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wvParticipantYes, that was a very good article.
American politics is disgusting. In a fair and open-minded arena, the media would be fawning over Sanders the underdog. Instead, he’s held nearly in contempt. How dare he continue to challenge the anointed Democrat? Hillary has “paid her dues.” … What’s amazing is that Trump could be president simply because he’s facing Hillary. And, the only way she wins is sounding more and more like Sanders. Surreal.
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Its like a Salvadore Dali painting,
aint it.Only instead of flaming giraffes and melted clocks,
we got melted Clintons and flaming Trumps. And stuff.w
vMay 26, 2016 at 7:40 am in reply to: Les Snead on Brian Quick "I was thinking Vincent Jackson." #44719wvParticipantI suppose we’ll find out once team activities start.
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My wild-speculation is…he’s not very good.
I just wasn’t impressed with his several-game-streak of catching
some balls. I mean, none of the catches made me go “wow, that guy really
did something special there.”w
vwvParticipantI fixed yer applause gif in the Great Bean Thread. Just wanted to be sure you knew.
If you want I can tell you how to avoid that error.
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We know you and PA speak in code. No one will be fooled by your
sly post.“I fixed yer applause gif in the Great Bean Thread.
Just wanted to be sure you knew.
If you want I can tell you how to avoid that error.”
Translation: The dynamite is in the applesauce. Package arrives on the snow-mobile. Avoid smoking near the ducks.
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vwvParticipantLook at the ACA–people want something done. A system where insurance executives make tens of millions every year while Americans struggle to pay or can’t pay for medical makes no sense.
And the system that Clinton supports and defends–the ACA–doesn’t really solve anything. Americans are still struggling to pay the rising costs of prescriptions and medical care.
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Obama-care is a crock of @@@@. I know this because i have conversations with working-poor every week. The pro-Insurance crowd likes to remind everyone of how millions of people are now “covered by health insurance”. Which sounds good. (Course there’s still millions who are not covered)
But when I have actual, real conversations with those folks “covered by health insurance” i get story after story after story about, how someone was sick and they went to a doctor and the doctor wrote a prescription and the prescription cost, like $500 bucks and it was not covered by the “health insurance”. Five hundred bucks may not seem like a lot to ‘middle class’ people, but real actual poor people cannot pay that. They are already in a hole.
I hear that story so often if it wasn’t so infuriating, it would be funny.
Its very simple — Wealthy people should…not…get…to live longer,
just because they inherited a bunch of money. Wealthy people should…not…get…better health care than poor people.
Its…wrong. It astounds me that people can twist and turn and rationalize a way of ignoring that.In the richest nation in the history of humans, certain things should not
be left to ‘the market’. Even in a capitalist country. Health care, dental care, education, and probably energy are some of those things.w
vwvParticipantI think your wrong on that Zooey. I believe she’s battle tested and has already been attacked by the Senate and House on those precise statements-to no avail. My perception of Sanders in the White House is him sitting there in a tweed jacket smoking a pipe with invited post grads philosophizing about all that’s wrong and what he “intends” to do. Mike Tyson once responded to a reporter who asked about an opponents “plans” -he said plans are good-until your hit. Politics and governing -especially in this country-is all out warfare. Clinton has been hit over and over again even before she was senator. Each time she has gotten up and hit back. She is tough as nails. I don’t see Sanders in that vein. He’s never been to war. Nor has Stein. For that matter neither has Trump. I would rather have a tough pragmatist who has been tested in combat than an idealist who has never been to war. She is the only one the democrats have nominated in a long long time, including Obama, that has the balls to tell the Republicans to go fuck themselves. And she will.
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I know you are talking to zooey, but, I’ll butt in — my two cents iz…i couldnt care less how “tough” Hillary Clinton seems. Or how “battle tested” Hillary Clinton seems to be.
I loathe the POLICIES she believes in and has fought for. The Policies.
Personally, i dont care about her “toughness” at all.At any rate, none of her “toughness” is going to mean anything to a Republican Senate. They will oppose her policies the same way they would oppose Bernie’s policies. I doubt either Hillary or Bernie would get much done. But at least Bernie would be fighting for the right policies.
Hillary would be STARTING with Republican-Lite policies, and the Reps would start from the HardCore-Rep part of the spectrum, and ‘tough’ Hillary would ‘compromise’ and we’d end up with ‘moderate republican’ policies. No thanks.
