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wvParticipantwvParticipantAfrican-American vote seems to be hammering Sanders. Biden linked to Obama. Ah well.
wvParticipantGo ahead-vote green if you must- make a statement.
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I intend to vote my conscience. Go ahead and do the same.
And yes, its a black black black day for the Biosphere, the Polar Bears, Poor People in America, and Poor People who will be bombed by Biden/Trump.
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vwvParticipantOh, and watch how the MSM will turn into an absolute LOVEFEST for Bernie and Progressives, if it becomes obvious Biden will be the Nominee. Those lowlife-weasels will fall all over themselves trying to ingratiate themselves to progressives. First they smear the left, and then they love the left. Ya know.
All one big family, Unite against Trump, etc, etc — Gag me.w
vwvParticipantBlack, black, black Wednesday. Black day for poor people. Black day for Polar Bears. Black day for poor and sick people, with no health care. Black day for people who care about Peace and Justice.
Well, i wouldnt vote for Biden if you put a gun to my head. I’ll be voting Green again. Yall, do what feels right to you. I will never do the ‘lesser evil’ thing again. Too late in the game for me to do that. Just wouldnt feel right, voting for a Biosphere-Killer. Its all symbolic at this point, but I dont want my name on a ballot voting for a Killer.
And thankyou California. How did THEY not get all dummed-down? How did ‘that’ happen?
Oh, and Fuck the South.
Carry on,
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vwvParticipantNice summary by Krystal.
wvParticipantI think its best for all to avoid the “if I can’t have it my way I’m going to take my ball and go home”.
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Did you ever once, denounce what the DNC did to Bernie in 2016? The cheating?
I’m just curious. They have a history of cheating. You know that, right?w
vMarch 3, 2020 at 10:21 am in reply to: just some “no thread for em” various political tweets … 2/25 thru ? #111872wvParticipantRegardless if you believe Bernie is anti-science, associating himself with Williamson is a major blunder, IMO. This is disappointing.
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Oh, i disagree totally. I think that would be like distancing himself from Rogan just because Rogan has some batshit crazy ideas.
Too much purism can really whittle down yer allies to zero.
I want her new-age voting bloc.
Williamson is a LOT of things. Some of them Good. Shes not ‘just-and-only’ an anti-vaxer. I think its a mistake to ‘reduce’ her to only that. All in all, I think she’s a more positive force than, say, 95 percent of Congress.
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vMarch 2, 2020 at 9:12 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111855wvParticipantwvParticipantyes, Tejas is the pivotal state of Super Tuesday….. btw The Rams are 3-2 in playoff games vs the Cowboys in Dallas……..
fucking Amy K and Mayor Pete are full of shit…..
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Yeah, they are corporate dirtbags for sure, but ya know…I’m fine with their decisions to drop out. I just think Bernie has to stand or fall against one-centrist-candidate. Ya know. Either he has the support of Dem-Voters or he doesnt.
There’s nothing ‘unfair’ about all these centrist candidates uniting behind one of their own.Now we actually get to see what Bernie’s support really is. Is he a mirage or not? A paper-tiger, only formidable against a bunch of centrists who split their votes?
I want to see what his real support turns out to be.
I am not optimistic. All the old polls are shit now. We dunno what will happen.
Can a fucking progressive actually win over the electorate? It hasnt happened since McGovern. Can it happen now? We shall see.
Progressives cant whine about this. This is centrist-hardball, but its not unfair.
Bring it on. Lets see.
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vwvParticipantOur enemies are massing their armies.
Mordor is stirring.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantThis is like the day before a Ram Playoff game,
against Dallas.
At Dallas.I know i shouldnt get my hopes up. I mean this is the Amerikan public we are counting on. The amerikan fucking public.
I’d sooner count on an electorate made up of Orcs and Zombies.
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vwvParticipanti talked to a middle-aged, Pennsylvanian, white female nurse today. She voted for Trump last time.
Said she was voting for Bernie this time.
I asked her why. She said Trump has said some callous and insensitive things relating to the coronavirus. It bothered her. Plus she liked the idea of free college. Said she could never afford to send her young son to college.Ok…so thats…one.
