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    selections from NFL chat with Jim Thomas

    http://sports.live.stltoday.com/Event/NFL_chat_with_Jim_Thomas_61?Page=2

    What do you think of the coaching staff assembled by McVay? Will they be better teachers than the Fish group?
    by Andy May 2 at 4:58 PM

    I’m not all that familiar with a lot of the assistants. Keeping Fassel as special teams coordinator was big. Obviously hiring Phillips was huge. I’ve always like Greg Olson. The job he did in StL under Linehan was underappreciated. And he’s had jobs since then in a lot of tough places. I know Demoff thinks pretty highly of Kromer, I think he was on the head-coach interview list in the Fisher hiring cycle.

    Seems like the Rams are getting, as Gordo said, “middling” grades on their draft performance. Based on WHAT? How are they any better coming out of that draft?
    by Kroenkitis Victim May 2 at 3:30 PM
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    I know the St. Louis writer isn’t supposed to say anything good about the Rams, but I’m kind of intrigued by the Rams’ draft and I’m kind of intrigued by the McVay hiring. I know some people in the business who I trust who speak very highly of McVay.

    how do you rate the Rams draft picks. I would say MEH-!!!! Several overreaches and a slow small school slot receiver.
    by Jack May 2 at 3:34 PM

    I give them B minus. I would’ve taken a wide receiver (Zay Jones) instead of trading down and taking the South Alabama tight end. I don’t know about taking two players from Div. I-AA Eastern Washington,. But almost all of the players they took had good to great production in college. I’ve always been a big believer in that. (As was Jimmy Johnson.) Too often in the past, I think the Rams have overly-relied on projections and measurables.

    How would you grade the Rams draft? Do you feel they added enough to help Goff?
    by blocking fullback May 2 at 3:37 PM

    This was definitely a McVay draft. Not Snead’s. McVay’s fingerprints are all over it according to my sources. And I still have some believe it or not who are familiar with that team out West. As the Rams have done in the past, McVay took the private jet (Air Kroenke?) to privately work out many of the picks. McVay wasn’t just throwing darts.

    Kiper was very adamant that the Rams overreached and failed to get “value” in the draft (value is a big word these days, esp. for Kiper). Do you think the Rams got value? Steven Smith said Kupp was the best receiver in the draft!!
    by DoctorB May 2 at 3:55 PM

    There’s value going in, and value once the games start. As mentioned earlier, what’s the big deal about taking a guy five or 10 picks before where he was “supposed” to go if it turns out that he can play?

    Jim, my concern with the Rams’ draft was that they got some guys at positions of need, but maybe none of them will be very good in the NFL. What do you think? Thanks!
    by Tom May 2 at 3:59 PM

    This draft was all McVay. At least with the offensive players. Again, these are all McVay’s hand-picked guys on offense. We’ll soon find out how he is not only as a talent evaluator but also integrating them into his offense

    Lots of commentators were mystified by the Rams not taking any offensive linemen. What do you think about that? Thanks!
    by Tom May 2 at 4:04 PM

    Well, you added a good one in Whitworth at LT. Granted he’s 35, but if you can get a good year or two out of him, you’re OK for now. You have Sullivan in free agency to at lest compete for the center job. It was a pretty weak year in the draft for offensive linemen. Especially at the tackle position. Why reach for something that isn’t necessarily there? So at face value I’m not bent out of shape by the fact that the Rams didn’t take an o-lineman.

    T – the Rams had 5 turnstiles on OL last year, added one tackle from the Cincinnati old folks home and drafted ZERO OL…are these people running the Rams football people or ticket takers at Stan’s entertainment complex?
    by DrMizzou May 2 at 5:11 PM

    Yeah, but those same turnstiles allowed only 18 sacks in 2015 and helped get Gurley rookie of the year honors. So I don’t think you give up on that core yet. I think part of the blame needs to go to Gurley.

    Odds on this being Tavon’s last year with the Rams?
    by Dan May 2 at 4:27 PM

    I’d have to see how the new contract is structured. OK, wait. Let me look it up quickly. . . .OK. A $5 million roster bonus payable in 2018 already is guaranteed. He’s due $3 million in base in ’18, that’s only partially guaranteed until early in the ’18 league year. So the Rams would have to swallow some money if they cut or traded Austin after ’17. I’ll say 55-45 he stays.

    I think the biggest offseason signing for the Rams this year was bringing in Wade Phillips as Def. Coordinator. Do you think he’ll be able to recreate the success he most recently had in Denver?
    by Stan Jr. May 2 at 4:55 PM

    Don’t know about all that. He needs Quinn to stay healthy and regain his mojo as a pass-rusher, even in making the switch to OLB. He needs Connor Barwin to have a good year. But even if that occurs, I don’t see a Denver-like secondary.

    Jim,
    Did you get a chance to read Peter King’s article about being in the 49ers draft room this year? Really fascinating article. Surprised John Lynch would let anyone have that much access during his 1st draft as GM. Did you ever try to get access like that to the Rams during your time on the beat?
    by Jeff W May 2 at 2:07 PM

    Actually I did during the 2001 draft, the year the Rams had 3 first-round picks and took Adam Archuleta, Damione Lewis, and Ryan Pickett. Now, I didn’t have the kind of access Peter King did. I was allowed in the draft room basically 5 minutes before the pick was made and five minutes after. That was it. But it was an interesting look at how things were done, particularly when it came down to the Pickett pick. Head coach Mike Martz had some reservations about the pick, but GM Charley Armey was very persuasive in why he liked Pickett. So Martz signed off on Pickett, and he turned out to easily be the best of the 3 picks although most of his career was spent in Green Bay.