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wvParticipantI stayed during eight years of Bush. I can handle Trump.
What is it you like BEST about trump. I’m not talking about personality
or “he stands up to the system” cliches. I mean, what actual, real,
POLICY do you like best.He’s against NAFTA and those hideous trade agreements, right? I do
like that about him. Or am i wrong about that?w
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Agreed.
And now, I am done ‘thinking’ for the day.
It is time for me to eat raw corn and watermelon,
and sit on the patio,
and watch the white clouds in the blue sky.So far, the blue sky is still free.
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“Work is not always required….there is such a thing as sacred idleness,
the cultivation of which is now fearfully neglected.” George McDonaldMay 25, 2016 at 5:38 pm in reply to: Keenum will be the starter to open camp…how close or far is Goff? #44683wvParticipantWell, its mainly fluff so far, but still, so far, so good.
I’m sick of seeing this btw:
“…But it wasn’t just about the throws. The fact that Goff helped bring Cal from an 11-loss team his freshman year to winning the program’s first bowl game since 2008 speaks volumes about his leadership ability…”
No, it does not speak volumes about his leadership. Hundreds of QBs have
gone from one win seasons to a five-win season, to an eight-win season.
Happens all the time in College football. Young teams grow up and get
better, the coach has a good recruiting year, blah blah blah.It doesn’t necessarily say anything about Goff’s leadership.
Having said that, sure, Goff looks like a good leader. His team mates
seem to like him a lot. So….so far, so good.w
vwvParticipantAlong those lines, question for ya:
Do you think it would be effective, at all, to talk about our history of anti-capitalist activism, or the fact that America itself wasn’t a predominantly capitalist nation until after the Civil War? ..
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I think it just depends on the audience. On a message-board full of readers and critical-thinkers i think you can talk about anything. (Even the H-Back or the Prevent Defense). But if you are trying to ‘persuade’ or convince or change the minds of the ‘masses’ — well, I got nuthin. Its really, really, really, hard. I mean, they…dont….care…about ‘academic’ or ‘history’ stuff. They are trying to survive. They need a JOB. They will frack or strip mine or be a scab or work in a toxic factory — they just need to EAT. They need to feed their son and daughter. Think about the audience.
So, to be a ‘persuader’ or ‘activist’ is a tough, tough, gig.
There’s a reason Hillary AND Bernie, have a tough time getting votes
in the coal-fields. Its the “central cunundrum” that Kaufman alludes to in the quote above — Ie, its hard to fight capitalism or tell people they should fight capitalism — when they need a Capitalist to LIVE. To eat. To survive.I dunno, though. At this point I’m just happy if the minimum wage goes up a penny. Thats how screwed up the public iz.
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I pledge allegiance to the earth,
And to the flora, fauna, and human life that it supports,
One planet, indivisible,
With safe air, water, and soil,
Economic justice, equal rights,
And peace for all.wvParticipantWV,
Again, thanks for the quote — and yet another new writer for me to look into.
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Cynthia Kaufman has a version of her book on Capitalism somewhere online. I mean a draft of the book is online, so you dont have to buy it. But i cant find it. I must have lost it. I found it on one of her sites a long time ago. Her book is built around what she calls the “central conundrum”.I enjoyed the book. She made it very accessible for the average reader
which makes it INVALUABLE in my view. Way too many abstruse, overly-intellectual, difficult-Reads out there on “capitalism”. Nothing is gonna change, imho, until intellec-chuals learn to talk to ‘poor-people.’ Gandhi was good at that. King was good at that. Hitler, i suppose. 🙂Whoever can communicate with the masses,
wins. Which doesn’t necessarily mean ‘dumming things down’. Just communicating effectively. Which requires all kinds of traits, in the communicator. I think. I dunno. I got nuthin, really. My plan really is to pull up a rocking chair, sit on my porch, watch the birds, and try and pick off as many zombies as i can before the end.w
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“…In a society dominated by capitalist logics, people will generally see that
their interests are served by the election of candidates who are able to provide a context in which business can be successful. They tend to vote this way because of capitalism’s central conundrum: getting a job from a capitalist is the most likely way one can get what is needed to survive in a society dominated by capitalist processes.Elections then serve the owning class in two powerful ways. They help
stabilize the capitalist economic structure by putting people in power who will
prioritize protecting the conditions for capital accumulation. And elections also help to legitimate the system by showing that the majority has freely chosen capitalist priorities. Only if anti-capitalist forces are able to transform society such that people’s well being is not dependent upon capitalists to provide them the resources they need to survive, will working class people ever vote to get rid of capitalism. Przeworski shows that we don’t need a functionalist theory of the state that posits an all powerful bourgeoisie which is able to always get its needs met by the state, or a complex theory of how the masses are tricked by a false
consciousness set in place by bourgeois forces, to understand why European
voters have not chosen to abolish capitalism. Instead the explanation for why
people choose capitalism is quite simple: it is in their short-term self-interest.Przeworski’s analysis helps us to understand the real place that
challenging capitalism is difficult. The problem is not simply that capitalism is protected by a “capitalist state.” His analysis shifts our attention from the state to the economic dependencies created by capitalism. This analysis leaves us with an understanding of the state as an important site of contestation, but not as the central fulcrum point for anti-capitalist action.….” Cynthia KaufmanwvParticipantMike Martz! Max-Q!
