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wvParticipantFriend of mine, said radiolab had a segment
on the Milgram experiment that looked
at what the subjects actually said about
what happened and it lead to some
folks drawing different conclusions
than Milgram drew….i aint listened yet
http://www.radiolab.org/story/180092-the-bad-show/January 13, 2016 at 7:34 pm in reply to: 101, 1/13 … Timmerman, Wagoner, Bruce, Vermeil…and more #37219
wvParticipantThis is a moving target.
Since I posted that pic of the audio page, it has already changed.
The best one so far is Kaplan.
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I liked Carey Davis too.
He’s quite blunt about the
nature of the biz.w
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wvParticipantWell, I agree totally: fuck the Corporate-nfl.
Fuck the Billionaire-club.But i hope Michael rejoins the
conversation again. He would
be missed.w
vI agree. The fans like Mike Franke and all of the Ram and football fans I read/met/conversed with from St Louis made the Rams leaving LA in 1994/1995 palatable for me. but, they all need to deal with this tragic event in their own way. Mike invested a lot of himself each season in the Rams. Interacting with the Rams fans from St Louis was the best thing about the Rams moving to St Louis. I was heart broken and disgusted when the LA to St Louis move happened as I’m sure many of the St Louis fans are today. The fans have little or no control over the level of greed that truly defines the NFL and all pro sports. There is little or no loyalty by any of them – owners, coaches, and players to anything other than profit.
Yup. That’s basically what Carey Davis said in a podcast
on espn.w
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wvParticipantI haven’t paid much attention to the stadium
stuff cause I wanted to wait and see
which one got the green light.This thing is…um…unique.
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wvParticipantI’ll be seeing it next week,
probably.w
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wvParticipantIt would be nice if TJ
and Ogletree would take a look at that.JL has been tackling that way his whole career.
(and a lot of fans dont like it 🙂w
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wvParticipantThat was worth a listen. Money over Loyalty.
Yes.
Or Loyalty TO money.
As fans, maybe its good to
be disillusioned sometimes. Ya know.
To get a good look behind the curtain.
It helps us figure out what exactly
we are loyal TO. The horns?, The Players?,
The League? The Owner? The Coach? Organization? The ‘city’?
(what does it mean to be loyal to a ‘city’ ?)I dunno.
Does St.Louis build a stadium now anyway?
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wvParticipantThe Andrew Brandt audio is good.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14560893&s=espnPay attention to the part that starts about 1 minute 20 seconds into it.
Brandt says Jerry Jones and the “money guys” Ie, Snyder, Jeff Lurie, Woody Johnson, etc — “took over the room”.The committee that had vote 5 to 1, otoh,
had guys like Rooney on it.w
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wvParticipantlogically, I know you are right.
Logic is not on the forefront of my brain at the moment.
I hear ya.
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wvParticipant…I can’t speak.
I’m not sure at which point I fell in love with this team. I wish I hadn’t.
Well, lemme just ask…
How many games did you actually attend though Herzog?
Wasn’t your fan-experience basically
TV, Internet, Message-Boards ?You still have that, just like zn, and
Nittany and PaRam, and Snowman, etc, etc.Agree with you totally on the Kronky thing,
though. Yup. He screwed lotsa fans. Same as Georgia.
That aint the “Rams” though — thats Kronky.
And Georgia.w
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wvParticipantI liked it, but…damn. It’s the same story.
Yeah. Exactly. Same story,
but i kinda liked it.Friend of mine said he was disappointed
that there weren’t more “Aliens.”
I think i agree. I would have liked to see
some more creativity.w
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wvParticipantI would ‘think’ (just guessing) that the move
will be good for the Rams ‘psychologically’.
I mean they have this decade-long streak
of losing and mediocrity.What better way to begin a New chapter
than by…beginning a new chapter. Ya know.
New look, new location, new culture, new vibe.