    Hey Jim, 1. What was the all time most cringe worthy Rams pick you knew immediately was stupid (tough question), and which one did you really THINK was stupid that worked out (none is an acceptable answer)?
    by ihtnep May 2 at 3:08 PM

    Lawrence Phillips is the most cringe-worthy one. There were 3 top-flight RB prospects in that 1996 draft. Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, and Eddie George. Of course, George was the only one that worked out. And he was the last of the 3 RBs taken. Anyway as each pick went by and Phillips wasn’t picked the sense of dread increased in the gymnasium at the Mathews-Dickey Boys’ and Girls’ Club. (That was the Rams’ practice facility at that time. Construction was not yet complete at Rams Park in Earth City.) So Phillips’ the woman-abuser slid to the Rams at No. 6 overall, and compounding matters was the fact that owner Georgia Frontiere herself phone in the pick. I believe she was unaware of Phillips’ past at the time. Conversely, I wasn’t a big fan of the Todd Gurley pick at the time, and that worked out swell _ for a year at least.

    Will the 49ers rebound soon, or will it be a long rebuild by the Bay?
    by Same Old Rams May 2 at 3:32 PM

    You won’t have to set aside money for playoff tickets this year. But I liked the Kyle Shanahan hire and I like what they’ve done in the offseason. Getting Solomon Thomas AND Reuben Foster to start your draft. Wow. They still need some juice on offense though.

    Now that the draft is done, how do you see the NFC-West shaking out?
    by Mark May 2 at 3:46 PM

    I still see Seattle at the top. Seems like they went for quantity over quality in the draft, which at face value is a little puzzling. Maybe they feel like they need to restock the depth chart. I like the first two picks in particular _ McDowell and Pocic. A little surprised they didn’t go for a running back with any of their 6 Day 2 picks. I guess they’re counting on Eddie Lacy to stay healthy. Arizona had a lot of losses via free agency. But GM Steve Keim is very good in my book. I wonder if they’ll have enough firepower on offense to be more than say a 9-7 team. That leaves the Rams and 49ers fighting it out for table scraps. Unless the Rams get a big bounce-back year from Gurley and Goff is dramatically improved, it’s hard to see this club winning more than 5 or 6 games. 7-9 BS actually would look good this time around. Many of the skill players on offense are so inexperienced. And they better not have many injuries on defense. I don’t see much depth on that side of the ball, For reasons I spelled out in an earlier post, I like where SanFran is headed although that could mean six victories this year.

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    from Ranking the 38 NFL Draft trades, from the Foster masterpiece to the Trubisky swindle

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-the-38-nfl-draft-trades-from-the-foster-masterpiece-to-the-trubisky-swindle/

    31. Rams sacrifice a late pick to overdraft pass-rusher
    Samson Ebukam is a solid prospect who could develop into a rotation pass-rusher for Wade Phillips. The Rams aren’t really in a position to sacrifice picks considering they didn’t have a first-rounder, they need personnel to fit the new offensive and defensive philosophies, and Ebukam had a good chance of being available at No. 141, where the Rams were originally slated to pick before the deal, which cost them a sixth-rounder.

    ME: My own feeling is, at that point in the draft Wade Phillips had his choice of LB/rushers in a draft unusually deep with LB/rushers, and this was his guy. Is that worth trading a 6th round pick? To me, sure it is.

    And in terms of the Rams needing guys…I think both that they have more guys than some analysts seem to think, and that they routinely score on UDFAs anyway. So I don’t see the “crisis.”

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    Man-eating deer

    Hey. Your title led me to expect a post about a man eating a deer.

    It was no such thing.

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    I believe McV plans on moving TA around and even handing the ball off

    Here;s something that backs you up:

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-tavon-austin-wrist-surgery-20170505-story.html

    “You look at some of the things that Tavon Austin does with the ball, both in the run game and when he’s able to catch it as a receiver,” McVay said in February. “He’s a guy that you want to move all over the formation.”

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    Yeah, I sorta took the guy’s ‘epiphany’ as making fun of what the right considers to be sissy left-wing theories of the kind that only ‘snowflakes’ subscribe to.

    Well I didn’t take it that way either, myself.

    I thought it was more of an insider-left making fun of theory thing. Like, if only the people knew the right theory.

    The double edge is that it’s also not likely that a standard Trump voter would care about any kind of counter-argument. It’s just about cheeleading.

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    How man times did Tavon score from 30+ yards out?

    According to espn splits, from 2013-16, it’s one time.

    I am not making a point with that one way or another, just noting it.

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    If only.

    I actually read that as double edged.

    It’s also a swipe at the people who think if you read the right theory you have it all figured out.

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    Kwayde Miller

    HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-7.5 / 300

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    PFF: RAMS WANT WR TAVON AUSTIN TO BECOME MORE OF A DEEP THREAT

    Austin would have to dramatically alter his game if he wants to threaten deep.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-rams-want-wr-tavon-austin-to-become-more-of-a-deep-threat/

    The Rams reportedly want WR Tavon Austin to become more of a deep threat, utilizing his speed more like the likes of Buccaneers WR DeSean Jackson. The fifth-year player will have to dramatically change his game to do so:

    Austin’s average depth of target last year was just 7.7 yards down field, second lowest of players with 100-plus targets and almost three times lower than league-leading Sammie Coates (21.6 yards).

    Austin has caught just six of 30 targets on post and ‘go’ routes, for 197 yards and two touchdowns throughout his career.

    For his career, he has averaged just 6.6 yards per target on go and post routes. Jackson in 2016 averaged almost double that (12.0 yards), scoring four times on 24 such targets.

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    I blame the Russian hackers.

    Da, kto yeshche eto mozhet byt’

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    UAB head coach Bill Clark knew Los Angeles Rams TE Gerald Everett could be a ‘freak’

    By Drew Champlin

    http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/05/uab_head_coach_bill_clark_knew.html

    When UAB opens its new football operations building, one room will be dedicated to past teams and NFL players.

    Gerald Everett may not have finished his college career at UAB, but the Los Angeles’ Rams tight end who was recently drafted in the NFL Draft’s second round first made his mark there. There will certainly be a plaque honoring Everett.

