouta attack.

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    Syria chemical weapons attack toll rises to 70 as Russian narrative is dismissed
    Weapons expert says Russian claim that airstrike hit ‘terrorist warehouse’ in Idlib province is fanciful

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/syria-chemical-attack-idlib-province

    At least 70 people have been killed in northern Syria after being exposed to a toxic gas that survivors said was dropped from warplanes, an attack that sparked comparisons to the most infamous act of the country’s six-year war.

    At least another 100 people were being treated in hospitals in Idlib province where the strike took place at dawn on Tuesday. Several dozen others were transferred to Turkey, some in critical condition.

    Condemnation mounted throughout Tuesday as the US, Britain and EU blamed the Syrian government for the carnage, hours before the start of a donor conference on Syria in Brussels.

    Donald Trump denounced the carnage as a “heinous” act that “cannot be ignored by the civilised world”. But he also laid some of the responsibility on Barack Obama, saying in a statement that the attack was “a consequence of the past administration’s weakness and irresolution”.

    Theresa May said she was appalled by reports of the attack and called for an investigation by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. “I’m very clear that there can be no future for Assad in a stable Syria which is representative of all the Syrian people and I call on all the third parties involved to ensure that we have a transition away from Assad. We cannot allow this suffering to continue,” she said.

    UK-based monitoring group the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights put the latest death toll in Khan Sheikhoun at 72 by Wednesday morning, including 20 children.

    The Syrian military said it “categorically denied” responsibility. Russia, which has heavily backed the Syrian regime, said its planes were not operating near Idlib. Early on Wednesday, the Russian defence ministry claimed a Syrian airstrike had hit a “terrorist warehouse” containing an arsenal of “toxic substances” destined for fighters in Iraq. The ministry did not state if the attack was deliberate.

    Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Hamish de Bretton Gordon, director of Doctors Under Fire and former commanding officer of the UK Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment, said this claim was “completely untrue”.

    “No I think this [claim] is pretty fanciful, no doubt the Russians trying to protect their allies,” he said. “Axiomatically, if you blow up sarin, you destroy it.”

    “It’s very clear it’s a sarin attack,” he added. “The view that it’s an al-Qaida or rebel stockpile of sarin that’s been blown up in an explosion, I think is completely unsustainable and completely untrue.”

    Hours after the attack, a hospital treating the injured was also hit. Images taken inside the clinic appeared to depict the blast as it happened. Photographs and videos taken at the scene and in evacuation areas nearby showed rows of small, lifeless children, some with foam visible near their mouths.

    Save the Children said at least 11 children were among the casualties.

    Jerry Smith, the operations chief of the UN-led team that supervised the removal of Syria’s sarin stockpiles following the gas attack on the rebel-held Ghouta area of Damascus four years ago, said: “This absolutely reeks of 2013 all over again.” In that attack, more than 1,300 people were killed. The UN said the perpetrators probably had access to the stockpile of sarin held by the Syrian military at the time, as well as the expertise to use it.

    In the aftermath of the Ghouta massacre, a UN team supervised the surrender of Syria’s sarin supplies, the removal of which was supposed to have been completed early in 2014. However, suspicions have remained that a portion of the stockpile was not declared to inspectors.

    Tuesday’s attack struck Khan Sheikhun, where there are thousands of refugees from the nearby province of Hama who have fled recent fighting. The town is also on a crossroads between Hama and Idlib and is considered vital to any regime offensive towards the northern city of Idlib.

    “In this most recent attack, dozens of children suffocated to death while they slept,” said Ahmad Tarakji, the head of the Syrian American Medical Society (Sams), which supports hospitals in opposition-controlled areas in Syria. “This should strike at the very core of our humanity. How much longer will the world fail to respond to these heinous crimes?”

    Sams said its doctors had determined that the symptoms of the patients were consistent with exposure to organic phosphorus compounds such as the nerve agent sarin, which is banned by the chemical weapons convention.

    Smith said: “If you look at the footage itself, the victims don’t have any physical trauma injuries. There is foaming and pinpointed pupils, in particular. This appears to be some kind of organo-phosphate poison. In theory, a nerve agent. What is striking is that it would appear to be more than chlorine. The toxicity of chlorine does not lend itself to the sort of injuries and numbers that we have seen.”

    Tuesday’s strike came days after the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, said the Trump administration was no longer prioritising the removal of Assad, and that the Syrian people would ultimately decide his fate.

    The US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, made similar comments on Monday, affirming a shift in US policy that began under the Obama administration.

