Zooey wrote:

Dak wrote:

I’m wondering if somewhere along the way that SK felt disrespected in this process …

I really don’t know how L.A. fans like Joe could go through this type of thing and still follow the Rams so closely. If there’s anything that will keep me following, it could be this bunch of fans on this board right here. I can’t say that for sure, because honestly I get busy and I’m very stingy with my time.

And, really, as I get older, sports becomes less and less important to me. .. There are much worse things that can happen to you than to lose an NFL franchise (a second time).

I don’t think it’s a matter of disrespect with Stan. I don’t think anything is personal with him. It is all business. The man’s entire life has been business deals, making money. That’s what he does. He is one of those guys who is simply a Borg of Business. He is literally a Multi-national Corporation in human form. Corporations aren’t sentimental. St. Louis is simply a market. Los Angeles is a market. For Kroenkeco, Los Angeles is a better place to build Empire than St. Louis is. It is that simple.

And I agree with WV in the sense that his argument is entirely “legal” rather than emotional. There’s no name-calling or anything personal. It is “scorched earth” in the sense that he argues that St. Louis is entirely deficient as a marketplace. He doesn’t stop with just saying, “The dome isn’t 1st tier.” He wants to move. So he pulled out all the stops, and presented the most damning argument he could against St. Louis, and the most favorable argument he could towards his Inglewood project. If he pulled punches anywhere, it was on Carson.

And I fully agree with you on “time,” and on priorities. I have other things to do, too, things that matter. And sports…as much fun as they are…the longer I live, the more I am disappointed. My heart got broken on the scoreboard many times when I was a kid. And I saw my favorite players leave as free agents, and I saw rule changes I didn’t like, and traditions discarded, and the commodification of everything, and the price of paraphernalia and tickets skyrocket, and games get harder to watch on TV, and teams move away from loyal fans, and strikes, and lockouts, and replacement players, and it all just takes a toll. There are far, far more ways to be disappointed in sports than there are ways to find happiness. Only one team wins each year. Everyone else experiences some level of disappointment.

Bu you are certainly right when you say there are worse things that can happen to you.

I follow the Rams even when they are down, but if not for this band of brothers posting here, I wouldn’t spend as much time on them as I do.

You know, I think a lot of fans treat their fandom like a religion, and they cast disdain on “bandwagon” fans, and all that. I just am not wired that way. And I think all the disappointment in my teams, the owners, the management, the league, has just taught me that I should treat my loyalty the same way the owners treat their teams. I mean…Stan (and hosts of other owners before him) has shown he doesn’t care about the fans per se. Owners believe they don’t owe us anything. So I don’t see why we owe them anything. I don’t understand sports as religion. It’s a business arrangement. And if they provide a crappy product, I don’t have to give it my money. I’m NOT paying to watch the games, and I’m not paying $185 for a shirt that cost them $4 to make in China.

When the Rams left LA, I had to decide if I was dropping them as a fan or not. I, like other nomads, decided the zip code of their stadium wasn’t as important to me as the team and the history of it that I grew up with, and internalized. It was important, but not THAT important. To me. But “home” team was never a thing for me, since none of the teams I root for are local. Anyway, I just realized that the Rams are part of me. And I wasn’t going to let them take that from me. That was my decision. I just decided – as much as I didn’t want them to move – that geography was less important to me than other things.

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Ditto to all that, zooey.

I kinda wish fans would stop doin what they do.
I wish they’d stop paying ridiculous ticket prices.
Just stay the F### Home. And stop paying for all those
ridiculous tv-packages. And stop buying all the corporate
jerseys for a gazillion dollars. Etc.
Stop all the money-madness, and just…follow the team
without giving money to the corp-machine.

But of course thats like saying don’t buy plastic
shit at Walmart — aint gonna happen.

I could go on…. 🙂

Anyway, i enjoy the hell out of this small
group of posting-apes on this small planet,
in this swirling blazing galaxy, in this mysterious
dark void of space.

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mfranke wrote:

Through the first 15 games, I have the 49ers averaging 14.6 points per game, so…
(And they averaged 15.2 vs. non-Ram opponents)

Ultimately, I’m just really tired of getting burned by dumpoff passes.

–Mike

Mike, I think i speak for everyone on this little board of outcasts, banned-posters, riff-raff, savages, and Ag,
when i say, we really appreciate all the work and the posts.

