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wvParticipantI got absolutely nuthin against Kurt, but I have to say, I never like it when he does that (Ie, tell the truth about his feelings 🙂 )
It would be very very easy for him to say “I love both organizations” and just leave it at that. But he always has to go and tell the truth.
It annoys me.
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vwvParticipantI think Pouncey got a three game suspension. I’d have just given him a one game suspension.
I know the NFL wanted to send a message to Garrett and all players, and they did, and I dont have a problem with it…but I’d probly have only given him three games plus some sorta probation.
I’m old-school though. I saw worse than that glancing-blow, on a weekly basis back in the 70s. Deacon Jones once twisted and tore Sonny Jurgenson’s head off, and then beat the QB with the decapitated HEAD.
And as I recall there was no fine at all.
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vwvParticipantYeah, I ordered a couple of grandin’s books because you talked about him.
But i got Fordlandia, and Empire’s Workshop.Btw, is it fair to say, Donald Trump just sets you off in some way that no other national american politician has, in the last 40 years or so?
We both agree he’s a monster but I just get the impression with you, its the fact that he’s a lying-weasel-monster AND its also personal somehow. Yes? No?
For whatever reason, the thing that sets me off ’emotionally’ is probly…liberal-capitalist-Dems. They make me crazy. I am able to control myself around them, but if they ever heard my internal dialogue….
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vwvParticipantWell, I’d like to see Scientists study why Democrat-voters are ok with voting for murderous Imperialists, election after election.
Wonder why no American Scientists wonder about ‘that’ ?
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vThe thing is, WV, Trump’s lies are in addition to those you mention. They don’t replace them, lie for lie. He’s actually piling on new ones on top of the old imperialism, empire, murder, environmental devastation lies. And his deeds are in addition to the status quo actions linked to those lies.
It would be an entirely different situation, requiring an entirely different response, if Trump did his usual lies while reversing the old order, while fighting for the poor, ramping down empire, saving the environment, etc. etc.
He’s actually made things far worse on the status quo issues like war, peace, incarceration, corporate control of society, inequality, health care, the earth . . . and on and on.
In addition to; not in replacement of.
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Ariely had a really interesting study years ago about Americans’ view of inequality. He showed how large majorities aren’t aware how bad things are here, and actually think we’re more like Sweden in our levels. In blind tests, they consistently chose Swedish levels of inequality as the ideal, too. Of course, Americans wouldn’t pick Sweden if they knew the country’s name beforehand. They’d choose to good old US of A.
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Well, ‘my’ thing (and Hedges, Dore, etc) is that Trump GETS a ton of criticism. I mean the Dem-MSM has never been this apoplectic about a President before. So I dont think Trump is getting a pass or anything close to it.
But. As you know, Obama/Clinton/Gore/Biden/Edwards-types do indeed get a pass on their murderous Imperialism, from ‘scientists’ and the Dem-MSM. I mean its not even in the Dem-MSM’s consciousness. The word America and Imperialism would never be uttered by a dem-MSM-type. Not only wouldnt it be uttered, it wouldnt be thought-of.
So, as per usual, I get set-off by criticism of just one party or one prez. Itz just how I’m wired. Getting rid of Trump (or Obama, or Reagan, or Nixon, or whoever) wont do much. It just wont. The entire system is too far gone at this point. As you well, know.
So what would make wv happy? 🙂 If ‘scientists’ and the MSM would talk about the SYSTEM of IMPERIALISM and corporate-power that is destroying the biosphere.
The Dem-MSM focusses on Trump, trump, trump. Fox focuses on Obama/clinton, obama/clinton, obama/clinton. Both approaches hide the problem. Neither will lead to anything good.
Obama droned innocent people to death. Blew them to pieces. Trump does the same.
What is ‘underneath’ them both. Let scientists study ‘that’.w
vwvParticipantWell, I’d like to see Scientists study why Democrat-voters are ok with voting for murderous Imperialists, election after election.
Wonder why no American Scientists wonder about ‘that’ ?
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vwvParticipantBtw, J.Dore and Tulsi:
wvParticipant… I’ve said repeatedly that I think the US is guilty of much worse overall. As in, more of it, more often, over more time, and to worse effect.
My thing is that if an American chases after, exploits, willingly receives foreign help, he or she needs to be held to account. The real issue is on the American side, for me, not the Russian.
It’s one of those “givens” that no nation should be doing this shhht. But it’s also a given that empires and nation-states always have. So until we can put a stop to the practice, we should focus on holding to account . . . individuals, groups and parties that willingly take advantage of that geopolitical chess for their own ends.
