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wvParticipanti don’t know about quitting. i will say that it is my opinion that fisher lost the team. whether that means they stopped believing in the system. or they lost confidence. or they turned on the coach. i have no clue.
but i do believe the coaching staff lost the players.
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Well, i dunno if they did or not, but it sure as hell would not surprise me.
I mean, would ‘you’ have kept the faith that long?w
vwvParticipantI think a lot of us noticed that there were three or four games in a row (Atlanta, Saints, Pats..) where the Rams were gonna go up against powerful Offensive Teams. Seems like the Rams were ‘breaking’ right about the same time they had to play some powerful offenses — and they just shattered at that point.
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vwvParticipantPS — oh, and zn, around the 26 minute mark or so, he talks about the ‘uncanny’ and dread, and ghost-story stuff. Fwiw
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vJanuary 9, 2017 at 4:17 pm in reply to: Trump is such a baby: Meryl Streeps speech and Trump's reaction. #62949wvParticipant<
It does seem to work. But it’s amazing they view Trump as on their side: a purported billionaire who ships all of his manufacturing overseas, goes to war with his employees and unions, constantly, and brags about stiffing small businesses…————–
Yup. That part i agree with. It is ‘amazing’.How did American voters become so easily mislead? Well, weve discussed the system and corporate-propaganda a gazillion times.
What’s even more amazing to ‘me’ was the popularity of Bernie. THAT one came out of left-field. I just assumed the capitalist-corporate-machine had done its work so well, that from now till the End, the voters would blindly vote for either a Neoliberal-crush-the-poor candidate, or a Rightwing-biosphere-destroyer — but then there was all that support for Bernie. How did THAT happen? And is there any hope at all it can lead to anything ?
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vJanuary 9, 2017 at 4:10 pm in reply to: Trump is such a baby: Meryl Streeps speech and Trump's reaction. #62948wvParticipantMy point is that responding in a petulant tone to criticism is beneath the dignity of the office. Or has been until now. Maybe Trump redefines that.
But Bush – who got blasted from the same pulpit many times – never responded.
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Well I dunno Zooey. Obama can send drones out into the world and blow up
nameless brown-people. He can support hideous trade policies that crush the poor….etc…same as Bush, Clinton… — So, i just dont think about the ‘dignity of the office’ anymore.I dont think there’s anything about this corporotacracy that has any dignity.
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vJanuary 9, 2017 at 2:54 pm in reply to: Trump is such a baby: Meryl Streeps speech and Trump's reaction. #62942wvParticipantIn any event, here is the President of the United States getting into a pissing contest with an actor. An actor. What kind of guy does that?
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Well, maybe a really shrewd rightwinger. Cause counter-attacking Rich Hollywood Liberals plays very well on the right. It always has, as far as i can remember.I mean look at the people in that room with Streep — would you guess most working class voters identify with the folks in that room?
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vwvParticipantA book thread? Thats what this has morphed into?
…ok, I’m reading an old fantasy escape book – Perdido Street Station,
by China Mieville.January 9, 2017 at 10:24 am in reply to: get rid of the idea that Russian hack stories are about disgruntled dems #62892wvParticipantWhy all the outrage about this one case involving Russia? Cause Russia went after the Neoliberals?
No.
No that is not it.
Usually you’re good at listening. You have something blocking you in this case, and I can’t think of what it is. It’s causing you to not hear the other side on this. So you’re not even really responding to the real arguments.
For one thing they went after HALF of the neo-liberals. Look at Trump’s actual policies. The idea that he is free of neo-liberalism is just wrong. They are classical neo-liberal policies. It’s just that his administration will be the neoliberals who also go after social security, medicaire, planned parenthood, roe v. wade, the supreme court, the EPA, and so on. In other words, they’re the WORSE neo-liberals. But they are not NOT neo-liberals.
And if you can countenance this, you have no reason to complain about american intervention in other nation’s elections. Either that’s a principle—you don’t do that–or it’s no argument at all. You can’t suddenly countenance it because in this case you have animosity toward the target.
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Well to me, you are the one thats blocked and not hearing. So again we disagree. To me, you are “quibbling”. Yes, they went after “half” the neoliberals. Fine. Thats worth an “enh” to me.Someone asked Chomsky about the Russian issue and he basically went “enh, yeah they were probly doing stuff”
They went after half the system and supported the Trump-half of the system.