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Yes, he was in training back then. Learning
to be a paranoid, suspicious, authoritarian, bad-drafting,
stubborn, over-sensitive, offensive wizard.w
vwvParticipantOkay–if you won’t wv–I will.
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Ok, but is see you could not find a photo of a monkey at a Red Light, either.What are those guys doing? Golfing? Are they Golfing Republican Monkeys? See, PA you totally misunderstand this thread. Its not a thread about Republican Monkeys playing golf. Or Liberal Monkeys playing golf, for that matter. Near-as-I-can-tell this is a thread about how staring too long at stop-lights can cause color-blindness in primates.
I just dont think you are thinking like a lawyer.
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wvParticipantI’ve mentioned it before, but I think it’s a mistake to pin this all on corporations. To me, they’re just the inevitable outgrowth of an economic system that breeds them quite naturally. Capitalism itself is set up to concentrate wealth, power, access and income at the top…
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I dont really disagree, BT. I just have a different way of talking about things.
For me talking about mega-corpse ‘is’ talking about corporate-Capitalizm.
Same thing, to me.Having said that, often-times, i think its easier for the average-joe and the average-jane to wrap their heads around the ‘bad corporation’ meme moreso than talking about Marx or “Capitalism” etc. Frankly i just dont think the groundwork has been laid to talk a whole lot about ‘capitalism’. I mean the capitalist-class has just done an outstanding job of ‘educating’ Americans that Capitalism equals ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’ and anti-nazi-ism and anti-stalinism and jesus just loves capitalism, etc, and so forth. So, i usually stick to ‘bad corporations’. People seem to be ready to ‘get’ that part.
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————–“…Capitalism is a social formation that is constituted by the complex articulation of a variety of replicatory processes. These are semi-autonomous sub-systems,
which make capitalism work. They are complexly and contingently related to
each other, and to the systems that replicate other systems of domination.
Capitalism will be protected by the very wealthy transnational business
class, working hard and strategizing to keep conditions optimal for its ability
make profit. It is constituted by a multi-trillion dollar arms industry and the
military policies of the major industrialized countries and many others working
to protect the conditions of appropriation. It is protected at a local level by laws,
police, and prisons. It is stabilized practically and ideologically through elections Its values are promoted and its operations are obscured through the media. And it is promoted and fed by a culture of consumerism.
Capitalism helps to stabilize and promote some other forms of domination
and those forms of domination often obscure our ability to see the ways that
capitalism operates. Capitalism functions much like a virus. Forms of agency to
protect capitalist accumulation have emerged historically. These forms of agency, constituted as an owning class, work non-stop to maintain the profitability of individual firms and to maintain the broader conditions for the smooth operation of capitalist enterprises.When we fight capitalism we are fighting an enemy that has no single
brain and no single command center. It is dispersed in its agency across the
social landscape. It acts like an agent, and yet does not have a fulcrum for its
destruction. This is why it cannot be “overthrown”; why a coup against it won’t
work; and why even having a group of anti-capitalist agents “take state power”
will not mean that it has been destroyed. Capitalist logics have woven
themselves deeply into the social fabric. They function as a widely dispersed set of memes.Eradicating them will take an approach that pushes back capitalist
logics from their extension into our lives; interrupts processes of replication;
challenges its mutually reinforcing dynamics with other forms of domination;
and engages in operations of delegitimation.Much like the work done by public health officials in virus eradication,
anti-capitalist agents must use a multiplicity of means and they must be ever vigilant against the continual reemergence of new memes that will reproduce capitalist forms of destruction. How we understand the main tasks in that process is the subject of Chapter 4…” Cynthia KaufmanwvParticipantShow that to potential trade partners and don’t let them see anything else. We could get a 1st rounder. Of course if they see the meltdown stuff–well, that’s gonna subtract more than these highlights add and…not good.
