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wvParticipantthat’s how i imagined the rams running game would be. they are imposing their will on that jags defense right now.
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I guess we can all mostly agree the running game has been the big disappointment so far. Seems to be a bit of a mystery.
The season hinges on Fisher fixin it over the break, i would think.
If he dont fix it, the rams dont win, and he might not be back. I mean five losing seasons in a row ? I dont think I’d bring him back.
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vwvParticipantThats what i noticed to, and i think we all did — the accurate throws under duress. It looked
pretty special to me.Yes. And there was SOME of that in the pre-season too. Then, though, it was more the kind of throws. He made some throws that had me going “whoa” the instant I saw them, live in real time.
So, even in the pre-season. If you sort through all the “not ready freddy” stuff Goff was doing and focus in on some of his better plays, you see some great throws. Just the combination of elements that made them unique. Quick release, zip, accuracy, precision…like (IMO) the TD to Britt against the Vikes
which is at 2:35 in on this vid
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Agreed.
I just think a LOT of long-suffering-totally-frustrated ram-fans
are desperate to see some sort of ‘light’ for the future.
So they want to see the 21year-old Goff NOW.Course there are some long-suffering-totally-frustrated- ram-fans with PTSD who
‘already’ think Goff is a Bust. 🙂Itz hard to see clearly when the Rams keep losing year after year after year, after year, after year, after year, after year. I forget how many years its been, so I’ll stop at seven.
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vwvParticipant“I put the tape on and watched Goff play in college, and I was mesmerized,” Martz said. “He made some throws that only really elite players can make under duress. To me that’s the difference that can make a great player, what they do under duress. Just the skill level to make a throw off-balance, and then knowing you’re just going to get your butt kicked. That’s what Kurt did.”
Thats what i noticed to, and i think we all did — the accurate throws under duress. It looked
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vwvParticipantif the defense holds up they can win at least 8 of those games…the 9th being new england
They can, but I don’t think there is any reason to think they will.
They can also lose 8 of those games.
I’m going out on a limb with a prediction of 5-4 the rest of the way.
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I just take’em one game at a time, myself.
Yall need to learn yer football cliches better.
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vwvParticipantTexas.
The state that couldn’t be bothered to inform blacks that they were no longer slaves.
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Is that true?
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“…The TRIPS case study I think its a very important study in how a trade negotiation fails citizens. Because it was conducted in secrecy. Consumers werent present but even more importantly it was drafted by the corporations themselves because corporations have a lot of technical expertise. That have patent attorneys. They have intellectual property lawyers that are advising them. And so they were actually able to draft clauses, in fact, there was an entire draft agreement that was tabled by the Intellectual Property Committee before negotiators in the late 1980s. And essentially multinationals from Japan and from Europe and from the United States said to world governments this is what we want.So its not just a case of simple lobbying. Its a very sophisticated form of global networking in which actual text produced to influence what are ultimately public laws. So the idea that private power drafts laws that we all have to abide by is something that should worry people in democracies.
FRIES: Youve written extensively that a corporate elite has played the knowledge game for over a century but wanted to change the rules of the game several decades back. And that the appointment of Edmund Pratt to Pfizer as CEO in the 1970s was a key event in making it happen. Talk about that.
DRAHOS: Well I think the Pfizer story is a really interesting story about how one can change the world. How individuals can change the world. So we often talk about globalization as this abstract thing but what we dont realize is that individuals have important ideas. Now in the case of Pfizer & Edmund Pratt as well as the consultants that he hired or that gave him advise their big idea was to stick intellectual property into trade agreements. Its a simple but very, very powerful idea. So the whole significance of this story in a way lies in the fact that individuals change the rules of the game. Globalization is not just an abstract force. People make our world and they make it in response to certain values or goals that they have.
FRIES: Talk about the key players and their agenda.
DRAHOS: The key players were the pharmaceutical industry because they were amongst the first companies to internationalize. They saw the possibility of markets in poorer countries like India & China. But aside from pharmaceutical companies there were also telecommunications companies or what we now broadly understand to be information technology companies because they could see the importance of global markets. Agricultural companies, companies that related in farm related activities like Monsanto. But as well automotive and manufacturing companies such as General Electric. Companies that essentially took out a lot of patents. And of course, then there were the cultural industries. So the movie industry for example where obviously the United States had a lot of important interests because of its very strong motion picture industry.
So there were a range of industries that came to understand that they would do better if they could strengthen their monopolies. Its not that they didnt already have intellectual property rights. They did. But what they wanted was to strengthen them far more. They essentially wanted to turn knowledge which is a public good into a private good. Its a kind of simple but powerful idea.
A way to think about it is say look knowledge is inherently a public good. Knowledge basically just diffuses throughout the world. It has for most of human history. The reason we have the equality in the world that we do is because knowledge has moved around. People have learned how to do things from other people.