Enh.
The Russian-powers-that-be are Gangsters. The US powers-that-be are gangsters. They all spy and hack and screw the poor and weak.
I cant work up any outrage about what the Russian-gangsters did to the Dem-Gangsters. To me it’d be like focusing on how bad Al Capone treated Lucky Luciano.w
vJanuary 9, 2017 at 9:15 am in reply to: get rid of the idea that Russian hack stories are about disgruntled dems #62879wvParticipantWell again my own view is:
1 heck yeah the Rooskies probably did a lot of shit
because they preferred Trump (because Hillary was warmongering against them)2 Other political organizations/nations have also done exactly the same thing.
We live in a world of hacking and spying and lying. Why all the outrage about this one case involving Russia? Cause Russia went after the Neoliberals?3 wikileaks is a separate subject and no-one has proven any connection between Wikileaks and Russia. Also as far as i know, no-one has ‘ever’ in the history of wikileaks shown that ANY of their info has been WRONG. I like wikileaks, and i like that they give the public accurate info. If its ‘selective’ its selective.
Thats something to think about and consider and factor in — while we are perusing their ACCURATE info.4 And of course a related issue is — The Powers-that-are-complaining are responsible for all kinds of hacking and spying etc.
Juan Cole on NSA Hacking:http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/those_times_the_nsa_hacked_americas_allies_20170107w
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wvParticipantWell, i dont know what ‘Russia’ did or didn’t do,
but i do know the Hillary/Podesta wikileaks emails were true and accurate.So assuming for the sake of argument that russia or some other group leaked,
true and accurate info to the American Public….how is that such a bad thing?w
vIf you do that selectively you have an agenda. I mean it really is that simple.
If they had leaked republican stuff TOO, I could see your point.
But they did it selectively, so it is absolute inescapable that they had an agenda. (BTW the Russians DID access republican material. They just chose not to release it.)
And btw on to another point … I am both against the USA interfering in elections abroad and foreign powers interfering in american elections. One doesnt justify the other. To me if you’re against one you should be against the other. And that’s regardless whether or not we personally like or dislike the target.
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The ‘russians’ may have accessed Rep stuff, but that doesn’t mean wikileaks had an agenda. We dont know where wikileaks got its info from.Moreover, i dont care if wikileaks had an ‘agenda’. What if they ‘did’ prefer Trump over Hillary? Its not a crime. Its just an agenda. And since they only told the truth about Hillary, it doesn’t seem out of line to me. I mean telling the truth while having an agenda is not the worst thing in the world.
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vWikileaks CLEARLY had an agenda. I don’t even think that’s debatable.
I don’t care if it’s a crime—it’s manipulation of another nation’s election. I condemned that when the USA did it and I don’t like it much now either.
And btw Russian actions did not reduce to giving dem stuff to wikileaks. It was more than that.
And wikileaks is not “telling the truth.” They used selective information to manipulate a process. If they were interested in the truth they would have asked the russians for the republican stuff too. To me that’s no different from someone who witnesses an altercation with the police and then only states what the defendant did without saying what the police did. Protecting a bad cop is not devotion to truth.
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Well, I dont see it that way. We will have to agree to disagree.w
vwvParticipantWell, i dont know what ‘Russia’ did or didn’t do,
but i do know the Hillary/Podesta wikileaks emails were true and accurate.So assuming for the sake of argument that russia or some other group leaked,
true and accurate info to the American Public….how is that such a bad thing?w
vIf you do that selectively you have an agenda. I mean it really is that simple.
If they had leaked republican stuff TOO, I could see your point.
But they did it selectively, so it is absolute inescapable that they had an agenda. (BTW the Russians DID access republican material. They just chose not to release it.)
And btw on to another point … I am both against the USA interfering in elections abroad and foreign powers interfering in american elections. One doesnt justify the other. To me if you’re against one you should be against the other. And that’s regardless whether or not we personally like or dislike the target.
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The ‘russians’ may have accessed Rep stuff, but that doesn’t mean wikileaks had an agenda. We dont know where wikileaks got its info from.Moreover, i dont care if wikileaks had an ‘agenda’. What if they ‘did’ prefer Trump over Hillary? Its not a crime. Its just an agenda. And since they only told the truth about Hillary, it doesn’t seem out of line to me. I mean telling the truth while having an agenda is not the worst thing in the world.
