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wvParticipantWV,
It’s hard for me to watch that. IMO, Dore talks as if he’s being paid directly by Trump. Seriously….
Oh, well.
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Yes, I figured you would feel that way about it, BT. We just disagree on it.
Dore loathes Trump, btw. Absolutely loathes him. He just loathes the ‘system’ more.
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wvParticipantI think Jimmy makes an interesting point about which whistle-blowers the Dems and Dem-Corporate-Media paint as heroes and which whistle-blowers they demonize and put in prison.
How come the Dems dont lionize Chelsea, Snowden, Assange, etc?
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wvParticipantChris Carter on Gurley:
September 30, 2019 at 1:25 pm in reply to: This is not okay: Trump calls for the arrest of Schiff for Treason #105995
wvParticipantOne thing we know. Trump would burn the whole Universe down, rather than admit he was at fault about anything, ever. (Nixon wasnt even this averse to admitting fault) He has basically, essentially, written as much in his books. He’s always emphasized “if someone attacks you, attack them with twice as much force.” He lives by that. Its his nature. Its in his bizness books, its in his Pro-Wrestling ‘persona’ etc.
Makes for good tv, in a corporate-capitalist-state, with hundreds of millions of corporate-capitalist-zombies watchin.
His words about treasonous traitors are in keeping with his lifelong internal defense/attack mechanisms.
Ah well.
I dont remember ever talkin about Obama the Man, this much. Democrats are boring, corporate, biosphere-destroyers. Trump is a CRAZY-MAN, super-charged-corporate-biosphere-destroyer.
I get tired of talkin about Trump and thinkin about Trump — but its impossible NOT to talk/think about him. He’s in my brain now, forever, in a way that Obama never was.
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wvParticipantI looked at the gamebook stats. Interesting that a team scored over 50 points, and only rushed for 88 total yards, with a 2.9 yard average rush.
Bucs only had two sacks, I see. Rams had two as well.
Peculiar game. Sometimes blowouts have weird stats.
Bucs have to be pleased they just kept answering the Rams scores, with scores of their own.
But the Rams also have to be pleased they kept com’in. Coulda gone either way at the end. Makin up a 21 point deficit sez somethin. To pull within five in the second half and to be there at the end. Sez somethin about the fight in the Rams. They may be flawed but they are fighters. I like that. Possibly reminiscent of the Titan loss in 99.I guess the Bucs musta had a lot of ‘almost-sacks’ ?
I usually wait until four games are in the books, before i start sayin much about the team.
Big game comin up. Lets see what team shows up. A wild-cardish-team? An elite-top-five-team? A team with flaws but one that can improve? A team with fatal-flaws?
Green Bay has flaws. Looks like Dallas has flaws. Are the 49ers the team to beat this year in the NFC?
Lots of teams scratching and claw’in at each other this year in the NFC.A flawed-OLine is a fatal-flaw imho. Ask Russell Wilson.
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wvParticipantturnovers. -3 in turnovers. gotta take care of the ball.
gotta cause turnovers.
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I think thats the second game in a row they were minus 3
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wvParticipantYeah. So I found somebody near me. Once a month.
But I want to talk my wife into it, and I don’t know how to do that.
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Maybe Michael Pollen’s calm, matter-of-fact sensibility could help there:
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wvParticipantI’ve only seen the Highlights at NFL.com. Were they flat ? Looked like there were a lot of missed tackles. Thats usually the biggest sign of a flat team, in my view.
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wvParticipantI’ve heard some pretty interesting arguments that some kind of ritual use of psychedelics would be a good thing for humans.
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Not without a Barbie Bucket.
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wvParticipantThere’s a strong pull on my imagination to believe that what comes next is Mad Max.
But I also think that visions of the apocalypse have always seeded the imaginations of humans, and humans have had a tendency to believe throughout history that the apocalypse is just over the horizon. I dunno. Maybe humans just lurch along as always, finding ways to adapt, finding ways to eliminate other humans from competition for food and water, and doing without polar ice and commercial salad dressing.
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All true.