So TRIPS was really about eliminating competitors. So for example, the Indian generic industry was able to manufacture high quality products that people all around the world benefited from. So the idea that the US pharmaceutical industry had was that it could use TRIPS to impose product patents on Indian pharmaceutical manufacturers. The motion picture industry saw a way of strengthening copyright. And very importantly the big advantage of sticking intellectual property rights into a trade agreement was that the GATT or the WTO as we now know it had an enforcement mechanism. So that you basically had a means of enforcing these rights if countries did not comply with the standards. That was the real power behind the idea. That you basically could retaliate against countries using your trade defense tools. Whatever they happen to be.
FRIES: So US corporate leaders were the key players?
wvParticipantMaybe Fisher planted that newstory about Goff ‘not’ being ready,
because he secretly planned all along on starting him versus Carolina.Or maybe he double-secretly planted that newstory so that Carolina would
think that he planted the story, but really intends to start Goff — only Fisher
really intends to start Keenum.Or maybe he triple-secretly didnt plant the story, but intends to start Mannion.
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vwvParticipant“TRIPS is probably the most significant agreement of the 20th Century”
(TRIPS = Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, a World Trade Organization agreement)
wvParticipantSpiders probly wont be carrying shellfish up the side of refrigerators too much longer.
NewZ-land:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/science/news/article.cfm?c_id=82&objectid=11735485
Climate change: Scientists seek to find the ‘tipping point’ of ocean acidification around NZ
“…Ocean acidification, often receiving less public attention than other major climate change impacts like sea level rise and violent storms, is increasingly concerning scientists because of the global threat it poses to coral communities and shellfish aquaculture.
It’s driven by increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which is absorbed by oceans and causes pH levels to drop and waters to become more acidic.
Scientists are particularly worried about the survival of organisms that have shells composed of calcium carbonate, ranging from corals to shellfish, as it becomes more difficult to grow and maintain in a more acidic ocean.
In a new study, the first of its kind in the world, New Zealand researchers will test how microbes in near-shore sediments respond to pH levels simulated to reflect those projected in 50 years’ time….” see link
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vOctober 26, 2016 at 8:03 pm in reply to: Politicians aside: Democrats and Republicans are far apart in worldviews. #56142wvParticipant
wvParticipantHillarys lead is even bigger in the polls now. AP poll has her up 14 points now.
Saw this quote, btw:
“…Donald Trump has spent his entire campaign running against the groups he needs to expand his coalition,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster who advised Florida Sen. Marco Rubio’s failed presidential campaign. Ayres called Trump’s campaign “strategically mindless….
…In North Carolina, a must-win state for Trump, Democrats lead Republicans in early ballots, 47 percent to 29 percent…
….In Florida, a perennial battleground, Democrats have drawn even to Republicans in votes cast, reaching that milestone faster than in 2012. Traditionally, Republicans do well initially with mail-in ballots. But Democrats were able to keep it close, putting Clinton in position to run up the score during in-person voting.Clinton also appears to hold an edge in Nevada and Colorado based on early returns. David Flaherty, a Republican pollster based in Colorado, said the data signal “a Democrat wave in the making.”
Buoyed by support from white voters, Trump looks strong in Ohio, Iowa and Georgia, a Republican state where Clinton is trying to make inroads. But wins in those states would still leave him well short of the required 270 Electoral College votes…”
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vOctober 26, 2016 at 6:11 pm in reply to: Fisher responds to Jason Cole report that "Goff is a long way away" #56136wvParticipantSo he didn’t call it “a lot” absurd, or go the extra mile and call it “bigly absurd?”
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Good catch, zooey. He didnt call it Bigly Absurd. He also didnt demand a duel, or pistols at dawn.
Pretty clear to me Goff is a bust, and Fisher needs to win eleven in a row.
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vwvParticipantI was for trading down and taking Namath.
I hear he’s got leadership qualities, and he gets better looking everyday.
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vwvParticipantOctober 26, 2016 at 4:15 pm in reply to: Ellard: Maybe this is why my HOF candidacy has stalled #56127wvParticipantIf he’s 14th he should get in.
Course, I think Aaron Cox should get in.
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vwvParticipantI’m not worried about Goff yet. How is he supposed to ‘lead’ or show leadership
when he’s having so much trouble learning the system, etc.At some point in the future, the Rams will have a good QB. I truly believe that.
It probably wont happen in our lifetimes, but still.
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vOctober 26, 2016 at 3:49 pm in reply to: informal poll: will the Rams win or lose during bye week? #56122wvParticipantI dunno about the bye, but i guarantee the Rams are gonna win two in a row,
starting with the Panthers. And they are gonna leap past 7-9-BS,
and begin playing 8-8-BS.Call me a crazy optimist. I’m tellin ya. WE are seeing the beginning stages of
a 5-4 football team.w
vwvParticipantPart of being a game manager is limiting mistakes…he has to be better with his decision making IMO.