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vwvParticipantWell, i dont know what ‘Russia’ did or didn’t do,
but i do know the Hillary/Podesta wikileaks emails were true and accurate.So assuming for the sake of argument that russia or some other group leaked,
true and accurate info to the American Public….how is that such a bad thing?At any rate Trump, Hillary, Obama, Bush, and the Senate and the House and the S.Court and the CIA and the NSA and the Pentagon and all the rest of “it” are so completely, utterly corrupt and hideous at this point, I cant get worked up about ‘hacking’ or counter-hacking or whatever weasely-shit might be going on.
The system isn’t “broken” — the system is working efficiently — and its a biosphere killer.
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vwvParticipantawesome
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vwvParticipantI dunno.
I cant decide.
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vwvParticipantWho are these ‘talented’ players? Just curious. How many “excellent” players do they have?
Aaron Donald.
Donald is a superlative player, on an entirely different level than most.
How many of them are there in the LEAGUE? Let alone on the Rams. That’s like saying where’s your Eric Dickerson? Well you have no running back talent then.
I think Demoff’s right. They have a stock of decent to good to very good talent there. If Goff solidifies they can win with what they have, at least up to the wild card level. I think people are mistaking a lot of bad things for lack of talent.
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Well, I asked a question — How many ‘excellent’ players are there on the Rams.So who else qualifies as excellent or better ?
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vJanuary 4, 2017 at 8:47 pm in reply to: Chris Long compares Rams career with Patriots' season #62390wvParticipant“I’m not making comparisons…but in New England there are a ton of selfless players…”
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vwvParticipantDemoff should f*** off.
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He’s a weasel all right.
But do they need to ‘rebuild’ and what exactly is the definition of ‘rebuild’?
I dunno.
Who are these ‘talented’ players? Just curious. How many “excellent” players do they have?
Aaron Donald.
Who else
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vwvParticipantWell all i can say is the Rams need an UPGRADE at WR. As they have for a million years now. They….need…an…upgrade.
I dont care whether Britt stays or goes — they need an upgrade.
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vwvParticipant. It stands up to scrutiny and the work is done by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has a sterling reputation.
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I agree. I’m a big fan of the Southern Poverty Law Center.Course, no-one is going to change anyone’s mind about this stuff.
99 percent of the Voters went for Hildabeast or TrumpaBeast.
One percent went for the only candidate who supported actual, real, Social Justice.
(now of course some of that voting pattern had to do with lesser-evil strategy etc — but even if we account for that we probly end up with 90 percent of the voting public preferring Hildabeast or Trumpabeast.)So, when a society is ‘that’ propagandized — 90 percent.
When only 10 percent or so, supports actual, real, social justice — I cannot say there is much, if any, hope.Maybe a little. A tiny tiny bit of hope.
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vwvParticipantFox on Assange and Russia
wvParticipantLooks like Bud Grant,
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vJanuary 3, 2017 at 6:00 pm in reply to: There's no offseason anymore which keeps ex-coaches like Cowher from coming back #62321wvParticipantWell… a five million-dollar-a-year sports-job is not what I would call ‘stressful’. But people have their own views about these things.
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vwvParticipantHappy New Year, BT. And Fuck 2016.
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vwvParticipantHappy 2017 to you, Dak. We miss you around here.
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vwvParticipantI think the MOVE to LA-LA-Land, coupled with
Boras being in over his head,
coupled with starting Keenum and then a Rookie
were certainly big parts of this clusterfuck,
but there were probably other factors because
this thing just sunk like a rock.
How did this team go from that tough team that won
three games to the ‘thing’ we watched the last month?How did THAT happen?
The move doesnt explain that.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticismwvParticipant“You can say he didn’t win a game as a starter
but we also weren’t very good in, really, any of the positions on offense
to give him a chance,’’
interim Coach John Fassel said.wvParticipantas long as demoff is vp of football operations, the rams are doomed.
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Well i loathe Demoff, but I’m not sure thats true.
Just gotta wait and see what they do.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantIn the entire history of “human endeavors”, (And I’ll throw in Neanderthal endeavors)
has there ever been a more sorry-ass cluster-fuck ?w
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