Dont be a stranger.

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“The sight of human affairs deserves admiration and pity. And he is
not insensible who pays them the undemonstrative tribute of a
sigh which is not a sob, and of a smile that is not a grin.” Joseph Conrad

zn wrote:

I think it’s as simple as, if they have Gurley they win.

I agree, but it was a last place team they
were playing. So one would like to root for a team
that could beat a last place team even without Gurley.

You see, i have danced circles around your
Gurley post.

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“There isn’t another team in the NFL that would bring Jeff Fisher back next season.”

You know, for better or worse,
this might be true.

I dont blame GW for any
thing in this one, myself. 16 points
in four quarters is all GW’s D gave up.
I’d say his plan worked well enough.

It was the passing game that kilt em.
As per usual.
And of course the injuries (Gurley, Quinn, etc)

Are you gonna be posting in the offseason,
Mike?

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Dak wrote:

Stan has taken a scorched earth…

I’m telling you now, if this all plays out the way it looks to me, I just don’t know if I can support the NFL anymore. I’ll see how I feel after the dust settles, but I’m pretty sick about this whole process at this point. Billionaires holding up cities for public assistance…”

Yeah, i totally understand that feeling/thought-process.

I dont think i need to tell-ya how much I despise
the ‘Big-Corporate‘ aspect of College-Football,
MLB, Pro-Football, NBA, etc, etc.

Somehow or other, i find a way
to enjoy the game-itself, and tune out all
the hype, corporate-shit, pre-games, post-games,
Commissioner-stuff, ticket-price-crap,
player-salaries, coach-salaries, TV-crap…
….prettymuch ALL of it — except the game,
itself. Its still fun for me, to watch a ‘team’
struggling through ‘adversity’ to reach a goal.
And its fun to see the unexpected plays,
and beauty and strategy and force of the game.

So far, i still enjoy the game itself,
and the internet message-board conversations.

It’s easier to do that as a ‘nomad’ though.
I don’t have to care where they play.

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You failed to mention that
Frank cusomano is on the Balzer audio.

It would be wrong
to listen to that one.

The JT one is even worse,
btw.

Those are like David Lynch Zombie
audios.

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He’s kinda like Faulk,
only a DT.

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Agamemnon wrote:

wv wrote:

Anybody think Tru is better than JJ ?
I think they are both good, and different types,
but I still think JJ is a better corner.
Tru, I think, benefits greatly from having
JJ on the field.
Yes? No?

Who is the DB coach btw? I forget.
Whoever it is, gets a gold star this year.

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<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Yes.</span>

But JJ is quicker, shifty-er.

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Prettymuch agree with all that.

But what are YOUR criticisms of Fisher?

“…With Fisher, I will defend him (and actually I don’t ever see the criticisms of him I myself have). But if they replace him, I won’t lament it, because the new guy—assuming he’s any good—inherits so much..”

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PA Ram wrote:

On the “Twin Peaks” thing–started watching–sort of forgot about it–never finished it. I don’t think I’m a big Lynch fan. I feel like I’m the sort of person who would be a big fan but somehow I’m not.

I’ve been binge watching old MASH episodes. The original Father Mulcahy was not played by William Christopher for the first couple of episodes but they didn’t even give that actor a line so apparently they weren’t thrilled. By episode three he was out and William Christopher was in and the REAL Father Mulcahy was born.

Frank Burns as portrayed by Larry Linville may have been one of the greatest comic roles ever put on the small screen–and the most perfectly cast.

The more I watch the more I see Hawkeye as Groucho Marx. Yes–he actually dressed up as Groucho a few times but whether dressed or not–he was Groucho.

I kinda see Case Keenum
as Radar O’Reilly.
Maybe thats just me though.

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TSRF wrote:

Here we are again.

Playing well, but not in the playoff picture.

I’m really getting tired of, “Let’s just wait till next year.”

Who knows where we’ll be next year. Ever think that even if we don’t leave St Louis, we may still change conferences if the Raiders and Chargers go to LA? This means our schedule is in total flux.

Made my kids watch Blue Velvet yesterday (19 and 16). Yes, I am a bad dad…

“made my kids watch Blue Velvet”

Now thats what i like about you T.
When i open up one of your messages,
its like falling into a Lovecraftian rabbit hole.
Or somethin.

It would be nice to win four in a row.
Thats the thing to me — the four
in a row part.

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