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  • in reply to: Bernie speaks #56432
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    Citigroup picks Obama’s cabinet. What a shock.
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    link:http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/photo_of_the_week_president_who_let_citigroup_20161029

    …“You have a chance to shape history,” President Obama told a crowd of 9,000 people at a campaign stop for Hillary Clinton in Orlando, Fla., on Friday. “Hillary needs your help. I need your help. America needs your help. Let’s get to work.”

    Two weeks earlier WikiLeaks revealed how the Clinton/Obama-led corporate wing of the Democratic Party works. An email sent in October 2008 and hacked from the personal account of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta showed Citigroup executive Michael Froman submitting names for dozens of positions in then-candidate Obama’s anticipated presidential Cabinet.

    “The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money,” wrote David Dayen of the New Republic about the leaked message. “It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more.”

    “For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.”

    Geithner ended up as Obama’s treasury secretary, while Summers was a key author of the response to the 2008 recession as director of Obama’s National Economic Council. And these men ensured that Froman’s Citigroup continued to benefit from the largest bailout the federal government gave during the financial crisis… see link

    in reply to: WV: "foulest cesspool of human misery this side of hell #56420
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    “climate science”

    Is that what they’re calling it now?
    Let’s see, from
    global warming to
    man made global warming to
    climate change to
    climate science.

    Won’t they ever learn the more the unadulterated (not fraudulent) data disproves their claims renaming the nonexistent problem again and again doesn’t fool anyone. People in Appalachia and throughout this nation are smarter than given credit for by the inquisitive carpetbagger film maker or so called journalist making their every couple decades or so excursion into flyover land.

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    I believe in man-made climate change, bnw,
    (but it took me a while to elminate my own doubts)
    you dont believe in it. People disagree on things. Ah well. 🙂

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    in reply to: How Wolves Change Rivers #56411
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    What about vampires? How do they help the environment?

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    Every thread cant be about Hillary and Trump,
    Jack.

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    in reply to: Interesting discussion on Democracy Now! about Trump #56400
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    one man’s view of Hillary (and trump)

    in reply to: where does the offense rank, last 3 games #56397
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    And the obvious problems remain.
    No running game,
    up and down defense.

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    Yeah, No Running game,
    Inconsistent D, and
    Huge Turnovers (pick6’s)

    So what’s the cause of each one of those,
    and are any or all of them fixable ?

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    in reply to: Lessons in liberation: the top 10 books of radical history #56389
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    I love them there kindof lists.
    If u find anymore, post’em.

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    in reply to: Panthers 14, Cards 0 at the end of the 1st quarter #56388
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    It has been a very good bye week for the Rams.

    Give Fisher credit.

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    Looks like the whole division may be playing 7-9-Bullshit,
    right now.

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    I dunno. Could be all true, but somethin smells funny about it.

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    in reply to: Cornell West on Dorothy Day #56342
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    if nothin else listen to a few mins starting at 43 min mark

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    in reply to: Chomsky on Syria, Clinton, Obama #56321
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    Two old lefty warriors, Noam and Ralph, converse. Maybe for the last time.

    in reply to: Rams Getting Healthier #56320
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    I think the Rams are too healthy.

    They need the starting QB to go out with an ACL or somethin.

    Where’s the ACL injuries when ya need one?

    …yes, I’m damned to Hell. I know this.

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    “As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.”
    Proverbs (715-686 BCE)

    in reply to: The Canary #56318
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    Just a photo.

    in reply to: Grifters-in-Chief #56315
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    What will you say when Trump wins?

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    I would just say
    i was wrong.

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    No self reflection as to why?

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    Um, what about
    you? If Trump loses what will
    you say and what will you reflect on?

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    in reply to: Grifters-in-Chief #56302
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    in reply to: Grifters-in-Chief #56301
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    What will you say when Trump wins?

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    I would just say
    i was wrong.

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    in reply to: Seattle Times (guaranteed to raise a smile) #56296
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    I didnt realize Seattle was fourth in the league on offense that year. I just figured Seattle must have sucked that year. But no.

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    in reply to: Kroenke in bad news human interest story #56294
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    In wv-world, no single human would ever be allowed to ‘own’ 500,000 acres of this planet.

