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wvParticipantNow here’s a list of fake news sites or russian propaganda sites, according to one group.
Look who’s on the list — Truthout, truthdig….
Them two sites are great sites, imho.
wvParticipantThere’s competing memes going on about the ‘fake news’ issue.
Looks like the American pro-corporate MSM is pushing the “Hillary lost cause of fake news” meme.
And the PUtin-friendly Media is pushing the “American corporate media has always been propaganda and thus ‘fake’.Its not easy to sort through all the ‘interests’ involved
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fake news battles:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45914.htmBy Finian Cunningham
November 24, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – “Sputnik” – You really know that masses of people are living within a mind-control matrix when the greatest, most pervasive purveyors of fake news denounce others for the practice.
And yet they do so without the slightest hint of awareness about their own monstrous hypocrisy.
“Fake news” has become a hot issue following the surprise US election victory of maverick business tycoon Donald Trump. Supposedly serious Western media outlets have highlighted the spread of hoax stories purporting to be news reports as having swayed the presidential race in Trump’s favor against his rival, Democrat career politician Hillary Clinton.
One such hoax “report” was that Pope Francis had allegedly given his blessing to Trump just before the November 8 poll, which presumably prompted some American Catholics on board the Republican’s election ticket.
No doubt, the internet is a plentiful source of false rumor and other bizarre, tall stories.
But now, it seems, Western corporate media giants are calling for Facebook and other social networking sites to weed out “fake news”. Given how wrong the US media called the election and also their rabid bias against Trump, the hunt for a scapegoat is understandable.
US media mogul Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook’s CEO, seems ready to comply with demands to provide a team of censors against the spread of fictive reports. Even though, he claims that the vast majority of news links on his worldwide network are to genuine, factual content.
This is setting a sinister precedent for abusive, systematic censorship. Unfortunately, control of global information is prone to subjective Western cultural and political bias. Already we see how it is Western media outlets who are making an issue over “fake news” and it is Western-based internet companies like Facebook and Google who are taking on the mantle of filtering out content.
It is not hard, therefore, to imagine how this train of thought could be applied eventually to non-Western news services that supply information critical of Western government interests an conduct.
Take, for example, the war in Syria. Russian news media have provided many important, documented reports and analyses on how Washington and its Western allies are systematically colluding with jihadi terror groups to prosecute a covert, criminal war for regime change against the elected government of Syria.
By contrast, the Western corporate media have rarely if ever given any coverage to such verifiable violations by their governments in Syria. Or in any other recent conflict for that matter, such as in Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Georgia.
Of course, this is because Western media outlets are part of the ideological, propaganda matrix that serves to conceal the crimes of Western governments, which, in turn, serve to facilitate the strategic interests of Western corporations.
Western so-called news services do on occasion publish outright fake news, such as when Iraq was accused of possessing weapons of mass destruction in the run-up to the US-led war in 2003. But far more often, the informational fare is less crudely fabricated and more subtly finessed with distortions and omissions of crucial facts and context. Still, that is tantamount to fake news, no less.
This week, Western newspapers and TV channels were reporting on how Russia was “destabilizing European security” by installing Iskander missiles and the S-400 defense system in its territory of Kaliningrad – the exclave between Lithuania and Poland.
The supposedly august London Times headlined its report thus: “Putin moves his missiles in new threat to Europe”.
The foreboding tone is typical of the constant flow of Western media reports over many months alleging that Russian warships and warplanes are menacing European territories. From Britain’s Daily Mail to America’s New York Times we have been told since at least last year that Russian troops were about to invade the Baltic states.
No matter that Moscow, including President Vladimir Putin and his top diplomat Sergei Lavrov, has repeatedly dismissed the allegations of Russian aggression. Undeterred, the Western “news stories” just keep being churned out as if by a manic conveyor belt.
As always, this week’s Western Russian-scare episode was spun and disseminated without the appropriate, crucial context.
