The term itself annoys the hell out of me. Because it confuses people.
I only use it on this board. I never use it outside of this place.
Average-Joe and Average-Jane confuse the word with “liberal”. Which is confusing enuff.

The term I always use is “corporate capitalism”.

Based on my own experience talking to Joe and Jane, the word Corporate-Capitalism
leads to better conversations. Just my opinion.

I havent read the article yet, btw.

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Yes, which leads me to repost my favorite ‘law quote’ for the
gazillionth time. I never tire of reading
btw, what do you think is the core, fundamental, difference tween
right-thinkers and left-thinkers? What is the heart of the ‘difference’ ?

I think of this right / left thing sometimes when i see debates
about Fisher, btw. Sometimes i think the core difference tween righties and lefties has ‘something’ to do with how they view…’context’. I mean is ‘injuries’ an ‘excuse’ or do we look at the context…. I dunno. Just rambling…

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My all too brief and simplistic response to that is the right views the world through a ‘moral absolutist’ lense. Everything falls into a category of either right or wrong, true or false. There’s no gradation between the categories. It’s black or white, period. No room for more than one truth. Whereas a leftist’s views are more nuanced. They recognize an entire spectrum exists between black and white…one shade grading into the other and what shade you see is a matter of perspective. Of course as I said that’s overly simplistic and there is a lot more to it and there are exceptions yada, yada but to me that’s the gist of it.

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I dunno. I think there is something to that, but i dunno.

Sure seems like, above all else, they Blame the Poor.

I just wonder where that comes from.

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Those words don’t mean anything to me either.

Left and Right, Forward and Backward — those are
the words wv-brain can process.

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I only saw the highlights/lowlights at nfl.com. But goff looked impressive
to me. The INT wasn’t on him, and the zinger down the middle was a fine pass.
(the one that was dropped). Mainly though, i liked how he moved in the pocket,
and i liked his delivery. He didnt look out of his element at all. I was encouraged.

Hope he doesn’t get kilt.

And it was my first time seeing Spruce. Looked good against the dallas scrubs.
…Let the comparisons to every white NFL WR, begin.

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waterfield wrote:

wv wrote:

waterfield wrote:

I’ve been invited to the KC preseason game which I think is next week. ..

I was at the last Anaheim game with my son and about 11 other people there. Crickets !

What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

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It dont matter what it means, since it aint gonna happen….There’s more than one way to organize work. Corporate-capitalism is just one way. There’s others. blah blah

Last game at Anaheim, must have been the Washington game, in 94. December 24. Rams went 4-12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Los_Angeles_Rams_season

25,705 in attendance.

Rams lost 24 to 21. Ellard had 81 yards.

What did you think of the move to St.Louis back then? What were your thoughts.

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It was the Redskin game. Of the 25,000 plus there 24,000 were Redskin fans. That was the first game I saw Issac Bruce in person. He was not a starter that season. I recall vividly the last play of the Los Angeles Rams-I think. Chris Miller scrambling around and finally running out of bounds.

The move to St. Louis. Well initially I was devastated since I had worked on the Save the Rams Committee along with Steinberg, etc. But the attendance had really sucked and people were so down on the organization I eventually thought the move to any place would be good. And when I attended the first game I knew they had found a “home”. The streets were filled with all kinds of Ram signs and every restaurant we went into had lots of Ram stuff on the walls, etc. We went back a few times to the Edward Jones site and truly enjoyed St. Louis. A great city with lots of tremendous restaurants and on one trip the biggest blues festival I ever went to. So it was really fun to go to a game where by far most people there were rooting for the Rams Not so in Anaheim. Hopefully things will be different this time here.

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Well do you think Georgia intentionally sabotaged the team/roster
to pave the way for the move? Do you think thats an owners prerogative?

…they should show that last play of the Washington game
during pregame of the first game.

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What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

Not sure I know what a democratized workforce is either, but I have never worked in an environment where the boss makes rules that everyone is required to follow or get fired. A smart boss will ask for input from his/her employees because they are the ones doing the work, they know how it can be done better. Far too many bosses have never done the job of the people they supervise, yet they demand respect.

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In a nutshell, and avoiding pedantic columns of words, it just means…co-ops. Less hierarchy, more worker-control. There’s a gazillion experiments going on all over the globe testing such social-ideas.

http://www.alternet.org/richard-d-wolff-can-we-remake-our-workplaces-be-more-democratic

There’s no ‘one true definition’ of co-ops. Its like ‘anarchism’. No one final definition. Etc. And so forth.

Americans of course have been taught that corporate-hierarchical-workplaces are ‘natural’ and ‘normal’ and the one true holy way. Americans have ‘internalized’ that idea.

Well…there’s other ways. Each approach has pluses and minuses. Some ways might be more ‘efficient’ (the amerikan holy grail) and some ways might be
more….humane.

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waterfield wrote:

I’ve been invited to the KC preseason game which I think is next week. ..

I was at the last Anaheim game with my son and about 11 other people there. Crickets !

What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

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It dont matter what it means, since it aint gonna happen….There’s more than one way to organize work. Corporate-capitalism is just one way. There’s others. blah blah

Last game at Anaheim, must have been the Washington game, in 94. December 24. Rams went 4-12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Los_Angeles_Rams_season

25,705 in attendance.

Rams lost 24 to 21. Ellard had 81 yards.

What did you think of the move to St.Louis back then? What were your thoughts.

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zn wrote:

wv wrote:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/top-10-prehistoric-mammals-that-were-way-cooler-than-di-1703978216

4. Andrewsarchus mongoliensis…eleven-foot-long, 3700 pound wolf-like creature.

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Yeah, that thing is fucking-awesome.

So what killed em all off?

I dunno nuthin about prehistoric-history. They never taught that
in school.

Was it the Nazis? Or a plague? Mass suicide?

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And homo sapiens wiped them out. The bloodbath was incredible, all over the world. Yuval Harari’s book was an eye-opener for me. I didn’t realize how many animals our species made extinct. And this continues today.

Is it considered “genocide” when it’s not human slaughter, but slaughter of animals by humans?

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Well did humans wipe out those big-ole ancient, giant big-toothed Mammals?

I just assumed somethin else happened to em.

Was it humans that hunted-em to death?

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Man, that is almost as old as Waterfield. Imagine that. That shark may have seen Norm Van Brocklin in his prime.

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“…Because radiocarbon dating does not produce exact dates, they believe that she could have been as “young” as 272 or as old as 512. But she was most likely somewhere in the middle, so about 400 years old.

It means she was born between the years of 1501 and 1744, but her most likely date of birth was in the 17th century…”

Well the article didnt address ‘trade pacts’ at all.

It did argue that robots were the future and meaningful, living-wage, human-jobs
are dwindling.

“Today, he says, a new and expensive Dutch-made system can take 20-foot sections of aluminum and churn out a finished rim in about 90 seconds. For that, the company would need only one operator, just to make sure that the machines don’t jam.
“It’s so automated, it’s inspiring,” he said of bike manufacturing today…..”

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90,000 ? Holy shit. That should be a thread all by itself.

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