    I could go on from there and rant about all the specific details of Kronky’s madness, but
    I’ll just repeat — No human should be able to own 500,000 acres of this small planet.

    I blame the system.

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    in reply to: tennessee running game #56288
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    I agree, this team isn’t a disaster but they are a bit of a disappointment.

    With the exception of the niner game they have had a chance to win every game 3-3 is the result.

    Shoddy O-line, lack of sacks, inconsistent corner play due to injuries, lack of a running game, penalties, and critical mistakes at the worst time…other than that they’re doing great. Really, in spite of all that they are in contention week in and week out.

    Makes you think if they can start to put it together they can be a pretty good team.

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    Yeah, thats how i see it too. I dunno ‘if’ they can put it together, but damn, if they just make, say, TWO fewer bonehead plays a game, they will win more games than they lose.

    Its a coaching challenge right now. Can Fisher figure things out ? Push the right buttons? Tweak things just enough?

    We’ll see.

    The pressure is on. This team is not out of it yet. In Year Five.

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    in reply to: Chomsky on Syria, Clinton, Obama #56285
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    audio at the link
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    link:http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/#.WBOP6mO8ojs.twitter

    2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election
    Unearthed tape: ‘We should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win’

    By Ken Kurson • 10/28/16 1:00pm

    On September 5, 2006, Eli Chomsky was an editor and staff writer for the Jewish Press, and Hillary Clinton was running for a shoo-in re-election as a U.S. senator. Her trip making the rounds of editorial boards brought her to Brooklyn to meet the editorial board of the Jewish Press.

    The tape was never released and has only been heard by the small handful of Jewish Press staffers in the room. According to Chomsky, his old-school audiocassette is the only existent copy and no one has heard it since 2006, until today when he played it for the Observer.

    The tape is 45 minutes and contains much that is no longer relevant, such as analysis of the re-election battle that Sen. Joe Lieberman was then facing in Connecticut. But a seemingly throwaway remark about elections in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority has taken on new relevance amid persistent accusations in the presidential campaign by Clinton’s Republican opponent Donald Trump that the current election is “rigged.”

    Speaking to the Jewish Press about the January 25, 2006, election for the second Palestinian Legislative Council (the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority), Clinton weighed in about the result, which was a resounding victory for Hamas (74 seats) over the U.S.-preferred Fatah (45 seats).

    “I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake,” said Sen. Clinton. “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”
    Chomsky recalls being taken aback that “anyone could support the idea—offered by a national political leader, no less—that the U.S. should be in the business of fixing foreign elections.”

    Some eyebrows were also raised when then-Senator Clinton appeared to make a questionable moral equivalency.
    Eli Chomsky participated in an interview with Hillary Clinton at the Jewish Press in 2006.

    Eli Chomsky, photographed today at the Observer offices, participated in an interview with Hillary Clinton at the Jewish Press in 2006. – Observer

    Regarding capturing combatants in war—the June capture of IDF soldier Gilad Shalit by Hamas militants who came across the Gaza border via an underground tunnel was very much front of mind—Clinton can be heard on the tape saying, “And then, when, you know, Hamas, you know, sent the terrorists, you know, through the tunnel into Israel that killed and captured, you know, kidnapped the young Israeli soldier, you know, there’s a sense of like, one-upsmanship, and in these cultures of, you know, well, if they captured a soldier, we’ve got to capture a soldier.”

    Equating Hamas, which to this day remains on the State Department’s official list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, with the armed forces of a close American ally was not what many expected to hear in the Jewish Press editorial offices, which were then at Third Avenue and Third Street in Brooklyn. (The paper’s office has since moved to the Boro Park section of Brooklyn.) The use of the phrase “these cultures” is also a bit of a head-scratcher.

    According to Chomsky, Clinton was “gracious, personable and pleasant throughout” the interview, taking about an hour to speak to, in addition to himself, managing editor Jerry Greenwald, assistant to the publisher Naomi Klass Mauer, counsel Dennis Rapps and senior editor Jason Maoz.

    Another part of the tape highlights something that was relatively uncontroversial at the time but has taken on new meaning in light of the current campaign—speaking to leaders with whom our country is not on the best terms. Clinton has presented a very tough front in discussing Russia, for example, accusing Trump of unseemly ardor for strongman Vladimir Putin and mocking his oft-stated prediction that as president he’d “get along” with Putin.