    Everett played as a sophomore at UAB in 2014. When the program was disbanded, he transferred to South Alabama and flourished over his final two seasons.

    The 6-foot-3, 239-pound Everett caught 90 passes for 1,292 yards and 12 touchdowns in two seasons with the Jaguars.

    “That’s our player,” UAB head coach Bill Clark said Thursday. “No offense to South Alabama, they can claim him too, but that’s our guy. Jordan Howard (who finished at Indiana and is now with the Chicago Bears) is UAB. Gerald Everett is UAB. I don’t make any bones about that. I think he’ll tell you he’s a UAB Blazer, I’m sure he’ll tell you he’s a South Alabama guy too, but no offense to them. He’s our guy.”

    Everett quietly emerged onto the scene at UAB. Clark said that former offensive coordinator Bryant Vincent found him at Hutchinson (Kan.) Community College. Everett, who played one year of high school football, signed with FCS school Bethune-Cookman in 2012.

    Before that fall, he enrolled at Hutchinson with hopes of being re-recruited by a bigger school. He redshirted one of his two seasons there and arrived at UAB in August 2014 as a sophomore.

    Everett could have stayed another season at junior college, but the opportunity came open at UAB. It didn’t take Clark long after seeing his film.

    Two plays was all it took to convince Clark.

    Everett, weighing just 215 pounds that season, caught 17 passes for 292 yards with a touchdown and a long of 34 yards and helped UAB to a 6-6 record.

    “Just a good kid from day one,” Clark said. “Unbelievable hands and physical. He had to get bigger and stronger, but what was so cool about him was how he could run after the catch.

    “That was one of those guys where you were like, ‘This guy is going to be unbelievable.'”

    His touchdown was a 29-yard catch and run against FIU. Everett backed up another future NFL player in Kennard Backman that season. Backman was a senior with Tristan Henderson in the tight end group.

    Everett recently stopped by UAB to visit Clark before heading to Georgia to watch the NFL Draft with his family. He played his final two years at South Alabama for Vincent and former UAB tight ends coach Richard Owens.

    “We didn’t want to lose the two tight ends we had, but we knew this guy was going to be a freak, and he was for South Alabama,” Clark said.

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    RamsVA wrote:

    I headed up the east coast to NY so I did stop in to see the NFL draft experience in Philadelphia on Friday. I spent a couple hours walking around and besides a photo with the Marshall Faulk HOF bust, and pictures of the Rams SB ring and Lombardi trophy, it was just a merchandise, $10 sandwich and $6 water rah rah session for the NFL. Might be a good option to take a young child but not worth the effort unless its just a bucket list checkoff and avialable at a local venue. Local radio was brutal on the sound system for the 100k spectators during the draft meaning they could see monitors but couldn’t hear anything. Reminded me of going to the Preakness one year when the speaker system went out. Nothing like being in a sea of 150k in the middle of the track and the only race experience was hearing horses go by every 45 minutes.

    TE Gerald Everett South Alabama
    Rams get a dynamic TE that could help team create one of the most dynamic TE duos in the NFC (Everett & Higbee, or Everett and Hemmingway. I liked Adam Sheehan who was taken by the Bears with the next pick, but certainly trust McVay on selecting the TE that fits his scheme best. Will be interesting to track both their careers since Sheehan was projected as more of the Gronk-type TE rather than the Jordan Reed skills that Everett possesses.

    Cooper Kupp Eastern Washington
    Rams get a very reliable (hands and route running) WR in Kupp who could be long-term safety blanket (think Isaac Bruce) for Goff.

    S John Johnson Boston College
    Rams get an upside DB (one that can play both CB and S). Bottom line Rams got a starting TE and DB instead of Zay Jones. I’ll take 2 quality starters especially since Rams drafted WR Cooper Kupp at 69, who many saw as good or better than Zay (Mayock had Kupp ranked 4th and Zay 5th in his top 5 rankings). John Johnson doesn’t have the potential upside of Sidney Jones, but as several have written on this forum, an Achilles tendon tear can have more negative career impact than a knee injury, so the Rams get Johnson who doesn’t have any health concerns.

    WR Josh Reynolds Texas A&M
    Rams get a WR I had posted about and targeted as an option at pick 141 since he was one of the top 4 most productive 2016 NCAA WRs. SEC media named Reynolds 2nd-team all-conference because he finished the year with 61-1,039 yards-12TDs.

    OLB Samson Ebukam Eastern Washington
    Rams get a multi-sport athlete, quick-twitch pass rushing OLB for Wade. I hadn’t tracked Ebukam at all. I was hoping for Carl Lawson in the 3rd (drafted in the 2nd) and eyeing similar LBs to Ekubam like Vince Biegle (Wisconsin), Eric Wilson (Cincinnati), or Elijah Lee (Kansas State) who would have also been interesting options for Wade’s hybrid 3-4 and special teams play.

    DT Tanzel Smart Tulane
    Rams selected WR Josh Reynolds at 117 so they drafted a DT here, a McVay character guy who lives and breathes football but has size limitations to play DT in the NFL. Interested to see how he does under Wade and DLine Coach Bill Johnson.

    FB Sam Rogers Virginia Tech
    Absolutely love this pick. I had predicted the Rams would draft him at 236 but I’ve been slamming the table for Rogers since last summer. Glad to see that the Rams draft a great locker room guy who can contribute in so many ways – even passing for a TD in one game. Rogers was incredible against the Buckeyes. He ripped off a nice 16-yard run early in the game, hit a block on two defenders to spring his back for a long run, and then caught a 51-yard touchdown on a wheel route with a superb run after the catch. McVay spoke glowingly about Rogers. I just hope they abandon the Cory Harkey HB role and give Rogers as many snaps as possible to help block for Gurley and Goff as well as generate his own stats on offense.