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Yes. Agreed. And i think Hedges would basically agree
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.wvParticipantWell, my own interpretation of Hedge’s words (and dore)is simply that the fact that Trump is a monster is a ‘given.’ He doesnt go on and on about it for the same reason i dont. There’s two reasons really, (1) Its just a given. Its obvious. Yes, yes, yes, he’s a monster. But its obvious and a given and understood. Among Leftists. Hedges is a Leftist, Anti-Capitalist. (2) Going on about Trump can be misunderstood as support for the Dems, the Capitalist-Libs, the DNC, etc.
For example, Hedges said flat out, Trump should/could have been impeached within the first six months of his term, for all kinds of reasons. I mean, thats hardly ‘carry water for trump.’ He said he should/could have been impeached LONG AGO. He didnt go on about it though. No need. Its a given. Understood. Trump is a monster. (But then so is the CIA. One monster fighting the other, at times.)
I, personally, moi, just dont see much difference between what you think and what Hedges/Dore thinks. The only difference i see is the Russia thing. You think the interference was “significant” and Hedges/Dore/Noam/wv thinks it was minor and “relatively insignificant” (especially compared with the US interference all over the world.)
So, we just interpret Hedges differently.
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vwvParticipantBolivia November 13, 2019
Top Bolivian coup plotters trained by US military’s School of the Americas, served as attachés in FBI police programsCommanders of Bolivia’s military and police helped plot the coup and guaranteed its success. Before they were educated for insurrection through the US military’s notorious School of the Americas and FBI training programs.
By Jeb SpragueThe United States played a key role in the military coup in Bolivia, and in a direct way that has scarcely been acknowledged in accounts of the events that forced the country’s elected president, Evo Morales, to resign on November 10.
Just prior to Morales’ resignation, the commander of Bolivia’s armed forces Williams Kaliman “suggested” that the president step down. A day earlier, sectors of the country’s police force had rebelled.
Though Kaliman appears to have feigned loyalty to Morales over the years, his true colors showed as soon as the moment of opportunity arrived. He was not only an actor in the coup, he had his own history in Washington, where he had briefly served as the military attaché of Bolivia’s embassy in the US capital.
Kaliman sat at the top of a military and police command structure that has been substantially cultivated by the US through WHINSEC, the military training school in Fort Benning, Georgia known in the past as the School of the Americas. Kaliman himself attended a course called “Comando y Estado Mayor” at the SOA in 2003.
At least six of the key coup plotters are alumni of the infamous School of the Americas, while Kaliman and another figure served in the past as Bolivia’s military and police attachés in Washington….see link…
wvParticipantOf the above list my favs are…
Tetrapod Zoology
The Skeptics Guide to the Universe
Monster Talk
You’re Wrong About
Stuff You Should Know
You Must Remember This
This Podcast Will Kill YouYou Must Remember This did a 5 or 6 part series on The Manson Murders. You might ask why would a podcast about Hollywood do a docu-series on Charles Manson and his family? Well, it’s because of the connection to Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski. I’ve always been fascinated by the Manson family and I have to say that docu-series is the best on the subject that I’ve ever seen or heard.
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I bought this book. I had zero interest in the Manson case, but this intrigued me. I know the title makes it look all ‘over-the-top’ and stupid, but I think it might be good. I dunno. (there are suggestions Manson might have had weird connections to CIA experiments, btw. And yes, i know how ridiculous that sounds.)
November 14, 2019 at 11:14 am in reply to: Hammond and Bonsignore analyze the embarrassing loss – Podcast #108107wvParticipantbtw, At about the 26 min mark, Vinny sez whitworth (and Havenstein) regressed this year. He dont think the problem is just the young guys.
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vHe says both OTs regressed (and that Hav may not be 100% and was dealing with an injury). I agree that that is huge. How do you think this OL would have looked if from game 1 on, the 2 OTs were playing at their first-half-of-2018 level? I assume it would have been playing pretty well. I doubt we would be hearing this idea that 2 new young starters made the OL play out of sync.
For all the talk saying the young guys are bad, I kept wanting to say…but the ones who really let the offense down were the 2 experienced vets.
I hope the Rams don’t leap to the wrong conclusions in line-building and like many fans blame everything on the new starters. IMO that’s not a balanced or realistic analysis, and it also flies in the face of how good OLs are actually built throughout the NFL.
For example VB and RH talked about how the Vikings turned their OL around this year, which was absolutely miserable as a unit last year. A lot of it was just young guys developing.
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Well, I dont follow things closely enough, and I dont have enuff intel to know what ‘exactly’ went wrong with the OLine. I assume its a combo of age, injuries, youth, and possibly a bad personnel decision or two. But i really
cant say what the percentages are on those factors. I’m sure it will be hashed and rehashed all year long. Lots of questions.You ‘seem’ to be saying none of the personnel decisions were blame-worthy. Yes? No? You seem to be saying they picked the right guys, but they were just young and inexperienced, and the older guys started showing some injuries/age.