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zn is obviously trying to start a QB-Controversy.
He’s nefarious, that way.
I remember when he posted TJ Rubley highlights. Totally ruined Everett’s
confidence, back in 93.
Btw, who was the Rams “offensive assistant” back in 1993?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Los_Angeles_Rams_season#Personnelw
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Professional careerRubley was selected by the Los Angeles Rams in the ninth round (228th pick overall) of the 1992 NFL Draft. He spent his rookie season as the team’s inactive third quarterback.
Rubley saw action in two NFL seasons in 1993 and 1995. He started 7 games for the Rams during the 1993 season. With limited playing time and being waived numerous times by NFL teams, Rubley found success with the Rhein Fire of the WLAF and played briefly with Hamilton Tiger-Cats and Winnipeg Blue Bombers of the CFL.
Perhaps his most infamous moment in the NFL came as a Green Bay Packer in a 1995 game against the Minnesota Vikings. Both starting quarterback Brett Favre and back-up quarterback Ty Detmer got injured in the game, but the Packers and Vikings were tied 24-24 with less than a minute to go and the Packers with the ball on the Minnesota 38-yard line. On 3rd and 1, coach Mike Holmgren called for a quarterback sneak. However, Rubley, the only remaining quarterback for the Packers, audibled and called a roll-out. He passed the ball and it was quickly intercepted, giving Minnesota the ball and eventually, the win.
Post-football careerRubley served as a consultant for the film The Replacements, specifically coaching Keanu Reeves in his role as the starting quarterback for the fictional Washington Sentinels.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._J._RubleywvParticipantOld world monkeys and apes mainly see as humans do – they are trichomats, so they pick up red, green, and blue. But many new world monkeys do not. There is no real pattern among species. In fact, in the same family of monkeys there can be up to six different types of color blindness or vision. As with their human cousins, color blindness is more common in males than in females.
Basically, the way I see it, is that red lights are unfair to monkeys, and they should not have to abide by them.
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Normally, i would post a picture of a funny monkey, at this point.But I think a history lesson is required before
we can move on to the funny monkey pictures.…some traffic lights had four colors, not three. I bet u didnt know that.
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vMay 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm in reply to: congressional study: NFL attempted to manipulate concussion research #44617wvParticipantThe NFL has an honesty problem.
Shocking, i know.
Sometimes they remind me of Nixon. Ya know.
I mean Nixon never had to do all the dirty trix he did.
He won his second term easily. He never had to act like a weasel.
Same with the NFL. They make gobs of money. They didnt have to lie
about the concussion stuff….w
vwvParticipantI don’t know that I agree with that. Would the monkey REALLY have to be trained? Or could he just wing it?
Seriously though–I think you belittle your profession a little bit, wv. I am sure that learning procedures and laws and cases would drive me batty.
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No, its true, Pa. Trained monkeys. Visit a bar meeting sometime. Talk to a bunch of lawyers.
Be prepared to talk about golf, though.Btw, the first thing you learn in law school is to “think like a lawyer”. Thats what ‘they’ call it. Thinking like a lawyer. What that means is to always look at things from many sides. Be prepared to see things from various points of view, and dont think that there is ‘one holy truth’. There may be a final ‘verdict’ but thats not ‘the truth’. For example, the law allows for arguments about ‘self-defense’ but just what constitutes ‘self-defense’ ? There could be a gazillion fact patterns, each one just a slight-degree different. Or, what is ‘free speech’? Is it money? Sometimes? When? When not? Well, Scalia might say X, and Thurgood Marshall might say Z, and Oliver Holmes might say Q….law is not like math. Its more like looking at a painting. Interpretations. Based on Interests, politics, logic, a gazillion conscious and unconscious things.