    DE Ejuan Price Pittsburgh
    Again, overjoyed about Rogers even though Rams grabbed him in the 6th. I’ll admit I knew nothing about Price, but with comparisons to Aaron Donald, James Harrison, and Elvis Dumarvil, I’m surprised he made it to the 7th round – probably due to health issues a couple years ago but he has certainly produced since including 5 sacks in one game against Louisville.

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    Rams officially added T Kwayde Miller (San Diego St.) today as an undrafted free agent.

    Kwayde Miller

    HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-7.5 / 300

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    Bio:

    Two-year starter at left tackle who played in three games as a sophomore after sitting his entire freshman season. Moved from tight end to the offensive line during his junior year of high school.

    Pos:
    Large tackle prospect only effective in a small area. Stays square, keeps his feet moving and uses his hands to knock pass rushers from their angles of attack. Agile, displays a good degree of quickness in his game and can adjust to oncoming rushers. Correctly places his hands into defenders and steers them from the action.

    Neg:
    Plays with little-to-no knee bend and poor pad level. Struggles finishing blocks.

    Analysis:
    Miller possesses next-level size which he negates by blocking with no leverage. He offers a good degree of upside but will have no chance at making it in the NFL if he does not improve his mechanics.

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    Hey ag, could you put those Reynolds vids in the Reynolds thread? Thanks. http://theramshuddle.com/topic/josh-reynolds-2/

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    Which leads to another question–if all goes well, how many potential starters did the Rams get in this draft?

    Gerald Everett: starter, down the road. But “starter” becomes a little murky if McVay rotates a lot of different weapons

    Cooper Kupp: starter

    John Johnson: starter, down the road

    Josh Reynolds: future starter…though I am not as sure about him

    Samson Ebukam: starter, down the road

    Tanzel Smart: rotation/depth

    Sam Rogers: depends how much they use a FB, is he a packages guy or a “starter”?

    Ejuan Price: packages/rotation guy

    Btw if they get 4 starters out of 8 picks with no 1st rounder, that’s quite a draft.

    EDIT: I changed it to 5. It was originally 4.

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    from Best and riskiest moves for every team’s 2017 NFL draft class

    NFC West

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/235666/best-and-riskiest-moves-for-every-teams-2017-nfl-draft-class#NFC%20W

    Los Angeles Rams

    Best move: The Rams identified Gerald Everett as a second-round target early and were so convinced by him that they were willing to move back seven spots, from No. 37 to No. 44, which netted an additional third-round pick. Everett gives the Rams a downfield threat at tight end, which is especially critical given how much value Sean McVay got out of tight ends in Washington.

    Riskiest move: The Rams took a handful of players from smaller universities who did not get a ton of reps against the best collegiate athletes. That includes Everett, who came out of South Alabama, and two others from Eastern Washington, third-round slot receiver Cooper Kupp and fourth-round outside linebacker Samson Ebukam. All three easily could play a lot this coming season. — Alden Gonzalez

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    from PFF

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/fantasy-football-looking-at-the-fantasy-landing-spots-for-the-top-drafted-tes/

    Gerald Everett (second round, Los Angeles Rams)

    After posting my dynasty rookie rankings earlier this week it’s clear I’m far higher on Everett’s potential than most of my peers. Here’s why:

    – Newly appointed head-coach Sean McVay hand-picked and spent significant draft capital (their first pick in the draft, No. 44 overall) on Everett.
    – Tight ends play a major role in McVay’s offense, and McVay may view Everett similarly to how he utilized Jordan Reed while in Washington. McVay’s tight ends hauled in 25 percent of the team’s targets in each of the past two seasons (league average was 20 percent over this span). Reed also led the position in fantasy points per snap each of the past two years.
    – Outside of, possibly, last year’s fourth-round selection Tyler Higbee in the immediate future, I don’t see much target competition for Everett moving forward. The Rams receiving corps boasts the generationally inefficient Tavon Austin as incumbent WR1, free agent acquisition Robert Woods (who has never reached 700 receiving yards despite four straight seasons with at least 75 targets), and FCS rookie Cooper Kupp.
    – By pretty much every receiving metric I consider significant, Everett was an absolute monster as a receiver throughout his college career. (Note, however, that his level of competition was also much softer than the tight ends selected ahead of him.)

    The concern with Everett, like with the earlier names, is that his deficiencies as a blocker might keep him off the field early in his career. However, if there really is a “Reed-role” in the McVay offense, this shouldn’t be as much of a concern. Reed was asked to pass block only 6.0 percent of the time last season.

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    That’s the 1st I’ve heard that…not saying it’s not true, just never heard it before.

    No it was common news. It was out there. But we all miss a story here and there.

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/08/los-angeles-rams-junior-high-jeff-fisher-les-snead-problem

    The personnel side will acknowledge the team needs more help there, and at corner and receiver, but point out that losing players like cornerback Janoris Jenkins wasn’t their call. (Coaches will tell you they wanted Jenkins back too.)

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/32392/jeff-fisher-on-coaching-again-i-still-want-to-do-it

    Fisher brought up the offseason departures of safety Rodney McLeod and cornerback Janoris Jenkins, seemingly blaming general manager Les Snead for not bringing them back.

    “I was told that there wasn’t going to be any issues – they were going to be re-signed – and we lost them,” Fisher said. “Janoris got votes for Defensive Player of the Year. That side of it – it doesn’t fall into my lap. … Because of the move, in retrospect and everything, things just got a little out of perspective, and we lost two really good football players.”

    As for offering clear guidance and instructions, I am often in a position at work where I do precisely that and the person receiving such guidance screws it up anyway.

    Not saying that’s what happened and in fact I am not taking sides. My point is simply that any narrative that favors one over the other in that situation can easily be reversed, because the truth is we don’t know the details and speculation can include all kinds of opposing scenarios.

    BTW, in case anyone reads it differently, I am glad they retained Snead and I don’t have issues with him.

