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wvParticipantWell gents you’ve all been consistently wrong about Trump from the beginning and I’m happy to say you’re all still in lockstep ignorance now. Trump will win. For some of the very reasons mentioned in this thread, mainly he’s not the establishment. The establishment is doing everything they can to defeat Trump with the media being outrageously one sided in pro-Hildabeast coverage and blatently lying about Trump and then the prominent pledge breaking RINOs defecting to Hildabeast lets even the most brain dead voter see that the establishment has their candidate in Hildabeast. Yet the voters demand change. That change is Trump. I’ve just spent the past few days in rural MO, IL, KY and TN and the amount of support for Trump has been staggering. I’ve never seen so many hand made political signs for a candidate as with Trump. Otherwise vacant billboards, plywood, building walls, sidewalk paint, it has been impressive. Trump will turn out voters in support of him like no other prior republican nominee. Add the impending wikileak revelations and the voters will decide that if the establishment wants Hildabeast then Trump must get their vote if true change is desired. Donald J. Trump is your next President of the United States.
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OK, I’m saving that post. I cut it and pasted it in a folder.The polls all show Trump losing big.
So, we will see in what, three months?
Here’s where you are wrong imho, bnw — You think the undecideds
are as angry at the system as the rightwingers. They are not.
And they are not as white or as male, either.w
vwvParticipantGood stuff.
If a citizen dont know and understand the “n word” then
they done been propagandized.w
vwvParticipanthttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/opinion/trumps-ambiguous-wink-wink-to-second-amendment-people.html
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Yeah but the NYT is about as blatantly pro-Hillary (and Israel) as you can get.
They might as well be writing her speeches.
So naturally they are gonna interpret Trumps remarks
in the worst possible way.I think if you love Hillary you interpret it one way.
If you love Trump you interpret it a different way.
Dunno what the undecideds will do with it, but they are
already scared of Trump so…he’s toast.Btw, has Trump said anything stupid in the last 12 hours?
Has Hillary said anything honest in the last 12 hours?
Just askin.w
vwvParticipantI am keeping the guys who catch the ball. That applies to WRs, TEs, RBs, and the defense.
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Me too. So many of the draft-reports are about 40 times, and speed and
quickness and size and all that — but holding on to the damn ball
is no.1 for me.w
vwvParticipantI dont think he’s deliberately trying to lose. No way.
The 2nd Amendment statement was typical talk-radio-trump. Just spontaneous yacking. I have no idea what he meant by it, and its vague enough so that
people will interpret it however they want.Bottom line is, he is Toast. Republican Party is a complete disaster.
What a shame 🙂I mean, who do they have in that Party that can make a run four years
from now after the disaster of 2016 ?w
vwvParticipantI think Fisher’s teams have been soft on the National Anthem.
Seems to me, DV worked them a lot harder on that.
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vShaw, you mean.
DV was a figurehead.
So to bring it around, yes, Shaw was a better Anthem coach than Kroenke.
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Fine but don’t twist history. Facts are facts. Shaw wouldn’t even have kept his job after the 4-12 season in 98, had DV not met with Martz in the ‘big meeting’ and agreed that Shaw would continue as GM, only,
as long as he hired a new offensive astrologer.w
vwvParticipant“..Wednesday, we have a special teams session. I think, as we get into Thursday…there’s a lot of things we have yet to cover. We have to cover pregame warm-ups, the National Anthem and all those things that we cover before. So those things will take place later in the week. We’ll give them a little bit of a head start on the Cowboys,..”
——–I think Fisher’s teams have been soft on the National Anthem.
Seems to me, DV worked them a lot harder on that.
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vwvParticipantI saw adam Vinatieri’s kick sail wide right.
Thats what i saw, and thats how i remember it.
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vwvParticipant“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.” – Buckminster Fuller
Actually I agree with all that. There will come a time-if we are not already there-where it will become universally recognized that there are too few jobs for the number of people around. The key to the future will be how to address that.
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Yeah, looks like a lot of smart folks are predicting Robots are gonna be replacing a gazillion human-workers in the near-future. So, what’s gonna happen to the poor out-of-work-humans? …I’m hoping they will wake-the-fuck-up and Organize. A fool’s hope 🙂What were you like in the 60’s Waterfield? Were you a hippy or a protester or what?