In other words the ‘law’ is full of ‘questions’ but not necessarily full of ‘bright line answers’. And thus to ‘think like a lawyer’ is to ‘get’ the fact that there are many ‘arguments’ and even opposing arguments might have equal merit…depending.In other words ‘thinking like a lawyer’ is much like posting on a message board….which…a trained monkey could do. Yes?
PS — a trained monkey is driving a car. He goes through a red light. Did he break the law? Well, a person NOT thinking like a lawyer might give a quick yes or no answer. But a person “thinking like a lawyer” would say, “it depends” (and then they’d talk for three hours, going back and forth about whether it might be an illegal act or justified in some way…
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vwvParticipant…As for this article and it’s conclusion that this ruling confirms that corporations are entitled to free speech, and that money is free speech–I’d say that is a very divided view along political lines. The vote itself was 5-4 along political lines. I think it’s utter bullshit and yes–I’m no lawyer. But others who are agree with that.
Anyone who does not see the harm being done by money in politics is either willfully ignorant or on board with that agenda..
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First off as I’ve said many times, a trained monkey could be a lawyer. Law School is not hard. You wanna know what’s hard? Nursing school.
Anyway, yeah lawyers all disagree on the Corporate-Personhood and the Santa Clara cases up through and past Citizens United. And yes, it fractures along political lines.
…The powers-that-be have never liked folks who wanted big-change. Gandhi was not a popular man with, as zooey called it, ‘organized wealth’. Gandhi was called naive and infantile and a gazillion other things. Not by poor people, though, for the most part.
“It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer of the type well-known in the East, now posing as a fakir, striding half naked up the steps of the Viceregal palace to parley on equal terms with the representative of the King-Emperor.”
-Comment on Gandhi’s meeting with the British Viceroy of India, addressing the Council of the West Essex Unionist Association (23 February 1931)“Gandhi-ism and everything it stands for will have to be grappled with and crushed”
-Churchill, on the independence movement in India, 1930“For the poor, the economic is spiritual.”
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vwvParticipantDamn. Big differences there, zooey. I know not every Chinese mom
takes that approach, and who knows what the percentages really are,
but thats quite a difference from a lot of WV moms.I guess itz an aspect of this modern-world that we get to learn about
all kinds of approaches. As opposed to just being immersed in one.
And once you’ve seen how many approaches there are….how does one
choose what parental approach to use?I mean, other than forcing the child to be a Rams fan.
That one is a given, i would think.w
vwvParticipantWV,
(Austria just elected a Green. Barely, but still. Why can’t we?)
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Dunno anything about the political history of Austria. I would
speculate wildly that Austria’s people werent harnessed by
forces of religion and corporate-propaganda as much as Americans were.
I guess. I dunno.Religion and Corporate-Power. Put’em together and ya got the End of the World.
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vwvParticipantWaterfield,
Nader didn’t cost Gore the election. That would have been mathematically, physically and, due to the way we structure elections, impossible from an electoral point of view. Presidents win via a cumulative count in the Electoral college. No one state can possibly be “decisive” because of this. You need a lot of states to get to 270. Gore won 20. Bush won 30 and received 271 electoral votes to Gore’s 266. Take any of those 30 states for Gore, leave Florida in Bush’s column, and Gore wins.
It’s akin to saying that a missed field goal, in the last second of the last game of the season, cost some NFL team a chance to get to the playoffs. Wrong. If they had won another game prior to that last one, it wouldn’t have mattered, and if they had scored more points prior to that last-second field-goal attempt, it wouldn’t have mattered, etc. etc.
It’s become an article of faith among too many Democrats, but it’s really nothing more than a copout and a refusal to take responsibility for Gore’s terrible campaign, the lack of turnout among Dems, and the fact that more than 300,000 Democrats in Florida voted for Bush. Nader cost Gore roughly 27,000 likely votes there. If just 564 Democrats had stayed with their own candidate, instead of voting for Bush, Gore wins. And if the ballots hadn’t been so confusing to people in Palm Beach — even Buchanan said he believed at least 95% of his votes should have gone to Gore — Gore wins. And if Gore takes his own state of Tennessee, he wins, etc. etc.
If, if, if. Too many Democrats want to cherry pick just one possible counterfactual among a sea of them, while ignoring 99% of the rest. They need to do some real soul searching, or just let all of that go.