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vwvParticipantwvParticipantBiden’s Super Tuesday strategy…did not include spending much money or campaigning in person over the last month.
wvParticipantI wonder if this helps Biden or Bernie or Both or Neither.
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vwvParticipantMarch 1, 2020 at 5:06 pm in reply to: Washington Post: Sanders a risk… the media hates Bernie thread #111795wvParticipantRogan — “listen to Kyle Kalinski, Jimmy Dore, The Hill…”
wvParticipantCorporatist-Dems might prefer Trump to Bernie.
Would some Progressives prefer Trump to a Corporate-Dem who was nominated by “super-delegates” ? Maybe.
wvParticipantwvParticipantIsnt South Carolina a Southern Red State? Or not? I have no idea.
I’m just not that interested in the solid-red southern states. I’m interested in the Big States and the swing states.
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But they do sound extreme to Trump supporters. Believe me-I talk to them every day ! It just seems so very simple to me: this is a contest. The idea of a contest is to win. Sanders will not win Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania-game over.==========================
Waterfield thats just silly. You dont talk to ALLLL the Trump supporters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. You dont even talk to one percent of them.
You….dont….know how those States are going to go. No-one does.Its going to be close.
Bernie could win, if the same voters who voted for Obama, vote for Bernie. And thats just ‘one’ path.
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And by doing so you are actually equating any democrat except Sanders to Trump ! That’s just being silly. (“if you can’t play by my rules I’m taking the ball and going home”). You simply do not see how dangerous Trump is and will continue to be when it comes to the protection of the environment, the plight of the less fortunate, the health and safety of minorities and disabled, the continued destruction of our judicial system, the widening of the economic inequality,etc. You simply do not appear to care about these things.========================
Well, thats not exactly true, but there’s enough truth to it, that i wont argue with your characterization.
I would phrase it like this — Trump is driving us all off a cliff at 90 miles per hour. A corporate-centrist, like Obama/Clinton/Kerry would drive us off the cliff at 75 miles per hour. Is there a difference? Yeah. 15 miles per hour.
Would that difference matter in the long run — Not when we go over the cliff.So, yeah, i liken the Corporate-Dems to the Corporate-Reps. Trump is a Corporate-Rep. Remember the Corporate-Reps are all right there with him. Its not like any of them are fighting his agenda.
You say i dont see the danger in Trump. I say, you dont see the danger in the Corpse-dems. Ah well. Nothing personal here, for me. Just a political difference. I used to take this shit personally, but i just dont anymore. I’m resigned to the apocalypse.
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vwvParticipant“… Two hats, perhaps. Or more. Aspirational versus realistic, etc. …”
==============Exactly. And there’s a lot of conversation-paths that could branch off from that notion.
What counts as ‘realistic’ and what counts as actual ‘reform’ etc? Hillary? Biden?
Etc, etc.And then you have the always-present problem on the left of the “purists” vs “reformers”. Left Politics is a long long long dynamic of fracturing and fracturing and fracturing from within. I mean, have you ever read some of the history of the American socialist movement around the time of the Russian Revolution — It was comical. I bet They couldnt agree on what kind of bullets to use to shoot robber-barons….
wvParticipantReally good video, WV.
Finally saw who you had mentioned, over on the side of the website, and wanted to give it a listen.
Had never heard of him before, but I agree with the vast majority of what he said. Capitalism is the problem. As long as it exists as the legal economic mode of production, we can’t have democracy. It will always own the government. In my view, it’s just impossible. Capitalism is, in fact, economic apartheid. It’s easily the most immoral and destructive economic system in world history, and the first to take over the entire globe — which makes it all the more deadly.
I liked that the Finnish guy called socialism “economic democracy,” which is my take as well. It’s what I argue with others on and offline when I defend it . . . especially when they play the Stalin card. If we go to socialism, that means we replace economic apartheid with economic democracy. But few Americans will ever get this. Too many generations of gaslighting have fogged them up too much.
Do you agree with him about Dore overall, and his calling him a “liberal”? You know Dore. I really don’t, outside some of the videos you’ve posted here. It surprised me initially when he said that. But I think he makes a pretty good case for it, while complimenting Dore for being among the most “woke” liberals. Woke, in this case, meaning class-conscious.