Just seems like if i were a coach,
I’d say the move was a ‘positive’ thing.Otoh, the ole Rams were often criticized
for not being able to go east and play
in the cold weather. The thought
was that they got a little ‘soft’
in Hollywood. California never seemed
to hurt the 49ers though. So…we’ll see.w
vJanuary 13, 2016 at 12:56 pm in reply to: reporters on the Rams to LA vote (1/12-1/13 so far) #37160
wvParticipantNatural grass though.
I;ve seen it argued that the Rams as they are now built are not as good on grass.
The defense for one is slower.
However, maybe the long national nightmare of endless OL injuries will go away.
I wonder how Gurley will like playing
in the Rain, and such.Wonder what the Rams record is
over the last four years,
on grass?w
vJanuary 13, 2016 at 12:43 pm in reply to: reporters on the Rams to LA vote (1/12-1/13 so far) #37156
wvParticipantAs far as NFL alignment goes, the Rams’ move makes make great geographical sense. The NFC West will now presumable be comprised of Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona and the Los Angeles Rams, a perfect top-to-bottom West Coast (and slightly inland) group. If the Chargers move, the AFC West would consist of Oakland (for now), Denver, Kansas City and the Los Angeles Chargers. The franchises, they are a-changin’.
—————————-“Los Angeles Chargers” — for some reason, I hadn’t
thought about the fact the Chargers would not be
called the San Diego Chargers anymore.LA Rams and LA Chargers.
How weird.
So for two or three years it will be
the old Coliseum ?
Not a great home-field advantage.
The sound wont be intimidating.
Natural grass though.w
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wvParticipantWell, I agree totally: fuck the Corporate-nfl.
Fuck the Billionaire-club.But i hope Michael rejoins the
conversation again. He would
be missed.w
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wvParticipantThe real pertinent issue, for me, is all the St. Louis fans we will lose in the process. So I won’t be sitting there in the chat room feeling warm and glowy because they are in LA. Instead, I will be noticing and lamenting the missing members of our own community. Those guys mean far more to me than sunny home games in winter.
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Sure. True. But to state the obvious,
the St.Louis fans are perfectly welcome on
the Nomad-Train, with so many of us,
Non-locals.Nomad life is good. No parking hassles.
No need to pay Kronky’s ticket-prices.
No need to sit behind a guy with a
giant watermelon on his head,
reading Shakespeare.(probably zooey)Also, I am not sure the LA thing will be
bad for the team. They went to a Super Bowl
in 79 and had plenty of near-misses in LA.
So they can do fine, even with all the
surrounding fan-distractions.Anywayz….strange times. kinda surreal.
Kronky fires St.Louis instead of Fisher.
It’ll take some time to process all this.w
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wvParticipantMy own personal feeling? …I grew up
watching the old blue-and-white Rams in LA.
The team in St.Louis wore red. And i liked the Cardinals
but they weren’t the Rams.When i see the old Blue and White uniforms
i get the same feeling as when i open an old box
of Christmas cards that my mom has saved. Its like that.
Warm feelings. Childhood memories. Thats how i feel
when i see the blue and whites.So, I’m glad they are returning to Los Angeles;
I KNOW now, finally, they will wear the blue and whites
from time to time. I really thought i’d never see that again.I have so many warm and poignant memories — Jack Snow, Les Josephson,
Deacon/Merlin (thats one word btw :),
Youngbloods, George Allen, Cullen Bryant, Alvin Hammond, Bob Brown,
McCutcheon, Slater, Diron Talbot, Coy Bacon, Billy Waddy, Ferragamo’s pass, Prothro, Knox, Harold Jackson, The Vikings, Joe Kapp, The Cowboys, Staubach, The 49ers, Brodie…the St.Louis thing, just never ever felt quite right to me. Deep down it always felt a bit off….…I know some of the St.Louis fans will stop following the team
and to state the obvious, thats fine. Everyone feels
‘connections’ to different things — some folks feel connected
to the city, some to the players, some to a coach, some to
the uniforms, etc. There’s no right or wrong to any of that,
obviously.As for me…my own totally-subjective-irrational-feeling is…
…the Rams belong in blue and whites, in Los Angeles.