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    I would like to know what caused the divide between Fisher and Snead

    One story out there seemed to be that Snead screwed up re-signing Jenkins. Here’s the article from the time that started the “toxic Rams” discussion.

    link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-junior-high-inside-a-dysfunctional-front-office/
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    IIRC the GM doesn’t work out the details of contracts nor try and fit players in to the cap…that all fall under KD and his wiz kid in the office.

    It seems as though Fisher is blaming some of the failed picks on Snead and Co.

    Am I not reading that correctly or what?

    No, in this case, Fisher went away for a normal vacation and relegated signing Jenkins to Snead. See if Demoff does more than simply do the contracts, then, he is interfering in football issues. Jenkins apparently didn’t like the process and walked, and Fisher blamed Snead for it.

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    I would like to know what caused the divide between Fisher and Snead

    One story out there seemed to be that Snead screwed up re-signing Jenkins. Here’s the article from the time that started the “toxic Rams” discussion.

    link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/rams-junior-high-inside-a-dysfunctional-front-office/
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    jrry32 wrote:

    SOME FOLLOW-UP

    We drafted a bunch of small school guys and had no first round pick. The grades aren’t a surprise. We’ll be vindicated in the end imo.

    Robinson and Kupp will have very different roles in the NFL. Kupp was drafted first because he’s more pro ready, an easier projection, and better at this point in time.

    Reynolds is a deep threat as it stands now. He’s a long-strider who can win in the air. He has the change of direction skills to be a legitimate threat in the intermediate range as well. He’ll need to continue to develop as a route runner. He has a thin frame, and that won’t change. His big issues early on will be adapting to a much more complicated scheme, getting off the LOS against press coverage, and winning in the short passing game. As it stands now, Reynolds’s releases are a bit predictable. He has the quick-twitch athleticism to really develop there. But with his thin frame and play strength issues, it’ll be tough for him early on. He’s competitive, though. He’s a long-strider who doesn’t have a lot of suddenness in the first 10 yards. It’ll make it more difficult for him to separate underneath. That means he’ll have to produce using his frame and ability to win at the catch-point.

    Reynolds has a lot of the same limitations that Alshon Jeffery had coming out. I want to make clear that Reynolds isn’t Alshon, but his game is somewhat similar. If he’s going to win underneath, he’ll have to do it by using his body and catching it with a defender on him. However, he has the build-up speed to climb over the top of defenders and win 1-on-1 down the field. Alshon had better hands, a bigger body, and more strength/physicality. Reynolds changes directions better and has more upside as a route runner. Reynolds is probably more of a #2 WR if he develops the way I expect.

    In regards to Kupp, he lacks that extra gear to separate vertically, but he has everything else. And he might still find a way to be a deep threat. There are a lot of guys who win vertically in the NFL without using pure speed. Film shows me that Kupp can get over the top of defenses using his skill and savvy, but he doesn’t really do it with pure speed against comparable competition. I trust the film.

    This is one route that I saw Kupp run that especially impressed me:

    If you look at the opposite side of the field, the route combinations are mirroring each other. Accordingly, you can see how the defense is trying to defend Kupp’s route by looking at the other side of the field. It’s 4th and 3. EWU’s offense is pretty predictable. They love the quick outs and slants. The defense is attempting to take away both. They have two ILBs sitting inside to take away the quick slant or spot route. They have the two DBs squatting at about five yards to jam the WRs and then slide underneath them in their hip pocket to prevent the QB from throwing the quick out. The defensive play-call here is actually perfect to stop what EWU’s trying to do. They should have had to throw over the top, but Cooper Kupp is Cooper Kupp.

    What Kupp does here is beautiful. He recognizes pre-snap that they’re squatting on the route and are going to try and jam him. Kupp also knows that they want to keep him from running the quick inside route on 4th and 3. The DB has inside help, so he shouldn’t care about the fake, but Kupp knows that a reaction is a reaction (you don’t think about it). Kupp comes off the ball and throws a quick stutter at about 3 yards. This is the route depth for a speed cut for a quick slant. The DB reacts to the stutter by stepping in the wrong direction (widening his base) and deadening his feet. This serves both to get him moving the wrong way and freeze him right before he’s supposed to jam Kupp. Kupp leverages his vertical stem just a little to the outside to gain him more room to prevent any chance of the DB getting his hands on him. From there, Kupp executes a textbook speed cut on the 9 yard out. After he comes out of his break, he snaps his head and hips around to prepare to aggressively work back to his QB. The ball is a tad inaccurate, but Kupp is still able to make the catch look easy.

    Sean McVay said that Kupp always has a pre-snap plan. This is an example of Kupp recognizing pre-snap that the defense is perfectly aligned to win against the play the offense is running. Kupp adjusted how he ran his route to still manage to his offense an easy win on 4th and 3 on a play that the defense won on the white board (if you were to draw the offensive and defensive schemes on the white board, the defense should have won this down). This is a great example of the sort of football IQ, savvy, and techical skill that Kupp offers our offense. He can flip a lost down into an easy win. This is what the Patriots’ offense is built around. They have smart WRs who recognize how to attack the defense, which is why they always seem to be open.

    Kupp may be a #1 WR, a #2 WR, or a #3 WR, but I feel confident that he’ll consistently produce. You don’t become more skilled than a significant chunk of the WRs in the NFL while at a school like Eastern Washington unless you have otherworldly work and film habits. I know people haven’t forgotten Wes Welker. That man didn’t succeed because of his athleticism. That man succeeded for the same reasons that Kupp will succeed. He was more skilled, prepared, and intelligent than just about every player he matched up against. Welker was a guy who made prime Darrelle Revis look bad.It’s all about how you scheme and use your WRs. I trust that McVay knows what he wants to do with this WRs. I think they could put Kupp in the slot, Tavon at flanker, and Woods at split end. However, I think it’ll be more fluid. I think we’ll see Kupp, Tavon, and Woods all working at all three WR positions. As for Reynolds, if he’s ready to play, he’ll compete for a job. If he doesn’t earn the starting job, I’m sure he can give those guys breathers.