Would enjoy reading your take on it.
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I think he ‘may’ be right about Dore, but I dunno. My take on Dore is more like he’s not easy to label. I mean how many critical-thinkers can really be ‘reduced’ down to this or that single word, like ‘socialist’ or whatever. I mean so much of what we support just depends on the context. Like, if someone asked me would i support a tax-increase on the rich, or a bigger tax on corporations, I’d say, “Yes, I support that”. Does that make me a ‘liberal’? Am i always supposed to say “Well i really support the dismantling of corporate-personhood, and corporate capitalism, and raising-taxes on corporations is just useless reformism and doesnt get to the root of the problem…blah blah blah…”
It gets tricky. I think Dore supports decent reforms. But that doesnt mean hes a liberal. He ‘might’ be. But maybe he just supports liberal reforms for strategic reasons, etc.
I’d vote for Bernie. But that doesnt make me a liberal-capitalist. In my case it just means, I dont believe in a “Revolution or Nothing” approach.
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vwvParticipantOne other thing about Sanders. He isn’t a hypocrite. He has not been duplicitous in his career. All of the other candidates have been, and that is the kind of vulnerability Trump has a nose for, and will exploit endlessly. Trump defines his opponents. Every single one of them. He can’t define Bernie because Bernie is what he is, always has been, and owns it.
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I think this is HUGE. Cant be underestimated.
I’ll keep going back to Joe Rogan. Because i think he represents a type of voter that the Dems NEED. He switched to Bernie because he said he TRUSTS Bernie.
He didnt talk a lot about Bernie’s policies. He wasnt even sure Bernie’s policies were the right ones — but…he…TRUSTS Bernie. He’s used words like that over and over. Its an ’emotional’ thing. People….trust…Bernie. They dont trust establishment politicians anymore.None of that means i think Bernie ‘will win.’ Who the fuck knows if Bernie will win or Trump will win or if the DNC-Cheat-Candidate will win. Who knows.
Things are confusing nowadays. In flux. Dogs and Cats raining from the skies.w
vwvParticipant“That aside…W’s central point is to encourage us to vote blue no matter who because…Trump.”
Of course that is my point ! Can’t see how that was missed. Once the Democrats pick a nominee ideology becomes irrelevant in my mind. It could be Bernie, Ho Chi Minh, or Mr. Magoo for all I care. That is how dangerous I see Trump. My problem is that Trump sees Bernie as an easy target. Less so for the others. And I think he is right. If he’s the nominee I pray I’m wrong.
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Nah, I wont vote for a pro-one-percent-Dem, if he is the nominee because the pro-one-percent-DNC cheats Bernie, AGAIN. I’m sure a lot of progressives will go ahead and hold their noses and vote for a pro-corporate-dem, but a lot of progressives will just stay home, vote Green Party or….move to Thailand.
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vFebruary 28, 2020 at 4:07 pm in reply to: DNC Superdelegate for Brokered Decision Is GOP Donor & Health Care Lobbyist #111707wvParticipantIve been skimming Barbara Ehrenreich’s “Natural Causes.” She talks about how the baby-boomers have bought into all the “health and wellness” industry’s corporate approaches to “staying healthy” and “living longer” etc. Yoga, Vitamins, Gym Memberships, etc, etc, etc. Gazillion dollar bizness.
One of the many facets of the “health and wellness” mentality can be “testing”. Lots and lots of medical “testing”. Go to a dentist and they want X-Rays. “Standard procedure.” Doctors love to order testing these days. Mammagrams, Colonoscopies, you name it. Ehrenreich goes against the grain and argues its not about ‘health’ its often about Profit. The American Doctors have a financial interest in ordering Tests. And the test equipment is so precise now it can find flaws in everything. Have enuff tests and the equipment WILL find something. Which means…more testing.
Capitalist-Medicine. Profit motive is ruining medicine.
Capitalist-Education. Profit motive is ruining education.
Capitalist-Media. Profit motive is ruining democracy.And on and on and on.
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