…and the red and white Cardinals belong in St.Louis.
Or maybe the Stallions belong in St.Louis. Something
belongs in St.Louis.Georgia was a dick. Kronky is a dick. The NFL is a
soul-less-corporation. The ‘game’
and the conversation with the posters, about the game,
is still fun for me.Back to Los Angeles. I like it. I’ll still be living out
the questions and throw’in things at the tv
in West, by god, Virginia 🙂w
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Someone posted this on youtube :
wvParticipantSomewhere,
Grits is smiling.w
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wvParticipantSD moving to LA is like the Rams moving to Columbia
yeah. not exactly like moving half way across the continent.
See he totally lost me with that.
I thought he meant Columbia the nation,
and… i was mulling that over.w
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wvParticipantBtw, so much of this anger in St.Louis
is exactly what the fans in LA went
through back in the 90’s. I mean
you can go back and read the letters
and articles from the LA times, etc.http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-04/news/mn-53698_1_rams-move
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wvParticipantThe most despicable part of this was SK’s scorching of STL on the way out. He was “a Missouri guy” dedicated to finding a way to stay in STL … until there was a chance to build a stadium in L.A. He’s poisoned the well here, and now all the owners know it would be a horrible situation in STL if he stays put with the Rams. The lack of fan support is a self-fulfilled prophecy. He’s such an asshole, though, that Spanos won’t play ball with him. It will take an extraordinary amount of carrot-and-stick diplomacy to get another owner to go in with SK on a deal. The guy has absolutely no ethics. He wants what he wants when he wants it.
I actually do think that the Raiders to St. Louis is a potential solution. There is just no way that Oakland’s using public funds, and the Raiders have been trying to get a new stadium for decades. I would say that, somehow, the Raiders could make use of the STL stadium plan.
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Well, I don’t think he’s any more of an asshole than Georgia
was. Or Rosenbloom. Or most of them ‘Owners.’Georgia was a hero to a lot of St.Louis folk. Why?
Cause she screwed over the LA fans.Kroenke is an asshole to a lot of St.Louis folk.
Cause he wants to move the team, just
like Georgia did — for more money.I just think identifying with an ‘owner‘
is probly, maybe, not a good idea for fans.I guess my point is — if Kroenke is an asshole,
so was Georgia. But i didnt hear St.Louis
fans saying “Georgia is an asshole for moving
the team away from LA, to St.Louis”Ya know.
Owners are billionaire Cthulhus.
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vJanuary 12, 2016 at 8:55 am in reply to: Peter King reviews the last playoff games and previews the next set #37017
wvParticipantHis foot struck the ball underneath the laces anyway.
He shanked it.
And then later, he and the Vikings
announcers cried.Dont forget the crying
part.w
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wvParticipantThey ain’t winning the NFC this year.
Somethin aint quite right with them this year.The Vikes were mediocre and they barely escaped.
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wvParticipantWentz sounds good to me. I doubt
he’s around at 15.w
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wvParticipantI don’t think he’s that special. I think he gets points for how he used Barron after Ogletree went down. The run D struggled at times even with a great D line. I think maybe he gets a B grade.
Is it a ‘great line’ though, without Quinn?
Brockers aint great. Simms? Hayes? Fairley?
Solid players?
I dunno if its really a ‘great line’
without Q.w
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wvParticipantWord on Green Bay is that they not only miss Nelson, their OL has been very banged up. When guys are not out, they’re playing with injuries, and it looks out of sync. It’s like the 2014 Rams in that regard.
Washington, on the other hand, relies on its OL as a team strength, and their line is pretty healthy.
It’s the old story, and it’s why Cousins looks good and Rodgers doesn’t.
Well if it stays close, my money
is still on Rogers.Point taken though. Earlier
in the year folks were arguing
that A.Rogers THE greatest QB of ALL TIME.
Not so much this last month.w
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