But I dont ‘think’ i have a ‘strong pull on my imagination’ about the mad-max future. I might, but I dont think thats it. For me its just looking at the science. The trajectories of environmental science. Thats prettymuch all I’m basing my dark-view on. The Air, the Water, the Ground, the Food, the Population, the Extinctions, the Climate, Modern Weoponry, Etc.
Coupled with Corporate-Personhood. And Human-Fear-Ignorance.Its not a ‘romantic vision’ for me. I dont ‘think’ so, anyway.
And again, the past is of no help. Because nothing like these conditions have ever existed before. This is something new.
What the hell do i know though. I’m just looking at a bright pebble or two on the vast shore.
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“I know not how I may seem to others, but to myself I am but a small child wandering upon the vast shores of knowledge, every now and then finding a small bright pebble to content myself with.” ― Plato
wvParticipantFederated, localized, democratic enclaves, publicly owned, for the common good . . . etc. etc.
I won’t live to see it, if it ever happens. But my faith is usually strong that it will, eventually.
Thanks for your response, WV.
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Well, I can envison ‘that’ kind of place too, BT. …maybe North of the Wall, in the Lands of Always Winter, past the Haunted Forest…ice clans, snow bears, and free peoples. Where capitalists are roasted on spits, and no-one dares to even think of ‘owning the land.’
Yeah, i can envision a good way of life in that version too.
…but pray that the Oil under the ground is not discovered….humans….
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wvParticipantDisagreement on FOX
The Judge “is a fool”
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wvParticipantHe won’t be the last president to try and take away a woman’s right to agency over her own body or deport brown skinned people who are simply looking for a better life, but I pray to Cthulhu he’s the last president to invite destruction of the last few pristine areas on earth by opening it up to his fossil fuel overlords.
Damm that was articulate. Nicely put.
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Um….except that Trump works FOR Cthulhu.
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wvParticipantThanks, WV.
Jane Goodall is a treasure. She’s like Chomsky for animals and the environment.
Much appreciated.
If you get the chance, would like to hear your own take on capitalism and the environment. Do you think it’s compatible with saving the planet?
Hope all is well —
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Capitalism. Its such a big giant huge subject. If I were to write an epic fantasy novel with seven kingdoms, and I had to do some new ‘world-building,’ I suppose I could envision a society somewhere in Westeros, where Capitalism might work. I can envision it. It would require an educational system that emphasized critical-thinking. And compassion. Without that, it couldnt work.
On top of the Education System, it would require some way to protect politics from Money. Thats possible to envision. Just put it in the constitution.
It would require Nationalizing Energy, Education, Health Care, etc. The Big stuff.
Cant have too much inequality so we’d have to regulate that somehow. Thats do-able.
A capitalism of many many small businesses, and the big stuff nationalized.So, yeah, i can envision a kinder gentler form of Capitalism. In the abstract. In a fantasy book. Where i get to start everything from scratch, without history getting in the way 🙂
Dunno what the coat of arms would look like.
But can Capitalism work in the real world? Signs point to No.
But it aint going anywhere, BT. So even though my heart is deeply anti-capitalist and wants revolution, my head whispers just settle for do-able-reforms. Like Bernie’s policies. Just some tinkering with the beast. Better than nuthin.
At any rate, Whats coming to replace Capitalism will probly be worse.
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wvParticipantI understand why some people don’t see the point of impeaching Trump when there’s little chance of him being removed from office.
Polls show that less than half of the country wants him to be impeached. The same was true for Clinton’s impeachment and it backfired on the Republicans. His approval rating shot up to 60% as a result. Impeachment could be the best thing that could happen to Trump.
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Well, I cant imagine it changing one single solitary person’s mind about the situation. Thats the thing for me. People on Planet-MSNBC will cheer and people on Planet-Fox will jeer, and how will it change….anything?
The ‘symbolism’ wont mean anything except to the people who ‘already’ think he’s the devil. To the rest of the Nation it will just look like Dem-bullshit.
