Zooey wrote:

wv wrote:

They went too far. They know that now.

I don’t think they know that at all. I think the DNC is THAT out of touch.

You got everyone nodding their heads in unison over the Hillary claim that Sanders’ “Bernie Bros” are actually a thing, and that they are the reason she lost.

And you’ve got James Fucking Carville melting down and calling Sanders a Commie, FFS, and complaining that the media has failed to “educate” young people who are deluded by Sanders.

I think the DNC firmly BELIEVES the shit they sow, and they think their way is Practical, Sensible, Objectively Good for the Country, and so on. After all, poor people go to Starbucks (in their imagination), so it’s really not that bad out there.

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Well, i dont disagree with any of that.

When i say they ‘know they went too far,’ I am talking about ‘strategy.’
MSNBC is hiring some pro-bernie people because they are now taking too much flak.
They know their previous strategy went a little too far. They are correcting course, strategically. And they know Bernie might become Prez.
Of course they still WANT a corporate-centrist, blah blah blah.

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This is one of Sander’s smart-people. He’s surrounded himself with smart people who know how to run campaigns.

But i have to say, none of these expert-celebrity-campaign-managers seem to have a soul. Salespersons-without-souls, is how they seem to me.

Zooey wrote:

But…the old guard is over 65,
and dying off year-by-year…
The gig is up for corporate polluters.
It is. It’s over.
So we can either do this peacefully,
or those Millennials…
are going to emerge with some baseball bats….

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You are such an optimist.

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Zooey wrote:

I just realized something today.

I will turn 60-years old just before the election day in November. And it looks like it may be the first time in my life that I will cast a vote for a person I actually WANT to be president.

I’ve done the “Lesser of Two Evils” thing. And I’ve done the “Protest” vote.

This could be the first time I vote for someone I think will steer the country in the right direction.

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Six Decades on this planet, and only one Super Bowl win.

Six Decades and, arguably zero progressive Presidents. (Probly hav to go back about 70 years to FDR)

So, if yer a Progressive-Ram-Fan, the last sixty years….coulda been better. Ya know.

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Centrist-Corporatists discussing the crisis.
The Republican ex-Bush corporatist, sez Bernie is ‘not a Democrat.’

1970. Tommy Prothro. Blue and Whites. Roman. Willie Ellison. Snow.
Tom Brookshier narrating highlights.

Themz wuz the days.

No internet. No 24 hours-a-day-Sports piped into yer head. No ‘in the grasp.’
No going over the middle without mayhem.

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The last question of the debate…On the minor, trivial question of democracy.

(this is why, I cant watch the Democrats, btw. Cant…even…watch em. Bernie’s the only one with the slightest bit of integrity)

I just wanna know where Lassie falls on that political-cube.

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The establishment is terrified of Bernie as we knew they would be.

Good lord, they’ve even wheeled out panic-stricken James Carville. …and who the fuck is Michael Bennett?

“…New Hampshire primary showed something very interesting. Progressive candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren won 35% of the vote in New Hampshire, while the moderates—Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, and Joe Biden– won 53% of the vote…”
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I know one thing. Corporate-Centrists will NEVER believe a Progressive can win until one actually…wins. If Bernie does actually manage, somehow, to win, Centrists will never be able to simply dismiss progressives again.

Been a long long time. All the way Back to F.D.R.

Is it finally time?

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Billy_T wrote:

WV,

My earlier reply to you was delayed in the spam queue. Hope you’ve noticed it by now, above.

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Anyway . . . we’ve been through this before, and sorry to rehash it, but you and I don’t see the MSM in the same way. I think on most stuff, we’re on the same page. On the same page with pretty much all the important stuff. But I don’t view the MSM as the Dem-establishment at all, if I’m reading you correctly and you do see it that way (?)

Again, tough to express this in a short form. But, if the two parties were given points for bad behavior, and for stuff that real journalists should be exposing, they’d both get a ton. But the GOP would get ten times more points. So when the MSM try their damndest to be “fair and balanced,” they’re actually going a lot easier on the GOP than the Dems. They’re skewing reality. It’s not, in fact, the Dem-establishment. It’s tougher on them than on the GOP (in relative terms), given what each party actually does. That “liberal bias” the right always screams about is nonsense, in my view. They have a conservative bias, and always have. It’s just that conservatives give them a hell of a lot more ammunition via wrong-doing, so they have to cover that stuff more. The Dems give them fewer examples, but they struggle to try to “balance” it all, plus conflict and horse races sell. Lopsided, but truthful description of reality doesn’t.

Not to mention, as I’ve brought up before, networks like CNN and MSNBC are crawling with conservatives, Republicans, Republican operatives, and ex-Republicans, and when they book folks for the Sunday shows, they tend to book more Republicans than Dems.

Also, the media are owned by, as you know, conservative corporations. They prefer the Republicans to the Dems, cuz they get better deals from them. They get really good deals from the Dems, too. But they get great deals from the Republicans.

IMO, the MSM is not the Dem-establishment, or the DNC-establishment. However, Fox and most baldly partisan right-wing media are openly, without apology, arms of the GOP.

That’s the way I see it, anyway.

I still detest both parties. But I see the GOP as a far bigger existential threat, especially to the planet.

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Well, what is your opinion of, say, three specific organizations — lets say, MSNBC, The NYT, and NPR/PBS — Dont you think they are DEM-oriented? Corporate-Dem-oriented. I mean the NYT just flat out endorses Dems for President every four years.

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Billy_T wrote:

On Tucker Carlson:

We shouldn’t forget that he’s been raging at “the left” for decades, and that he’s a pathological liar when it comes to the subject. He openly despises and demonizes “socialism” and “progressives” at every turn, and when he does have a leftist on air, he trashes them and gives them his patented “WTF” look every other second.

He is not our friend.

The only reason he’s saying anything positive about Sanders right now is that he sees the chance to sow division on the left in general, and among Dems in particular. No one should fall for this nonsense — including K Ball, who should know better. .

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True, he is a Vile Repugnant. Absolutely. Its always a ‘given’ for me, BT. Dont think because i post his vids, i dont see all that. Its…a…given.

But. I think he Genuinely does believe some of the things he says. Sometimes he just says what he really, actually thinks. And i think he genuinely thinks the DNC-establishment (CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc) is smearing/ignoring Bernie.
A rightwinger ‘can’ see all that. They are still rightwingers but they can sometimes see what the DNC is doing, clearly. Heck, I think a LOT of Foxers see it, clearly.

As for K.Ball falling for something — what did she fall for? She went on Fox because she wanted to influence the VIEWERS. Millions of Viewers. At least thats what she said on her show. Makes sense to me. And the fact she was received more warmly on Fox than on CNN or MSNBC is not surprising. And that was her experience.

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