    ***

    Everett is coming from South Alabama, hasn’t played that much football, and is pretty raw. It’s not about playing the traditional TE role. It’s about understanding the nuances of our passing attack and the route tree well enough to see the field. None of us know if Everett will. Say what you will about Jordan Reed, but he played QB at Florida in a pro style offense before moving to TE. IMO, he was more mentally prepared for the pro game. I hope Everett is ready to contribute this year, but I’m not going to convince myself that it’s definitively going to happen.

    Everett, once he develops, will be one of the most important players in this offense.(I guess “if he develops”). McVay used Reed in a very innovative way in Washington. Having a guy like that here would do guys like Gurley and Tavon wonders. All those safeties that Fisher kept bringing in all seemed to develop. Safety was Fisher’s position. TE is McVay’s. I trust him to get the job done there. But Everett may not be ready to play right away. TE is a tough position to transition to as a rookie.

    ***

    Kromer talked about cross-training our guards at Center. It’s possible that we see Wichmann or Brown as the #2 Center this year. I’d feel good about either there. I feel good about Kromer. He’s turned a lot of nobodies into solid or better starters.

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    Man. You read this whole thread, and you will “get” the Phillips defense!

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    from Guide to N.F.L. Defenses, Part 4: The 3-4 Front

    https://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/guide-to-n-f-l-defenses-part-4-the-3-4-front/

    Bum Phillips and the 1-gap 3-4

    To hear Bum Phillips tell it, developing his version of the 3-4 defense wasn’t rocket science.

    “Coaching is pretty simple really. If you don’t got something, find something you do got. Really, we didn’t have but one [defensive lineman] – [Hall of Famer] Elvin [Bethea] – until we got Curley [Culp] in the middle of that season. Then we had two. What we did have was four real good linebackers, so all I done was find a way to get our best players on the field.”

    Like the Fairbanks-Bullough 3-4 scheme that was taking hold in New England at the same time, Phillips was looking to contain the run and create mismatches in pass rush. Though Phillips based his scheme on the same concepts that the New England coaches did, he favored a more attacking style. He used a number of one-gap techniques in his front seven, stunting and slanting his linemen to cause pressure and using an OLB – “Dr. Doom” Robert Brazile, who was LT before Lawrence Taylor came into the league – frequently as a fourth pass rusher. In many ways, Phillips’s scheme was a 4-3 with four players in a two-point stance.

    That attacking style of play has stood the test of time better than the read-and-react style for much the same reason that the 4-3 with an under or over shift has. It allows players to attack the offense, specifically by disguising the defense’s fourth (and fifth or sixth) pass rusher and the coverage behind. In fact, there are a lot of under front concepts in the Phillips 3-4.

    In contrast to the true 2-gap 3-4, there’s no clear “bubble” in a 1-gap front. The strongside end slides down in the guard-tackle gap and the nose tackle slants to the weakside center-guard gap. The weakside end may or may not be head-up on the tackle, sometimes aligning in a 5-technique. Moving the defensive lineman just a few inches changes the philosophy entirely. The diagram above shows an under-shifted 3-4, but over-shifted 3-4 fronts are also common.

    By comparing the two 3-4 diagrams, it’s easy to see how the mind-set of the defensive linemen differs between the two flavors of 3-4. It’s clear that the two inside linebackers can be, if the linemen are disruptive at all, better protected from the blocks of interior linemen. You can see the lines of attack for a delayed ILB blitz or how each OLB might get a jump by shifting one defensive end to the outside of an offensive tackle.

    The under-shifted 3-4 front, with or without a 2-gap end, is just one of many potential variations a coordinator may align for his front seven. In fact, a coach influenced by both flavors of the 3-4 might be tempted to meld both concepts with traditional 4-3 ideas and create a monster playbook with more than 50 fronts. And pull it off with amazing success.

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    BeefJurky wrote:

    Jared Goff: Top 10 plays of 2016

    1 – Pocket presence

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    2 – Nice try, Sherman!

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    3 – Climbing the pocket like a veteran!

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    4 – The rare bootleg rollout!

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    5 – Perfect placement

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    6 – The bobbling TD!

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    7 – That sweet one-hander!

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    8 – The Josh Reynolds ticket to the Rams!

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    9 – Sloppy feet, Britt!

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    10 – The 14 million dollar fade!

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    McVay’s Offense Provides Upside for Jared Goff

    The former first overall pick could benefit greatly from his new head coach Sean McVay.

    From PFF ANALYSIS TEAM

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-mcvays-offense-provides-upside-for-qb-jared-goff/

    The Los Angeles Rams turned to offensive-minded coach Sean McVay to right a Rams offense that after three years never graded higher than 27th overall. McVay’s progress with his former pupil – Washington Redskins QB Kirk Cousins – shows promise for the Rams and young QB Jared Goff.

    Since he took over as offensive coordinator for the Redskins in 2014, Washington’s offense vaulted from a 24th overall grade by PFF, to 18th in 2015 and finally up to sixth in 2016.

    Over the last three seasons, Cousins averaged 8.1 yards per attempt in 2016 – third best among quarterbacks. Goff’s 2016 yds/att was 2.8 yards less than Cousins – and dead last in the NFL among 37 qualifying quarterbacks.

    The Rams have had only one quarterback throw for more than 2,200 yards since 2012, and only twice has a quarterback thrown more than 3,500 yards since 2010.