Just feels like taking a case to trial where you KNOW its gonna be a hung jury. What is the point? Ya know 🙂
I dunno. I should shut up. Maybe my algebra is way off. Maybe I’m too influenced by all them rightwingers around me. They still blame Bill Clinton for everything 🙂
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wvParticipantFirst off, it’s simply not the norm for a sitting president to use taxpayer dollars as bait, threat, carrot and stick to go after political opponents in the upcoming election. Second….
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Ok, no big thing. We just disagree on that. I think LBJ would do that kind of thing without giving it a second thot. Kennedy. Nixon. Reagan. Yeah, I think they all do it, regularly. Cant prove it though.
At any rate, I have no emotional investment in the impeachment thing. Maybe it would do some good, I dunno. But I think its just as likely it will backfire.
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wvParticipantFollowing up on the above.
I think Western civilization took a mad, dangerous, spectacularly horrible turn when it went from feudalism to capitalism.
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Well Jane Goodall agrees with you:
wvParticipantI would take that logo. They may have “leaked” it to test the waters. Or it could be somebody trying to promote something, or start an internet rumor, or a host of other motives.
But I like it, actually. It does combine the two, and I never loved either one of them: the skull, or the newer one. This is a living Ram resembling the old logo. I like it, fwiw.
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Yeah, I like the new-fake-one better too.
Not that I care about ‘logos’ much. Its the helmets that matter. Its all about the helmets.
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wvParticipant“…Trump may have withheld military aid to seek a probe into Biden, but it is hypocritically being framed by Democrats as an abuse of power out of the ordinary. But it is very much ordinary…”
=====================Well, I just dont get yall’s take on impeachment. Cuz if you agree with that quote up there, from the article up there, I just dont see how you can think Dems voting yes on Impeachment, and Reps voting no on Impeachment leads to…anything. I just dont see how any of it changes anything in today’s political landscape.
I mean read that quote slowly. Let the consequences of it sink in.
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wvParticipantHollywood ending.
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wvParticipantI haven’t had a chance to see it yet.
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It stays with ya. Works on ya.
People will have a hard time talkin about what “its about.”
For me it was ‘about’ how racism/capitalism cause people to dream certain dreams, and lie to themselves about certain things.
The commentary on the dvd is refreshing, and honest.
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wvParticipantFwiw,
41 percent of Independents support Impeachment.
38 percent of Independents oppose impeachment.
21 percent are Unsure.
According to Harris poll.
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wvParticipantIn my own defense, I’m actually thinking of this in terms of morals and ethics. To be honest, “laws” are secondary to me.
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Well, ethically and morally you are right. But ethically and morally every modern President should have been impeached, I would say 🙂
I not thinking ethically/morally. I’m just doin my own political-race-horse algebra. And i suspect Impeachment would just make Trump look like a martyr with undecideds. With Dems it wont change any votes. With Reps it wont change any votes. Its all about undecideds.
Can you imagine, there are undecided-humans out there in Amerika. Scary times. Walking Dead times.
Perhaps it doesnt make one iota of difference what the Dem-politicans do regarding impeachment. Didnt Kiergegaard say something about marriage once: “Marry, and you will regret it; don’t marry, you will also regret it; marry or don’t marry, you will regret it either way”
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wvParticipantTrump handed them the impeachment issue on a silver platter, and they’re screwing it up already. .
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Well we disagree on this one, comrad. The country is divided. I promise you, at least half the electorate thinks this is all bullshit. Just Dems playing politics. Rightly or wrongly those are the facts we have to deal with. On top of that we have a Rep-Senate that will not vote to impeach Trump, so any proceeding is going to fail. And the American people will get very tired of the whole thing. They will want to decide who is the next Prez, themselves. They wont want the Dem-politicians deciding things.
It just seems to me you are looking at this like a Lawyer. You are arguing ‘law’ and ‘rules’ end such.
See, I look at more like its…oh… Lord of the Flies…or Animal Farm 🙂
We both agree Trump is a vile, corrupt, dangerous, unqualified, narcissistic, lying, biosphere-killing piece of shit. But…my mom loves him. As does about half the electorate. Amerika.
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wvParticipantJust adding Tulsi’s view:
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