    Critics of the stance have said that the absence of a credible threat has given the regime licence to commit war crimes with impunity as its backers, Iran and Russia, steadily claw back years of battlefield losses.

    The UN security council said it would hold an emergency meeting on Wednesday to discuss the attack, after a request from Britain and France.

    “Everyone is horrified and the children are in total shock,” said Mohammad Hassoun, a spokesman for civil defence rescue workers in the nearby town of Sarmin, which received 14 of the wounded from Tuesday’s attack. Hassoun said the victims were bleeding from the nose and mouth, had constricted irises and suffered from convulsions.

    “The total number of wounded is incredible. So far it’s over 200,” said Mohammad, a doctor at another hospital in Idlib. “We received over 20 victims and most of them are children, and two of them in the ICU are extremely critical. There are a lot of injured.” Mohammad said the victims he had seen were drifting in and out of consciousness. Many were on respirators.

    Few hospitals in Idlib have the capacity to deal with the symptoms of chemical attacks due to the repeated bombing of medical facilities by forces loyal to the government and lack sufficient oxygen tanks to treat victims.

    Idlib is one of the last bastions of rebel control in Syria, and has been subjected to a relentless campaign of aerial bombardment despite a supposed ceasefire brokered this year by Russia and Turkey that was aimed at paving the way for political negotiations.

    The raid in Khan Sheikhun indicates Assad’s growing confidence. He has wrested control of territory from the rebels, including the entire city of Aleppo, in recent months. His regime has benefited from the unflinching support of Moscow and Shia militias backed by Iran, as well as waning support for the opposition by its allies in the region and the new US administration.

    The attack will refocus attention on the failure of the international community to prevent the worst abuses in Syria’s war, and casts doubt on a signature achievement of Obama’s government, which negotiated the presumed destruction of Assad’s chemical arsenal in 2013.

    That deal followed the sarin gas attack on Ghouta, which nearly prompted a US intervention in the conflict. Since then, chemical attacks have continued on a smaller scale, mostly deploying chlorine gas, which was not covered by the deal because it has industrial uses.

    However, a similar devastating attack to the Idlib strike took place in east Hama last December, with at least 93 people dying and several hundred more being wounded after exposure to what local authorities described as a nerve agent. Western intelligence agencies believe sarin was used in that attack, but were unable to retrieve biological samples that could prove their fears.

    Smith said the recovery of samples would be pivotal to the investigation of the Idlib strike. “It is one of the most important things now to get biological samples, interviews and environmental samples, ideally from witnesses who can also give statements,” he said.

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    And Juan Cole may be an ‘expert’ but he doesnt have any proof Asaad did this. Zero proof. Someone used some kind of gas. But we dont know who.

    You do know, btw, that there was no PROOF Hussein did not have chemical and bio weapons. Just a string of logic making it highly unlikely in the extreme that he did. It is true that the UN inspectors could not know everything, it is true that he had them before, so until the USA occupied the country and could not put hands on them, it was impossible to make the turn into that kind of “proof.” Same with his presumed connections to Al Qaeda. No one could PROVE he had no connections. BUT. It just didn’t make any sense that he would, the evidence presented for it was highly questionable, and the logic just plain did not allow that conclusion—the logic of the evidence against it was too strong.

    I’m sorry this issue (of all issues) seems to bother you when we discuss it. (I sense you are angry.) But I see it this way—there is no choice (as I see it) in deciding for delivered sarin gas of all possible weapons to that place, and it is the guy who has used the same weapon before. This again is why the Russians don’t deny there were Syrian aircraft present at the time of the attack (they know that this can be and is monitored) and why they don’t deny there was gas used. They also know we know that Assad regularly uses chlorine gases in attacks, along with having used sarin before—to the point of publicly vowing not to do it again.

    And I am not even sure you can set off sarin by bombing stockpiles of it, the way the Russians claim. Let alone that al qaeda would have it (how?) and yet has never used it.

    The point about Cole is he draws from middle-eastern sources that include sources with people on the ground who could talk to witnesses and so on. (Witnesses count a lot in this.) That is as close as we can get to reading sources that are not simply repeating the views of the pentagon, the Russians, the Turks, and/or the Iranians.

    I have go with what my guts and instincts and sense of the information all tell me. I can’t set that stuff aside. I also don’t see the point in claiming Assad DIDN’T do it. It’s not like this one event is a tipping point of some kind, which changes the outcome. It’s just one sordid detail in a mixed up situation. I actually don’t understand all the energy involved (by commentators I mean) in trying to deny he did this—I am not sure what is gained by doing that.