    Chomsky is heard on the tape asking Clinton what now seems like a prescient question about Syria, given the disaster unfolding there and its looming threat to drag the U.S., Iran and Russia into confrontation.

    “Do you think it’s worth talking to Syria—both from the U.S. point [of view] and Israel’s point [of view]?”

    Clinton replied, “You know, I’m pretty much of the mind that I don’t see what it hurts to talk to people. As long as you’re not stupid and giving things away. I mean, we talked to the Soviet Union for 40 years. They invaded Hungary, they invaded Czechoslovakia, they persecuted the Jews, they invaded Afghanistan, they destabilized governments, they put missiles 90 miles from our shores, we never stopped talking to them,” an answer that reflects her mastery of the facts but also reflects a willingness to talk to Russia that sounds more like Trump 2016 than Clinton 2016.
    This is how news used to be collected.

    This is how news used to be collected. – Observer

    Shortly after, she said, “But if you say, ‘they’re evil, we’re good, [and] we’re never dealing with them,’ I think you give up a lot of the tools that you need to have in order to defeat them…So I would like to talk to you [the enemy] because I want to know more about you. Because if I want to defeat you, I’ve got to know something more about you. I need different tools to use in my campaign against you. That’s my take on it.”

    A final bit of interest to the current campaign involves an articulation of phrases that Trump has accused Clinton of being reluctant to use. Discussing the need for a response to terrorism, Clinton said, “I think you can make the case that whether you call it ‘Islamic terrorism’ or ‘Islamo-fascism,’ whatever the label is we’re going to give to this phenomenon, it’s a threat. It’s a global threat. To Europe, to Israel, to the United States…Therefore we need a global response. It’s a global threat and it needs a global response. That can be the, sort of, statement of principle…So I think sometimes having the global vision is a help as long as you realize that underneath that global vision there’s a lot of variety and differentiation that has to go on.”

    It’s not clear what she means by a global vision with variety and differentiation, but what’s quite clear is that the then-senator, just five years after her state was the epicenter of the September 11 attacks, was comfortable deploying the phrase “Islamic terrorism” and the even more strident “Islamo-fascism,” at least when meeting with the editorial board of a Jewish newspaper.

    In an interview before the Observer heard the tape, Chomsky told the Observer that Clinton made some “odd and controversial comments” on the tape. The irony of a decade-old recording emerging to feature a candidate making comments that are suddenly relevant to voters today was not lost on Chomsky, who wrote the original story at the time. Oddly enough, that story, headlined “Hillary Clinton on Israel, Iraq and Terror,” is no longer available on jewishpress.com and even a short summary published on the Free Republic offers a broken link that can no longer surface the story.

    “I went to my bosses at the time,” Chomsky told the Observer. “The Jewish Press had this mindset that they would not want to say anything offensive about anybody—even a direct quote from anyone—in a position of influence because they might need them down the road. My bosses didn’t think it was newsworthy at the time. I was convinced that it was and I held onto it all these years.”

    Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, publisher of Observer Media.

    in reply to: Pilger on the situation #56283
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    To shorten this up considerably: How is Trump going to “threaten” the Deep state, etc. etc.? Slash their taxes, massively increase the defense budget, and kill a ton of business/corporate regulations?

    If he wins, they win too.

    (Same goes with Clinton, of course. They win. We lose either way.)

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    Well, I dunno. I tend to agree that Trump would probably fall in line and do prettymuch
    what your typical Republican would do, and yeah, i dont think he’d really threaten the powers-that-be, but otoh, he is a bit of a wildcard and a maverick and he might
    very well make some of the system-mainstreamers uneasy.

    But he’s lost it, so it dont matter 🙂

    Four years of Hillary. Maybe eight.

    I’ll be interested to see if the Dems pick up a lot of seats elsewhere.

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    in reply to: tennessee running game #56280
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    yeah. i can forgive the defensive performance. they’ve struggled with injuries. but no excuse for the run game. they have a blue chip running back. the offensive line has been healthy.

    no excuse for it.

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    Its disappointing for sure.