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vwvParticipantPolicies is a different thread. This is about the horserace. Is he still in it?
The answer is no.
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vWell, uh…in this case “policies” meant “this is the horserace thread right?”
English is nuanced.
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Thats all well-and-good but if you want to discuss Policies
you will have to go to the horse-race thread.I swear. Try and keep up.
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vwvParticipantmost unpopular candidates ever
he doesn’t realize when he makes a stupid gaffe
someone as politically shrewd as Clinton
Although Trump has supporters, I think most of the people in the media don’t like him,
Hillary is awful,
since they decided he was a real threat, the coverage
turned in an obvious way. Same is happening with TrumpPolicies?
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Policies is a different thread. This is about the horserace. Is he still in it?The answer is no.
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vAugust 8, 2016 at 1:27 pm in reply to: Reich vs. Hedges debate as to who should Bernie voters support now, + Chomsky #50397wvParticipantSeveral things. One is her husband. Smart guy and our economy thrived under him. We can’t do a thing for the less fortunate unless we have a stronger economy. Another is her strength in the face of combat. She’s no pushover. I believe she’s sincere in her views on the struggles of those who are poor and sick. I supported her in her run against Obama even though my entire family supported Obama. I think her record as both Senator and Secretary of State was outstanding. I recognize there are issues that if you dislike her you can focus on (i.e. emails, etc) but that’s true of anyone running for office. Does she use political gamesmanship to accomplish stuff. Of course. Is she a “politician” as that word has come to mean over the years-of course. Can she be trusted-I don’t know and I doubt anyone does. Does she grate on my nerves when she speaks. Yes.
But even if I had nothing but negative views on her policies I would vote for her because of who she’s running against. The man is certifiable. I don’t want us to withdraw from the world. I think that is dangerous to all including my grandchildren who must grow up in a world that will be greatly impacted by this election. I do not want his administration picking the next Supreme Court justices.
Anyway I could go on about the pluses and minuses of Hillary along with the comparisons with Trump but I don’t have the time now to do that. Hopefully, that addresses your question.
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Ok. As you know i see her and Bill completely differently. Totally differently.But i’m sick of ‘arguing’ with people 🙂 I dunno about you, but
I’m sick of ‘that’.I’ll vote for Jill, You vote for Hillary, and lets us
continue on our human-paths, into the wonder and mystery of life 🙂w
vAugust 8, 2016 at 7:25 am in reply to: Besides Bernie and Jill, what other progressive candidates are out there? #50393wvParticipantIt doesn’t matter.
This was the window. It is now shut. And the planet is doomed.
Sanders cannot go again. And, in any event, the establishment will be ready next time, and Hillary – sitting presidents just don’t get defeated in their party’s primary. Unless she gets impeached, which isn’t likely. This was the golden opportunity, and it’s gone.
Yeah, unfortunately you are most likely correct. The ember of hope has been stamped out by the size 13 boot of establishment politics – probably for good. The next election cycle will feature the standard mainstream style candidates whose sole purpose is to ensure nothing changes.
Oh well, we still have football…
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Well, I think E.Warren is significantly better than Clinton. Not a Sanders-type, but still, I think she would be an improvement. So, I think thats the ‘best case scenario’, unfortunately.But who knows.
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vwvParticipantBut I think that the entire establishment…which includes people of all stripes…mostly doesn’t want Trump. Although Trump has supporters, I think most of the people in the media don’t like him, and will spin shit against him. He is on an uphill battle in the media. The coverage of him is going to be negative.
So I think Hillary is likely to win with the media’s assistance…
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I think this nails it, imho.
Reminds me a bit of the Ross Perot thing.
The media/establishment kinda got a kick out of him at first
but once they decided he was a real threat, the coverage
turned in an obvious way. Same is happening with Trump.
He has no chance now, other than some big clinton-scandal.
Trump is toast.w
vAugust 7, 2016 at 8:11 pm in reply to: Reich vs. Hedges debate as to who should Bernie voters support now, + Chomsky #50372wvParticipantTo me its simple. You always vote for the lesser of two evils-always-because if you don’t your voting FOR the greater evil-even if you don’t vote at all. Sometimes stuff is just so simple.