    And there is a left commentary strand on this I just find completely baffling. Talking again about analysts and talking heads. There’s a strand on this that seems to me be wrong in key ways about a mixed up situation. It is the entire RT strand, which strikes me as being as bad in its own way as rightie conspiracy theorists. (That’s an honest gut reaction.) Just talking about a strand now. I didn’t get that feeling back in the days when we had to dig through so much to come up with valid info on sanctions and the run-up to the iraq war. I got the sense then of unity of purpose.

    You have to accept, without I hope being angry about it, that on this very minor issue, I can’t see my way to accepting the dissident commentator line on this…talking about the commentator line that questions whether it happened or who did it. That stuff gives me the same chill I got when I heard righties denying atrocities in Chile or El Salvador. Honest, it’s the same feeling. Whether you can agree with my view of this situation, please respect that feeling. I hate that feeling and as someone who tries to stay aware of events, I have had it far too often.

    What I said you defended about Assad is that he was too smart to do this. I disagree. I think he’s the power driven self-centered neo-con he appears to be and would do this in a hearbeat, particularly since basically he has Russian allies in country (including Russian planes that bomb hospitals) that make it impossible for external forces to topple him. No I don’t think he’s too smart to do it. I think he’s exactly the kind of guy who would do this. In fact I think he’s smart enough to know that basically, there are no consequences for it.

    And to turn the tables, who is defending the CIA?

    Fair enough?

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    A lot here. Too much to post. Basically just a lot of details about Assad’s Syria and the complex civil war there.

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/01/syria-war-crisis-refugees-assad-dictatorship-arab-spring-intervention-russia/

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    The elites oppress the bewildered herds, and the elite-owned-media propagandizes and distracts. That dynamic just plays out over and over and over. Its monotonous once you have the big picture figured out.

    Interesting take.

    Say more. Explain.

    Kidding aside, burn out is real. When I experience it…and I have more than once…I thud into a wall and just can’t continue, whatever it is. It’s never even a decision.

    I am thinking that that’s not necessarily for a community that likes to share things, not just politics. Like here. We have science and other things too. Just the feel of learning from people and contributing to the pool of curiosity and interest is to me anyway worthwhile in its own right.

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    from What It Means: Rams Hire Wade Phillips to be Defensive Coordinator

    By John Turney

    http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2017/01/what-it-means-rams-hire-wade-phillips.html

    This is what will be used in Los Angeles. The end here is a 3-technique and has one gap to control. The nose is in a shade alignment and the weak end or open end in a 5-technique, all one-gap assignments since this is a 3-4 one-gap system when aligned this way. It is no different that a 4-3 undershifted defense.


    What Phillips can and will likely do is switch Aaron Donald from side to side and always play the 3-technque. Michael Brockers can stay as a shade technique, which he has been playing since 2014. Robert Quinn does not have to stand up, he can play with his hand in the dirt and play the Will position. Alec Ogletree will remain the Mike and Mark Barron can play the Mo backer, which Phillips says is more of the “coverage linebacker”.

    In an era where almost all offensive and defensive schemes are hybrids, borrowing from other schemes and melded together the 3-4 one gap won’t hurt what the Rams vaunted defensive line can do. There may be questions here and there as to whether Quinn, when called upon, can cover, which he will have to do a little bit to mix up games and stunts and blitzes that are needed in trying to confuse NFL offenses.

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    I’m sorry but that is just laughable imho. Asaad doesnt seem nearly that stupid to me.

    UN personnel already tested victims. Gas was used. Which is why the Russians don’t deny it.

    Assad has done it before and publicly made an agreement to cease manufacturing it. Apparently he went back on it. He actually uses chlorine gas regularly.

    And I am doing my best to post international, non-USA gov’t sources on this. No one here (and probably not that many people in the world in general) knows more about Assad than Juan Cole, who is a longstanding standing middle east scholar who has long been on the shit lists of various american administrations for undermining their public takes on things. No one knows Assad better, and he is using middle eastern sources to point to the attack being the Syrians.

    Assad is Hussein. There is nothing about him worth defending or admiring.

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    I didn’t realize the formation of the moon was controversial. I thought the Theia collision hypothesis was pretty much consensus.

    My world doesn’t make sense anymore.

    Turns out protons are not elemental particles. They’re made of something called “quirks.” There’s different kinds of quirks too–there’s uppity quirks, and lucky charms quirks, and downer quirks.

    I was really annoyed when I learned that.

    But I feel an obligation to stay well-informed on these things and to understand them.

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