    We are gonna see what these coaches can do with two weeks
    of film time and study time. Maybe they can figure somethin out.

    I aint ready to call it a lost season yet, cause they were two plays from
    being 5-2. Ya know. This isnt a total-disaster-of-a-team.

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    in reply to: fabric of the future, stores energy #56269
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    Some of us lost this month’s access to the LA Times.

    Is there anyone who still has access and can copy that article and post it here?

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    Ahh. “lost access” have you.

    So you’ve been banned again. Did you call the editors Bozos?

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    in reply to: A presidency from hell? #56261
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    More BS from Comey. He’s trying to stave off a revolt within the FBI. They knew all of this before. Immunity has been granted to all the major conspirators so it isn’t going anywhere until Trump is elected. Of course it is again released on a friday afternoon.

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    It would not surprise me in the least if there were factions in the FBI that wanted Hillary prosecuted, and if there were factions in the FBI that didnt want her prosecuted.
    I would imagine those factions break down prettymuch along ‘party lines’.

    I dont think the FBI is above the usual party-politix-stuff. In fact from everything I’ve read they are just like every other organization as far as politics.

    Now if Hillary took a gun and murdered someone, then i think all factions in the FBI would want her prosecuted — but this kind of ‘gray area’ stuff — it will always break down according to political views, imho.

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    in reply to: Grifters-in-Chief #56260
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    I have never believed the polls. Donald J. Trump is your next president.

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    I dont think so. Not unless the FBI arrests her.

    Now, when Trump loses are you gonna say you were wrong,
    or are you gonna say “the election was stolen” ?

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    in reply to: Practice reports on Goff taking reps #56259
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    See I know what all this means.

    Kroenke forced Fisher to take Goff because Kroenke knew all of the following: Fisher will not start Goff until late in the season and then will claim that because they are winning with a rookie qb Kroenke can’t fire him.

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    Ok, but what if Kroenke is a bust? What then?

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    in reply to: Grifters-in-Chief #56256
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    You are hilarious. Did Trump sell Putin 20% of the US uranium resource? How about pay to play as Sec. of State? Email scandal reopened. You compare Hildabeast to Trump, hilarious.

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    Now bnw — you dont still think Trump is gonna win do ya? He’s behind in every poll
    by a lot.

    Prezident Hillary. Its done. For better or worse, she’s your Commander in Chief.

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    in reply to: A presidency from hell? #56252
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    So true.
    I found it interesting how you spelled “PreZidency.”
    Did you ever read comic books?
    Do you remember “Prez” by DC Comics?

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    Well i ‘do’ like to miss-spell thingz. I dunno why, but i enjoy it. Is there a word for people who get pleasure out of misspelling wordz ?

    I am giving away comic books for Halloween, probly. I was given a big box of em, so i bin goin thru them and trying to find ones that dont have graphic sex and general nakedness. Course the violence and carnage dont seem to bother parents none.

    I’ve never seen ‘Prez’ though.

    So where do you think this human civilization will be in fifty years, NM ?

    …Seems ta me, if you are gonna have a singularity that expands 14 billion years ago, and life-beings start evolving from
    primordial ooze, up through one-celled-life-beings, up through chickens, and trilobytes, and mammoths, and then through ape-stages until you get to the talking-monkey stage — there’s bound to be trouble.
    So, i blame the big-bang.

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    in reply to: A presidency from hell? #56247
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    Well Buchannon is half-right — He’s right about Hillary being a Weasel.

    He’s wrong about Trump — Trump is a weasel too.

    So, yes, it will be a Prezidency from Hell — either way.

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    I haven’t followed any of what went on, or the trial, but i heard a snippet about it on NPR. The reporter hinted at some things that made me think the prosecutor just mischarged them. It could be when the jury looked at what happened and tried to match it to the actual charge (conspiracy i think) the facts didnt quite add up to the charge. In other words they probly shoulda been charged with something ELSE, and not what they were on trial for.

    NPR said they arrested Bundy’s lawyer as well, for being obstreperous in the courtroom or somethin.

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    in reply to: Some numbers #56234
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    We’ve already seen half of it go since 1970.

    Humans really were given “paradise” and have proceeded to fuck it up almost beyond recognition.

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    I blame Fisher.

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