    Goff’s final year at Cal saw him finish with an overall grade of 87.9 while attempting 531 passes. Cousins has averaged 598 attempts over the last two seasons.

    in reply to: Sam Rogers #68382
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    “We play a matchup zone,” Phillips said, not afraid to reveal his playbook. “It looks like man until you pass him off to somebody else. We started it from basketball, way, way back. Everybody was playing 2-1-2 zone and if the ball went to one side, they stayed in place. But then later on they started moving over. We thought, “Well, we can do that. We’ve got five receivers going out, that’s the same concept as basketball.’ ”

    The Broncos’ defense is a tag-team. It plays one-on-one until it decides to play two-on-one. This helped them hold opponents to the fewest yards and the fourth fewest points in the NFL last season.

    That’s from here (last post).

    This stuff (—>) is from another article.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/phillips-743780-defense-rams.html

    This has happened a few times, where I’ll take over a 4-3 and go to a 3-4,” Phillips said. “But the 3-4 is better. You’re normally bringing four pass rushers. In a 4-3, that means all the linemen. In a 3-4, that’s three linemen plus a linebacker, but you don’t know which linebacker is coming. That causes some confusion and gives the defensive backs a better chance. Nowadays it’s all about stopping the passing game.

    “We’ve led the league playing all zone, or all man. I prefer man because it’s harder to throw against it for a good percentage. But we also play a lot of matchup zone, which looks like something it’s not.”

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    good read from 2016 on Wade’s defense

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    How the Broncos’ defense upended the NFL by moving past X’s and O’s to something more simple
    “We’re different — a lot different,” Sylvester Williams said.

    Aug. 15, 2016

    link: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/20/broncos-defense-upended-nfl-simple/

    It is the Broncos’ “Bear” call. Sylvester Williams, a hulking, 313-pound nose tackle, the largest player on Denver’s defensive line, a guy who gets paid to get in the way, drops into pass coverage.

    “That ain’t normal,” Williams said. “But that’s one of my favorite plays.”

    His job on this play is to keep a running back from catching the ball. No defense ever asks a nose tackle to play like a cornerback. The Broncos are not like everyone else.

    “We’re different — a lot different,” he said.

    When the Denver defense lines up next month to open the season in a rematch against Carolina quarterback Cam Newton and the Panthers, it will be trying to duplicate one of the most impressive playoff showings of all time, capped by a brilliant Super Bowl. In that game, Denver sacked Newton six times, intercepted one of his passes, scored a touchdown and nearly scored another. It put that defense in a discussion among the great defenses of the past 30 years.

    But the league does not quite know what it sees in the Denver D. The Broncos are an outlier in the staid NFL. They confuse fans and hardcore insiders. With defensive coordinator Wade Phillips, a football lifer who learned from his dad, Bum, the Broncos are conservative radicals, a stick-to-basics defense that bucks the trend of complicated schemes in favor of beautiful simplicity.

    The best defense in the NFL plays in plain sight. And nobody can pin it down.

    “They say they know what we’re going to do,” Phillips said, “but can they stop us?”

    JUST GO PLAY

    To borrow a board game tagline, the Broncos’ defense takes a minute to learn and a lifetime to master. Bum Phillips upset the defensive order in the 1950s when he was coaching small town high school football in East Texas. He developed a way to number defensive lineman to make it easy for kids to know their roles. And he introduced a 3-4 defense — three linemen up front, four linebackers in the middle. His ideas trickled up the ladder.

    Paul “Bear” Bryant borrowed Bum’s ideas at Texas A&M in the late ’50s. The NFL, with many teams still using five-man fronts built to stop the run and ignore the pass, soon followed. And the 3-4 defense began to take hold.

    Wade Phillips, who also came up through the Texas high school ranks, spun the 3-4 even further. He recognized that the 3-4 can be the most adaptable defense in football. It’s built to let players do what they can do best. If a linebacker is good at coverage, let him cover. If a cornerback can rush the passer, cut him loose. And if a 313-pound nose tackle is quick enough to chase a running back, go for it.

    “That’s our philosophy. Just do what the guy can do,” Phillips said. “I can think of a lot of different defenses. But it’s about what the players can do. I’ve always thought that way. When I coached in high school, some guys can’t play very well at all and you have to get by with what they can do. Maybe I got that from my dad. But when I started coaching, it just made sense to me that way.”

    But the Broncos can play very well. They can do just about everything. So the simple structure of the 3-4 allows them to be unpredictable. Positions and roles are only words for roster sheets. In theory, the Xs and Os are starting points. In practice, players play everywhere.

    “It is simple. That’s Wade’s goal. It allows you to just play,” Broncos cornerback Bradley Roby said. “The best defenses that I’ve seen, and the research that I’ve done, the common thing I get is they’re simple. Everybody knows their job, everybody knows their adjustments and everybody plays together. Wade’s defense, being simple, it allows our athletes to just go play.”

    PLAYING TAG TEAM

    This moldability allowed the Denver defense to baffle offenses last season. After the Broncos held Cincinnati to 200 yards passing in an overtime victory in late December, the Bengals’ receivers could not agree on what defeated them. The Broncos played a zone defense. No, it was man-to-man. No, they switched at halftime. No one seemed sure.

    The truth is between the lines. Bill Green, a legend in Indiana high school basketball, developed a hybrid defense in the late 1960s and ’70s, that starts as a zone and morphs into man-to-man. Instead of defending one-on-one everywhere, a player defends face-to-face in his area, then withdraws if that player crosses a boundary.

    Phillips loves this idea. If Broncos cornerback Chris Harris starts on the right side covering A.J. Green, for example, he can follow him around like a jacket until Green wanders too far, then Aqib Talib takes over.

    “We play a matchup zone,” Phillips said, not afraid to reveal his playbook. “It looks like man until you pass him off to somebody else. We started it from basketball, way, way back. Everybody was playing 2-1-2 zone and if the ball went to one side, they stayed in place. But then later on they started moving over. We thought, “Well, we can do that. We’ve got five receivers going out, that’s the same concept as basketball.’ ”

    The Broncos’ defense is a tag-team. It plays one-on-one until it decides to play two-on-one. This helped them hold opponents to the fewest yards and the fourth fewest points in the NFL last season.