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So you are conceding Hillary is indeed a “lesser Evil”
and not a good candidate for the Presidency?w
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vNo. It is a matter of simple logic. Between two individuals there will ALWAYS be one that is less evil just as there will ALWAYS be one that is more angelic. There has to be. Its comparative logic. Between Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela there has to be one who is “less evil”. Between Hitler and Stalin there HAS to be one who is more “good”.
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Just curious, what do you like about Hillary
besides the “experience” thing ?w
vAugust 7, 2016 at 4:44 pm in reply to: Reich vs. Hedges debate as to who should Bernie voters support now, + Chomsky #50363wvParticipantTo me its simple. You always vote for the lesser of two evils-always-because if you don’t your voting FOR the greater evil-even if you don’t vote at all. Sometimes stuff is just so simple.
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So you are conceding Hillary is indeed a “lesser Evil”
and not a good candidate for the Presidency?w
vAugust 7, 2016 at 1:27 pm in reply to: Reich vs. Hedges debate as to who should Bernie voters support now, + Chomsky #50358wvParticipantWell, yeah, thats the argument for voting for LEV.
I dont know that i buy it, but I’m not in a swing-state (wv is about as red as they get) so, I dont really need to agonize over it — Jill gets my vote.
My main problem with the LEV analysis is…i just dont think it’s easy
to measure the differences between Trump and Hillary. I know people disagree
with me on that. But I see Hillary as REALLY REALLY bad. Trump is more of a
wildcard to me. I never know what he’s serious about and when
he’s just being all ‘talk-radio-spontaneous-goofy’.Doesn’t matter to me. I aint in a swing state ; and Hillary
has it won, now.w
vAugust 7, 2016 at 11:40 am in reply to: Besides Bernie and Jill, what other progressive candidates are out there? #50348wvParticipantI have heard-tell that ravens are carrying messages, indicating
that Pa Ram is going to make a run for King of the North.Just rumors at this point, but still.
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vwvParticipantBut to me, a mod is Dudley Do-Rright. As an election issue poster I was channeling some Cartman.
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Though I will post articles about everything. Just not engage in debate. I mean it’s not fair. I always win. So, I should be more restrained.————
wvParticipantIn the real world, I have to deal with enough of that as is. In my social/work world, I am surrounded by both Clinton nazis who don’t get or tolerate dissent, and Sanders nazis who don’t get or tolerate “selling out.” Well a pox on both their houses. In this election, I am both a dissenter and a sell out. Which only means I can’t talk about it with anyone cause they are all diehards. I nod and smile.
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Thats all well and good, but other than W, i cant think of anyone on this
board who would care whether you did the “lesser evil” thing or the “fuck the Duplicats” thing. No-one here has ever called you a sell-out or a dissenter, etc. People have just shared what ‘they’ are gonna do. Thats how ive seen it, anyway. I havent seen anybody trying to ‘persuade’ anybody about how to vote — cept, W. (and we all like W, so even that dont matter)w
vI know. I was just getting in some extra-curricular griping. That wasn’t supposed to be a comment on the posters here. I was suggesting that my real-world demeanor was spilling over, and that in recognition of that, I wasn’t going to get into election discussions. I didn’t “blame” that on anyone but me.
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Ok, but i can tell you I bet no-one on this board
thinks you were being all “MOD-heavy” in any way. This aint got
nuthin to do with Mod or Not-Mod.I get PMS all the time, and I have to take a break from
pol-threads from time to time. So, if you need to take a break for a while, fine,
but there’s no need to make it permanent.I mean dont take any blood oaths or anything. Dont go
and join the Night Watch.w
vwvParticipantJesus made the plants the way they are, Nittany.
Yeah but he didn’t make them productive, flood resistant or pest resistant enough to feed all his children.
Fortunately the devil came along and created GMOs. Thank God.
I think it is weird that the two of you viw man made global warming as the ultimate disaster to mankind when the very food supply for your survival into the next month is truly threatened to become a monopoly of a few corporations. So odd.
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Well, thankyou for noticing that Nittany and Zooey are WEIRD.But, DUH. I mean, really.