The installation of missiles on Russia’s western-most territory comes after the US-led NATO military alliance announced plans last month to greatly escalate troops on Russia’s border. The Kaliningrad move also follows the deployment of US missile systems in Romania earlier this year.
Evidently, Russia’s latest military measures are in response to US and NATO offensive steps, or as Putin told American film director Oliver Stone in an interview aired this week, the Russian moves are “counter-measures”.
Washington and its NATO allies justify their reckless escalation on Russia’s borders as “defensive response” to alleged Russian intervention in Ukraine in 2014 and Georgia in 2008. But such Western claims are easily disputable, indeed rendered baseless if given to objective scrutiny.
The trouble is, however, Western media have by and large not allowed factual reportage to intrude on their pre-ordained narrative of impugning and demonizing Russia.
What we see is a systematic information campaign – bluntly, propaganda – that propagates fake news upon fake news in order to justify Western strategic interests. Those interests include: propping up NATO and the Western military-industrial complex that is so vital to sustain late capitalist economies; as well as subjugating Russia and its enormous natural resources for exploitation by Western corporations.
In this perspective, fake news about the Pope backing Donald Trump or about Hillary Clinton’s health condition is a trifle. The real perpetrators of fake news are professional media conglomerates that pound TV channels and internet screens every second of every day, with the diabolical risk of igniting all-out global war.
This corporate-controlled fake news about alleged Russian aggression in Europe or purported violations in Syria and Ukraine is correlated with the sanitizing of real news about how Western governments are supporting terrorists in Syria, or aiding and abetting state-sponsored slaughter of civilians in Yemen.
So pervasive is this matrix that the systematic purveyors of fake news can turn around and, with a straight face, pontificate to others about the “ethics of journalism”.
What is truly alarming is that the West’s weaponization of information – self-declared as independent, free-thinking – has become so inculcated that real, alternative news could end up being banished from public access.
Dissenting news sites, including many that are based in the West and elsewhere, including Russian’s RT and Sputnik, often convey context and facts that upend Western official narratives.
Just because those alternative news perspectives might appear outlandish to grossly distorted Western narratives, will they then be subject to censorship?
Accusing Western governments of sponsoring terrorism or fabricating “Russian aggression” could, plausibly, seem like fake news if control of the internet were given over to a coterie of Western-based monitors. But such designation of “fake news” is only due to oblivious cultural arrogance and indoctrination.
Maybe the internet will not succumb to the latest Western crusade against “fake news”.
However, considering how so much of Western “news” is already weaponized and when you consider the deeper malign purposes that it truly serves, then the practice of creeping censorship is never too far away.
wvParticipantAnother View:https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/368122-mainstream-media-fake-news/
“It is called fake news and we are told it is dangerous. Maybe we can agree on this. But let there be no mistake – it is governments and mainstream media that have peddled fake news for decades. And this is being challenged.
CrossTalking with Patrick Henningsen, Vladimir Golstein, and Marcus Papadopoulos.”
wvParticipantAnother billionaire to be added to club-trump:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38458-trump-s-top-commerce-secretary-pick-is-a-billionaire-who-owned-coal-mine-where-12-miners-were-killed
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wvParticipantIt’s hard to change the history books because publishers want to make sure their textbooks are purchased by school districts. The textbook that a district uses is approved by the school board. The people who make up school boards are usually not history scholars. They are average people who have been immersed in American Exceptionalism since birth and learned what you and I and everyone else learned in primary and secondary schools – that the US is a benevolent giant that tries to be a force for good in the world and even when it doesn’t succeed its intentions were noble.
So to change how history is taught is a problem, because publishers won’t publish texts that tell the ugly truth because they are afraid that some or most of the school districts won’t buy them. And they can’t make a different text for those districts that might purchase the more enlightened versions. So what they offer all school districts is a single text spouting a sterile, innocuous version of the truth that won’t offend anyone on the board. Publishers want to sell books, not change the world. So the cycle repeats itself and today in 8th grade little Jimmy will learn that the Vietnam conflict was a misguided but well-intentioned effort by the US to protect the South Vietnamese from the evils of communism…
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Well if the school-books are inculcating our minds with Lies
then we need less education.Less education is the answer.