Nader had nothing to do with Bush’s victory. He couldn’t possibly.
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I always thought it was Gore who cost Nader the election 🙂
But people disagree on these things.
This election really is quite interesting. The most interesting
in my lifetime. (to me, anyway)A week ago, i thought Clinton was a shoe-in. Now, I think Trump
really has a good chance. The biosphere loses either way, but its
all pretty interesting.w
vwvParticipantI have no idea where you get she’s a crusher of poor people. To be honest that just sounds to me like some revolutionary, anarchist, unsophisticated and simplistic statement right out of the 60s…
All just to make a statement? Fine -go ahead.
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Yes, i know that’s how your your brain interprets it, W. I know.Voting for Jill Stein — the candidate that best reflects humane, compassionate views — the candidate whose policies would help the poor — is not just ‘making a statement’. My hope would be that leftists abandon the Duplicat Party, and a Trump victory would once and for all fracture the Rich-folks (DNC) hold on the democrat party. The Party might take a look at itself. Might change. Might move to the left. Likely? Maybe not. But there’s a chance. Every other road leads to crushing-the-biosphere.
So, ya know, we see things differently.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantSo who will be doing the radio / tv play by play of Rams games now?
I assume Steve Savard and D’Marco are not going to be
doing it anymore.w
vwvParticipantIt wouldn’t be a Jeff Fisher draft without the addition of a defensive player.
That’s the thing about Fisher. He’s a coach who will draft a defensive player. That’s what really sets him apart from other coaches in the league who get all their defensive players through free agency. It’s takes balls, man.
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He’s a man apart, alright. A rebel with balls. But is he a Holden Caulfield or a Cool Hand Luke?
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vwvParticipantthe only thing about stuck out about forrest was that people said he played better than he tested.
also used to play basketball i think.
but to be honest i’ve barely seen goff play much less forrest.
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They may line him up next to Ogletree.
Might be hard to see Forrest, among the tree.
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vwvParticipantMy wife loves lupini beans, which I to her annoyance call “lumpy peanut beans.”
Speaking just for myself, wv, I am an old “been there done that” kinda guy, and like my old trusty favorites. It took a lifetime to figure out what those were. So you young guys with yer new-fangled postmodern multicultural beans? I wish you the best. You guys climb everest…I am hanging back at the base camp watching re-runs on my phone.
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Yeah, well you know who you remind me of Mr No-new-Beans-For-Me-I-bin-there-and-done-that ?
You remind me of James Earl Jones in Field of Dreams. Back when he was all
cynical and tired and lost.wvParticipantHow are the St.Louis stations gonna handle Rams games now?
I mean, I would think there are still a ton of Ram
fans in St.Louis. Most of the Loo fans just watched the Rams
on tv like the rest of us. A lot of em probly dont care
all that much about where they play. Yes? No?w
vNo. If demand is there they will broadcast in st. Louis. Otherwise the Chiefs games will be shown.
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Well, i know how you feel about Kronky and the move and all,
and i know a lot of hardcore St.Loo fans — mainly the ones who actually went to the games — will tune out the Rams. But is there still a large
contingent of St.Loo fans who would listen to Rams games ?Dont you think a radio station with a talented PR department could still
capture a large number of fans in St.Louis? I mean like i said,
most fans just watch teams on TV and it dont really matter
where the team exists in the physical dimension of space/time.
Yes? No?If i were a St.Loo radio station I’d have a field day lampooning
Kronky but still having fun with the Rams as a football team.w
vwvParticipantI have not heard of it.
Dead Poets Society. A film with Robin Williams. 90% of the humor in this depends upon having seen that film.
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So you liked the DPS ? Cause i remember arguing with zn and RFL about it. RFL just blasted it, as i recall.
I thought it was a nice movie.
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vwvParticipantGood Lord, you people are SAD.
Check out the Wiki site, and take a blood-oath, as well as a Vow
to expand your pathetically small Bean spectrum.Jesus H Crist, there are hyacinth beans, Winged beans, Pigeon Peas, Velvet Beans, Sword Beans, Lupini Bean….
I bet Zooey has tried every bean on that list.
Now, Bean-UP people. Geez.
And as for PA-ram….he needs to be put in a bean re-education camp.
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