I discerned they were weird,
after their first two posts, back in the late 90s.w
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wvParticipantIn the real world, I have to deal with enough of that as is. In my social/work world, I am surrounded by both Clinton nazis who don’t get or tolerate dissent, and Sanders nazis who don’t get or tolerate “selling out.” Well a pox on both their houses. In this election, I am both a dissenter and a sell out. Which only means I can’t talk about it with anyone cause they are all diehards. I nod and smile.
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Thats all well and good, but other than W, i cant think of anyone on this
board who would care whether you did the “lesser evil” thing or the “fuck the Duplicats” thing. No-one here has ever called you a sell-out or a dissenter, etc. People have just shared what ‘they’ are gonna do. Thats how ive seen it, anyway. I havent seen anybody trying to ‘persuade’ anybody about how to vote — cept, W. (and we all like W, so even that dont matter)w
vwvParticipantBesides, I;m cranky.
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I agree ; you are cranky.I dont agree that you should Not participate,
in pol threads.How bout just dont be cranky. 🙂 There. I’ve solved it.
I’ve run circles around you logically.Lets just all lighten up.
I’ve got sunburn all over my body, btw. I look like
an orange.w
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vwvParticipantI think its important to separate two issues:
Monsanto, being one,
and GMO’s being the other.Monsanto is a typical mega-corporate-predator,
that puts profit over people.Whether GMO’s are harmful or not,
is a separate issue.I dunno whether GMO’s are harmful or not.
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vwvParticipantUm, no. I’m not ‘esteeming’ Obama for displaying ‘grace’ and ‘dignity’.
He’s living about the most privileged life a human being can live.Have to disagree with that. There’s missing things in how you put that.
For one, so is Trump (living a privileged life). Notice they do it differently.
And besides that’s not what the guy said anyway. What he said was among them his cool-headed grace under enormous pressure and the profound dignity with which he’s endured racism and pointed us beyond it.
As soon as any of us have endured racism maybe we can judge.
There’s one thing when class gets ignored in analysis. It’s another when we can’t give someone credit just because they’ve acquired wealth.
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Nah, i disagree. What “enormous pressure” is a wealthy President of the USA, under? Enormous pressure is when you aren’t sure you can pay the rent and your kids might get evicted. That is ‘enormous pressure’.You can ‘esteem’ him all you want – I’ll not. 🙂
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vwvParticipantTrump’s Outrageous Attacks Against Father of Slain Muslim Soldier Aren’t Gaffes—It’s How He Talks to His Base
Among Trump supporters, white nationalist sentiment far outstrips allegiance to the U.S. military.Adele M. Stan / AlterNet
…In fact, Jensen said, any backlash against Trump by the political or military establishments will only push his supporters to rally around him in a “cult-like” manner.
In other words, Trump’s attacks on the Khans will only serve to build his brand among those already leaning his way.
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“…..he told George Stephanopoulos on ABC News’ This Week that, hey, he had sacrificed plenty by creating all kinds of jobs and having “tremendous success.”
…Trump, who took three draft deferments during the Vietnam War,….”He’s got an interesting definition of ‘sacrifice’ don’t he.
Anyway, how do you get 3 deferments ?
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vwvParticipantGood stuff. I’m seeing more and more articles by writers who are
waking up to the fact that progress in “identity politix” aint doing
nuthin for the poor.And btw, as for this: “We should esteem Obama for many reasons, among them his cool-headed grace under enormous pressure and the profound dignity with which he’s endured racism and pointed us beyond it. But…”
Um, no. I’m not ‘esteeming’ Obama for displaying ‘grace’ and ‘dignity’.
He’s living about the most privileged life a human being can live. I’d be
very surprised if he couldn’t muster up some ‘grace’ and ‘dignity’.w
vAugust 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm in reply to: Clint Eastwood on the "kiss ass" and "pussy" generation of political correctness #50082wvParticipantC.Eastwood: “…I’d say get to work and start being more understanding of everybody—instead of calling everybody names, start being more understanding.”
What do you think he meant by that?
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vwvParticipanthttps://policy.m4bl.org/economic-justice/?platform=hootsuite
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Something tells me the corporate-media is not covering
any of that substantive policy stuff. Just a guess 🙂w
vwvParticipantWell, i would ‘guess’ technology is certainly a ‘part’ of the reason
jobs are often lost. And some thinkers seem to be saying when the robot-revolution really gets going a TON of jobs are gonna be lost.It will be one of the great issues of our time, i would think.
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