Wait…
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wvParticipantEvery square inch of the inhabitable planet earth is presently occupied by someone who conquered that place. …
We can though dedicate ourselves to a future where that kind of thing ends…
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True.
My thing is just to at least encourage folks to take the ‘first’ step
and RECOGNIZE their actual history — conquest. Not bullshit mainstream-history stories full of amnesia.America was built on conquest, lies, broken treaties, ethnic cleansing.
The Constitution was built on a mountain of skulls (to paraphrase a native american writer)
So step one is to look at that history.
I’m not sure what step two is. Reparations? Change the history books? I dunno. Step two is hard. Step one should be easier. But it aint, apparently.
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wvParticipantThis one is awesome:
wvParticipantWell that’s all true, but holidays don’t have to have the same meaning they were created for….
… I’ve co-opted the holiday to mean a celebration of food and football and not the events that led to the holocaust wrought upon the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.================
I too, have constructed a new meaning for Thanksgiving. I use it as a time to reflect on the carnage offensive lines have suffered in the past,
and i give thanks for the Rams healthy but totally ineffective offensive line.w
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wvParticipantare you trying to say we immigrated to this country unlawfully?
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someone pass the turkey and gravy!
seriously though. this world is pretty fucked up ain’t it?
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Ha. Good point.
First-Peoples shoulda built a Wall 🙂
Conquest aint pretty is it.
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“discovery doctrine” — every citizen should know it
wvParticipantI have to say, I don’t see that.
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Yes, but you are Wrong. So, you need to factor that in.
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wvParticipantI expect to see a trick play Sunday. Fake punt or fake FG or somethin.
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wvParticipantWe’ve talked about this stuff before when contemplating mankind’s future. Some thought that a utopian ‘Star Trekian’ future where all the peoples of the world are united by their humanity under one benevolent government was likely. Others thought that mankind would likely be extinct along with most of the planet’s other megafauna within 200 years.
I’m in the latter camp.
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Well we need something to Unite humans in a common cause. Ya know.
Like an attack by a Giant Scorpion. Or maybe the threat of a cataclysmic environmental or climate catastrophe.Surely, humans would unite around such threats. Surely.
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wvParticipantLeftists infatuation with killing knows no bounds.
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Not true. I let the bacteria live.w
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wvParticipantPretty good.
But then they had to go and ruin it with partisan sloganizing:
t is only the left, essentially the Marxist-Leninist left, that grasps the unique intersection of race and class arising at this moment.
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Well i dont need to tell you how difficult it is to get leftists to behave and work together inclusively.w
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wvParticipantWell for me, I try to put myself in their shoes. Would I enter a country illegally so that I could feed my family…
….I’m not going to deny them the chance to get just a little taste of what I have and enjoy. And what I have is largely due to me being born on the right side of that same arbitrary border.=================
Yeah, that is what i always think about. And it leads me into a foggy mess
that i cant find my way out of.I mean I dont ‘identify’ as “an American” (even though i recognize i have been influenced and imprinted by this place and time, etc)
I identify as an ‘earthling’. A being-of-the-Biosphere. 🙂
I dont like all this ‘my border vs your border’ tribal bullshit. It reminds me of Religions and Race and all the other primitive ways human-systems have created “us versus them” constructs. Systems create “the others” and then dehumanize them, blah blah blah.
I hate it.
But then that view of mine does not lead me to any simple answers to the question of “should everyone just be allowed to move to the USA or North Korea or anywhere they want on the Planet, and how would that work…etc…?