    “It’s simple, but it’s not easy,” Roby said. “There’s a lot of pressure. The heat is on. But that pressure is what makes us work at our best. We’re used to being in man coverage when the game is on the line. When I was younger, in college, any time I’d get a man call, I’d be nervous. But not now.

    “In the end, it’s a one-on-one league. As a defense, we win those battles the majority of the time. If it’s a left tackle one-on-one with Von Miller, he’s winning that in two seconds. Teams have to catch us slipping, really.”

    Even longtime veterans of the game get confused by Denver’s defense. During the Broncos’ first preseason game, at Chicago, former safety and now broadcaster John Lynch commented about how aggressive Denver was blitzing the quarterback. This set off a battle of semantics after the game.

    Phillips retorted on Twitter, saying the Broncos never blitzed. They rushed four defenders, sometimes five, but they never blitzed. A rush is not a blitz. When a defense blitzes the quarterback, they are sacrificing numbers in the secondary in order to add an advantage at the line of scrimmage. It’s a gamble.

    “The true meaning of a blitz in football is six guys are rushing and five guys are covering five receivers,” Phillips said. “If a backer or a safety gets a sack, they usually say it’s a blitz. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But a dog (rush) is five people. And a four-man rush or a three-man rush is different.”

    Under Phillips, the Broncos rarely blitz. They don’t need to. They can send a four-man rush with Williams and defensive end Derek Wolfe and two linebackers, maybe Miller and Brandon Marshall, or two linebackers and two corners, or a corner and a safety with a lineman and a backer. The combinations are endless. It’s all a rush. And the Broncos can just as easily get to the quarterback without gambling on a blitz.

    That way, they can keep their numbers advantage in coverage and still pressure the quarterback. Between options A and B, the Broncos choose all of the above.

    “It’s simple — get to the ball,” Williams said. “That’s Wade’s No. 1 rule. Get to the ball. At the end of the day, if you get to the ball, you make plays, you do your job.”

    Defenses are necessarily reactive. The offense possess the ball. It dictates the terms. It moves first. The Broncos’ defense, though, is impatient. It doesn’t want to wait for the other team to act first. So Denver often makes the first move.

    “We’re a play-making defense,” Williams said. “We’re designed to get up the field. We’re not holding up blocks. We’re not two-gap. We’re making plays. I love this defense.”

    SIMPLY CRAZY

    Phillips, who was out of football and semi-retired in 2014 before he returned to the Broncos, waited a lifetime for a defense to match his philosophy. He was Denver’s defensive coordinator from 1989-92, then head coach in ’93-94. The Broncos reached the Super Bowl once in that span, in 1990, a blowout loss to the 49ers. His defenses were good. But they weren’t great.

    This defense is great. The difference now is personnel. The Broncos have one of the best defenders in the league, in Von Miller, and the best cornerbacks, in Roby, Harris and Talib, and they have defensive linemen who can play in pass coverage and linebackers, such as Brandon Marshall, who can cover ground like a sprinter.

    And unlike many other teams, the Broncos’ defensive playbook is thin. The scheme is straightforward. Players play. Chase the ball. Get it done. Phillips figured this out over decades. His idea is to turn over the defense to the guys on the field.

    “He’s got a lot of swag,” Williams said. “We have very few calls. He says to the defense, ‘Just make plays!’ That’s his mindset. He’ll call the call, then let us play football. It’s a player’s defense.

    “Coach Wade is a genius, man. We trust him because he trusts us.”

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    Rams DC Wade Phillips sees more flexibility, deception in 3-4 defense

    By Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/33055/wade-phillips-sees-more-flexibility-deception-in-3-4-defense

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Wade Phillips played in a 4-3 defensive scheme in college, as a linebacker at Houston in the 1960s. But he went on to become a defensive coordinator who would specialize in implementing the 3-4 scheme, one he will transition the Los Angeles Rams to in 2017.

    He just thinks it’s a better defense.

    “When you have a 4-3, you have four linemen, those are the four guys that are rushing,” Phillips said. “When you have a 3-4, you have three linemen and somebody else is coming from somewhere because it’s going to be a four-man rush most of the time. It gives an advantage of them not knowing, protection-wise. I think it helps you, pass defense-wise. If you look at our pass defenses over the years, you look at our sacks over the years, they’ve all been top of the league. And I think that’s the key to beating people is stopping the passing game in this league. That’s why I’ve stuck with the 3-4.”

    Phillips has presided over 20 top-10 defenses since joining the NFL in 1976. The Broncos unit he oversaw was the game’s best each of the last two years, benefiting from a lockdown secondary and a devastating pass rush that didn’t require blitz packages to get to the quarterback. Phillips, 69, has incorporated concepts of the 4-3 and the 46 defense over the years, but all within the structure of a 3-4 set.

    His defense isn’t expected to change much for the Rams’ players, even though they used four down linemen and mostly five defensive backs under former coordinator Gregg Williams, a master at disguising pass rushes.

    Aaron Donald will remain a three-technique, and though veteran defensive end Robert Quinn may no longer operate out of a three-point stance, he’s still expected to spend most of his time getting around the edge to pressure the quarterback. New defensive line coach Bill Johnson, most recently with the Saints, was with the Falcons when Phillips converted their defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4 in 2002. He remembers there being a lot of angst about the transition, but the Falcons went from 26th to 12th in defensive DVOA in Phillips’ first season.

    The 3-4 defense will only provide “more multiplicity,” Johnson believes.

    “Really and truly, to me, it’s techniques,” Johnson said. “They [the four down linemen from the 4-3 scheme] are going to be playing the very same techniques. And I sort of had the same thing in Atlanta — this is a four-man front, how are we going to fit these players?

    “I learned that you can be more multiple and you can attack protections better. I learned a lot of football with Wade that first time. And I think the advantage is we’ll be able to take our players and match them up in different positions that give us even better matchups.”

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