I have no idea.
I just know, its not fixable this year, and the offense is going to be lame now, and the media is going to mock McVay.
The good thing, is, there are a lot of good-to-great UNITS on this team. WRS-very good. TEs-good. QB-good-enough. Defense-very-good. Special-teams-very-good.
They have a lot to work with.
I still trust them to build a good OLine next year. It can be done in one
year. If they dont do that next year, then I’m gonna start doubting them.w
vwvParticipant“Bobby Evans and his 3 career NFL snaps will start at RT on Sunday night…
…against Khalil Mack”
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vwvParticipantHedges….
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Well, as you know, we disagree on ‘Interpreting Hedges Words’.
Weirdly, I see
Hedges as basically, essentially, saying the same stuff you are saying, and I am saying. I ‘think’ we are saying the same stuff, but ’emphasizing’ different parts of the situation. I think Hedges (and wv) emphasize the
dark-side of the Dems/CIA/Deep-state and you are emphasizing the abyss that is Trump and the Reps.I just see it as a difference in emphasis. Just my take on it.
Not saying there aint disagreement — there is — but MAINLY, what i see is a difference in emphasis.
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vwvParticipantThose look good. I’ll have to check some of them out.
I cant say I listen to any podcasts on a regular basis. Sometimes I watch a little Rogan, but only cuz I’m interested in MMA stuff.
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vwvParticipantHorse-race talk:
wvParticipantDamn. Another topnotch DLine. Sigh.
This is why i like running quarterbacks.
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vNovember 13, 2019 at 10:19 am in reply to: Hammond and Bonsignore analyze the embarrassing loss – Podcast #108079wvParticipantbtw, At about the 26 min mark, Vinny sez whitworth (and Havenstein) regressed this year. He dont think the problem is just the young guys.
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vNovember 13, 2019 at 10:08 am in reply to: Hammond and Bonsignore analyze the embarrassing loss – Podcast #108078wvParticipantI like Vinny. Too bad he’s leavin.
Anyway, they said what we’ve all said — Gurley. OLine.
Its unfixable this year.
Gurley is unfixable, period. And thats big. He was special. Now, thats gone.
I mean its like tryin to replace Faulk. Good luck.w
vwvParticipantTom Dempsey in overtime
wvParticipantI tend to think of “wisdom” as being one part Knowledge and one part Compassion. Gotta have both, or it aint wisdom.
Critical-thinking/learning/science plus powerful ‘caring/empathy’ for the Biosphere (not just human-life, but all life)So where would those two prongs (Knowledge and Caring) lead?
Well it seems to me they would lead…left. I dont know where else they could lead.
At any rate, the most useful-and-simple model of ‘caring/knowledge’ that I know of is “Intersectional Politics” — race,class,gender. Or what should probly be called “solidarity politics.”
Enviro-Race-Class-Gender would probly be the four pillars.
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“Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a great ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.
I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy – ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness–that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what–at last–I have found.With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.
Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.
This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.”
B.RussellwvParticipantWas out of town. Just saw the highlights.
Talked to a longtime steeler fan and he said thats the best the steeler D has looked in years. Ah well.
Nothing new in this game. Same story. Gurley + Oline.
Bear game should be interesting. Should be about 4 to 3. Not sure who will have the 4.
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vwvParticipantJust some fun stuff from fox on ABC:
wvParticipantThat was the “Cappaletti can run in the mud” game. I remember that one.
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Yeah, not too many Running Backs can say they went over a hundred yards against the Steel Curtain.
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vwvParticipantI think I posted some stuff on Gowans back when he wrote his book on Syria. At any rate, yeah, i dont like his ‘personalizing’ of the Chomsky thing, but i just kinda bypassed that. Factored it out. Didnt care about it. What interests me is the Kurd situation, as a…situation. I mean, what the hell would the right policy be? What would a good policy look like, given the historical-mess ? I dunno.
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wvParticipantwvParticipantYeah, I’m sure Dore will cover that one. He doesnt have anything up yet.
He did cover it last time Tulsi was on the View:
wvParticipantWell, yeah, youre right, despite Dana Whites reverence, Donald was booed at the fight. I was thinking it was way more mixed, but yer right. Interesting.
wvParticipantThe tv-sports-networks already haf to be salivating at the thought of hiring him, down the road.
He’s gonna be such a mega-star.
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vwvParticipantLooks like LA is a 3.5 point favorite against Pitt, If im readin this right.
betting:https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/wvParticipantI watched the second video, but not the first one..
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Well, i like the first Vid because it reflects the genuine-ness of the affection folks have for Trump. There’s almost a…reverence. At least in this particular bloc of Trump’s base.
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