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”I am not an Athenian or a Greek, I am a citizen of the world. ~Socrates“I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world. ~Eugene V. Debs
“Can anything be stupider than that a man has the right to kill me because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a quarrel with mine, though I have not quarrelled with him? ~Blaise Pascal, quoted by Tolstoy in Bethink Yourselves
Patriots always talk of dying for their country, and never of killing for their country. B.Russell
A nation is a society united by a delusion about its ancestry and by common hatred of its neighbours. ~William R. Inge
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. ~Albert Einstein, The World As I See It, 1934To him in whom love dwells, the whole world is but one family. ~Buddha
It is not easy to see how the more extreme forms of nationalism can long survive when men have seen the Earth in its true perspective as a single small globe against the stars. ~Arthur C. Clarke
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November 23, 2016 at 12:54 pm in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59318
wvParticipantOf course not. I’m just tired of the constant pigeon-holing of middle Americans as less thans because they don’t have any higher education on their CV’s. Why make a point of it? What difference does it make? ……irresponsibility? Would it bother you if every article you read suggested as much?
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Well first off let me say, YOU are one of my alltime favorite internet posters. Seriously. I thought that even when things were ugly back in the old
days of fury and flame.Second, i dunno why you seem to “identify” with “trump voters”. Trump voters takes in a HUGE tapestry of different kinds of voters.
When a writer concludes after looking at the numbers that non-formally-educated folks swung more for Trump than Hillary…it just is what it is.I mean, lets say, someone started studying Bernie/Jill voters. And they found that a big faction of privileged white potheads voted for Bernie/Jill. Or lets say they really delved DEEP into racism and found that White Bernie/Jill voters didnt display the ‘overt’ racism of the Klan, but they DID hold all kinds of closet racist ideas, such as ‘blacks are more violent’ and ‘they wouldnt want their daughters marrying black folks’ etc, and so forth. Well, I would not get all defensive about that. I’d just say…”damn, aint that inter-estin”.
This is a messed-up planet. There’s gonna be gazillions of messed-up, wounded, voters voting for both Dems and Reps. But dammit it just so happens the faction of OVERT-in-your-face-Racist/Nationalists tend to vote for Trump rather than Hillary. The numbers just lead me to say that.
It would no surprise me in the LEAST if more white, ‘formally educated’ ‘closet racists’ voted for The Hillary.
Moreover, on a different tangent, some of us here, dont link “critical thinking skills” with “formal education”. I sure dont. Chomsky has a whole schtick on how “formal education” is mainly an ‘indoctrination system’ that weeds out
the people who ask too many ornery questions. Etc.We are just trying to figure out some things about the election. Looks like a lot of overt-racists went for Trump. Looks like a lot of dipshit “fuck the poor” neoliberal white-collar assholes went for Hillary.
Aint Amerika grand.
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The people most definitely voted FOR Trump. Need to work on some self reflection and take another look at that election map..
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Actually ‘the people’ voted for The-Hillary. She won by about 1.5 million votes.
The Electoral-College voted for The Donald.Its all pretty complicated. Even the voting-system itself. The one that comes in second is The President.
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wvParticipantI’ve given up trying to figure this team out. I think it is poetic justice in a way that the only game they were never in was against the god awful 9ers.
Maybe this is a new beginning and from here on out they’ll just get blown out of games early and often…
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Well lets face it, they are due for a truly horrible game.We know they will beat the Patriots, so they may save the
truly horrible game for Arizona.w
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wvParticipantIt’s just not fun to watch anymore
This is a test.
I selected “Its just not fun to watch anymore” and THEN
i hit the Quote button.And voila.
I feel all empowered now.
Btw, its just not fucking fun anymore. Its ugly.
And i dont believe in Mermaids.w
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wvParticipant“LT Greg Robinson was accountable for five of those hurries, on his way to a 47.3 pass-protection grade; Robinson has now allowed 21 QB hurries on the year, which ties his total from a season ago.”
Geez.
If they moved him inside could they find a better LT next year?
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wvParticipantI dont think Fisher or the Rams are a match for Cersei. She’s Elite,
and she’s motivated.But i do expect Gurley to have his first 100 yard game.
Rams 27
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:45 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59291
wvParticipantAnd yet they sent the same Republican congress back…and then some.
People talk change..