I still look at all the games this year and they have been in every one of them except the niner game…this team is close and still not firing on all cylinders…tells me they are underperforming.
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Well said.I’d also add, that ‘because’ they are not firing on all cylinders and underperforming,
there is hope. Cause those things can change.w
vwvParticipantWell i saw a utube clip that showed who Negan kilt.
Damn.
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vwvParticipantSarah Silverman on ‘arrogant ignorance’
October 25, 2016 at 10:34 am in reply to: Fred Roggin of NBC says Fisher has four games to prove himself… #56058wvParticipantAll i know is, it is unique — I mean that literally — unique — that we have a situation where an NFL coach has had four losing seasons in a row, and now has a losing record in his fifth season, and there is talk of “extending” his contract.
Anybody ever remember anything like that before in the NFL ?
I dont.
In a weird way it gives me a perverse little inner smile. I dunno why.
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vwvParticipantI think zooey’s original post was great. Great questions and commentary.
Personally, i dont have it all figured out. It seems there’s a different problem every week.
One week the D plays well but the O falters. Another week the O looks great and the D gives up too much. There have been times the running game actually worked, btw — in the first half at Detroit it was working.I guess its a lot of things.
Out of syncness at times. Probly due to offensive changes.
Playing a quality back-up QB.
Quinn, Brockers and Hayes playing hurt or not playing at all (think about that one, long and hard),
Tru being out cost them big in at least one and maybe two games.
The Mystery of this OLine — who is GRob? Why cant they runblock anymore?
The Move also probably affected them in that first game, at least.
Flat-out Personnel weaknesses — Tavon’s weaknesses (bad hands) cost them big-time in the Giant game. Quick will never be Jerry Rice. Britt is up and down.And then there’s Jeff Fisher. Its year five. What do we make of him and his coaching this year? I dunno.
They could easily be 5-2 this year if you subtract a pick6 here and a penalty there, etc.
But, ya know, we say that every year.One peculiar aspect of all this is — this is not the team of the future. Whatever we say about this team, wont be true next year, cause this is the year of Keenum. And next year is the year of Goff. This is just an odd year, a transition year.
They can still be a lowlevel playoff team if they eliminate one or two dum plays per game, and if Quinn, Brockers, Hayes get healthy, and Tru comes back. They can still do it.
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vwvParticipantJeezus, people — this is pumpkin pie time. Halloween is Pumpkin pie time.
Thanksgiving is Apple pie time.
You people are out of sync.
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vwvParticipantThis team got shut out by the 49ers. The 1-6 49ers.
Let that one sink in, folks.
That alone is a big reason Fisher hasn’t signed the extension.
As for yesterday, what a frustrating game. Same old shit. Penalties, AWOL running game. Shaky game management.
Once again, defeat at the hands of an inferior opponent.
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It sucked alright. The last three games have been ugly, for sure.
But they are a play or two away from being 5-2. Ya know. A pick6 here, a tipped ball there.
So, maybe there is still some hope for this miserable situation. Maybe.
Nine more games. Carolina is a must win. They have two weeks to prepare. Fisher has a way of jerking us around, as his teams lurch back and forth. Maybe this time they lurch a little bit more in the Win column. We’ll see.
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wvParticipantWow, that was clever in I don’t know how many ways.
Exactly. I was expecting it to go in a different direction.
Instead it went in a “we are all in this together” direction.
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vwvParticipantI’m going to be very blunt here, and I don’t mean to offend anyone. It’s just my 2 cents.
Along with thinking that firing Fisher would be a mistake…
…I know this is just me and I won’t fight about it and campaign and so on, but I have found over the years that “which coach to hire” discussions among fans on the net are pretty much useless. No one knows enough to offer anything more than superficial and/or quirky ideas. The ones who insist they know more are invariably no better than people who just wing it for the sake of conversation.
In fact if we all put up our old “who to hire” posts from years past again, it would make for good comic relief. With no exceptions. The same goes with the talking heads and sports writers we get our info on this from. I doubt there is a single journalist out there with a credible “hit” record when it comes to guessing who would make a consistent winning head coach.
Don’t take that personally. It’s just that no one is in a position to know enough, and even those who are in the league and in a position to know enough get it wrong far more often than not.
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Well I think almost all of us agree about all that.This is just a lite and silly thread.
So get with it.
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vwvParticipantThat was very good.
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vwvParticipantDV with Martz as OC.
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vwvParticipantDid i just hear Randy Moss talking about the proper way to
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vwvParticipantIf your players that have been together a while now are still not communicating properly in the 7th game don’t point at them, either coach them up or get rid of them and bring in teachable players put your fucking finger away.
When he said that about the receivers, he was standing up for Keenum. That’s all that was.
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Zack let me ask you something — if Fisher goes 7 and 9 this year, with Keenum,
would you consider firing him at the end of the year? (If you had the power)w
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