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:42 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59290
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They still don’t get it. To vote republican and for Trump to them IS racism. They won’t listen to those white voters who fear their jobs will be sent out of this country————-
Well I’ll say it again.What i notice is that
Dems dont like to admit that Jobs/Trade-Policy/Class
were a part of this.Reps dont like to admit that racism/education
were a part of this.Its a big country. Lots of factions. Lots of layers. Not all of them layers are pretty.
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:38 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59288
wvParticipantIt might have more to do with the fact that these people tend to be less educated and white
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No need to read any further.
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Well, ok, but the numbers are pretty clear. Race and education were factors.
I dont know why you cant relax and admit that. It doesn’t mean every or even ‘most’ Trump voters uneducated or racists.
I mean I know plenty of black folks who can admit that a ton of black voters voted for Obama “only because he was black”.
America is a crazy-zany mixed-up place. Ya know.
I mean do you think only enlightened, wise, holy, social-justice crusaders voted for Trump? How many of them types ARE there in this here nation…
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vNovember 23, 2016 at 7:32 am in reply to: and the answer is more complicated than you might think #59285
wvParticipant“….it’s Trump’s white identity politics, and not his economic message, that most clearly distinguished him from previous Republicans like Romney. Studies from the GOP primary, and pre-election polls, found high racial resentment was a far better predictor of a voter’s likelihood of supporting Trump than any economic variable….
Regardless, it suggests that the push among some liberals, like Bernie Sanders, to respond to this election with a “populist” economic message may not be the right approach. If the swing toward Trump among whites really was about racial and cultural anxieties — as some good research suggests — then they will have misdiagnosed the problem.
The issue wouldn’t be that Democrats “forgot” white workers; it’s that Trump promised them the kind of white identity politics they’ve been yearning for.”
——Well, i dont have any doubt that “its complicated.” Many factors converged among several factions of Dem and Rep voters, of all classes, sexes and races.
But its pretty obvious that Race and Education were huge factors among some factions and Class was a factor in some factions. And all three mixed together in hard-to-untangle ways.
I’ve noticed that Trumpies dont like to admit that Race and Education were factors.
I’ve also noticed Dems dont like to admit class and neoliberalism trade-policies were factors.…At any rate is this writer suggesting Bernie should try a more racist approach instead of a populist approach? Or is the writer suggesting Bernie should try a neoliberal approach?
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wvParticipantlink:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38456-the-cabinet-from-hell-trumpism-meets-neoliberalism
The Cabinet From Hell: Trumpism Meets Neoliberalism
Tuesday, 22 November 2016 00:00 By Michael Corcoran,…see link…”You already broke your promise,” said Sen. Elizabeth Warren in a tweet to Trump. “You stacked your transition team with Wall Street elites, insiders [and] lobbyists.” This was not long after Bloomberg reported Trump was considering former Goldman Sachs executive Steven Mnuchin as treasury secretary….
…Maher fears that we may be witnessing an ugly merger between two dangerous ideologies: Trump’s racial nationalism and the GOP’s brand of neoliberalism.
We cannot allow things to simply ‘go back to normal. It is important to maintain a sense of the very real dangers this poses to the basic foundations of American political democracy.“The foundations of neoliberalism have included, for instance, right to individual self-expression, multiculturalism, free press, etc. — all things Trump has expressed strong antagonism toward,” Maher said. But as the Republican leadership warms to Trump, “the capitalist class may be moving closer to accepting a far-right ‘solution’ to the social crisis of neoliberalism, accommodating an ideology previously regarded as unacceptable.”
Under such a scenario, the best case may be neoliberalism with “an alarmingly authoritarian and chauvinistichue.” Should Trumpism start to dominate the centers of power in the GOP, Maher fears, neoliberalism may shift in a seismic way, “moving closer to something we might identify as neo-fascism.”
Speculation is a key word here; Trumpism itself is still largely undefined. But the more Republican power brokers (and industrial elites) embrace it, the more dangerous it becomes…
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